America has a 54% reduction in it murder rate since 1992

[bigrebnc1775]

I was right no one wants to talk about it.

Easy answers:

The left wont talk about it because they want gun control, and this shows our country is seeing fewer murders of it's citizens (interestingly, though, murders of cops has risen)
The right wont talk about it because it suggests that the cops.......er, I mean, fat, bloated, greedy, worthless government workers.....are doing a damn good job.

Cops in America are "in the fight" against crime. Thats 50% of the reason murder rates are down overall, but the murder rate of cops on-duty is up. They are taking it to the criminal element.



NOW....a question for BigReb: How many of your guns have you literally had sex with? Just be honest. I know at least your .50 cal and .45's. I bet it even fits into the .22's.

You started off less than trollish, but you came through like a troll champ.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The link in your post 93 goes to the same first link in my post 94.

Your link: Rise in gang membership prompting police, lawmakers to take action ? Portland ? Bangor Daily News ? BDN Maine

The size of the problem

Lt. Rogers of the Portland Police Department said that despite the formation of the southern Maine task force and introduction of Volk’s bill, it’s important to remember “we’re not being overrun [by gangs] by any stretch of the imagination.”

“Street gangs are always associated with big, major cities, and Portland certainly doesn’t have a problem like they do in bigger cities,” Rogers said. “Portland is a smaller city.”

Capt. Don Goulet of the Cumberland County Sheriff’s Office said his organization has arrested people who turned out to be members of out-of-state gangs, but those arrests or summonses have typically been for nongang-related crimes such as traffic violations.

“We know that they exist, and we know that they’re out there,” Goulet said, “but when we’re dealing with the members, it’s not as a result of actual [gang] activity going on.”

Alonso said if violent gangs are increasing their presence in Maine, the state’s violent crime numbers should be increasing as well. He noted that Maine’s violent crime statistics for 2010 are about even with the figures from the mid-1990s. The 1,621 violent crimes reported in the state in 2010 are up slightly from numbers in recent years, but are down from 1995’s figure of 1,631, recorded at a time when there was no such gang concern.

“I don’t think there are groups of gang members in New York or D.C. or Florida saying, ‘Let’s move up to Maine,’ but that’s the narrative law enforcement is using to describe gang activity to smaller communities,” Alonso said. “They’re trying to say these small communities are being infiltrated by big city gangs. But if you have a town where crime is actually staying even or going down, you’ve really got to scratch your head. Why do we need all these extra resources?”

The FBI nonetheless is arguing aggressive action is necessary before those gang members being picked up for traffic violations build networks in the state, or join with others just getting established here.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The link in your post 93 goes to the same first link in my post 94.

Your link: Rise in gang membership prompting police, lawmakers to take action ? Portland ? Bangor Daily News ? BDN Maine

The size of the problem

Lt. Rogers of the Portland Police Department said that despite the formation of the southern Maine task force and introduction of Volk’s bill, it’s important to remember “we’re not being overrun [by gangs] by any stretch of the imagination.”

“Street gangs are always associated with big, major cities, and Portland certainly doesn’t have a problem like they do in bigger cities,” Rogers said. “Portland is a smaller city.”

Capt. Don Goulet of the Cumberland County Sheriff’s Office said his organization has arrested people who turned out to be members of out-of-state gangs, but those arrests or summonses have typically been for nongang-related crimes such as traffic violations.

“We know that they exist, and we know that they’re out there,” Goulet said, “but when we’re dealing with the members, it’s not as a result of actual [gang] activity going on.”

Alonso said if violent gangs are increasing their presence in Maine, the state’s violent crime numbers should be increasing as well. He noted that Maine’s violent crime statistics for 2010 are about even with the figures from the mid-1990s. The 1,621 violent crimes reported in the state in 2010 are up slightly from numbers in recent years, but are down from 1995’s figure of 1,631, recorded at a time when there was no such gang concern.

“I don’t think there are groups of gang members in New York or D.C. or Florida saying, ‘Let’s move up to Maine,’ but that’s the narrative law enforcement is using to describe gang activity to smaller communities,” Alonso said. “They’re trying to say these small communities are being infiltrated by big city gangs. But if you have a town where crime is actually staying even or going down, you’ve really got to scratch your head. Why do we need all these extra resources?”

The FBI nonetheless is arguing aggressive action is necessary before those gang members being picked up for traffic violations build networks in the state, or join with others just getting established here.

There is no link that you are posting that is in my link
So jake you're using 2010 stats ? the same as right winger did?

 

[rightwinger]

Notice how the US and Switzerland have the highest rates of gun ownership. The price you pay for a second amendment

 

[eflatminor]

Really......name an industrialized country with a higher murder rate

Now it's "industrialized"? Way to move the goalpost. Sorry, but the fact remains we don't make the top 100. You want to fiddle with how a "country" is defined, feel free.

Let's start with we are the wealthiest nation on earth we should not settle for the standards of Somalia or Nigeria

And we don't. Those two countries have among the highest murder rates in the world. We're not even close.

The rest of the world mocks us

Bet the 100 or so nations with higher murder rates and a disarmed public don't.

 

[eflatminor]

Notice how the US and Switzerland have the highest rates of gun ownership. The price you pay for a second amendment

Geez, back in Post #88, you said "Murder rate is murder rate. Dead is still dead". Now you it's just "gun" deaths...and you include suicide! What happened to MURDER RATE, which need not be restricted to guns and does not include suicide???

Point being, when someone in advanced countries like the US and Switzerland chooses to kill another, they tend to do so with a firearm. So what? That doesn't change the fact that murder rates are much higher in countries with no civilian gun ownership.

Fail.

 

[eflatminor]

It is offensive for gun nuts to claim that guns are the reason for the drop in our murder rate

65% of our murders are done by guns.

So what do you think is the reason?

It's clearly not a reduction in the number of firearms. It's clearly not due to gun control, what with the expiration of the AWB and the explosion of conceal carry permits across the country. It's couldn't be due to a booming economy, which has been good and bad since 1992.

So...what?

Do we have more cops on the streets? Have we implemented longer sentencing for violent criminals? These are the questions I would look into to, but I'm interested in your take.

Nothing? You got nothing? Okay then.

Still nothing...

 

[rightwinger]

Notice how the US and Switzerland have the highest rates of gun ownership. The price you pay for a second amendment

Geez, back in Post #88, you said "Murder rate is murder rate. Dead is still dead". Now you it's just "gun" deaths...and you include suicide! What happened to MURDER RATE, which need not be restricted to guns and does not include suicide???

Point being, when someone in advanced countries like the US and Switzerland chooses to kill another, they tend to do so with a firearm. So what? That doesn't change the fact that murder rates are much higher in countries with no civilian gun ownership.

Fail.

I also said 65% of our murders are from guns....dead is dead

Notice all those civilized countries below us on the list? They have more restrictions on gun ownership and about a third of our murder rate

 

[eflatminor]

Notice how the US and Switzerland have the highest rates of gun ownership. The price you pay for a second amendment

Geez, back in Post #88, you said "Murder rate is murder rate. Dead is still dead". Now you it's just "gun" deaths...and you include suicide! What happened to MURDER RATE, which need not be restricted to guns and does not include suicide???

Point being, when someone in advanced countries like the US and Switzerland chooses to kill another, they tend to do so with a firearm. So what? That doesn't change the fact that murder rates are much higher in countries with no civilian gun ownership.

Fail.

I also said 65% of our murders are from guns....dead is dead

Notice all those civilized countries below us on the list? They have more restrictions on gun ownership and about a third of our murder rate

What you fail to notice is the more than 100 countries with more restrictions on gun ownership that have a MUCH higher murder rate than the US. Why are you selectively editing again?

And if dead is dead, why do you care HOW someone is murdered? After all, murder is murder, right?

 

[rightwinger]

Geez, back in Post #88, you said "Murder rate is murder rate. Dead is still dead". Now you it's just "gun" deaths...and you include suicide! What happened to MURDER RATE, which need not be restricted to guns and does not include suicide???

Point being, when someone in advanced countries like the US and Switzerland chooses to kill another, they tend to do so with a firearm. So what? That doesn't change the fact that murder rates are much higher in countries with no civilian gun ownership.

Fail.

I also said 65% of our murders are from guns....dead is dead

Notice all those civilized countries below us on the list? They have more restrictions on gun ownership and about a third of our murder rate

What you fail to notice is the more than 100 countries with more restrictions on gun ownership that have a MUCH higher murder rate than the US. Why are you selectively editing again?

And if dead is dead, why do you care HOW someone is murdered? After all, murder is murder, right?

Name some of those countries and we can discuss the details

 

[eflatminor]

I also said 65% of our murders are from guns....dead is dead

Notice all those civilized countries below us on the list? They have more restrictions on gun ownership and about a third of our murder rate

What you fail to notice is the more than 100 countries with more restrictions on gun ownership that have a MUCH higher murder rate than the US. Why are you selectively editing again?

And if dead is dead, why do you care HOW someone is murdered? After all, murder is murder, right?

Name some of those countries and we can discuss the details

Why? So you can tell us only your version of what defines a country counts? Pass.

But hey, it's not just murders we're concerned with, right? Violent crime is the problem, be it murder, rape, etc.

In that regard, we have a VERY telling truth: England, despite it's virtually ban on civilian firearm ownership, has a much higher violent crime rate than the US.

We all understand that the truth doesn't fit your agenda.

 

[eflatminor]

So what do you think is the reason?

It's clearly not a reduction in the number of firearms. It's clearly not due to gun control, what with the expiration of the AWB and the explosion of conceal carry permits across the country. It's couldn't be due to a booming economy, which has been good and bad since 1992.

So...what?

Do we have more cops on the streets? Have we implemented longer sentencing for violent criminals? These are the questions I would look into to, but I'm interested in your take.

Nothing? You got nothing? Okay then.

Still nothing...

For a guy that goes on like he's got all the answers, you're conspicuously short on answers.

One more time: Why do YOU think the murder rate in the US has decreased?

 

[rightwinger]

What you fail to notice is the more than 100 countries with more restrictions on gun ownership that have a MUCH higher murder rate than the US. Why are you selectively editing again?

And if dead is dead, why do you care HOW someone is murdered? After all, murder is murder, right?

Name some of those countries and we can discuss the details

Why? So you can tell us only your version of what defines a country counts? Pass.

But hey, it's not just murders we're concerned with, right? Violent crime is the problem, be it murder, rape, etc.

In that regard, we have a VERY telling truth: England, despite it's virtually ban on civilian firearm ownership, has a much higher violent crime rate than the US.

We all understand that the truth doesn't fit your agenda.

Violent crime is not murder is it?

Murder usually requires a weapon and the weapon of choice is a gun. Remove the gun and the murder rate drops

 

[eflatminor]

Name some of those countries and we can discuss the details

Why? So you can tell us only your version of what defines a country counts? Pass.

But hey, it's not just murders we're concerned with, right? Violent crime is the problem, be it murder, rape, etc.

In that regard, we have a VERY telling truth: England, despite it's virtually ban on civilian firearm ownership, has a much higher violent crime rate than the US.

We all understand that the truth doesn't fit your agenda.

Violent crime is not murder is it?

Yea...who cares about rape anyway...

Murder usually requires a weapon and the weapon of choice is a gun.

Which does not result in the murder victim any more dead than if he had been killed with any other type of weapon. Just ask the millions killed by edged weapons in Rwanda.

Remove the gun and the murder rate drops

They removed guns in England and the murder rate increased. Same for Australia.

 

[eflatminor]

Nothing? You got nothing? Okay then.

Still nothing...

For a guy that goes on like he's got all the answers, you're conspicuously short on answers.

One more time: Why do YOU think the murder rate in the US has decreased?

Come on, thrill us with your acumen. Or are unwilling to admit the murder rate has dropped in the US, despite the increase in the number of firearms and increase in the number of conceal carry permits?

 

[rightwinger]

Still nothing...

For a guy that goes on like he's got all the answers, you're conspicuously short on answers.

One more time: Why do YOU think the murder rate in the US has decreased?

Come on, thrill us with your acumen. Or are unwilling to admit the murder rate has dropped in the US, despite the increase in the number of firearms and increase in the number of conceal carry permits?

Are you debating yourself?

 

[eflatminor]

For a guy that goes on like he's got all the answers, you're conspicuously short on answers.

One more time: Why do YOU think the murder rate in the US has decreased?

Come on, thrill us with your acumen. Or are unwilling to admit the murder rate has dropped in the US, despite the increase in the number of firearms and increase in the number of conceal carry permits?

Are you debating yourself?

Will you answer the question or not? It's a simple one: Why do YOU think the murder rate in the US has decreased?

 

[rightwinger]

Come on, thrill us with your acumen. Or are unwilling to admit the murder rate has dropped in the US, despite the increase in the number of firearms and increase in the number of conceal carry permits?

Are you debating yourself?

Will you answer the question or not? It's a simple one: Why do YOU think the murder rate in the US has decreased?

I actually looked it up to see if there is a consensus of opinion.......there isn't

Maybe we are just nicer people who don't resort to violence to resolve conflicts

 

[eflatminor]

Are you debating yourself?

Will you answer the question or not? It's a simple one: Why do YOU think the murder rate in the US has decreased?

I actually looked it up to see if there is a consensus of opinion.......there isn't

Maybe we are just nicer people who don't resort to violence to resolve conflicts

There you go. That wasn't so hard.

So what we know is that despite a massive increase in the number of firearms in the US and an exponential increase in the issuance of conceal carry permits, the murder rate has decreased. We also know that after banning guns in England and Australia, the murder and violent crime rates increased.

So why do you believe that fewer firearms or more regulations in America will further reduce the murder rate?

 

[rightwinger]

Will you answer the question or not? It's a simple one: Why do YOU think the murder rate in the US has decreased?

I actually looked it up to see if there is a consensus of opinion.......there isn't

Maybe we are just nicer people who don't resort to violence to resolve conflicts

There you go. That wasn't so hard.

So what we know is that despite a massive increase in the number of firearms in the US and an exponential increase in the issuance of conceal carry permits, the murder rate has decreased. We also know that after banning guns in England and Australia, the murder and violent crime rates increased.

So why do you believe that fewer firearms or more regulations in America will further reduce the murder rate?

We have 300 million firearms in the US. I think we are saturated

Cat is out of the bag. The guns are there and are not going away