Abortion and Dred Scott

[Skull]

SCOTUS reasons then and recently not wildly different:

Oh, the Humanity! by Greg Koukl - Salvo Magazine

"A civil war and 100 years of oppression stood between the slave as property and the slave as human being. Today, the dream of "Black America” has come true, by and large. Slavery is a thing of the past, and black individuals have been for the most part integrated into the mainstream of American life. In a climate of civil rights and civil liberties, the question "Are black people human beings?” sounds so bizarre it's almost comical. Who could ask such a thing today?

The question, however, is still being asked, this time with a twist: Is an unborn baby a human being? So far, our answer as a nation has been the same as that in Dred Scott. No, the Supreme Court has ruled; the child is the property of the woman who carries it. A woman has the right to do whatever she wants with her own property. Abortion is a private, individual decision that cannot be denied by others. Every person has a right to choose."

 

[miketx]

Lol, more leftist bullshit.

 

[Care4all]

The colonists forced or pushed their black slave women to have more babies so the slave owners could increase their property....and have another slave in their property ownership to work, beat, or sell to another white man.

Black slave women began aborting their children so the slave owners would not own another child of theirs for a lifetime, to torture or sell.

 

[Skull]

Black slave women began aborting their children so the slave owners would not own another child of theirs for a lifetime, to torture or sell.

What percentage aborted? Give a source.

 

[Coyote]

SCOTUS reasons then and recently not wildly different:

Oh, the Humanity! by Greg Koukl - Salvo Magazine

"A civil war and 100 years of oppression stood between the slave as property and the slave as human being. Today, the dream of "Black America” has come true, by and large. Slavery is a thing of the past, and black individuals have been for the most part integrated into the mainstream of American life. In a climate of civil rights and civil liberties, the question "Are black people human beings?” sounds so bizarre it's almost comical. Who could ask such a thing today?

The question, however, is still being asked, this time with a twist: Is an unborn baby a human being? So far, our answer as a nation has been the same as that in Dred Scott. No, the Supreme Court has ruled; the child is the property of the woman who carries it. A woman has the right to do whatever she wants with her own property. Abortion is a private, individual decision that cannot be denied by others. Every person has a right to choose."

Some differences.

The Supreme Court has upheld the rights of states to restrict abortions.

Slavery involved only one person’s fundamental rights, that of the slave.

Abortion involves two sets of rights and the question of whether rights, always granted at birth, apply prior to birth.

Like slavery, does a pregnant woman lose rights to the integrity of her own body? Like slavery?

What the Fugitive Slave Law Can Teach Us About Anti-Abortion Legislation

As the Fugitive Slave Act was motivated by an inhuman racism, so are these new laws mandating forced pregnancy defined by hideous misogyny.

historynewsnetwork.org

History might not repeat exactly, but there are certain themes that can be detected throughout, and there’s something clarifying in identifying those correspondences. Slavery was, among other things, an issue of violating bodily autonomy; of the state enabling one section of the population to declare to another “You do not have sovereign right over your own body – I do.”

 

[miketx]

does a pregnant woman lose rights to the integrity of her own body?

Dont care about the rights of the baby you murder, do you? And comparing it to slavery is a new low for leftist vermin. You go girl!

 

[Coyote]

Dont care about the rights of the baby you murder, do you? And comparing it to slavery is a new low for leftist vermin. You go girl!

Clearly you don’t read what I write, or it just flies over your head.
Who owns your body?

 

[Uncensored2008]

SCOTUS reasons then and recently not wildly different:

Oh, the Humanity! by Greg Koukl - Salvo Magazine

"A civil war and 100 years of oppression stood between the slave as property and the slave as human being. Today, the dream of "Black America” has come true, by and large. Slavery is a thing of the past, and black individuals have been for the most part integrated into the mainstream of American life. In a climate of civil rights and civil liberties, the question "Are black people human beings?” sounds so bizarre it's almost comical. Who could ask such a thing today?

The question, however, is still being asked, this time with a twist: Is an unborn baby a human being? So far, our answer as a nation has been the same as that in Dred Scott. No, the Supreme Court has ruled; the child is the property of the woman who carries it. A woman has the right to do whatever she wants with her own property. Abortion is a private, individual decision that cannot be denied by others. Every person has a right to choose."

So you support the Dred Scott decision.

No surprise.

democrats, democrats never change.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Clearly you don’t read what I write, or it just flies over your head.
Who owns your body?

If you pull your own arms and legs off, no one will object.

You seek to do that to others. Do you OWN the body of your child? The OP is right, this has a lot of overtones to Dred Scott - and the democrats are again denying humanity to your intended victims.

 

[miketx]

Clearly you don’t read what I write, or it just flies over your head.
Who owns your body?

Why don't you care about the bodies of the babies you want to kill?

 

[surada]

What percentage aborted? Give a source.

Frequently. There was no birth control.

 

[Care4all]

What percentage aborted? Give a source.

I heard it in a discussion panel with historians and intellectuals on one of those 24/7 cable news networks last night....either CNN or msnbc....

Black women take seriously their right to make their own reproductive decisions, and being forced or mandated to carry a child to term by some group of primarily white folk, is not appreciated.

At least that was the impression I got from the panel of primarily black women intellectuals.

 

[Rye Catcher]

SCOTUS reasons then and recently not wildly different:

Oh, the Humanity! by Greg Koukl - Salvo Magazine

"A civil war and 100 years of oppression stood between the slave as property and the slave as human being. Today, the dream of "Black America” has come true, by and large. Slavery is a thing of the past, and black individuals have been for the most part integrated into the mainstream of American life. In a climate of civil rights and civil liberties, the question "Are black people human beings?” sounds so bizarre it's almost comical. Who could ask such a thing today?

The question, however, is still being asked, this time with a twist: Is an unborn baby a human being? So far, our answer as a nation has been the same as that in Dred Scott. No, the Supreme Court has ruled; the child is the property of the woman who carries it. A woman has the right to do whatever she wants with her own property. Abortion is a private, individual decision that cannot be denied by others. Every person has a right to choose."

A wonderful example of sophistry.

SOPHISTRY: Defined as, the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving.

 

[Coyote]

If you pull your own arms and legs off, no one will object.

You seek to do that to others. Do you OWN the body of your child? The OP is right, this has a lot of overtones to Dred Scott - and the democrats are again denying humanity to your intended victims.

Is your logic then, that a fetus has a right to my body if it needs it to live?

 

[BackAgain]

SCOTUS reasons then and recently not wildly different:

Oh, the Humanity! by Greg Koukl - Salvo Magazine

"A civil war and 100 years of oppression stood between the slave as property and the slave as human being. Today, the dream of "Black America” has come true, by and large. Slavery is a thing of the past, and black individuals have been for the most part integrated into the mainstream of American life. In a climate of civil rights and civil liberties, the question "Are black people human beings?” sounds so bizarre it's almost comical. Who could ask such a thing today?

The question, however, is still being asked, this time with a twist: Is an unborn baby a human being? So far, our answer as a nation has been the same as that in Dred Scott. No, the Supreme Court has ruled; the child is the property of the woman who carries it. A woman has the right to do whatever she wants with her own property. Abortion is a private, individual decision that cannot be denied by others. Every person has a right to choose."

Abortion kills. So no. It isn’t just a private choice. And denying anyone the right to snuff out a human life is a perfectly valid and rational decision society can make — and should. Every person first has a right to be alive.

 

[toobfreak]

Abortion involves two sets of rights and the question of whether rights, always granted at birth, apply prior to birth.

I guess the question is how does the right to life only apply after you are born when a fetus is alive in the womb and birth is an arbitrary date: many preemies are born MONTHS before their expected date yet once born, magically transition from mere fetus to living person just because they were born early.

Like slavery, does a pregnant woman lose rights to the integrity of her own body?

How does giving birth or having an abortion affect the "integrity" of one's body since the baby is wholly separate from and self-contained from the woman's body?

Slavery was, among other things, an issue of violating bodily autonomy; of the state enabling one section of the population to declare to another “You do not have sovereign right over your own body – I do.”

If true then we are all slaves to the government anyway, made so by the Covid vaccines.

 

[meaner gene]

You seek to do that to others. Do you OWN the body of your child? The OP is right, this has a lot of overtones to Dred Scott - and the democrats are again denying humanity to your intended victims.

Remember, Dred Scott said that blacks had no rights specified in the constitution, just like the Alito draft says that the constitution has no right to privacy specified in it.

If the constitution didn't grant any rights to an adult black male, saying that they are a persons property, and that grants them complete carte blanche over their life and liberty.

 

[meaner gene]

Is your logic then, that a fetus has a right to my body if it needs it to live?

Ironically republicans don't believe the fetus (and later child) has a right to your TAXES if it needs to live.

It's pure hypocrisy.

 

[meaner gene]

Abortion kills. So no. It isn’t just a private choice.

Slavery kills. And that was codified into the constitution.

 

[meaner gene]

Every person first has a right to be alive.

Dred Scott said that adult blacks weren't a "person".
So how could a fetus be a "person"