Apartheid Israel

Our staunch judophobe is grabbing at the 4-th Geneva convention, which entered into force on October 21, 1950, whimsically making it retroactive, which it is not. If it, theoretically, is, then why does it not apply, for example, to about 400,000 japanese, thrown out by the sovietski in violation of the non-aggression pact from the Kurile islands? No UN weeping about that. Especially in view of the fact that, the japanese held the islands, as an established japanese territory. The convention is based on the assumption that, there had been a legitimate sovereign, who was ousted. Well, arabs decided to fight it out and got a joo army boot stuck up their arse. Real life and real life decisions aren't a computer game with a "save-reload" button to fall back on.
Altogether, all refugees are equal, but some so-called "refugees" are more equal, than others.
"The condition has reached the stage where it might be diagnosed as an advanced case of demographomania.

"The mania, of course, is rooted in Zionist principles, in the need to maintain a Jewish majority capable of implementing a democracy that will absorb the Diaspora, accommodate pioneer settlement and the assumption of a common history, and that allows for the fetishisation of military service.

"For without any of the above Israel would have to practice government by the minority, which inevitably leads to apartheid or racial segregation, to government by a national minority that sees the state as the embodiment of its legitimacy.

"Such practices demand dual sets of legality.

Jose Aznar, former Prime Minister, Spain: If Israel Goes Down, We All Go Down
We cannot forget that Israel is the West’s best ally in a turbulent region. The state of Israel was created by a decision of the UN. Its legitimacy, therefore, should not be in question. Israel is a nation with deeply rooted democratic institutions. It is a dynamic and open society that has repeatedly excelled in culture, science and technology. Owing to its roots, history, and values, Israel is a fully fledged Western nation. Indeed, it is a normal Western nation, but one confronted by abnormal circumstances. What binds us, however, is our unyielding support for Israel’s right to exist and to defend itself. For Western countries to side with those who question Israel’s legitimacy, for them to play games in international bodies with Israel’s vital security issues, for them to appease those who oppose Western values rather than robustly to stand up in defense of those values, is not only a grave moral mistake, but a strategic error of the first magnitude.

Israel is a fundamental part of the West. The West is what it is thanks to its Judeo-Christian roots. If the Jewish element of those roots is upturned and Israel is lost, then we are lost too. Whether we like it or not, our fate is inextricably intertwined. The real threats to regional stability, however, are to be found in the rise of a radical Islamism which sees Israel’s destruction as the fulfillment of its religious destiny and, simultaneously in the case of Iran, as an expression of its ambitions for regional hegemony. Both phenomena are threats that affect not only Israel, but also the wider West and the world at large. Israel is our first line of defense in a turbulent region that is constantly at risk of descending into chaos; a region vital to our energy security owing to our overdependence on Middle Eastern oil; a region that forms the front line in the fight against extremism. If Israel goes down, we all go down. To defend Israel’s right to exist in peace, within secure borders, requires a degree of moral and strategic clarity that too often seems to have disappeared in Europe. The United States shows worrying signs of heading in the same direction.

The West is going through a period of confusion over the shape of the world’s future. To a great extent, this confusion is caused by a kind of masochistic self-doubt over our own identity; by the rule of political correctness; by a multiculturalism that forces us to our knees before others; and by a secularism which, irony of ironies, blinds us even when we are confronted by jihadis promoting the most fanatical incarnation of their faith. To abandon Israel to its fate, at this moment of all moments, would merely serve to illustrate how far we have sunk and how inexorable our decline now appears. This cannot be allowed to happen. Motivated by the need to rebuild our own Western values, expressing deep concern about the wave of aggression against Israel, and mindful that Israel’s strength is our strength and Israel’s weakness is our weakness, I have decided to promote a new Friends of Israel initiative with the help of some prominent people, including David Trimble, Andrew Roberts, John Bolton, Alejandro Toledo (the former President of Peru), Marcello Pera (philosopher and former President of the Italian Senate), Fiamma Nirenstein (the Italian author and politician), the financier Robert Agostinelli and the Catholic intellectual George Weigel.

What binds us, however, is our unyielding support for Israel’s right to exist and to defend itself. For Western countries to side with those who question Israel’s legitimacy, for them to play games in international bodies with Israel’s vital security issues, for them to appease those who oppose Western values rather than robustly to stand up in defense of those values, is not only a grave moral mistake, but a strategic error of the first magnitude. Israel is a fundamental part of the West. The West is what it is thanks to its Judeo-Christian roots. If the Jewish element of those roots is upturned and Israel is lost, then we are lost too. Whether we like it or not, our fate is inextricably intertwined.

Republicans Abroad
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This is bases on false premise.

The state of Israel was created by a decision of the UN. Its legitimacy, therefore, should not be in question.

The UN did not create Israel.

Israel is a fundamental part of the West. The West is what it is thanks to its Judeo-Christian roots.

Israel has been driving Christians out of their homes and off their land, sometimes killing them, since 1947. That continues today. What "Judeo-Christian roots" is he talking about?
 
"The condition has reached the stage where it might be diagnosed as an advanced case of demographomania.

"The mania, of course, is rooted in Zionist principles, in the need to maintain a Jewish majority capable of implementing a democracy that will absorb the Diaspora, accommodate pioneer settlement and the assumption of a common history, and that allows for the fetishisation of military service.

"For without any of the above Israel would have to practice government by the minority, which inevitably leads to apartheid or racial segregation, to government by a national minority that sees the state as the embodiment of its legitimacy.

"Such practices demand dual sets of legality.

Jose Aznar, former Prime Minister, Spain: If Israel Goes Down, We All Go Down


Republicans Abroad
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This is bases on false premise.

The state of Israel was created by a decision of the UN. Its legitimacy, therefore, should not be in question.

The UN did not create Israel.

Israel is a fundamental part of the West. The West is what it is thanks to its Judeo-Christian roots.

Israel has been driving Christians out of their homes and off their land, sometimes killing them, since 1947. That continues today. What "Judeo-Christian roots" is he talking about?

Er, no. You just made that up.

Khaled Abu Toameh: the Muslim Genocide of Christians Throughout The Middle East...
It is obvious by now that the Christians in the Middle East are an "endangered species." Christians in Arab countries are no longer being persecuted; they are now being slaughtered and driven out of their homes and lands. Those who for many years turned a blind eye to complaints about the persecution of Christians in the Middle East now owe the victims an apology. Now it is clear to all that these complaints were not "Jewish propaganda."

The war of genocide against Christians in the Middle East can no longer be treated as an "internal affair" of Iraq or Egypt or the Palestinians. What the West needs to understand is that radical Islam has declared jihad not only against Jews, but also against Christians. In Iraq, Egypt and the Palestinian territories, Christians are being targeted almost on a daily basis by Muslim fundamentalists and secular dictators.


Dozens of Arab Christians in Iraq have been killed in recent months in what seems to be well-planned campaign to drive them out of the country. Many Christian families have already begun fleeing Iraq out of fear for their lives. Some have chosen to start new lives in Jordan, while many others are expressing hope that they could be resettled in North America or Europe. In Egypt, the plight of the Coptic Christian minority appears to be worsening. Just this week, the Egyptian security forces killed a Coptic Christian man and wounded scores of others who were protesting against the government's intention to demolish a Christian-owned structure. Hardly a day passes without reports of violence against members of the Coptic Christian community in various parts of Egypt. Most of the attacks are carried out by Muslim fundamentalists.

According to the Barnabas Fund, an advocacy and charitable organization based in the United Kingdom, "Fears for the safety of Egyptian Christians are growing after a series of false allegations, violent threats and mass demonstrations against Christians in Egypt." Muslim anger was ignited by unfounded accusations that Egyptian Christians were aligned with Israel and stockpiling weapons in preparation for war against Muslims. The Barnabas Fund noted that Egyptian authorities have been accused of complicity for political reasons in the escalating sectarian crisis. Palestinian Christians have also been feeling the heat, although they their conditions remain much better than those of their brothers and sisters in Iraq and Egypt.

Last week, the Western-funded Palestinian Authority in the West Bank arrested a Christian journalist who reported about differences between Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and senior Fatah operative Mohammed Dahlan. The journalist, George Qanawati, manager of Radio Bethlehem 2000, was freed five days later. In the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip, the tiny Christian community is also living in fear following a spate of attacks by radical Islamic groups. The failure of the international community to pay enough attention to the dangers facing the Christians encouraged radical Muslims and corrupt dictatorships to step up their assaults on Christian individuals and institutions. When Muslim fanatics cannot kill Christian soldiers or civilians in the mountains of Afghanistan or on the streets of New York, they choose an easy prey: their Arab Christian neighbors.
The West, Islam and Sharia: Muslim Genocide of Christians Throughout Middle East
 
Jose Aznar, former Prime Minister, Spain: If Israel Goes Down, We All Go Down


Republicans Abroad
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This is bases on false premise.



The UN did not create Israel.



Israel has been driving Christians out of their homes and off their land, sometimes killing them, since 1947. That continues today. What "Judeo-Christian roots" is he talking about?

Er, no. You just made that up.

Khaled Abu Toameh: the Muslim Genocide of Christians Throughout The Middle East...
It is obvious by now that the Christians in the Middle East are an "endangered species." Christians in Arab countries are no longer being persecuted; they are now being slaughtered and driven out of their homes and lands. Those who for many years turned a blind eye to complaints about the persecution of Christians in the Middle East now owe the victims an apology. Now it is clear to all that these complaints were not "Jewish propaganda."

The war of genocide against Christians in the Middle East can no longer be treated as an "internal affair" of Iraq or Egypt or the Palestinians. What the West needs to understand is that radical Islam has declared jihad not only against Jews, but also against Christians. In Iraq, Egypt and the Palestinian territories, Christians are being targeted almost on a daily basis by Muslim fundamentalists and secular dictators.


Dozens of Arab Christians in Iraq have been killed in recent months in what seems to be well-planned campaign to drive them out of the country. Many Christian families have already begun fleeing Iraq out of fear for their lives. Some have chosen to start new lives in Jordan, while many others are expressing hope that they could be resettled in North America or Europe. In Egypt, the plight of the Coptic Christian minority appears to be worsening. Just this week, the Egyptian security forces killed a Coptic Christian man and wounded scores of others who were protesting against the government's intention to demolish a Christian-owned structure. Hardly a day passes without reports of violence against members of the Coptic Christian community in various parts of Egypt. Most of the attacks are carried out by Muslim fundamentalists.

According to the Barnabas Fund, an advocacy and charitable organization based in the United Kingdom, "Fears for the safety of Egyptian Christians are growing after a series of false allegations, violent threats and mass demonstrations against Christians in Egypt." Muslim anger was ignited by unfounded accusations that Egyptian Christians were aligned with Israel and stockpiling weapons in preparation for war against Muslims. The Barnabas Fund noted that Egyptian authorities have been accused of complicity for political reasons in the escalating sectarian crisis. Palestinian Christians have also been feeling the heat, although they their conditions remain much better than those of their brothers and sisters in Iraq and Egypt.

Last week, the Western-funded Palestinian Authority in the West Bank arrested a Christian journalist who reported about differences between Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and senior Fatah operative Mohammed Dahlan. The journalist, George Qanawati, manager of Radio Bethlehem 2000, was freed five days later. In the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip, the tiny Christian community is also living in fear following a spate of attacks by radical Islamic groups. The failure of the international community to pay enough attention to the dangers facing the Christians encouraged radical Muslims and corrupt dictatorships to step up their assaults on Christian individuals and institutions. When Muslim fanatics cannot kill Christian soldiers or civilians in the mountains of Afghanistan or on the streets of New York, they choose an easy prey: their Arab Christian neighbors.
The West, Islam and Sharia: Muslim Genocide of Christians Throughout Middle East

All that blabber does not have anything to do with my post that you referenced.
 
International Christian Embassy, Jerusalem...
Today, the ICEJ stands at the forefront of a growing mainstream movement of Christians worldwide who share a love and concern for Israel and an understanding of the biblical significance of the modern ingathering of the Jews to the land of their forefathers.

For nearly 30 years the ICEJ has stood by Israel, showing our support in a variety of ways, both in the land and around the world. We administer several aid projects, engage in advocacy for Israel, and assist in aliyah to the Jewish homeland

The ICEJ educates Christians all over the world about Israel's unique calling, political situation and social challenges. We are probably best known for annually hosting the Christian celebration of the Feast of Tabernacles that draws thousands of pilgrims to Jerusalem for teaching, worship and prayer. We also undertake speaking tours and conferences around the world and have an active young adults program, Grafted, to reach the next generation of Christian leaders

The ICEJ is called to confront the rising tide of hostility that threatens the nation of Israel and the Jewish community worldwide. Islamic extremism is not just a threat to Israel, but is responsible for the persecution of Christians and oppression of women throughout the Middle East. We are confronting anti-Semitism worldwide through advocacy, accurate news reports and education. We are reaching out in support to beleagured Palestinian Christians and African refugees who have fled Muslim warlords

International Christian Embassy Jerusalem: About us
 
International Christian Embassy, Jerusalem...
Today, the ICEJ stands at the forefront of a growing mainstream movement of Christians worldwide who share a love and concern for Israel and an understanding of the biblical significance of the modern ingathering of the Jews to the land of their forefathers.

For nearly 30 years the ICEJ has stood by Israel, showing our support in a variety of ways, both in the land and around the world. We administer several aid projects, engage in advocacy for Israel, and assist in aliyah to the Jewish homeland

The ICEJ educates Christians all over the world about Israel's unique calling, political situation and social challenges. We are probably best known for annually hosting the Christian celebration of the Feast of Tabernacles that draws thousands of pilgrims to Jerusalem for teaching, worship and prayer. We also undertake speaking tours and conferences around the world and have an active young adults program, Grafted, to reach the next generation of Christian leaders

The ICEJ is called to confront the rising tide of hostility that threatens the nation of Israel and the Jewish community worldwide. Islamic extremism is not just a threat to Israel, but is responsible for the persecution of Christians and oppression of women throughout the Middle East. We are confronting anti-Semitism worldwide through advocacy, accurate news reports and education. We are reaching out in support to beleagured Palestinian Christians and African refugees who have fled Muslim warlords

International Christian Embassy Jerusalem: About us

What do they say about Israel giving Christians the boot from the holy land?
 
International Christian Embassy, Jerusalem...
Today, the ICEJ stands at the forefront of a growing mainstream movement of Christians worldwide who share a love and concern for Israel and an understanding of the biblical significance of the modern ingathering of the Jews to the land of their forefathers.

For nearly 30 years the ICEJ has stood by Israel, showing our support in a variety of ways, both in the land and around the world. We administer several aid projects, engage in advocacy for Israel, and assist in aliyah to the Jewish homeland

The ICEJ educates Christians all over the world about Israel's unique calling, political situation and social challenges. We are probably best known for annually hosting the Christian celebration of the Feast of Tabernacles that draws thousands of pilgrims to Jerusalem for teaching, worship and prayer. We also undertake speaking tours and conferences around the world and have an active young adults program, Grafted, to reach the next generation of Christian leaders

The ICEJ is called to confront the rising tide of hostility that threatens the nation of Israel and the Jewish community worldwide. Islamic extremism is not just a threat to Israel, but is responsible for the persecution of Christians and oppression of women throughout the Middle East. We are confronting anti-Semitism worldwide through advocacy, accurate news reports and education. We are reaching out in support to beleagured Palestinian Christians and African refugees who have fled Muslim warlords

International Christian Embassy Jerusalem: About us

What do they say about Israel giving Christians the boot from the holy land?

They would say that you're lying given the Intl Christian Embassy is located in Israel.:cuckoo:
 
What do they say about Israel giving Christians the boot from the holy land?

They would say that you're lying given the Intl Christian Embassy is located in Israel.:cuckoo:

Must be those fake Christians. Or just duped by the propaganda.

Must be you're a congenital liar.

Susan M. Michael
US Director
International Christian Embassy Jerusalem...
We support Israel because we are Americans and we believe all Americans should support Israel. Israel is a democracy, and the only democracy in a region of totalitarian and repressive governments. Israel is a strong and loyal ally of the USA in a region where the word “ally” is a relative term. In America’s war against terrorism and in her stance for freedom from tyranny, she will never have a stronger more vital ally than Israel.
http://www.icej.org/
 
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At the time of the creation of the Israeli state in 1948, it is estimated that the Christians of Palestine numbered some 350,000. Almost 20 percent of the total population at the time, they constituted a vibrant and ancient community; their forbears had listened to St. Peter in Jerusalem as he preached at the first Pentecost. Yet Zionist doctrine held that Palestine was “a land without a people for a people without a land.” Of the 750,000 Palestinians that were forced from their homes in 1948, some 50,000 were Christians—7 percent of the total number of refugees and 35 percent of the total number of Christians living in Palestine at the time.

Christians find themselves under the hammer of the Israeli occupation to no less an extent than Muslims, yet America—supposedly a Christian country—stands idly by because its most politically influential Christians have decided that Palestinian Christians are acceptable collateral damage in their apocalyptic quest. “To be a Christian from the land of Christ is an honor,” says Abbas, a Palestinian Christian whose family lived in Jerusalem for many generations until the purge of 1948. “To be expelled from that land is an injury, and these Zionist Christians in America add insult.” Abbas is one of the handful of Palestinian Christians that could be described as Evangelical, belonging to a group that appears to be distantly related to the Plymouth Brethren. Cherishing the role of devil’s advocate, I had to ask him, “Is the State of Israel not in fact the fulfillment of God’s promise and a necessary step in the second coming of Christ?” Abbas looked at me briefly and laughed. “You’re kidding, right? You know what they do to our people and our land. If I thought that was part of God’s plan, I’d be an atheist in a second.”

The American Conservative -- Forgotten Christians
 

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