Abolish the Grand Jury

[SwimExpert]

If the grand jury wasn't making the determination of sufficiency of evidence it would be made by a single judge.

Like I said the system must be reformed.

Without OBJECTIVE laws corruption and injustice will continue.

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I know I am jumping in maybe with the wrong comment, but this ain't about law, it's pure hate and politics, Obama is a race baiting ass with the newspapers and television on his sude

This thread is about an institution created for a free country - which is no longer effective in the continuing criminal enterprise known as the --police state - the United States of America.

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Your entire premise rests on the fact that Grand Juries end up indicting. You don't even bother to consider that deterrence to frivolous charges happens before a case is brought before a Grand Jury.

Because that is a rather unlikely supposition tbh. I don't believe that is actually the case. Rather, the high rate of 'success' for the prosecutor is likely due to the fact that they control the entire proceedings. The prosecutor can essentially rig the outcome.

Why is it unlikely? Common sense tells us that a reasonable person is not going to be inclined to waste their time with an effort that does not have a good chance of success. On the other hand, the idea that prosecutors "rig" Grand Juries is essentially a conspiracy theory, and one that Occam's Razor demands we reject.

 

[Contumacious]

Grand juries are always questioned when their decision does not go one way or the other. Still, having a group of citizens standing between the individual and the POWER of the government is a very good thing.

My criticism is GENERAL .

 

[sealybobo]

Shocking Revelations from the Rosenberg Grand Jury Files
By Roger Roots

November 18, 2009


The grand jury is an ancient common law institution whose original purpose was to protect people from the prosecutorial power of the government. Under the Fifth Amendment, the Constitution's Framers intended that no criminal charges could ever be initiated by the government alone. A citizen panel of 23 people (more or less) was supposed to act as an obstacle to prosecutors and ensure that any prosecution be preapproved by common people. Yet today most commentators agree that the government can get any grand jury to "indict a ham sandwich." Federal "indictment rates" greater than 99 percent have been reported in some years. In 2001, federal grand juries declined to indict in only 21 cases nationwide. "These numbers suggest that, whatever the reason, the federal grand jury now exercises very little power as a shield between the government and its citizens."

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So back in the day the Grand Jurors were FREEMEN who tended to question authority. Now grand jurors and spineless sheeple who do not know their ass from a hole in the ground.

They see their job as merely rubber stamping whatever the Grand Prosecutor wants to do.



Americans are stupid

Jonathan Gruber

Gruber was talking about Dems in Congress you know.

Let's just get rid of courts, let CNN and MSNBC try all cases.

The purpose of a grand juror was to determine if freeman should stand trial because the facts AND the law were valid.

Grand Jurors nowadays are brainwashed zombies who believe that their duty is to please the prosecutor . 99.9 % of them never heard of the Constitution.


99.9%


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Got that link?

Special Counsel Robert Mueller Reportedly Assembles Grand Jury, Ramping Up Russia Probe | HuffPost

 

[Papageorgio]

Shocking Revelations from the Rosenberg Grand Jury Files
By Roger Roots

November 18, 2009


The grand jury is an ancient common law institution whose original purpose was to protect people from the prosecutorial power of the government. Under the Fifth Amendment, the Constitution's Framers intended that no criminal charges could ever be initiated by the government alone. A citizen panel of 23 people (more or less) was supposed to act as an obstacle to prosecutors and ensure that any prosecution be preapproved by common people. Yet today most commentators agree that the government can get any grand jury to "indict a ham sandwich." Federal "indictment rates" greater than 99 percent have been reported in some years. In 2001, federal grand juries declined to indict in only 21 cases nationwide. "These numbers suggest that, whatever the reason, the federal grand jury now exercises very little power as a shield between the government and its citizens."

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So back in the day the Grand Jurors were FREEMEN who tended to question authority. Now grand jurors and spineless sheeple who do not know their ass from a hole in the ground.

They see their job as merely rubber stamping whatever the Grand Prosecutor wants to do.



Americans are stupid

Jonathan Gruber

Gruber was talking about Dems in Congress you know.

Let's just get rid of courts, let CNN and MSNBC try all cases.

The purpose of a grand juror was to determine if freeman should stand trial because the facts AND the law were valid.

Grand Jurors nowadays are brainwashed zombies who believe that their duty is to please the prosecutor . 99.9 % of them never heard of the Constitution.


99.9%


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Got that link?

Special Counsel Robert Mueller Reportedly Assembles Grand Jury, Ramping Up Russia Probe | HuffPost

Almost three years later and your response has nothing to do with what I was asking for.