Abortion and the 14th Amendment - Just Who are Persons?

[protectionist]

Fucking dumbass liberal trying to redefine the English language. ^^^

AGAIN.

They do it 24/7.

The strange part is expecting us normal people to go along with it.

 

[Curried Goats]

Other than rape cases, women who have persons gestating inside of them, DO give consent. They gave it when they f-cked.

No they didn't. The consented to sex not to pregnancy. If they consented to pregnancy you wouldn't need the force of law to compel them into maintaining one.

 

[Curried Goats]

Maybe you missed a couple of biology classes. Consenting to intercourse, IS consenting to pregnancy. It's a package deal. Back to the 9th grade for you.

No it's not. Biology and nature doesn't care if a woman aborts her baby, you do.

 

[tshrimp]

Maybe you missed a couple of biology classes. Consenting to intercourse, IS consenting to pregnancy. It's a package deal. Back to the 9th grade for you.

Yep. I am 100% pro-choice. The women can CHOOSE to have sex or not. Once a 3rd party enters the mix their is another person involved that has the right not to be killed.

 

[tshrimp]

Fucking dumbass liberal trying to redefine the English language. ^^^

AGAIN.

Drives me nuts. They like to redefine everything these days. I am glad I have old school dictionaries to show my kids what the real meaning of words are.

 

[tshrimp]

No it's not. Biology and nature doesn't care if a woman aborts her baby, you do.

Biology definitely does as you are ending a life.

biology

bī-ŏl′ə-jē

noun​

1. The science of life and of living organisms, including their structure, function, growth...

 

[protectionist]

Yep. I am 100% pro-choice. The women can CHOOSE to have sex or not. Once a 3rd party enters the mix their is another person involved that has the right not to be killed.

This is why the term "pro-choice" is a FALLACY. The fetus does not have a "choice".

 

[tshrimp]

No they didn't. The consented to sex not to pregnancy. If they consented to pregnancy you wouldn't need the force of law to compel them into maintaining one.

You run off a cliff in your car, you consented to the result that comes with it. We all are responsible for our actions and have to pay the price. The price of one persons mistake should not negate the life of the one that took up 9 months of residency in this irresponsible person.

 

[protectionist]

No it's not. Biology and nature doesn't care if a woman aborts her baby, you do.

Yes it is, Mr DODGE. Back to the 8th grade for you. This time pay attention.

Bad enough you flunked twice here. Don't try to make it 3.

 

[there4eyeM]

Corporations are legal persons. Human beings present in the world are natural or physical persons. Such persons have rights and responsibilities. Unborn entities do not fit that description. Those determined to control women will be unaffected by this information. Do they fear the wrath of their deity if they permit women to decide whether or not to carry to term? Do they not trust their deity to reserve judgement to the women involved without extending it to everyone else? Do they really think abortion is murder? Are they out stopping murders they 'know' are being committed?

 

[there4eyeM]

Collective guilt should extend to paying for bombs that kill the innocent.

 

[Moonglow]

Fucking dumbass liberal trying to redefine the English language. ^^^

AGAIN.

Sorry you hate how humans have functioned for thousands of years, I doubt you change anything.

 

[Moonglow]

Exactly WRONG.

Personhood is defined in the Constitution.

Link

 

[Oddball]

Surprisingly, discussions about abortion and the 14th Amendment may have a common thread: Just who are "persons"for the purpose of applying their provisions? According to current (mis)interpretation of the 14th Amendment, U.S. Congressional districts are apportioned according to the number of persons, rather than citizens, living in each district. (This means that the actual numbers of legal voters can vary widely between districts, thereby creating additional opportunities for gerrymandering.)

Similarly, discussions about abortion often involve the issue of when a fetus becomes a "person" with legal rights. This distinction seems analogous to that between illegal aliens and citizens in the U.S. Although these aliens and fetuses are "undocumented," there is no question of their existence and residence in this country. The only thing standing between them and full legal recognition is the necessary paperwork; either a "green card" or a U.S. birth certificate.

However, this analogy fails when it comes to government benefits. While illegal aliens are entitled to food, shelter and medical care, many fetuses are deprived of the same. Why is that? Aren't they both persons?

If corporations and trusts are 14th Amendment "persons" why not a fetus?

 

[Moonglow]

If corporations and trusts are 14th Amendment "persons" why not a fetus?

Why, because the govt. has never done as such

 

[Curried Goats]

Yes it is, Mr DODGE. Back to the 8th grade for you. This time pay attention.

Bad enough you flunked twice here. Don't try to make it 3.

Not a dodge dipshit. It's just a fact. Biology and nature are perfectly fine with abortions. In fact abortions happen naturally all the time. It's you that has a problem with abortion, not nature.

 

[Blues Man]

Surprisingly, discussions about abortion and the 14th Amendment may have a common thread: Just who are "persons"for the purpose of applying their provisions? According to current (mis)interpretation of the 14th Amendment, U.S. Congressional districts are apportioned according to the number of persons, rather than citizens, living in each district. (This means that the actual numbers of legal voters can vary widely between districts, thereby creating additional opportunities for gerrymandering.)

Similarly, discussions about abortion often involve the issue of when a fetus becomes a "person" with legal rights. This distinction seems analogous to that between illegal aliens and citizens in the U.S. Although these aliens and fetuses are "undocumented," there is no question of their existence and residence in this country. The only thing standing between them and full legal recognition is the necessary paperwork; either a "green card" or a U.S. birth certificate.

However, this analogy fails when it comes to government benefits. While illegal aliens are entitled to food, shelter and medical care, many fetuses are deprived of the same. Why is that? Aren't they both persons?

1 U.S. Code § 8 - “Person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual” as including born-alive infant

www.law.cornell.edu

(a)
In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the words “person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual”, shall include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.
(b)
As used in this section, the term “born alive”, with respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the complete expulsion or extraction from his or her mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut, and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion.

 

[candycorn]

Shouldn't pregnant women be counted at least twice in the census then? Every pregnant black, white, Latina, Asian, etc... woman gets counted twice (at least).

White women are out-numbered like 6 to 1. Should be fun.

 

[sartre play]

Men & anti abortion, why those who can never give birth know the plus or minus of birth have the risk/ danger of birth be the ones to decide?

 

[protectionist]

Not a dodge dipshit. It's just a fact. Biology and nature are perfectly fine with abortions. In fact abortions happen naturally all the time. It's you that has a problem with abortion, not nature.

Of course I have problem with abortion, which is as UNNATURAL as anything could ever be. Biology and nature are pregnancy and birth. Abortion is the contradiction of the nature, and it is murder.

Those, like you who condone it, are nothing more than filthy murderers, who ought to be arrested and executed in a way that is at least as painful and trumatic as the abortion you insanely condone.