Arctic ice thins dramatically

[Chris]

For instance, during the warmest part of 2010, the total amount of Arctic sea ice -- the so-called "seasonal minimum" -- was the third-smallest ever recorded. The smallest and second-smallest seasonal minimums were measured in 2007 and 2008, respectively. Natural variability, including factors like cloud cover, can easily explain differences in melting from year to year, Stroeve notes. But the big news is that the smallest amounts of Arctic sea ice ever measured have all occurred in recent years. "Basically, ever since 2002, we've had one pronounced record minimum after another," she says. "The data all point to a strong warming signal."

Stroeve explains that highly reliable data on the extent of Arctic sea ice has been collected since 1978. From then until now, she has found clear evidence of a 30-year melting trend, which, she says, "cannot be easily explained away by natural variability." But her work is even more notable for its findings about the speed of the change. Over this same 30 years, a relatively brief period, Stroeve has found that some 40 percent of the region's summer (or more precisely, September) ice has melted.

The fast pace of melting is seen even more dramatically, she explains, when one considers the age of the Arctic ice. Many parts of the Arctic Ocean freeze each year during the coldest months. But only ice that lasts throughout the year gradually becomes thicker over the course of consecutive seasons. "In the 1980s, the Arctic contained roughly 386,000 square miles of ice that was determined to be at least five years old," she says. Now, "at the end of the melt season in September, only 22,000 square miles of such older, thicker ice remains." In other words, the region has already lost more than 97 percent of the thicker year-round ice that existed just three decades ago. As she explains, "all the climatic processes seem to be pushing rapidly toward a seasonally ice-free Arctic Ocean."

Measuring fast-melting Arctic sea ice | Meet the minds behind all that climate change data | Grist

 

[mdn2000]

For instance, during the warmest part of 2010, the total amount of Arctic sea ice -- the so-called "seasonal minimum" -- was the third-smallest ever recorded. The smallest and second-smallest seasonal minimums were measured in 2007 and 2008, respectively. Natural variability, including factors like cloud cover, can easily explain differences in melting from year to year, Stroeve notes. But the big news is that the smallest amounts of Arctic sea ice ever measured have all occurred in recent years. "Basically, ever since 2002, we've had one pronounced record minimum after another," she says. "The data all point to a strong warming signal."

Stroeve explains that highly reliable data on the extent of Arctic sea ice has been collected since 1978. From then until now, she has found clear evidence of a 30-year melting trend, which, she says, "cannot be easily explained away by natural variability." But her work is even more notable for its findings about the speed of the change. Over this same 30 years, a relatively brief period, Stroeve has found that some 40 percent of the region's summer (or more precisely, September) ice has melted.

The fast pace of melting is seen even more dramatically, she explains, when one considers the age of the Arctic ice. Many parts of the Arctic Ocean freeze each year during the coldest months. But only ice that lasts throughout the year gradually becomes thicker over the course of consecutive seasons. "In the 1980s, the Arctic contained roughly 386,000 square miles of ice that was determined to be at least five years old," she says. Now, "at the end of the melt season in September, only 22,000 square miles of such older, thicker ice remains." In other words, the region has already lost more than 97 percent of the thicker year-round ice that existed just three decades ago. As she explains, "all the climatic processes seem to be pushing rapidly toward a seasonally ice-free Arctic Ocean."

Measuring fast-melting Arctic sea ice | Meet the minds behind all that climate change data | Grist

Yes, thank you Chris.

Julienne Stroeve is hot, look at her face, a Goddess. Chris really did her a disservice when he meticulously performed his cut and paste (chris is a one-fingered typer hence no commentary or insight of Chris's own).

The Goddess of Global Warming, pretty cheesy how they make her look like a slut to promote Global Warming. Too bad Julienne isn't Brazilian, the Brazilian women wear very little in that hot, tropical, heat.

 

[SFC Ollie]

So much gets blamed on Global warming/climate change. Why even the Amazon river is drying up. Never happened before? Wrong they have discovered drawings that are some 5000 years old. So 5000 years ago the river was as low or lower. Global warming? I doubt it.

 

[Chris]

The temperature is rising again in the Arctic, with the sea ice extent dropping to one of the lowest levels on record, climate scientists reported Thursday.
The new Arctic Report Card "tells a story of widespread, continued and even dramatic effects of a warming Arctic," said Jackie Richter-Menge of the Cold Regions Research and Engineering Laboratory, a U.S. Army Corps of Engineers facility.

"This isn't just a climatological effect. It impacts the people that live there," she added.

Atmospheric scientists concerned about global warming focus on the Arctic because that is a region where the effects are expected to be felt first, and that has been the case in recent years.

There was a slowdown in Arctic warming in 2009, but in the first half of 2010 warming has been near a record pace, with monthly readings over 4 degrees Celsius (7.2 Fahrenheit) above normal in northern Canada, according to the report card released Thursday.

Sci-Tech Today | Sea Ice Melting as Arctic Temperature Rises

 

[mdn2000]

I guess given the lack of rebuttal its settled, man has no effect on sea ice.

 

[Chris]

An array of indicators, from record-high temperatures in Greenland to thinning sea ice and record decreases in snow cover, all suggest the Arctic is heating up, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's annual assessment.

NOAA's Arctic Report Card, based on the work of 69 international researchers and 176 published scientific references, highlights Greenland's warmer temperatures, ice melt and glacier-area loss and the Arctic's thinnest snow cover since record-keeping began 44 years ago.

Summer sea ice also continues to decline, the report said. The 2010 summer sea ice cover was the third-smallest since satellite monitoring began in 1979, and this year's minimum for sea-ice thickness was the third-lowest recorded in three decades.

Arctic seems to grow warmer, based on rising temperatures and thinning sea ice

 

[skookerasbil]

On average

there is a 100 year weather event of every variety (hurricane, drought, record rainfall, hail, tornado, etc)

across 40,000 sq miles of the earth's surface (an area larger than the state of Maine)

every single day.

On average

there is a 10 year weather event of every variety (hurricane, drought, record rainfall, hail, tornado, etc)

across 40,000 sq miles of the earth's surface (an area larger than the state of Maine)

10 times

every single day.

Freak weather has always been the norm

and will never be the exception

Chris is either a lying sack of shit.....

Or he is posting drunk!

he's a globalist asshole who hates his own country......a common theme amongst all the environmental k00ks. This guy Chris is particularly disconnected though.......a real OCD oddball.

 

[skookerasbil]

These days have become particularly fun around here when Antagon comes in here for a cup of coffee and blows away these k00ks with raw astuteness.

 

[Chris]

Hundreds of polar bears were spotted on the west coast of Hudson Bay earlier this week, waiting for ice that is almost a month late forming.

But a fierce storm in the region Thursday has temperatures dropping and ice forming, which could be good news for the bears. "It's just howling," Luc Desjardins, of the Canadian Ice Service, says of the storm that could change the fortunes of the hungry bears.

Until the storm hit, record-breaking conditions in the western Arctic this fall had kept the ice at bay. Temperatures up to 14 C above normal in one Arctic region in November prevented the formation of ice which was almost a month behind schedule as of Monday, says Desjardins.

Hungry polar bears loiter on Hudson Bay coast waiting for ice

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Once again your thread proves that the ice is increasing. From the supposed lowest level, the next was 2nd lowest. As in MORE ice then the previous year. And now we have 3rd lowest. Again an increase in ice from the second lowest.

Thanks for proving the ice is growing.

 

[mdn2000]

Hundreds of polar bears were spotted on the west coast of Hudson Bay earlier this week, waiting for ice that is almost a month late forming.

But a fierce storm in the region Thursday has temperatures dropping and ice forming, which could be good news for the bears. "It's just howling," Luc Desjardins, of the Canadian Ice Service, says of the storm that could change the fortunes of the hungry bears.

Until the storm hit, record-breaking conditions in the western Arctic this fall had kept the ice at bay. Temperatures up to 14 C above normal in one Arctic region in November prevented the formation of ice which was almost a month behind schedule as of Monday, says Desjardins.

Hungry polar bears loiter on Hudson Bay coast waiting for ice

How do the bears get news, radio, televison, or the paper, must be radio, I think a TV or paper would be difficult to view with the glare off the snow.

 

[IanC]

the penguins have been happy with all the extra ice in the Antartic over the last decade.

 

[mdn2000]

the penguins have been happy with all the extra ice in the Antartic over the last decade.

That is not important.

How do the Penguins feel, being Polar Bear food and now the Polar Bear's get sympathy because the ice does what ice does, melt. (are there Penguins at the north pole)

Its kind of fucked up being a Penguin. Its unequal distribution of sympathy. I have yet to see one liberal say one good thing about Penguins.

 

[IanC]

I think Polar Bears only get to eat Penguins in Pixar CGI studios. Mind you, those computer programs work a lot better than the climate model ones.

 

[Old Rocks]

the penguins have been happy with all the extra ice in the Antartic over the last decade.

That is not important.

How do the Penguins feel, being Polar Bear food and now the Polar Bear's get sympathy because the ice does what ice does, melt. (are there Penguins at the north pole)

Its kind of fucked up being a Penguin. Its unequal distribution of sympathy. I have yet to see one liberal say one good thing about Penguins.

Egad, you are trully a dumb fuck. No polar bears in the southern hemisphere, no penguins in the northern hemisphere.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

the penguins have been happy with all the extra ice in the Antartic over the last decade.

That is not important.

How do the Penguins feel, being Polar Bear food and now the Polar Bear's get sympathy because the ice does what ice does, melt. (are there Penguins at the north pole)

Its kind of fucked up being a Penguin. Its unequal distribution of sympathy. I have yet to see one liberal say one good thing about Penguins.

Egad, you are trully a dumb fuck. No polar bears in the southern hemisphere, no penguins in the northern hemisphere.

Hey brain dead? How do you like that your buddy keeps proving that the ice is getting thicker and more of it?

 

[Old Rocks]

the penguins have been happy with all the extra ice in the Antartic over the last decade.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png

Anomaly for Antarctic

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.arctic.png

Anomaly for Arctic. Note the differance in the steepness of the curve? And look at the curve for the total sea ice

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg

 

[Old Rocks]

That is not important.

How do the Penguins feel, being Polar Bear food and now the Polar Bear's get sympathy because the ice does what ice does, melt. (are there Penguins at the north pole)

Its kind of fucked up being a Penguin. Its unequal distribution of sympathy. I have yet to see one liberal say one good thing about Penguins.

Egad, you are trully a dumb fuck. No polar bears in the southern hemisphere, no penguins in the northern hemisphere.

Hey brain dead? How do you like that your buddy keeps proving that the ice is getting thicker and more of it?

Another dumb fuck. No, the Arctic Sea Ice is not getting thicker.

Melting Arctic Ice: What Satellite Images Don't See - TIME

Barber was aboard the Canadian research icebreaker Amundsen, checking on ice in the Beaufort Sea north of Alaska and Western Canada. The ship was well inside a region the satellites said should be choked with thick, multiyear-old ice. "That's pretty much a no-go zone for an icebreaker of the Amundsen's size," says Barber. But the ship kept going, at a brisk 13 knots — its top speed in open water is 13.7 knots — and even when it finally reached thick ice, he says, "we could still penetrate it easily."

In short, as Barber and his colleagues explain in a recent paper in Geophysical Review Letters, the analysis of what the satellites were seeing was wrong. Some of what satellites identified as thick, melt-resistant multiyear ice turned out to be, in Barber's words, "full of holes, like Swiss cheese. We haven't seen this sort of thing before."



Read more: Melting Arctic Ice: What Satellite Images Don't See - TIME

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Egad, you are trully a dumb fuck. No polar bears in the southern hemisphere, no penguins in the northern hemisphere.

Hey brain dead? How do you like that your buddy keeps proving that the ice is getting thicker and more of it?

Another dumb fuck. No, the Arctic Sea Ice is not getting thicker.

Melting Arctic Ice: What Satellite Images Don't See - TIME

Barber was aboard the Canadian research icebreaker Amundsen, checking on ice in the Beaufort Sea north of Alaska and Western Canada. The ship was well inside a region the satellites said should be choked with thick, multiyear-old ice. "That's pretty much a no-go zone for an icebreaker of the Amundsen's size," says Barber. But the ship kept going, at a brisk 13 knots — its top speed in open water is 13.7 knots — and even when it finally reached thick ice, he says, "we could still penetrate it easily."

In short, as Barber and his colleagues explain in a recent paper in Geophysical Review Letters, the analysis of what the satellites were seeing was wrong. Some of what satellites identified as thick, melt-resistant multiyear ice turned out to be, in Barber's words, "full of holes, like Swiss cheese. We haven't seen this sort of thing before."



Read more: Melting Arctic Ice: What Satellite Images Don't See - TIME

And yet this very thread proves it is getting thicker and more of it.

There was a year where you all pointed out according to satellite images and measures the sea ice was the LOWEST it had been in that 30 year window. The next year the sea ice was the SECOND lowest, as it it GAINED ice and was not a new low. Then we have this, the next year the sea ice was the third lowest in that window, as in thicker the the second lowest and thicker then the LOWEST.

Retard.

 

[Chris]