AND So, It Begins.... WINTER 2022-23

[Billy_Bob]

I think I will just leave this here...

Nothing Learned: Media Hype Computer-Modeled Study On Climate Tipping Points

We’ve been warned of climate tipping points before, which have racked up a record of non-performance.

climatechangedispatch.com

 

[jc456]

I think I will just leave this here...

Nothing Learned: Media Hype Computer-Modeled Study On Climate Tipping Points

We’ve been warned of climate tipping points before, which have racked up a record of non-performance.

climatechangedispatch.com

You need to post that one on the Winning thread.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

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[ReinyDays]

I think I will just leave this here...

Nothing Learned: Media Hype Computer-Modeled Study On Climate Tipping Points

We’ve been warned of climate tipping points before, which have racked up a record of non-performance.

climatechangedispatch.com

"Tipping points" violate the Law of Thermodynamics unless we can demonstrate they don't ... the electric guitar feedback loop through the speaker requires the amplifier to be plugged in and running ... we get the energy from the grid, and we put the energy into sound waves ... so energy is conserved ... we'll get a bill from the electric company ... and our audience's ear doctors ...

The confusion comes when we move towards equilibrium ... and that's an instantaneous process ... we move towards equilibrium the instant we are in a non-equilibrium state ... there nothing to "tip" as it were ... Physics 102 ...

 

[Billy_Bob]

You need to post that one on the Winning thread.

There are links to all the papers and to the dissenting papers in that link..
An awesome resource for those who understand the science and want the data to look at.

 

[Billy_Bob]

"Tipping points" violate the Law of Thermodynamics unless we can demonstrate they don't ... the electric guitar feedback loop through the speaker requires the amplifier to be plugged in and running ... we get the energy from the grid, and we put the energy into sound waves ... so energy is conserved ... we'll get a bill from the electric company ... and our audience's ear doctors ...

The confusion comes when we move towards equilibrium ... and that's an instantaneous process ... we move towards equilibrium the instant we are in a non-equilibrium state ... there nothing to "tip" as it were ... Physics 102 ...

Just as CO2 follows the temperature change, the paradoxical presentation as we go closer to equilibrium, is not well understood.

 

[ReinyDays]

Just as CO2 follows the temperature change, the paradoxical presentation as we go closer to equilibrium, is not well understood.

Why do you think CO2 follows temperature? ... looking at the empirical data, we've coin-flipping odds ... see how temperatures goes down but CO2 levels go up? ... that's a non-correlation ... neither temperature nor CO2 seem to effect each other ... these values regularly move in opposite directions ...

Yes yes yes ... I understand the theory ... my question is "how much" ... and this may well be below instrumentation error ...

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

Why do you think CO2 follows temperature?

Because they've never had an intro chemistry course and don't know that CO2 will exsolve from solution with increasing temperature.

You guys are such jokes when it comes to basic science. And you all claim you are some kind of scientist! It's hilarious!

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

"Tipping points" violate the Law of Thermodynamics

I'd ask you how but I understand you have never actually had a p-chem or thermo class so you won't be able to explain why. (And apparently you've never heard of "activation energy")

 

[Billy_Bob]

Why do you think CO2 follows temperature? ... looking at the empirical data, we've coin-flipping odds ... see how temperatures goes down but CO2 levels go up? ... that's a non-correlation ... neither temperature nor CO2 seem to effect each other ... these values regularly move in opposite directions ...

Yes yes yes ... I understand the theory ... my question is "how much" ... and this may well be below instrumentation error ...

I think we have competing forcings. Much as push-pull circuit on a circuit board operates. Depending on the weight or the power being pushed or pulled is how much it oscillates to find equilibrium.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

I think we have competing forcings. Much as push-pull circuit on a circuit board operates. Depending on the weight or the power being pushed or pulled is how much it oscillates to find equilibrium.

You guys are HILARIOUS!

CO2 SOLUBILITY IN WATER IS A FUNCTION OF TEMPERATURE you dimwits!!!!!

How hard is that to understand???

You haven't even had an intro chemistry class??????????????

 

[jc456]

You guys are HILARIOUS!

CO2 SOLUBILITY IN WATER IS A FUNCTION OF TEMPERATURE you dimwits!!!!!

How hard is that to understand???

You haven't even had an intro chemistry class??????????????

And how does it work? the temperature rises and the CO2 is released. CO2 follows temperature always in that scenario.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

 

[ReinyDays]

Because they've never had an intro chemistry course and don't know that CO2 will exsolve from solution with increasing temperature.

You guys are such jokes when it comes to basic science. And you all claim you are some kind of scientist! It's hilarious!

Liar ... can't believe a damn thing you post ...

HEY STUPID ... a 1 ppt solution exposed to the atmospheric gases will rapidly absorb CO2 into solution until it reaches equilibrium with the 425 ppm concentration in the atmosphere ... even with increasing temperatures ... fucking liar ...

The amount of CO2 in solution AT SATURATION goes down with increasing temperatures ... as if our solution was being exposed to a pure CO2 gas environment ...

Because YOU'VE never taken an intro chemistry class ... LIAR ... or you'd know this is because carbon dioxide and water chemically react forming carbonic acid, which screws up the thermodynamics of the system ... there's more acids than DNA formed with carbon ...

 

[ReinyDays]

At 1013 mb of carbon dioxide ... LIAR ...

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

At 1013 mb of carbon dioxide ... LIAR ...

Interesting. You think the Second Law of Thermo applies to open systems and you think CO2 solubility as a function of temperature is a "lie".

Yeah, you're a fake.

 

[Billy_Bob]

At 1013 mb of carbon dioxide ... LIAR ...

I am ignoring thig guy just as I ignore Crick.. same BS from both of them.

 

[ReinyDays]

You guys are HILARIOUS!

CO2 SOLUBILITY IN WATER IS A FUNCTION OF TEMPERATURE you dimwits!!!!!

How hard is that to understand???

You haven't even had an intro chemistry class??????????????

Yes, I have taken chemistry ... and you're LYING ... see post # 194 ... asshole ...

 

[ReinyDays]

I am ignoring thig guy just as I ignore Crick.. same BS from both of them.

Crick has some knowledge ... this guy lies ...

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

Liar ... can't believe a damn thing you post ...

Funny thing is, you don't have to believe me. You can pick up an intro chemistry book.

\The amount of CO2 in solution AT SATURATION goes down with increasing temperatures ... as if our solution was being exposed to a pure CO2 gas environment ...

The atmosphere is not at saturation with regards to CO2, my friend.

Because YOU'VE never taken an intro chemistry class

Taken 'em and taugh 'em.

... LIAR ... or you'd know this is because carbon dioxide and water chemically react forming carbonic acid, which screws up the thermodynamics of the system ... there's more acids than DNA formed with carbon ...

Jeeeezus. You are as dumb as shit. Yes, CO2 reacts in water to form various acids and it gets even more complex when you factor in the Revelle Factor in saline water, but the basic concept is still the same.

CO2 can LEAD and LAG temperature.

It's literally freshman chemistry.

You don't believe me? THEN TAKE A CHEMISTRY CLASS, faker.