And conservative follow their paranoid inclination to start unnecessary wars like Iraq.
And conservatives believe in their political philosophy that tax cuts are good no matter what even in the evidence of $11 trillion in debt.
And conservatives believe that each person should sink or swim on their own and if they sink that is their problem.
Conservatives see a Christian state as utopia.
Conservative have "tea parties" to whine about how at 35% income tax and 15% investment tax they are "overtaxed."
As far as facts versus ad hom attacks, PC, I'll invite you to inspect a few threads I've been in then ask you to defend your generalization. Folks like Divecon and Publius and others are hardly liberal but have constantly spewed ad hom attacks.
Are you sincerely being objective here? If you really want to defend that position, let's look at a few recent threads, OK?
Same as above. Liberalis like me have pointed to laws and WWII prosecutions as evidence it is torture. Conservatives have argued "feelings" that water torture is only "stress" and mild discomfort.
Again, we can look at threads if you want.
See, both sides can make overbroad, gross generalization stereotyping the other side for the exact same things, can't they?
This kind of blatant, partisan generalization is beneath the quality of most of the argument I see you take, PC.
Editec is absolutely right. Both parties have their hypocrites and partisans. To claim that only one said is irrational or acts on feeling is just proof of it.
As you know Iriemon, I really like the back and forth with folks like you and Mags, as the language and thinking is generally on a higher level.
But you seem to have taken less than the usual effort in your rebuttal. We did a pretty good job on AlQaeda in Iraq, avoided attacks on the homeland. Do you really want to bring up debt in the light of the works of this administration? You must know that Conservatives give more to charity than libs, and Conservatives don't mention utopia. You are right about some posters being abusive, but not I. We disagree about the nature of 'torture.'
Come on, hit me with your best shot.
You misunderstood my point. I gave those examples to show how both sides can make the type of overbroad stereotypes that your post contained. Here you seem to be saying that these kind of generalizations are fair for you to make because your side is right. Hell so do the partisans on the other side.
Sure we could spend another 50 pages debating the Iraq war and role in the debt, its been done many times before and is being done now in other threads. Both sides have arguments, but what will that accomplish?
I would, however, like you to address one of your assertions, and one that I am willing to investigate if you stand by it, and that is number 5:
You claim:
Liberals hunt for reasons to be insulted the way pigs hunt for truffles. Once they find a satisfactory mote in this category, they feel that it is entirely appropriate for then to use, not logic, facts, nor accepted debating techniques, but ad hominem attacks on the physical appearance, personal history, or imaginary mental defects.
Do you stand by this assertion, PC? I'm a liberal. If you haven't been reading the threads I've been in, I can show you many were I debated with facts and logic, and unless you are going to conted that folk like DiveCon and Publius (and others, those two are the most flagrant) are liberals, I will show you numerous threads where it was not the liberal but the conservative that resorted to the ad hom attack you spoke of.
I can't defend the abuses of those you mention, but I can assure you that I regularly stand firm when the attacks lack logic, use vile language, use neg reps, and actually fabricate lies about me.
Perhaps just my perspective, but I find libs jump to vicious personal attack more quickly than the other side. On this board in particular, but officials as well:
October 2008 Paul Begala, on CNN, referred to President Bush as a barely functioning moron.
"left-wing radio talk-show host Mike Malloy, who outrageously said of Bachmann: "She's a hatemonger. She's the type of person that would have gladly rounded up the Jews in Germany and shipped them off to death camps. She's the type of person who would have had no problem sending typhoid-smeared blankets to Native American families awaiting deportation to reservations. ... This is an evil bitch from hell. I mean, just an absolute evil woman."
Malvaux on Clarence Thomas: I hope his wife feeds him butter and eggs so he dies young.
Gore : Republicans, with that extra chromosome
Alex Baldwin on Henry Hyde: go to his house and kill his family
Huffington Post on Tony Snow- The growth in his abdomen is his head stuck up his a**. F**k him!! He is pure lying scum and should die ASAP!!
Bill Maher writer Chris Kelly took her column on the death and funeral of her father, John Vincent Coulter, and mocked her and the dead man relentlessly on The Huffington Post. He even compared her dead father to Hitler, 2009 " John Vincent Coulter was of the old school, a man of few words, the un-Oprah, no crying or wearing your heart on your sleeve, and reacting to moments of great sentiment with a joke. Or as we used to call them:
Assholes"
You cannot find any incidents of my posts using any of the above.
I have found more satifaction in avoiding the above, and that's all I can say. Was it Nietzsche, "that which doesn't kill me makes me stronger."
But you know the old saying about being more careful about those on your side, than those in the opposition.
Standing alone has never been difficult for me.