Another mass shooting. Another assault rifle

[Divine Wind]

Making assault type rifles illegal will make them harder to obtain, allow police to arrest them on the way to commit their slaughter, or arrest them in the planning stages.

This doesn't even make rational sense. A retarded person makes better sense. Seriously!

How does making a certain style of gun illegal allow police to arrest nutbags on the way to commit slaughter or in the planning stages (if they have them)?

You're making an emotive claim that has no connection with reality.

So... we outlaw scary-looking rifles and suddenly police have the ability of mental telepathy?

Really.... How old are you?

1) If assault rifles are legal, how can the shooter be arrested prior to the attack if he is spotted with such a weapon?

2) Illegal means harder to obatain & the better the chances of stopping it at that stasge.

It's not rocket science.

Well because he would be careful and not be spotted with the weapon which could also be any number of other weapons that aren't banned. Again.... the police can't stop something unless they know something is about to happen. You seem to think banning guns gives them some sort of super power of telepathy.

You just keep making this emotive idiotic argument that banning scary-looking guns will somehow prevent nutbags from doing crazy shit. It just won't!

As it is now, carrying an assault weapon is not illegal. Police would see him & do nothing

With a ban, the guy could be arrested for carrying it. They don't need telepathy as the law is being broken.

If these assault weapons provide no advantage other than looking scary, why the FUCK do you want them?

You are sofa king stupid you think the death toll between a crazy person with an assault weapon & one with a bolt action rifle or a knife or a baseball bat is all the same.

Why did you run from the bet after calling me a lying fuck, Dave? Are you a "lying fuck"?

Okay, let's say you have your partial gun ban. So what is to stop this unhinged doctor from carrying two Glocks in his pocket? Ban handguns next? That's where you're going with this line of logic, isn't it?

Show me the posts where people are calling for banning of all guns. There aren't any.

You are a lying fuck.

 

[Divine Wind]

The rifle used was an AR-15, which is semi-automatic. The primary performance characteristic of an assault rifle is full-automatic function.

Unfortunately the vast majority of anti-gun commentators know absolutely nothing about guns, they are afraid of guns, and they are not inclined to defend themselves under any circumstances -- which accounts for their ignorance.

What today's shooter did with his AR-15 could have been done just as well, if not even better, with some of the most ordinary hunting rifles available. In fact there are a number of ordinary hunting rifles and shotguns with which he could have done a lot more damage.

For your information, the AR-15 is mainly a fetish firearm, adored because of its cosmetic resemblance to the military standard M-16. It is over-priced and over-rated. And it is not an "assault" rifle or an "assault-type" rifle. In fact there is no such thing as an "assault-type" rifle. That is a jerk-off designation.

Correct, it is a tool for use in killing in mass, especially when equipped with a large magazine and a quick release magnet.

No.....wrong...again...The AR-15 is the most popular rifle in the United States, over 5 million in private hands.....and in 35 years how many people have been murdered with one......less than 167, ...in 35 years....hardly a mass killing weapon...

Knives on the other hand...kill over 1,500 every single year. Knives are actually deadlier by body count than these rifles....

AJune 2016 article: "At least 84 people have been killed and 119 have been injured so far this year in 86 shooting incidents involving assault-style rifles, according to data compiled by the Gun Violence Archive, a not-for-profit corporation that tracks gun violence. Those numbers include the casualties at Pulse nightclub over the weekend."

84 in half of 2016. Assault type rifles. Yet you are claiming 137 in 35 years........

It's pretty clear why you didn't include a link to that article, isn't it? Could it be that most of those killed were killed by terrorists? Would you be happier is the terrorists just used trucks to commit mass murder?

The fact remains, most murders are done with handguns and involve gang-bangers shooting other gang-bangers or domestic violence. More than half of the "gun violence" (a term the LW antigunners love to toss around) are suicides. Gang-bangers is an inner-city crime problem. Domestic violence and suicides are a mental health issue. If the LW really gave a shit about saving lives, they'd focus on fixing those areas and less on shredding the Constitution for their authoritarian agenda.

The post that claimed 135 people killer had no link. So fuck you & your link. The post clearly stated who did the numbers. Grow the fuck up.

I guess we all know now who is the lying fuck, don't we? No wonder you ran from the offer of a bet after you libeled me.

Thousands Of Americans Are Gunned Down Each Year, But Few Die By Assault-Style Rifle | HuffPost
But as momentum builds for a new assault weapons ban, data shows just how small of an effect such legislation would have on the overall levels of gun violence in the U.S.

At least 84 people have been killed and 119 have been injured so far this year in 86 shooting incidents involving assault-style rifles, according to data compiled by the Gun Violence Archive, a not-for-profit corporation that tracks gun violence. Those numbers include the casualties at Pulse nightclub over the weekend.

 

[RealDave]

Making assault type rifles illegal will make them harder to obtain, allow police to arrest them on the way to commit their slaughter, or arrest them in the planning stages.

This doesn't even make rational sense. A retarded person makes better sense. Seriously!

How does making a certain style of gun illegal allow police to arrest nutbags on the way to commit slaughter or in the planning stages (if they have them)?

You're making an emotive claim that has no connection with reality.

So... we outlaw scary-looking rifles and suddenly police have the ability of mental telepathy?

Really.... How old are you?

1) If assault rifles are legal, how can the shooter be arrested prior to the attack if he is spotted with such a weapon?

2) Illegal means harder to obatain & the better the chances of stopping it at that stasge.

It's not rocket science.

Well because he would be careful and not be spotted with the weapon which could also be any number of other weapons that aren't banned. Again.... the police can't stop something unless they know something is about to happen. You seem to think banning guns gives them some sort of super power of telepathy.

You just keep making this emotive idiotic argument that banning scary-looking guns will somehow prevent nutbags from doing crazy shit. It just won't!

As it is now, carrying an assault weapon is not illegal. Police would see him & do nothing

With a ban, the guy could be arrested for carrying it. They don't need telepathy as the law is being broken.

If these assault weapons provide no advantage other than looking scary, why the FUCK do you want them?

You are sofa king stupid you think the death toll between a crazy person with an assault weapon & one with a bolt action rifle or a knife or a baseball bat is all the same.

Why did you run from the bet after calling me a lying fuck, Dave? Are you a "lying fuck"?

Okay, let's say you have your partial gun ban. So what is to stop this unhinged doctor from carrying two Glocks in his pocket? Ban handguns next? That's where you're going with this line of logic, isn't it?

Show me the posts where people are calling for banning of all guns. There aren't any.

You are a lying fuck.

Show me asshole or STFU.

 

[Divine Wind]

This doesn't even make rational sense. A retarded person makes better sense. Seriously!

How does making a certain style of gun illegal allow police to arrest nutbags on the way to commit slaughter or in the planning stages (if they have them)?

You're making an emotive claim that has no connection with reality.

So... we outlaw scary-looking rifles and suddenly police have the ability of mental telepathy?

Really.... How old are you?

1) If assault rifles are legal, how can the shooter be arrested prior to the attack if he is spotted with such a weapon?

2) Illegal means harder to obatain & the better the chances of stopping it at that stasge.

It's not rocket science.

Well because he would be careful and not be spotted with the weapon which could also be any number of other weapons that aren't banned. Again.... the police can't stop something unless they know something is about to happen. You seem to think banning guns gives them some sort of super power of telepathy.

You just keep making this emotive idiotic argument that banning scary-looking guns will somehow prevent nutbags from doing crazy shit. It just won't!

As it is now, carrying an assault weapon is not illegal. Police would see him & do nothing

With a ban, the guy could be arrested for carrying it. They don't need telepathy as the law is being broken.

If these assault weapons provide no advantage other than looking scary, why the FUCK do you want them?

You are sofa king stupid you think the death toll between a crazy person with an assault weapon & one with a bolt action rifle or a knife or a baseball bat is all the same.

Why did you run from the bet after calling me a lying fuck, Dave? Are you a "lying fuck"?

Okay, let's say you have your partial gun ban. So what is to stop this unhinged doctor from carrying two Glocks in his pocket? Ban handguns next? That's where you're going with this line of logic, isn't it?

Show me the posts where people are calling for banning of all guns. There aren't any.

You are a lying fuck.

Show me asshole or STFU.

Let's see, you post a partial quote about murders with "assault rifles" then, when questioned about your source, you deny there is a link. You deny anyone has ever called for a complete gun ban in America then call me a "lying fuck". When confronted about your quote and shown that it was you who was the "lying fuck" after I posted a link to your HuffPo article showing most of those deaths were due to the Orlando terrorist attack you not only remain unapologetic, but press your libelous attack with further name-calling.

I have the evidence. Do you have the money? Given you have proven yourself to be a "lying fuck", I doubt your veracity and honesty even when shown incontrovertible evidence that I am correct.

Show me the posts where people are calling for banning of all guns. There aren't any.

You are a lying fuck.

 

[Divine Wind]

You made this quote:

AJune 2016 article: "At least 84 people have been killed and 119 have been injured so far this year in 86 shooting incidents involving assault-style rifles, according to data compiled by the Gun Violence Archive, a not-for-profit corporation that tracks gun violence. Those numbers include the casualties at Pulse nightclub over the weekend."

84 in half of 2016. Assault type rifles. Yet you are claiming 137 in 35 years........

When asked to back it up with a link, you dodged and lied that it had a link.

Here is your linked source; HuffPo.

Thousands Of Americans Are Gunned Down Each Year, But Few Die By Assault-Style Rifle | HuffPost
But as momentum builds for a new assault weapons ban, data shows just how small of an effect such legislation would have on the overall levels of gun violence in the U.S.

At least 84 people have been killed and 119 have been injured so far this year in 86 shooting incidents involving assault-style rifles, according to data compiled by the Gun Violence Archive, a not-for-profit corporation that tracks gun violence. Those numbers include the casualties at Pulse nightclub over the weekend.

Now, how about that bet, Dave? It's a simple yes or no question.

 

[Boss]

As it is now, carrying an assault weapon is not illegal. Police would see him & do nothing

With a ban, the guy could be arrested for carrying it. They don't need telepathy as the law is being broken.

If these assault weapons provide no advantage other than looking scary, why the FUCK do you want them?

You are sofa king stupid you think the death toll between a crazy person with an assault weapon & one with a bolt action rifle or a knife or a baseball bat is all the same.

But Dave, he doesn't need an "assault weapon" to kill people. He can use an automatic pistol and kill just as many, just as quickly. Banning a certain kind of gun isn't going to change a mentally unstable person's state of mind.

The weapons you are calling "assault weapons" are just regular guns. They have some beneficial features like a carbon fiber stock which makes them lighter. They may have a noise suppressor which helps protect the user's hearing. They may be camouflage in color so they are more beneficial to hunting wild animals. They aren't any more deadly than a regular rifle. In fact, there are regular-looking rifles that are much more powerful than an AR-15 or AK-47.

Will you please stop for a minute and think about the number of people killed in numerous attacks across the UK in the past few months? These people have the most strict anti-gun laws in the world... did it prevent people from dying? NO! Look at Chicago... a city with the most stringent gun laws in America and you have more people being shot and killed there daily than in Afghanistan and Iraq. Banning guns doesn't stop people from being killed.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Mass shooting in hospital where the shooter used an assault type rifle.

But hey, if only doctors were armed.

The rifle used was an AR-15, which is semi-automatic. The primary performance characteristic of an assault rifle is full-automatic function.

Unfortunately the vast majority of anti-gun commentators know absolutely nothing about guns, they are afraid of guns, and they are not inclined to defend themselves under any circumstances -- which accounts for their ignorance.

What today's shooter did with his AR-15 could have been done just as well, if not even better, with some of the most ordinary hunting rifles available. In fact there are a number of ordinary hunting rifles and shotguns with which he could have done a lot more damage.

For your information, the AR-15 is mainly a fetish firearm, adored because of its cosmetic resemblance to the military standard M-16. It is over-priced and over-rated. And it is not an "assault" rifle or an "assault-type" rifle. In fact there is no such thing as an "assault-type" rifle. That is a jerk-off designation.

That's the commonly used term these days for a gun that will spray multiple bullets in a minute, a dozen or more depending on who you ask. That makes it an "assault" weapon, indeed, if you are the person being fired upon.

No...it doesn't...that is the lie the anti gunners use because they want to ban the weapon. The truth is that a military rifle must have select fire capability.......the AR-15 does not, and never has had this...and has never been used by the military....the definition you gave...fits most modern pistols...which is another thing the gun grabbers do...they bait and switch, here we were talking about rifles...but the definition you gave fits pistols too....which is why we don't trust anti gunners....

We had a ban on assault type rifles. Where were the other bans you keep whining about?

Many LWs want to ban all guns. This forum is replete with that idea. However, shredding the Constitution isn't a practical path for them. Slowly eating away at individual rights and eroding the meaning and intent of the Second Amendment in particular works much better for them. They use words like "for the children" and "common sense" but when it comes down to the nitty-gritty it's statements that mean restricting all free citizens from exercising their natural right of self-defense.

BTW, there is not such thing as an "assault rifle" much less an "assault type rifle". It's a fabricated term used by the anti-gun left that means "scary-looking rifle".

What is the difference between these two rifles, RealDave?

Would you call CPS on the parents of this young man?

Premise one is a lie ("Many LWs want to ban all guns"); no one in authority has ever proposed legislation to ban all guns. Most of us believe guns need to be controlled, and kept out of the hands of those who have a demonstrated a lack of self control (drugs, alcohol, domestic violence, etc.).

Any tool can be an assault weapon, from a hammer or screw driver to a a knife or a gun. Assault with a Deadly Weapon is a felony, though no real harm to the victim needs to have occurred.

 

[2aguy]

The difference is in killing power.

Trucks & planes of other uses that killing.

IDK ISIS seems to be doing a decent enough job with cars, trucks and bombs. Matter of fact they haven't been using guns at all lately.

I'm more worried about the U.S. and the OP is about the shooting of six innocent doctors and med students going about their work at a hospital when they were gunned down by an ex coworker using an AR15, widely available in any hunting goods store and WalMart. We aren't talking about terrorists.

Well actually we are. This guy left that job in 2015. He's been stewing for a while and probably planning this for a while;its domestic terrorism of a sort. Take away the AR-15 and he still would have had his revenge. Like ISIS he could have used a bomb,knife,car,poison, the only limit is his imagination. Timothy McVeigh used a truck and made a fertilizer bomb. This isn't rocket science and this guy was a doctor so I'm thinking he could figure out by way of internet how to make a bomb. Emergency rooms have drive up access so it really would have been nothing for Dr. Bello blow shit up if he couldn't have gotten his hands on a AR-15. The terrorists in London used cars,homemade bombs and knives and so could have Bello. If this country wants to stop guys like Bello and Lanza maybe we should invest more into mental health. Clearly Bello had anger management problems and a screw loose as did Lanza. It's not the guns it's the mind of the people with the guns. Our society is producing nut jobs at an alarming rate and maybe we should also put some cash into why that is. This type of thing didn't happen with this frequency 30 years ago. Somethings gone horribly wrong in the last 30 years.

I am willing to bet that mass shootings would actually increase significantly if there were to be a total (unconstitutional) ban on firearms. Even if the ban were specific to only certain types or calibers.

Banning guns will not in any way convert insane criminals into law abiding upstanding members of a society.

Making assault type rifles illegal will make them harder to obtain, allow police to arrest them on the way to commit their slaughter, or arrest them in the planning stages.

Trucks & knives have actual uses outside of killing things. Really. Quit being sofa king stupid by declaring there are other ways to kill people. No fucking shit. It has no change ton the FACT that a AK47 has far more killing power than a knife or pistol or bolt action rifle or a baseball bast. A fact you assholes can't seem to grasp.

Why own one? It is a crappy home defense weapon.

First....AR-15s are protected by the 2nd Amendment....and making them illegal only makes it harder for law abiding people to get them....just ask the terrorists in France, terrorists who were on government terrorist watch lists, who had been in jail, who got actual military rifles, explosives and pistols...in a country where those items are banned, no gun stores, no private sales.......

And this guy could have done the same thing with a pump action shotgun....or a revolver....

Guns have a purpose...protecting law abiding people from killers, robbers and rapists....why that isn't important to morons like you is beyond me....but that is their purpose......

Again...rifles with magazines have been used to murder about 167 people in mass shootings.....in 35 years..

Knives are used to murder over 1,500 people every single year...they are actually more deadly than these rifles.......ban metal knives.....you can do everything you need to do with a knife with a plastic knife.......or a spork.....

 

[2aguy]

The difference is in killing power.

Trucks & planes of other uses that killing.

IDK ISIS seems to be doing a decent enough job with cars, trucks and bombs. Matter of fact they haven't been using guns at all lately.

I'm more worried about the U.S. and the OP is about the shooting of six innocent doctors and med students going about their work at a hospital when they were gunned down by an ex coworker using an AR15, widely available in any hunting goods store and WalMart. We aren't talking about terrorists.

Well actually we are. This guy left that job in 2015. He's been stewing for a while and probably planning this for a while;its domestic terrorism of a sort. Take away the AR-15 and he still would have had his revenge. Like ISIS he could have used a bomb,knife,car,poison, the only limit is his imagination. Timothy McVeigh used a truck and made a fertilizer bomb. This isn't rocket science and this guy was a doctor so I'm thinking he could figure out by way of internet how to make a bomb. Emergency rooms have drive up access so it really would have been nothing for Dr. Bello blow shit up if he couldn't have gotten his hands on a AR-15. The terrorists in London used cars,homemade bombs and knives and so could have Bello. If this country wants to stop guys like Bello and Lanza maybe we should invest more into mental health. Clearly Bello had anger management problems and a screw loose as did Lanza. It's not the guns it's the mind of the people with the guns. Our society is producing nut jobs at an alarming rate and maybe we should also put some cash into why that is. This type of thing didn't happen with this frequency 30 years ago. Somethings gone horribly wrong in the last 30 years.

I am willing to bet that mass shootings would actually increase significantly if there were to be a total (unconstitutional) ban on firearms. Even if the ban were specific to only certain types or calibers.

Banning guns will not in any way convert insane criminals into law abiding upstanding members of a society.

Making assault type rifles illegal will make them harder to obtain, allow police to arrest them on the way to commit their slaughter, or arrest them in the planning stages.

Trucks & knives have actual uses outside of killing things. Really. Quit being sofa king stupid by declaring there are other ways to kill people. No fucking shit. It has no change ton the FACT that a AK47 has far more killing power than a knife or pistol or bolt action rifle or a baseball bast. A fact you assholes can't seem to grasp.

Why own one? It is a crappy home defense weapon.

Why own one? It is a crappy home defense weapon

You have no idea what you are talking about...it is a great home defense weapon...

It is light, so any body type can use it easily, men, women, teenagers, it holds a magazine that allows 20 rounds to deal with the threat.....even a 30 round magazine.......so you don't run out and don't have to change the magazine in most criminal encounters in the home......you morons have given it a reputation, so when a criminal sees it they will react to it with more fear and will likely run away instead of challenging you the way they might if you had a snub nose .38. The weapon allows 3 points of contact with the weapon allowing you to control it and where the bullet goes......it has low recoil, and is easier to shoot than a small pistol....which means you will likely hit what you shoot at. You can also mount a light and a laser on it making it easier to shoot in the dark and low light if you need it.

And if you are facing down a riot in a democrat controlled city, where the democrat mayor has told the police to stand down and let the rioters loot and burn stores.....your AR-15 will keep your store from being burned to the ground.....without having to fire a shot....

 

[Skull Pilot]

An assault (CA Penal Code 240) is defined as "an unlawful attempt, coupled with a present ability, to commit a violent injury on the person of another."

Thus any weapons, from a hammer to an AR 15 and everything in between, can appropriately be characterized as an assault weapon.

Only IF they are used in an assault. If there is no unlawful attempt there is no assault

My concealed carry pistol has never been an "assault" weapon because it's never been unlawfully used in an assault

 

[Skull Pilot]

P.S., I also love it when people who never served in the military and have never been trained with military weapons think they know so much about them and how they are used.

As I am prior service military, myself (Marines).... I find most of your shit laughable as hell. "Full Auto" is NOT intended to be used for "mass killing." Hell, the 5.56 / .223 round isn't even designed for "mass killing." "Full Auto" (according to our training) is to be used for cover fire and suppression. . . mainly as a distraction to the enemy to aid troop movements.

You can't generally hit squat that you want to hit, when shooting full auto. It's hard enough to hit shit in Semi-auto.

I could go on, but why bother? Besides... time to go to work.

Exactly The 5.56 is designed to wound enemy troops not kill en masse

 

[2aguy]

Mass shooting in hospital where the shooter used an assault type rifle.

But hey, if only doctors were armed.

The rifle used was an AR-15, which is semi-automatic. The primary performance characteristic of an assault rifle is full-automatic function.

Unfortunately the vast majority of anti-gun commentators know absolutely nothing about guns, they are afraid of guns, and they are not inclined to defend themselves under any circumstances -- which accounts for their ignorance.

What today's shooter did with his AR-15 could have been done just as well, if not even better, with some of the most ordinary hunting rifles available. In fact there are a number of ordinary hunting rifles and shotguns with which he could have done a lot more damage.

For your information, the AR-15 is mainly a fetish firearm, adored because of its cosmetic resemblance to the military standard M-16. It is over-priced and over-rated. And it is not an "assault" rifle or an "assault-type" rifle. In fact there is no such thing as an "assault-type" rifle. That is a jerk-off designation.

But doesn't happen in the UK....

Actually, shootings like this happen in the U.K. about once a decade......that was the average before the gun ban and confiscation and it has so far been the average after the ban....they had one in 2010...killed more people than this guy did.....

Also...they just stopped a school mass shooting, the kid brought a shotgun to his school to shoot bullies.....but decided not to...

Which British gun control law stopped that kid? Can you tell us?

Then there was another kid who bought a Glock 19 on the dark web...he was going to shoot up the university that kicked him out...but posted about it on social media and got picked up before he could do it....

Tell us, which gun control law stopped that kid....? Dumb luck isn't a gun control law....

The kid who almost shot up his elementary school...

Teenager arrested after student 'brought shotgun and ammunition into school'

A teenager has been arrested after reports that a student had brought a shotgun and ammunition into school.

Warwickshire Police confirmed the boy had been arrested after officers were called to Higham Lane School in Nuneaton at 9.15am this morning.



Read more: Teenager arrested after student 'brought shotgun and ammunition into school'

The guy who almost shot up his former university...

British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack



Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.

Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.

As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.

According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance.

He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.

Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.

The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.

In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”

He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.

 

[2aguy]

Mass shooting in hospital where the shooter used an assault type rifle.

But hey, if only doctors were armed.

The rifle used was an AR-15, which is semi-automatic. The primary performance characteristic of an assault rifle is full-automatic function.

Unfortunately the vast majority of anti-gun commentators know absolutely nothing about guns, they are afraid of guns, and they are not inclined to defend themselves under any circumstances -- which accounts for their ignorance.

What today's shooter did with his AR-15 could have been done just as well, if not even better, with some of the most ordinary hunting rifles available. In fact there are a number of ordinary hunting rifles and shotguns with which he could have done a lot more damage.

For your information, the AR-15 is mainly a fetish firearm, adored because of its cosmetic resemblance to the military standard M-16. It is over-priced and over-rated. And it is not an "assault" rifle or an "assault-type" rifle. In fact there is no such thing as an "assault-type" rifle. That is a jerk-off designation.

Correct, it is a tool for use in killing in mass, especially when equipped with a large magazine and a quick release magnet.

No.....wrong...again...The AR-15 is the most popular rifle in the United States, over 5 million in private hands.....and in 35 years how many people have been murdered with one......less than 167, ...in 35 years....hardly a mass killing weapon...

Knives on the other hand...kill over 1,500 every single year. Knives are actually deadlier by body count than these rifles....

AJune 2016 article: "At least 84 people have been killed and 119 have been injured so far this year in 86 shooting incidents involving assault-style rifles, according to data compiled by the Gun Violence Archive, a not-for-profit corporation that tracks gun violence. Those numbers include the casualties at Pulse nightclub over the weekend."

84 in half of 2016. Assault type rifles. Yet you are claiming 137 in 35 years........

The gun violence archive is lying.....check out the stories......you will find they include pistols and bolt action rifles.....as Assualt weapons......

 

[Skull Pilot]

The difference is in killing power.

Trucks & planes of other uses that killing.

IDK ISIS seems to be doing a decent enough job with cars, trucks and bombs. Matter of fact they haven't been using guns at all lately.

I'm more worried about the U.S. and the OP is about the shooting of six innocent doctors and med students going about their work at a hospital when they were gunned down by an ex coworker using an AR15, widely available in any hunting goods store and WalMart. We aren't talking about terrorists.

Well actually we are. This guy left that job in 2015. He's been stewing for a while and probably planning this for a while;its domestic terrorism of a sort. Take away the AR-15 and he still would have had his revenge. Like ISIS he could have used a bomb,knife,car,poison, the only limit is his imagination. Timothy McVeigh used a truck and made a fertilizer bomb. This isn't rocket science and this guy was a doctor so I'm thinking he could figure out by way of internet how to make a bomb. Emergency rooms have drive up access so it really would have been nothing for Dr. Bello blow shit up if he couldn't have gotten his hands on a AR-15. The terrorists in London used cars,homemade bombs and knives and so could have Bello. If this country wants to stop guys like Bello and Lanza maybe we should invest more into mental health. Clearly Bello had anger management problems and a screw loose as did Lanza. It's not the guns it's the mind of the people with the guns. Our society is producing nut jobs at an alarming rate and maybe we should also put some cash into why that is. This type of thing didn't happen with this frequency 30 years ago. Somethings gone horribly wrong in the last 30 years.

I am willing to bet that mass shootings would actually increase significantly if there were to be a total (unconstitutional) ban on firearms. Even if the ban were specific to only certain types or calibers.

Banning guns will not in any way convert insane criminals into law abiding upstanding members of a society.

Making assault type rifles illegal will make them harder to obtain, allow police to arrest them on the way to commit their slaughter, or arrest them in the planning stages.

Trucks & knives have actual uses outside of killing things. Really. Quit being sofa king stupid by declaring there are other ways to kill people. No fucking shit. It has no change ton the FACT that a AK47 has far more killing power than a knife or pistol or bolt action rifle or a baseball bast. A fact you assholes can't seem to grasp.

Why own one? It is a crappy home defense weapon.

so when this rifle

is made illegal because it is an "assault" weapon

why not use this rifle

which is exactly the same as the first rifle in every way except cosmetics?

 

[2aguy]

Mass shooting in hospital where the shooter used an assault type rifle.

But hey, if only doctors were armed.

The rifle used was an AR-15, which is semi-automatic. The primary performance characteristic of an assault rifle is full-automatic function.

Unfortunately the vast majority of anti-gun commentators know absolutely nothing about guns, they are afraid of guns, and they are not inclined to defend themselves under any circumstances -- which accounts for their ignorance.

What today's shooter did with his AR-15 could have been done just as well, if not even better, with some of the most ordinary hunting rifles available. In fact there are a number of ordinary hunting rifles and shotguns with which he could have done a lot more damage.

For your information, the AR-15 is mainly a fetish firearm, adored because of its cosmetic resemblance to the military standard M-16. It is over-priced and over-rated. And it is not an "assault" rifle or an "assault-type" rifle. In fact there is no such thing as an "assault-type" rifle. That is a jerk-off designation.

Correct, it is a tool for use in killing in mass, especially when equipped with a large magazine and a quick release magnet.

No.....wrong...again...The AR-15 is the most popular rifle in the United States, over 5 million in private hands.....and in 35 years how many people have been murdered with one......less than 167, ...in 35 years....hardly a mass killing weapon...

Knives on the other hand...kill over 1,500 every single year. Knives are actually deadlier by body count than these rifles....

AJune 2016 article: "At least 84 people have been killed and 119 have been injured so far this year in 86 shooting incidents involving assault-style rifles, according to data compiled by the Gun Violence Archive, a not-for-profit corporation that tracks gun violence. Those numbers include the casualties at Pulse nightclub over the weekend."

84 in half of 2016. Assault type rifles. Yet you are claiming 137 in 35 years........

Please link to the article....the Gun Violence Archive isn't an accurate source, they lie....


I use the Mother Jones Mass Public shooting tracker that goes back to 1982...they list every detail about the shootings......the last count I had was about 167 in 35 years...the more recent shootings haven't been counted because I will wait for the end of the year total.....

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2017: Data From Mother Jones’ Investigation – Mother Jones

 

[Skull Pilot]

The rifle used was an AR-15, which is semi-automatic. The primary performance characteristic of an assault rifle is full-automatic function.

Unfortunately the vast majority of anti-gun commentators know absolutely nothing about guns, they are afraid of guns, and they are not inclined to defend themselves under any circumstances -- which accounts for their ignorance.

What today's shooter did with his AR-15 could have been done just as well, if not even better, with some of the most ordinary hunting rifles available. In fact there are a number of ordinary hunting rifles and shotguns with which he could have done a lot more damage.

For your information, the AR-15 is mainly a fetish firearm, adored because of its cosmetic resemblance to the military standard M-16. It is over-priced and over-rated. And it is not an "assault" rifle or an "assault-type" rifle. In fact there is no such thing as an "assault-type" rifle. That is a jerk-off designation.

That's the commonly used term these days for a gun that will spray multiple bullets in a minute, a dozen or more depending on who you ask. That makes it an "assault" weapon, indeed, if you are the person being fired upon.

No...it doesn't...that is the lie the anti gunners use because they want to ban the weapon. The truth is that a military rifle must have select fire capability.......the AR-15 does not, and never has had this...and has never been used by the military....the definition you gave...fits most modern pistols...which is another thing the gun grabbers do...they bait and switch, here we were talking about rifles...but the definition you gave fits pistols too....which is why we don't trust anti gunners....

We had a ban on assault type rifles. Where were the other bans you keep whining about?

Many LWs want to ban all guns. This forum is replete with that idea. However, shredding the Constitution isn't a practical path for them. Slowly eating away at individual rights and eroding the meaning and intent of the Second Amendment in particular works much better for them. They use words like "for the children" and "common sense" but when it comes down to the nitty-gritty it's statements that mean restricting all free citizens from exercising their natural right of self-defense.

BTW, there is not such thing as an "assault rifle" much less an "assault type rifle". It's a fabricated term used by the anti-gun left that means "scary-looking rifle".

What is the difference between these two rifles, RealDave?

Would you call CPS on the parents of this young man?

Show me the posts where people are calling for banning of all guns. There aren't any.

You are a lying fuck.

As for your two guns, one has a clip that holds far more bullets. A gun that you would need to hunt because you likely can't hit shit.

That kids looks like he is about 12 years old & child psychologists will tell you that is too young to fully grasp the concept of risk. So, if the gun is real, his parents are fucking idiots.

you don't know shit about guns do you?

FYI it's magazine not clip

 

[2aguy]

Mass shooting in hospital where the shooter used an assault type rifle.

But hey, if only doctors were armed.

The rifle used was an AR-15, which is semi-automatic. The primary performance characteristic of an assault rifle is full-automatic function.

Unfortunately the vast majority of anti-gun commentators know absolutely nothing about guns, they are afraid of guns, and they are not inclined to defend themselves under any circumstances -- which accounts for their ignorance.

What today's shooter did with his AR-15 could have been done just as well, if not even better, with some of the most ordinary hunting rifles available. In fact there are a number of ordinary hunting rifles and shotguns with which he could have done a lot more damage.

For your information, the AR-15 is mainly a fetish firearm, adored because of its cosmetic resemblance to the military standard M-16. It is over-priced and over-rated. And it is not an "assault" rifle or an "assault-type" rifle. In fact there is no such thing as an "assault-type" rifle. That is a jerk-off designation.

Correct, it is a tool for use in killing in mass, especially when equipped with a large magazine and a quick release magnet.

No.....wrong...again...The AR-15 is the most popular rifle in the United States, over 5 million in private hands.....and in 35 years how many people have been murdered with one......less than 167, ...in 35 years....hardly a mass killing weapon...

Knives on the other hand...kill over 1,500 every single year. Knives are actually deadlier by body count than these rifles....

AJune 2016 article: "At least 84 people have been killed and 119 have been injured so far this year in 86 shooting incidents involving assault-style rifles, according to data compiled by the Gun Violence Archive, a not-for-profit corporation that tracks gun violence. Those numbers include the casualties at Pulse nightclub over the weekend."

84 in half of 2016. Assault type rifles. Yet you are claiming 137 in 35 years........

For example....the Gun violence archive includes shootings at parties by rival gangs as mass shootings...that is not the actual definition of a mass shooting....a mass shooting does not involve criminal activity, they are a different category...but to hype mass shootings...that is, to lie about them, they bump up their numbers.....by including crimnal activity.

For example...

This is not a mass public shooting, the guy murdered family members...an two others.....they lie.....

Warrants detail weapons found after La Madera shooting spree

 

[2aguy]

The rifle used was an AR-15, which is semi-automatic. The primary performance characteristic of an assault rifle is full-automatic function.

Unfortunately the vast majority of anti-gun commentators know absolutely nothing about guns, they are afraid of guns, and they are not inclined to defend themselves under any circumstances -- which accounts for their ignorance.

What today's shooter did with his AR-15 could have been done just as well, if not even better, with some of the most ordinary hunting rifles available. In fact there are a number of ordinary hunting rifles and shotguns with which he could have done a lot more damage.

For your information, the AR-15 is mainly a fetish firearm, adored because of its cosmetic resemblance to the military standard M-16. It is over-priced and over-rated. And it is not an "assault" rifle or an "assault-type" rifle. In fact there is no such thing as an "assault-type" rifle. That is a jerk-off designation.

That's the commonly used term these days for a gun that will spray multiple bullets in a minute, a dozen or more depending on who you ask. That makes it an "assault" weapon, indeed, if you are the person being fired upon.

No...it doesn't...that is the lie the anti gunners use because they want to ban the weapon. The truth is that a military rifle must have select fire capability.......the AR-15 does not, and never has had this...and has never been used by the military....the definition you gave...fits most modern pistols...which is another thing the gun grabbers do...they bait and switch, here we were talking about rifles...but the definition you gave fits pistols too....which is why we don't trust anti gunners....

We had a ban on assault type rifles. Where were the other bans you keep whining about?

Many LWs want to ban all guns. This forum is replete with that idea. However, shredding the Constitution isn't a practical path for them. Slowly eating away at individual rights and eroding the meaning and intent of the Second Amendment in particular works much better for them. They use words like "for the children" and "common sense" but when it comes down to the nitty-gritty it's statements that mean restricting all free citizens from exercising their natural right of self-defense.

BTW, there is not such thing as an "assault rifle" much less an "assault type rifle". It's a fabricated term used by the anti-gun left that means "scary-looking rifle".

What is the difference between these two rifles, RealDave?

Would you call CPS on the parents of this young man?

Show me the posts where people are calling for banning of all guns. There aren't any.

You are a lying fuck.

As for your two guns, one has a clip that holds far more bullets. A gun that you would need to hunt because you likely can't hit shit.

That kids looks like he is about 12 years old & child psychologists will tell you that is too young to fully grasp the concept of risk. So, if the gun is real, his parents are fucking idiots.

That kid has been taught correctly, note that he keeps his finger off the trigger.....moron......guns are less dangerous than cars, and we let kids 16 years old drive them without supervision....

Accidental gun deaths 2015......489

Accidental car deaths 2015....36,161

 

[2aguy]

Making assault type rifles illegal will make them harder to obtain, allow police to arrest them on the way to commit their slaughter, or arrest them in the planning stages.

This doesn't even make rational sense. A retarded person makes better sense. Seriously!

How does making a certain style of gun illegal allow police to arrest nutbags on the way to commit slaughter or in the planning stages (if they have them)?

You're making an emotive claim that has no connection with reality.

So... we outlaw scary-looking rifles and suddenly police have the ability of mental telepathy?

Really.... How old are you?

1) If assault rifles are legal, how can the shooter be arrested prior to the attack if he is spotted with such a weapon?

2) Illegal means harder to obatain & the better the chances of stopping it at that stasge.

It's not rocket science.

This Doctor wasn't allowed to carry that rifle in public in New York...which New York gun law stopped him from carrying it to the hospital?

A felon caught with a gun can already be arrested just for possessing the weapon....any normal person can simply store the rifle in his car in the legally directed way, drive to a gun free zone and start shooting people......

We already have laws on the books that stop criminals......no law will stop a mass shooter because they are not criminals before they commit their only crime....

This is why all of your gun laws are stupid....mass shootings are rare, and the mass shooters plan them 6 months to 2 years in advance, on average.

Do you realize that this guy could have done the exact same thing with a legal shotgun....that the rifle had no bearing on what he did here? Do you realize that?

 

[2aguy]

Mass shooting in hospital where the shooter used an assault type rifle.

But hey, if only doctors were armed.

The rifle used was an AR-15, which is semi-automatic. The primary performance characteristic of an assault rifle is full-automatic function.

Unfortunately the vast majority of anti-gun commentators know absolutely nothing about guns, they are afraid of guns, and they are not inclined to defend themselves under any circumstances -- which accounts for their ignorance.

What today's shooter did with his AR-15 could have been done just as well, if not even better, with some of the most ordinary hunting rifles available. In fact there are a number of ordinary hunting rifles and shotguns with which he could have done a lot more damage.

For your information, the AR-15 is mainly a fetish firearm, adored because of its cosmetic resemblance to the military standard M-16. It is over-priced and over-rated. And it is not an "assault" rifle or an "assault-type" rifle. In fact there is no such thing as an "assault-type" rifle. That is a jerk-off designation.

Correct, it is a tool for use in killing in mass, especially when equipped with a large magazine and a quick release magnet.

No.....wrong...again...The AR-15 is the most popular rifle in the United States, over 5 million in private hands.....and in 35 years how many people have been murdered with one......less than 167, ...in 35 years....hardly a mass killing weapon...

Knives on the other hand...kill over 1,500 every single year. Knives are actually deadlier by body count than these rifles....

AJune 2016 article: "At least 84 people have been killed and 119 have been injured so far this year in 86 shooting incidents involving assault-style rifles, according to data compiled by the Gun Violence Archive, a not-for-profit corporation that tracks gun violence. Those numbers include the casualties at Pulse nightclub over the weekend."

84 in half of 2016. Assault type rifles. Yet you are claiming 137 in 35 years........

It's pretty clear why you didn't include a link to that article, isn't it? Could it be that most of those killed were killed by terrorists? Would you be happier is the terrorists just used trucks to commit mass murder?

The fact remains, most murders are done with handguns and involve gang-bangers shooting other gang-bangers or domestic violence. More than half of the "gun violence" (a term the LW antigunners love to toss around) are suicides. Gang-bangers is an inner-city crime problem. Domestic violence and suicides are a mental health issue. If the LW really gave a shit about saving lives, they'd focus on fixing those areas and less on shredding the Constitution for their authoritarian agenda.

I think I looked up what he was talking about.....I think they include pistols, shotguns and some bolt action rifles as "Assault weapons" I would have to see his link...which he didn't give yet......to be sure...