America’s “failure in testing”

[EvilCat Breath]

Testing is something democrats think they can bludgeon with. Other than that, nothing.

 

[CowboyTed]

Trump is getting all of the material needed to where its needed on time. Hospital beds, ventilators, masks, gowns, face masks, staff, etc.
Testing is being developed, tested, and then rolled out simultaneously.
Who moved the 12,000 US factories to China in the last 30-years? It wasn't Trump.
The US can't manufacture items without factories. That's why we're making ventilators in revamped car factories like Ford & Tesla.
Now where can we make the reagents??

Trump is getting all of the material needed to where its needed on time. Hospital beds, ventilators, masks, gowns, face masks, staff, etc.
Proof please... Because we have a lot of Health workers that stated that they don't have it or it came too late. Trump accused them of stealing PPE, where is the evidence... So why is Trump calling Health workers on the ground risking their lives fighting this liars?

Testing is being developed, tested, and then rolled out simultaneously.
Started way behind, when tests were critical US had next to none. True they are catching up but on the list you have countries that have finished the main fight and don't need to test. US needs to test so much because they are late. South Korea and Germany are not even full capacity, Germany actually gave space to Ireland to clear a backlog of tests. US will eventually have more testing per captia than everyone, because the have to.
Tests being developed are the antibody tests, at the moment their is a load of companies submitting tests to be verified. None have passed as of yet but we are hopeful over the next few weeks.

Who moved the 12,000 US factories to China in the last 30-years? It wasn't Trump.
It wasn't Trump fault they went but it was the corporations that did it... The very corporations Trump gave a tax break too... How is the reclaiming of Jobs by Trump back to US going...

Are tariffs against China bringing factories and jobs back to the U.S.?

About 41% of U.S. companies are considering or have relocated manufacturing outside China but fewer than 6% have or are considering relocating to U.S.

eu.usatoday.com

They left China alright and just went to a new country... By the way Hillary told you that would happen and you can continue doing whack a mole all over the South East and all you will have is US Economy suffering because they will have no market there...
Trump gave China the upper hand when he failed to sign TPP..

The US can't manufacture items without factories. That's why we're making ventilators in revamped car factories like Ford & Tesla.
Simply put, US doesn't have the educated workforce and when it does they are too expensive because they have too much debt from college. The US system of private colleges has robbed people of an affordable education unlike competitor countries. By the way a lot of ventilators are made in Europe.
Sidebar: Ventilators are reducing in importance in treating patients (still important). The focus seems to be shifting over to BCG Vaccine and Transfusion of Plasma... Hopefully we get good news o

BCG vaccine being trialled as potential protection against covid-19

A long-standing hypothesis suggests the BCG vaccine also serves to generally enhance the immune system, meaning it could protect against covid-19, and trials are under way to find out

www.newscientist.com

UK to trial coronavirus treatments using blood from survivors

Two clinical trials aim to give transfusions to ailing patients to bolster immune systems

www.theguardian.com

And that being said we should stop bitching at each other for an hour and donate blood.

Now where can we make the reagents??
Bloody good question...

 

[L.K.Eder]

I believe America's "testing failure" is dramatically overblown. America has run 4.32 million. The next closest country is Germany at 2.07 million. Italy is next at 1.51 million. Now let's take a look at testing in terms of percentage of the population:

United States: 1.30%

Germany: 2.45%
South Korea: 1.13%
Canada: 1.51%
United Kingdom: 0.82%
France: 0.71%
Netherlands: 1.00%
Belgium: 1.48%
Sweden: 0.94%
Finland: 1.24%
Norway: 2.74%
Singapore: 1.62%
Italy: 2.50%
Spain: 1.99%

America falls somewhere in the middle among this group of countries, which is an accomplishment considering how many people there are and how physically large the country is. Germany, as an example, is smaller than the state of Montana. It is much easier to test people in a country as dense. I’ve heard people saying the lack of testing is an indictment on our healthcare system, and that narrative is just false.

lol. how is it easier to test people in a dense country?

 

[Rocko]

I believe America's "testing failure" is dramatically overblown. America has run 4.32 million. The next closest country is Germany at 2.07 million. Italy is next at 1.51 million. Now let's take a look at testing in terms of percentage of the population:

United States: 1.30%

Germany: 2.45%
South Korea: 1.13%
Canada: 1.51%
United Kingdom: 0.82%
France: 0.71%
Netherlands: 1.00%
Belgium: 1.48%
Sweden: 0.94%
Finland: 1.24%
Norway: 2.74%
Singapore: 1.62%
Italy: 2.50%
Spain: 1.99%

America falls somewhere in the middle among this group of countries, which is an accomplishment considering how many people there are and how physically large the country is. Germany, as an example, is smaller than the state of Montana. It is much easier to test people in a country as dense. I’ve heard people saying the lack of testing is an indictment on our healthcare system, and that narrative is just false.

lol. how is it easier to test people in a dense country?

I can’t help you if don’t understand common logic

 

[KGB]

Has Trump used the full force of the Defense Production Act yet?

Has Trump invoked the Defense Production Act?

As the coronavirus spreads across the United States, there’s increasing discussion of how to leverage an existing law to

www.politifact.com

You still have to process the tests genius. It’s not like a ventilator where it’s made & that’s it. Trump said something tonight that makes all the sense in the world & outlines the scope. We could test everyone (360,000,000 people), but lot would test false positive or false negative. A lot would test negative now & then positive later. How many times do you want people tested? What’s the turnaround? He’s rightfully pushing testing down to the states because that’s how our federal system works. That’s what makes sense. You look for hotspots & attack those.

In normal times, I would agree with you but these are not normal times. We are in the middle of nationwide epidemic, a national emergency. The federal government has unlimited financial resources. The states do not. States do not have a CDC , a FEMA, FDA, or anything even close. For example, most states have between zero to four epidemiologist. The CDC has nearly 3,000. Essentially the federal government has everything needed to fight a nationwide epidemic and states do not.

Trump is having a political battle with the states over responsibility at a time when thousands of lives are a stake.

We are getting political bullshit from the president when we should be getting leadership. The country is facing what will likely turn out to be the greatest threat since WWII. Donald Trump could mobile American industry to produce hundreds of millions of N95 masks that could protect every American and the threat would vanish in a few of months. He could have enough test to supply every state but he prefers to play the not my responsibility game. In WWII, FDR met with leaders in industry and said, there will be no autos produced, no appliance, no new rubber produces, no radios, etc We will produce guns, tanks, planes, artillery, and whatever our troops need, starting today and we work 7 days 24 hours a day.

Your statements are fundamentally false. Each state has health departments, emergency management departments, health inspectors, etc. That's why health codes are issued by the states themselves. There may be federal guidelines, but states do the licensing. What states lack is perhaps scale, but if they are lacking in capacity, perhaps that question out to be asked of those entities. Why were they so unprepared? State governments waste a ton of money on unnecessary garbage just as much as DC does. What Trump is reminding them is that while he is POTUS, they should be the ones carrying the fight. DC is meant to augment the states.

Your use of WW2 is also false. We know how to build bombs, aircraft, guns for a war. It's a pretty proven commodity with many models available. This virus didn't exist for the most part 8 months ago. Now, you want companies who produce other goods not even remotely close to being medical to start cranking out FDA-approved, scientifically accurate products at the drop of a hat?

But let's just say Trump snapped his fingers & somehow, high quality tests appeared out of the blue for every American. Who is going to process testing for 360 million people? What is the rate on that? How long will it take to get accurate results back? What about false positive/negative results? What about retesting (that alone increases the amount needed exponentially)? I notice you geniuses on the left always avoid these questions.

What we need to do is be smart about this & be practical. You can't test everyone, so you have to prioritize. Hotspots & high priority people (i.e, health care workers, those with symptoms, those who work in critical industries to keep society functioning, etc.) should receive testing & monitored closely. We can & are looking at expanding anti-body testing to see how far the virus has been extended. But as we are finding, a lot of people get this without even knowing it. Or else, they have minor symptoms.

The federal government does not have unlimited resources. It has the ability to spend money to unlimited amounts, but that doesn't mean there won't be a consequence to that action either. Inflation is a very real possibility & it devalues a national economy just as effectively. See Weimar Germany in the late 1920s.

 

[L.K.Eder]

I believe America's "testing failure" is dramatically overblown. America has run 4.32 million. The next closest country is Germany at 2.07 million. Italy is next at 1.51 million. Now let's take a look at testing in terms of percentage of the population:

United States: 1.30%

Germany: 2.45%
South Korea: 1.13%
Canada: 1.51%
United Kingdom: 0.82%
France: 0.71%
Netherlands: 1.00%
Belgium: 1.48%
Sweden: 0.94%
Finland: 1.24%
Norway: 2.74%
Singapore: 1.62%
Italy: 2.50%
Spain: 1.99%

America falls somewhere in the middle among this group of countries, which is an accomplishment considering how many people there are and how physically large the country is. Germany, as an example, is smaller than the state of Montana. It is much easier to test people in a country as dense. I’ve heard people saying the lack of testing is an indictment on our healthcare system, and that narrative is just false.

lol. how is it easier to test people in a dense country?

I can’t help you if don’t understand common logic

common logic, eh. is that like alternative logic?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I believe America's "testing failure" is dramatically overblown. America has run 4.32 million. The next closest country is Germany at 2.07 million. Italy is next at 1.51 million. Now let's take a look at testing in terms of percentage of the population:

United States: 1.30%

Germany: 2.45%
South Korea: 1.13%
Canada: 1.51%
United Kingdom: 0.82%
France: 0.71%
Netherlands: 1.00%
Belgium: 1.48%
Sweden: 0.94%
Finland: 1.24%
Norway: 2.74%
Singapore: 1.62%
Italy: 2.50%
Spain: 1.99%

America falls somewhere in the middle among this group of countries, which is an accomplishment considering how many people there are and how physically large the country is. Germany, as an example, is smaller than the state of Montana. It is much easier to test people in a country as dense. I’ve heard people saying the lack of testing is an indictment on our healthcare system, and that narrative is just false.

Let's take a look at testing as a tool to limit the spread of the virus rather than simply verifying infection in those already sick.
We need 10s of millions of tests monthly.

 

[Rye Catcher]

Has Trump used the full force of the Defense Production Act yet?

Has Trump invoked the Defense Production Act?

As the coronavirus spreads across the United States, there’s increasing discussion of how to leverage an existing law to

www.politifact.com

You still have to process the tests genius. It’s not like a ventilator where it’s made & that’s it. Trump said something tonight that makes all the sense in the world & outlines the scope. We could test everyone (360,000,000 people), but lot would test false positive or false negative. A lot would test negative now & then positive later. How many times do you want people tested? What’s the turnaround? He’s rightfully pushing testing down to the states because that’s how our federal system works. That’s what makes sense. You look for hotspots & attack those.

The idea that no solution exists, is the strength of trump, and you apparently. I don't know any other way to respond to trump's ignorance or his malicious actions. I really wonder how many continue to believe what trump says, he is all about himself, has no background on communicable diseases and his flips and flops do nothing but fester chaos.

You aren't proposing a solution, you are proposing a democrat talking point. Now, answer my questions. How many times do you want people tested? What happens when false positives come out? Or false negatives for that matter? Testing isn't a one & done. I'm not saying don't test at all, but do it smartly. Control outbreaks & manage the virus.

No Democrat made the talking point that testing was the panacea, it is a metric used with tracking the virus and to figure out hot spots. Apparently there is no singular test. Some are better than others, practice (hopefully) will make a more perfect test.

 

[Flopper]

Has Trump used the full force of the Defense Production Act yet?

Has Trump invoked the Defense Production Act?

As the coronavirus spreads across the United States, there’s increasing discussion of how to leverage an existing law to

www.politifact.com

You still have to process the tests genius. It’s not like a ventilator where it’s made & that’s it. Trump said something tonight that makes all the sense in the world & outlines the scope. We could test everyone (360,000,000 people), but lot would test false positive or false negative. A lot would test negative now & then positive later. How many times do you want people tested? What’s the turnaround? He’s rightfully pushing testing down to the states because that’s how our federal system works. That’s what makes sense. You look for hotspots & attack those.

In normal times, I would agree with you but these are not normal times. We are in the middle of nationwide epidemic, a national emergency. The federal government has unlimited financial resources. The states do not. States do not have a CDC , a FEMA, FDA, or anything even close. For example, most states have between zero to four epidemiologist. The CDC has nearly 3,000. Essentially the federal government has everything needed to fight a nationwide epidemic and states do not.

Trump is having a political battle with the states over responsibility at a time when thousands of lives are a stake.

We are getting political bullshit from the president when we should be getting leadership. The country is facing what will likely turn out to be the greatest threat since WWII. Donald Trump could mobile American industry to produce hundreds of millions of N95 masks that could protect every American and the threat would vanish in a few of months. He could have enough test to supply every state but he prefers to play the not my responsibility game. In WWII, FDR met with leaders in industry and said, there will be no autos produced, no appliance, no new rubber produces, no radios, etc We will produce guns, tanks, planes, artillery, and whatever our troops need, starting today and we work 7 days 24 hours a day.

Your statements are fundamentally false. Each state has health departments, emergency management departments, health inspectors, etc. That's why health codes are issued by the states themselves. There may be federal guidelines, but states do the licensing. What states lack is perhaps scale, but if they are lacking in capacity, perhaps that question out to be asked of those entities. Why were they so unprepared? State governments waste a ton of money on unnecessary garbage just as much as DC does. What Trump is reminding them is that while he is POTUS, they should be the ones carrying the fight. DC is meant to augment the states.

Your use of WW2 is also false. We know how to build bombs, aircraft, guns for a war. It's a pretty proven commodity with many models available. This virus didn't exist for the most part 8 months ago. Now, you want companies who produce other goods not even remotely close to being medical to start cranking out FDA-approved, scientifically accurate products at the drop of a hat?

But let's just say Trump snapped his fingers & somehow, high quality tests appeared out of the blue for every American. Who is going to process testing for 360 million people? What is the rate on that? How long will it take to get accurate results back? What about false positive/negative results? What about retesting (that alone increases the amount needed exponentially)? I notice you geniuses on the left always avoid these questions.

What we need to do is be smart about this & be practical. You can't test everyone, so you have to prioritize. Hotspots & high priority people (i.e, health care workers, those with symptoms, those who work in critical industries to keep society functioning, etc.) should receive testing & monitored closely. We can & are looking at expanding anti-body testing to see how far the virus has been extended. But as we are finding, a lot of people get this without even knowing it. Or else, they have minor symptoms.

The federal government does not have unlimited resources. It has the ability to spend money to unlimited amounts, but that doesn't mean there won't be a consequence to that action either. Inflation is a very real possibility & it devalues a national economy just as effectively. See Weimar Germany in the late 1920s.

Surely you're not trying to say each state should have the capability to deal with all aspects of the pandemic without the federal government's help. That would be ridiculous on several levels.

• States are limited to what they spend on an epidemic by what they have in their emergency fund and what they can cut from other programs. When those funds are exhausted, they can not spend more. In a national emergency federal funds are unlimited compared to the states.
• It would be a huge waste for each state to create reserves of equipment, supplies, and personnel just in case a pandemic hit's their state.
• We have federal agencies that have been created to deal with these types national emergencies. They have far more resources than any state and they have the capability to move resources around the country as needed and to access resources from federal agencies and the military.
• State healthcare departments basically provide for limited delivery of healthcare services as well as create standards and enforcing regulations. In an epidermic they do not have the personnel to interview, test, and track contacts. And unlike the federal government they do not stockpile emergency equipment and supplies for private hospitals in the state. Further they have few if any epidemiologists to coordinate activities and few infectious disease personnel.
• Lastly, a pandemic is both a national and and international issues. States do have the authority nor infrastructure to deal with these issues such as intelligence gathering, data sharing, and controlling access from highly infected areas. Nor do they have the authority to override nor change FDA or CDC regulations.

 

[Rye Catcher]

Testing is something democrats think they can bludgeon with. Other than that, nothing.

Idiot-gram ^^^, variety absolutely stupid comment.

 

[KGB]

Has Trump used the full force of the Defense Production Act yet?

Has Trump invoked the Defense Production Act?

As the coronavirus spreads across the United States, there’s increasing discussion of how to leverage an existing law to

www.politifact.com

You still have to process the tests genius. It’s not like a ventilator where it’s made & that’s it. Trump said something tonight that makes all the sense in the world & outlines the scope. We could test everyone (360,000,000 people), but lot would test false positive or false negative. A lot would test negative now & then positive later. How many times do you want people tested? What’s the turnaround? He’s rightfully pushing testing down to the states because that’s how our federal system works. That’s what makes sense. You look for hotspots & attack those.

In normal times, I would agree with you but these are not normal times. We are in the middle of nationwide epidemic, a national emergency. The federal government has unlimited financial resources. The states do not. States do not have a CDC , a FEMA, FDA, or anything even close. For example, most states have between zero to four epidemiologist. The CDC has nearly 3,000. Essentially the federal government has everything needed to fight a nationwide epidemic and states do not.

Trump is having a political battle with the states over responsibility at a time when thousands of lives are a stake.

We are getting political bullshit from the president when we should be getting leadership. The country is facing what will likely turn out to be the greatest threat since WWII. Donald Trump could mobile American industry to produce hundreds of millions of N95 masks that could protect every American and the threat would vanish in a few of months. He could have enough test to supply every state but he prefers to play the not my responsibility game. In WWII, FDR met with leaders in industry and said, there will be no autos produced, no appliance, no new rubber produces, no radios, etc We will produce guns, tanks, planes, artillery, and whatever our troops need, starting today and we work 7 days 24 hours a day.

Your statements are fundamentally false. Each state has health departments, emergency management departments, health inspectors, etc. That's why health codes are issued by the states themselves. There may be federal guidelines, but states do the licensing. What states lack is perhaps scale, but if they are lacking in capacity, perhaps that question out to be asked of those entities. Why were they so unprepared? State governments waste a ton of money on unnecessary garbage just as much as DC does. What Trump is reminding them is that while he is POTUS, they should be the ones carrying the fight. DC is meant to augment the states.

Your use of WW2 is also false. We know how to build bombs, aircraft, guns for a war. It's a pretty proven commodity with many models available. This virus didn't exist for the most part 8 months ago. Now, you want companies who produce other goods not even remotely close to being medical to start cranking out FDA-approved, scientifically accurate products at the drop of a hat?

But let's just say Trump snapped his fingers & somehow, high quality tests appeared out of the blue for every American. Who is going to process testing for 360 million people? What is the rate on that? How long will it take to get accurate results back? What about false positive/negative results? What about retesting (that alone increases the amount needed exponentially)? I notice you geniuses on the left always avoid these questions.

What we need to do is be smart about this & be practical. You can't test everyone, so you have to prioritize. Hotspots & high priority people (i.e, health care workers, those with symptoms, those who work in critical industries to keep society functioning, etc.) should receive testing & monitored closely. We can & are looking at expanding anti-body testing to see how far the virus has been extended. But as we are finding, a lot of people get this without even knowing it. Or else, they have minor symptoms.

The federal government does not have unlimited resources. It has the ability to spend money to unlimited amounts, but that doesn't mean there won't be a consequence to that action either. Inflation is a very real possibility & it devalues a national economy just as effectively. See Weimar Germany in the late 1920s.

Surely you're not trying to say each state should have the capability to deal with all aspects of the pandemic without the federal government's help. That would be ridiculous on several levels.

• States are limited to what they spend on an epidemic by what they have in their emergency fund and what they can cut from other programs. When those funds are exhausted, they can not spend more. In a national emergency federal funds are unlimited compared to the states.
• It would be a huge waste for each state to create reserves of equipment, supplies, and personnel just in case a pandemic hit's their state.
• We have federal agencies that have been created to deal with these types national emergencies. They have far more resources than any state and they have the capability to move resources around the country as needed and to access resources from federal agencies and the military.
• State healthcare departments basically provide for limited delivery of healthcare services as well as create standards and enforcing regulations. In an epidermic they do not have the personnel to interview, test, and track contacts. And unlike the federal government they do not stockpile emergency equipment and supplies for private hospitals in the state. Further they have few if any epidemiologists to coordinate activities and few infectious disease personnel.
• Lastly, a pandemic is both a national and and international issues. States do have the authority nor infrastructure to deal with these issues such as intelligence gathering, data sharing, and controlling access from highly infected areas. Nor do they have the authority to override nor change FDA or CDC regulations.

States are the first line of defense for emergencies. The governors failed in their responsibility to properly plan (probably too busy paying off unions or investing in stupid Ponzi schemes like windmill farms), so yes they are on the hook. And having reserve stocks is prudent.

I’m not talking about the international aspect nor of the Chinese Communist Party’s culpability in this (that is clearly in the federal gvt’s lane). I’m talking about what states should plan for & how they could require hospitals to have emergency planning as part of their licensing.