Arctic ice thins dramatically

[RollingThunder]

This is HMS Tireless in 1991....at the North Pole.....notice anything?

Yeah, dumbass, I notice the same thing everybody notices every time you post these pictures. We notice submarines surfacing in what are called 'leads' or 'polynas', which you are too deliberately ignorant or utterly brainwashed to acknowledge no matter how many times your delusion is debunked with actual evidence that holes in the Arctic ice sea ice are common occurrences and not some kind of 'proof' of your idiotic contention that the north pole was 'just as warm before so the current melting is nothing new'. How long will you keep repeating this delusion when the evidence that you're wrong is being shoved in your face, you silly retard?

Lead (sea ice)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Leads are stretches of open water within fields of sea ice.[1] Leads are caused by movements of the ice due to wind, or to currents in the underlying water, and may open and close again within a brief period; alternatively they may remain open more or less permanently. The so-called "Big Lead", off the North Greenland coast, was discovered in 1906 by Robert Peary on his first (unsuccessful) North Polar trek, and was still there when he made his second attempt in 1909.


Notice carefully the last item in this encyclopedia entry.

Polynya
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A polynya (common US spelling) or polynia (common UK spelling) (pronounced /pəˈlɪnjə/) is an area of open water surrounded by sea ice.[1] It is now used as geographical term for areas of sea in Arctic or Antarctic regions which remain unfrozen for much of the year. It is a loanword from Russian: полынья, Russian pronunciation: [pəlɨˈnʲja] (polynya or polynia), which means a natural ice hole, and was adopted in the 19th century by polar explorers to describe navigable portions of the sea.[2][3] In past decades, for example, some polynyas, such as the Weddell Polynya, have lasted over multiple winters (1974–1976).[4]

Contents
* 1 Formation
* 2 Ecology
* 3 Arctic navigation

Formation

Polynyas are formed through two main processes:

* The first mechanism for polynya formation is thermodynamically driven, and occurs when the surface water temperature never reaches the freezing point. This may be due to a region of warm water upwelling, which reduces ice production and may stop it altogether. This type of polynya is called a Sensible Heat Polynya.

* The second type of polynya is called a Latent Heat Polynya and is formed through the action of katabatic wind or ocean currents which act to drive ice away from a fixed boundary, such as a coastline, fast ice, or an ice bridge. The polynya forms initially by the first year pack ice being driven away from the coast, which leaves an area of open water within which new ice is formed. This new ice is then also herded downwind toward the first year pack ice. When it reaches the pack ice the new ice is consolidated onto the first year pack ice. The latent heat polynya is the open water region between the coast and the first year ice pack.

Latent heat polynyas are regions of high ice production and therefore are possible sites of dense water production in both polar regions. The high ice production rates within these polynyas leads to a large amount of brine rejection into the surface waters. This salty water then sinks and mixes to possibly form new water masses. It is an open question as to whether the polynyas of the Arctic can produce enough dense water to form a major portion of the dense water required to drive the thermohaline circulation.

Arctic navigation

When submarines of the U.S. Navy made expeditions to the North Pole in the 1950s and 60s, there was a significant concern about surfacing through the thick pack ice of the Arctic Ocean. In 1962, both the USS Skate and USS Seadragon surfaced within the same, large polynya near the North Pole, for the first polar rendezvous of the U.S. Atlantic Fleet and the U.S. Pacific Fleet.[6]


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[skookerasbil]

Well no, we are not losing, the whole world is losing. By the time you idiots realize that things are no longer what they were, it will be too late. And by the looks of the present speed of change, I am going to be around to see that. Ten years ago, I would have said that was too far into the future, but events are unfolding at a much faster rate than predicted.

No, the whole world is carrying on as it has for the last four and a half billion years. You clowns crack me up with your incessant hand wringing and claims of impending doom. Get your sandwhich boards out and go stand on the corner like you used to telling us about the coming end of the world...

West......do you realize that Rolling Thunder has posted up that same exact gay post 47 times in the past 3 months alone!!! This guy and Chris with his perseverative posts in this forum every day. Whats that famous bumper sticker about liberalism???

 

[skookerasbil]

mental disorders are only gay if you reject pharmachological aids.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Well no, we are not losing, the whole world is losing. By the time you idiots realize that things are no longer what they were, it will be too late. And by the looks of the present speed of change, I am going to be around to see that. Ten years ago, I would have said that was too far into the future, but events are unfolding at a much faster rate than predicted.

If it happens, then it happens. If the skeptics turn out wrong ,and the most extreme things the warmers say occurs, then we can always get drunk out of our minds as it is going down!

 

[RollingThunder]

mental disorders are only gay if you reject pharmachological(sic) aids.

Well, you're certainly the first hand expert on mental disorders, kooker. Also, judging from the number of times you use the word, you seem to be a first hand expert on being gay. Now if you only had a brain.....

 

[gslack]

This is HMS Tireless in 1991....at the North Pole.....notice anything?

Yeah, dumbass, I notice the same thing everybody notices every time you post these pictures. We notice submarines surfacing in what are called 'leads' or 'polynas', which you are too deliberately ignorant or utterly brainwashed to acknowledge no matter how many times your delusion is debunked with actual evidence that holes in the Arctic ice sea ice are common occurrences and not some kind of 'proof' of your idiotic contention that the north pole was 'just as warm before so the current melting is nothing new'. How long will you keep repeating this delusion when the evidence that you're wrong is being shoved in your face, you silly retard?

Lead (sea ice)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Leads are stretches of open water within fields of sea ice.[1] Leads are caused by movements of the ice due to wind, or to currents in the underlying water, and may open and close again within a brief period; alternatively they may remain open more or less permanently. The so-called "Big Lead", off the North Greenland coast, was discovered in 1906 by Robert Peary on his first (unsuccessful) North Polar trek, and was still there when he made his second attempt in 1909.


Notice carefully the last item in this encyclopedia entry.

Polynya
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A polynya (common US spelling) or polynia (common UK spelling) (pronounced /pəˈlɪnjə/) is an area of open water surrounded by sea ice.[1] It is now used as geographical term for areas of sea in Arctic or Antarctic regions which remain unfrozen for much of the year. It is a loanword from Russian: полынья, Russian pronunciation: [pəlɨˈnʲja] (polynya or polynia), which means a natural ice hole, and was adopted in the 19th century by polar explorers to describe navigable portions of the sea.[2][3] In past decades, for example, some polynyas, such as the Weddell Polynya, have lasted over multiple winters (1974–1976).[4]

Contents
* 1 Formation
* 2 Ecology
* 3 Arctic navigation

Formation

Polynyas are formed through two main processes:

* The first mechanism for polynya formation is thermodynamically driven, and occurs when the surface water temperature never reaches the freezing point. This may be due to a region of warm water upwelling, which reduces ice production and may stop it altogether. This type of polynya is called a Sensible Heat Polynya.

* The second type of polynya is called a Latent Heat Polynya and is formed through the action of katabatic wind or ocean currents which act to drive ice away from a fixed boundary, such as a coastline, fast ice, or an ice bridge. The polynya forms initially by the first year pack ice being driven away from the coast, which leaves an area of open water within which new ice is formed. This new ice is then also herded downwind toward the first year pack ice. When it reaches the pack ice the new ice is consolidated onto the first year pack ice. The latent heat polynya is the open water region between the coast and the first year ice pack.

Latent heat polynyas are regions of high ice production and therefore are possible sites of dense water production in both polar regions. The high ice production rates within these polynyas leads to a large amount of brine rejection into the surface waters. This salty water then sinks and mixes to possibly form new water masses. It is an open question as to whether the polynyas of the Arctic can produce enough dense water to form a major portion of the dense water required to drive the thermohaline circulation.

Arctic navigation

When submarines of the U.S. Navy made expeditions to the North Pole in the 1950s and 60s, there was a significant concern about surfacing through the thick pack ice of the Arctic Ocean. In 1962, both the USS Skate and USS Seadragon surfaced within the same, large polynya near the North Pole, for the first polar rendezvous of the U.S. Atlantic Fleet and the U.S. Pacific Fleet.[6]


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Well thank you for googling up a nice bit of wikkipedia for us all, but I have to say one thing to it...

SO WHAT? The names of the spaces between sea ice is about as pertinent as your last several BS posts...

1. If the subs surfaced inside of a lead or a polynya what caused the polynya? Oh I know perhaps it was warmer? LOL, you freaking idiots crack me up. Yeah it gets warmer and the ice melts and melts in strange ways, and its done so since they been there. None of it is evidence of global warming..

2. As your own wikki link contends, in 1909 and as far as 1906 there where leads. Kind of funny you tried to make an argument for AGW causing wild sea ice melting, then in your eagerness to win a argument over submarines surfacing inside sea ice, you bring evidence that proves these such occurrences are not only uneventful but given the fact they have been observed since the early 1900's you just killed your own AGW claim.... Nice work man!

LOL, care to help stomp out algorian BS, be my guest just try and let us know who's side your on..

 

[westwall]

Well no, we are not losing, the whole world is losing. By the time you idiots realize that things are no longer what they were, it will be too late. And by the looks of the present speed of change, I am going to be around to see that. Ten years ago, I would have said that was too far into the future, but events are unfolding at a much faster rate than predicted.

If it happens, then it happens. If the skeptics turn out wrong ,and the most extreme things the warmers say occurs, then we can always get drunk out of our minds as it is going down!

And let's say the worst case scenario happens. What really happens? Let's postulate a rise to MWP levels so 2.5 C over where we are now (more then what most warmers are claiming). What terrible thing will happen?

 

[westwall]

mental disorders are only gay if you reject pharmachological(sic) aids.

Well, you're certainly the first hand expert on mental disorders, kooker. Also, judging from the number of times you use the word, you seem to be a first hand expert on being gay. Now if you only had a brain.....

His brain is able enough to follow simple rules. Why can't your brain do that?

 

[RollingThunder]

This is HMS Tireless in 1991....at the North Pole.....notice anything?

Yeah, dumbass, I notice the same thing everybody notices every time you post these pictures. We notice submarines surfacing in what are called 'leads' or 'polynas', which you are too deliberately ignorant or utterly brainwashed to acknowledge no matter how many times your delusion is debunked with actual evidence that holes in the Arctic ice sea ice are common occurrences and not some kind of 'proof' of your idiotic contention that the north pole was 'just as warm before so the current melting is nothing new'. How long will you keep repeating this delusion when the evidence that you're wrong is being shoved in your face, you silly retard?

Lead (sea ice)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Leads are stretches of open water within fields of sea ice.[1] Leads are caused by movements of the ice due to wind, or to currents in the underlying water, and may open and close again within a brief period; alternatively they may remain open more or less permanently. The so-called "Big Lead", off the North Greenland coast, was discovered in 1906 by Robert Peary on his first (unsuccessful) North Polar trek, and was still there when he made his second attempt in 1909.


Notice carefully the last item in this encyclopedia entry.

Polynya
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A polynya (common US spelling) or polynia (common UK spelling) (pronounced /pəˈlɪnjə/) is an area of open water surrounded by sea ice.[1] It is now used as geographical term for areas of sea in Arctic or Antarctic regions which remain unfrozen for much of the year. It is a loanword from Russian: полынья, Russian pronunciation: [pəlɨˈnʲja] (polynya or polynia), which means a natural ice hole, and was adopted in the 19th century by polar explorers to describe navigable portions of the sea.[2][3] In past decades, for example, some polynyas, such as the Weddell Polynya, have lasted over multiple winters (1974–1976).[4]

Contents
* 1 Formation
* 2 Ecology
* 3 Arctic navigation

Formation

Polynyas are formed through two main processes:

* The first mechanism for polynya formation is thermodynamically driven, and occurs when the surface water temperature never reaches the freezing point. This may be due to a region of warm water upwelling, which reduces ice production and may stop it altogether. This type of polynya is called a Sensible Heat Polynya.

* The second type of polynya is called a Latent Heat Polynya and is formed through the action of katabatic wind or ocean currents which act to drive ice away from a fixed boundary, such as a coastline, fast ice, or an ice bridge. The polynya forms initially by the first year pack ice being driven away from the coast, which leaves an area of open water within which new ice is formed. This new ice is then also herded downwind toward the first year pack ice. When it reaches the pack ice the new ice is consolidated onto the first year pack ice. The latent heat polynya is the open water region between the coast and the first year ice pack.

Latent heat polynyas are regions of high ice production and therefore are possible sites of dense water production in both polar regions. The high ice production rates within these polynyas leads to a large amount of brine rejection into the surface waters. This salty water then sinks and mixes to possibly form new water masses. It is an open question as to whether the polynyas of the Arctic can produce enough dense water to form a major portion of the dense water required to drive the thermohaline circulation.

Arctic navigation

When submarines of the U.S. Navy made expeditions to the North Pole in the 1950s and 60s, there was a significant concern about surfacing through the thick pack ice of the Arctic Ocean. In 1962, both the USS Skate and USS Seadragon surfaced within the same, large polynya near the North Pole, for the first polar rendezvous of the U.S. Atlantic Fleet and the U.S. Pacific Fleet.[6]


***

Well thank you for googling up a nice bit of wikkipedia for us all, but I have to say one thing to it...

Yeah, slackjawedidiot, you 'say' the one thing you always unconsciously proclaim with your posts - that you are a silly retard who has no idea what's going on or what people are saying.

SO WHAT? The names of the spaces between sea ice is about as pertinent as your last several BS posts...

Well, slackjawed, where retards like you see only "names", normal people can see definitions pertinent to the discussion. A normal un-retarded person would have read the definitions and understood that it is the winds and ocean currents that move the ice and pile it up and leave small openings in the sea ice cover.

1. If the subs surfaced inside of a lead or a polynya what caused the polynya? Oh I know perhaps it was warmer?

As the definitions I just posted said (which you, as usual, are far too retarded to comprehend), there are two ways that polynyas or leads form. One way can be an upwelling of warmer water in certain spots (not a general warming of the whole Arctic region as you're hallucinating), and the other way involves wind and ocean currents pushing the ice and piling it up in one area and leaving small holes in the ice cover elsewhere.

LOL, you freaking idiots crack me up. Yeah it gets warmer and the ice melts and melts in strange ways, and its done so since they been there. None of it is evidence of global warming..

2. As your own wikki link contends, in 1909 and as far as 1906 there where leads. Kind of funny you tried to make an argument for AGW causing wild sea ice melting, then in your eagerness to win a argument over submarines surfacing inside sea ice, you bring evidence that proves these such occurrences are not only uneventful but given the fact they have been observed since the early 1900's you just killed your own AGW claim.... Nice work man!

LOL, care to help stomp out algorian BS, be my guest just try and let us know who's side your on..

LOLOLOLOLOLOLO.......I know it's not nice to laugh at the handicapped, but you are such a complete moron, it is hilarious to watch your mental gyrations. It's like watching a one-legged man with a broken knee in an ass kicking contest with Paul Bunyan.

The walleyedretard keeps posting pictures of submarines surfacing in polynyas near the north pole in the sixties as evidence that the current melting is nothing new and has no significance. LOL. I posted information showing that such openings are the product of normal conditions in the Arctic and have always been there. Those polynyas are not evidence of global warming, either now or in the past. The disappearance of over 7.5 million square kilometers of the ice cap over the last thirty years is the evidence for global warming/climate change. The opening of the northeast and northwest passages to commercial shipping for the first time in human history is evidence. The massive and increasing ice loss from Greenland and the Alaskan glaciers is evidence. The melting of the permafrost over huge areas of Alaska, Canada and Siberia for the first time in human history is evidence.

Too bad you and walleyed are such clueless fools. It must suck to be that retarded.

 

[westwall]

Yeah, dumbass, I notice the same thing everybody notices every time you post these pictures. We notice submarines surfacing in what are called 'leads' or 'polynas', which you are too deliberately ignorant or utterly brainwashed to acknowledge no matter how many times your delusion is debunked with actual evidence that holes in the Arctic ice sea ice are common occurrences and not some kind of 'proof' of your idiotic contention that the north pole was 'just as warm before so the current melting is nothing new'. How long will you keep repeating this delusion when the evidence that you're wrong is being shoved in your face, you silly retard?

Lead (sea ice)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Leads are stretches of open water within fields of sea ice.[1] Leads are caused by movements of the ice due to wind, or to currents in the underlying water, and may open and close again within a brief period; alternatively they may remain open more or less permanently. The so-called "Big Lead", off the North Greenland coast, was discovered in 1906 by Robert Peary on his first (unsuccessful) North Polar trek, and was still there when he made his second attempt in 1909.


Notice carefully the last item in this encyclopedia entry.

Polynya
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A polynya (common US spelling) or polynia (common UK spelling) (pronounced /pəˈlɪnjə/) is an area of open water surrounded by sea ice.[1] It is now used as geographical term for areas of sea in Arctic or Antarctic regions which remain unfrozen for much of the year. It is a loanword from Russian: полынья, Russian pronunciation: [pəlɨˈnʲja] (polynya or polynia), which means a natural ice hole, and was adopted in the 19th century by polar explorers to describe navigable portions of the sea.[2][3] In past decades, for example, some polynyas, such as the Weddell Polynya, have lasted over multiple winters (1974–1976).[4]

Contents
* 1 Formation
* 2 Ecology
* 3 Arctic navigation

Formation

Polynyas are formed through two main processes:

* The first mechanism for polynya formation is thermodynamically driven, and occurs when the surface water temperature never reaches the freezing point. This may be due to a region of warm water upwelling, which reduces ice production and may stop it altogether. This type of polynya is called a Sensible Heat Polynya.

* The second type of polynya is called a Latent Heat Polynya and is formed through the action of katabatic wind or ocean currents which act to drive ice away from a fixed boundary, such as a coastline, fast ice, or an ice bridge. The polynya forms initially by the first year pack ice being driven away from the coast, which leaves an area of open water within which new ice is formed. This new ice is then also herded downwind toward the first year pack ice. When it reaches the pack ice the new ice is consolidated onto the first year pack ice. The latent heat polynya is the open water region between the coast and the first year ice pack.

Latent heat polynyas are regions of high ice production and therefore are possible sites of dense water production in both polar regions. The high ice production rates within these polynyas leads to a large amount of brine rejection into the surface waters. This salty water then sinks and mixes to possibly form new water masses. It is an open question as to whether the polynyas of the Arctic can produce enough dense water to form a major portion of the dense water required to drive the thermohaline circulation.

Arctic navigation

When submarines of the U.S. Navy made expeditions to the North Pole in the 1950s and 60s, there was a significant concern about surfacing through the thick pack ice of the Arctic Ocean. In 1962, both the USS Skate and USS Seadragon surfaced within the same, large polynya near the North Pole, for the first polar rendezvous of the U.S. Atlantic Fleet and the U.S. Pacific Fleet.[6]


***

Well thank you for googling up a nice bit of wikkipedia for us all, but I have to say one thing to it...

Yeah, slackjawedidiot, you 'say' the one thing you always unconsciously proclaim with your posts - that you are a silly retard who has no idea what's going on or what people are saying.






Well, slackjawed, where retards like you see only "names", normal people can see definitions pertinent to the discussion. A normal un-retarded person would have read the definitions and understood that it is the winds and ocean currents that move the ice and pile it up and leave small openings in the sea ice cover.

1. If the subs surfaced inside of a lead or a polynya what caused the polynya? Oh I know perhaps it was warmer?

As the definitions I just posted said (which you, as usual, are far too retarded to comprehend), there are two ways that polynyas or leads form. One way can be an upwelling of warmer water in certain spots (not a general warming of the whole Arctic region as you're hallucinating), and the other way involves wind and ocean currents pushing the ice and piling it up in one area and leaving small holes in the ice cover elsewhere.

LOL, you freaking idiots crack me up. Yeah it gets warmer and the ice melts and melts in strange ways, and its done so since they been there. None of it is evidence of global warming..

2. As your own wikki link contends, in 1909 and as far as 1906 there where leads. Kind of funny you tried to make an argument for AGW causing wild sea ice melting, then in your eagerness to win a argument over submarines surfacing inside sea ice, you bring evidence that proves these such occurrences are not only uneventful but given the fact they have been observed since the early 1900's you just killed your own AGW claim.... Nice work man!

LOL, care to help stomp out algorian BS, be my guest just try and let us know who's side your on..

LOLOLOLOLOLOLO.......I know it's not nice to laugh at the handicapped, but you are such a complete moron, it is hilarious to watch your mental gyrations. It's like watching a one-legged man with a broken knee in an ass kicking contest with Paul Bunyan.

The walleyedretard keeps posting pictures of submarines surfacing in polynyas near the north pole in the sixties as evidence that the current melting is nothing new and has no significance. LOL. I posted information showing that such openings are the product of normal conditions in the Arctic and have always been there. Those polynyas are not evidence of global warming, either now or in the past. The disappearance of over 7.5 million square kilometers of the ice cap over the last thirty years is the evidence for global warming/climate change. The opening of the northeast and northwest passages to commercial shipping for the first time in human history is evidence. The massive and increasing ice loss from Greenland and the Alaskan glaciers is evidence. The melting of the permafrost over huge areas of Alaska, Canada and Siberia for the first time in human history is evidence.

Too bad you and walleyed are such clueless fools. It must suck to be that retarded.

You're the only one proving to be a moron. We are allways saying that this is nothing unusual. You say it is. Proove it. You claim the sea ice is at an all time low. We have shown how those claims were made before and lo and behold they were wrong....just....like.....you....are.....today.

 

[gslack]

Yeah, dumbass, I notice the same thing everybody notices every time you post these pictures. We notice submarines surfacing in what are called 'leads' or 'polynas', which you are too deliberately ignorant or utterly brainwashed to acknowledge no matter how many times your delusion is debunked with actual evidence that holes in the Arctic ice sea ice are common occurrences and not some kind of 'proof' of your idiotic contention that the north pole was 'just as warm before so the current melting is nothing new'. How long will you keep repeating this delusion when the evidence that you're wrong is being shoved in your face, you silly retard?

Lead (sea ice)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Leads are stretches of open water within fields of sea ice.[1] Leads are caused by movements of the ice due to wind, or to currents in the underlying water, and may open and close again within a brief period; alternatively they may remain open more or less permanently. The so-called "Big Lead", off the North Greenland coast, was discovered in 1906 by Robert Peary on his first (unsuccessful) North Polar trek, and was still there when he made his second attempt in 1909.


Notice carefully the last item in this encyclopedia entry.

Polynya
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A polynya (common US spelling) or polynia (common UK spelling) (pronounced /pəˈlɪnjə/) is an area of open water surrounded by sea ice.[1] It is now used as geographical term for areas of sea in Arctic or Antarctic regions which remain unfrozen for much of the year. It is a loanword from Russian: полынья, Russian pronunciation: [pəlɨˈnʲja] (polynya or polynia), which means a natural ice hole, and was adopted in the 19th century by polar explorers to describe navigable portions of the sea.[2][3] In past decades, for example, some polynyas, such as the Weddell Polynya, have lasted over multiple winters (1974–1976).[4]

Contents
* 1 Formation
* 2 Ecology
* 3 Arctic navigation

Formation

Polynyas are formed through two main processes:

* The first mechanism for polynya formation is thermodynamically driven, and occurs when the surface water temperature never reaches the freezing point. This may be due to a region of warm water upwelling, which reduces ice production and may stop it altogether. This type of polynya is called a Sensible Heat Polynya.

* The second type of polynya is called a Latent Heat Polynya and is formed through the action of katabatic wind or ocean currents which act to drive ice away from a fixed boundary, such as a coastline, fast ice, or an ice bridge. The polynya forms initially by the first year pack ice being driven away from the coast, which leaves an area of open water within which new ice is formed. This new ice is then also herded downwind toward the first year pack ice. When it reaches the pack ice the new ice is consolidated onto the first year pack ice. The latent heat polynya is the open water region between the coast and the first year ice pack.

Latent heat polynyas are regions of high ice production and therefore are possible sites of dense water production in both polar regions. The high ice production rates within these polynyas leads to a large amount of brine rejection into the surface waters. This salty water then sinks and mixes to possibly form new water masses. It is an open question as to whether the polynyas of the Arctic can produce enough dense water to form a major portion of the dense water required to drive the thermohaline circulation.

Arctic navigation

When submarines of the U.S. Navy made expeditions to the North Pole in the 1950s and 60s, there was a significant concern about surfacing through the thick pack ice of the Arctic Ocean. In 1962, both the USS Skate and USS Seadragon surfaced within the same, large polynya near the North Pole, for the first polar rendezvous of the U.S. Atlantic Fleet and the U.S. Pacific Fleet.[6]


***

Well thank you for googling up a nice bit of wikkipedia for us all, but I have to say one thing to it...

Yeah, slackjawedidiot, you 'say' the one thing you always unconsciously proclaim with your posts - that you are a silly retard who has no idea what's going on or what people are saying.






Well, slackjawed, where retards like you see only "names", normal people can see definitions pertinent to the discussion. A normal un-retarded person would have read the definitions and understood that it is the winds and ocean currents that move the ice and pile it up and leave small openings in the sea ice cover.

1. If the subs surfaced inside of a lead or a polynya what caused the polynya? Oh I know perhaps it was warmer?

As the definitions I just posted said (which you, as usual, are far too retarded to comprehend), there are two ways that polynyas or leads form. One way can be an upwelling of warmer water in certain spots (not a general warming of the whole Arctic region as you're hallucinating), and the other way involves wind and ocean currents pushing the ice and piling it up in one area and leaving small holes in the ice cover elsewhere.

LOL, you freaking idiots crack me up. Yeah it gets warmer and the ice melts and melts in strange ways, and its done so since they been there. None of it is evidence of global warming..

2. As your own wikki link contends, in 1909 and as far as 1906 there where leads. Kind of funny you tried to make an argument for AGW causing wild sea ice melting, then in your eagerness to win a argument over submarines surfacing inside sea ice, you bring evidence that proves these such occurrences are not only uneventful but given the fact they have been observed since the early 1900's you just killed your own AGW claim.... Nice work man!

LOL, care to help stomp out algorian BS, be my guest just try and let us know who's side your on..

LOLOLOLOLOLOLO.......I know it's not nice to laugh at the handicapped, but you are such a complete moron, it is hilarious to watch your mental gyrations. It's like watching a one-legged man with a broken knee in an ass kicking contest with Paul Bunyan.

The walleyedretard keeps posting pictures of submarines surfacing in polynyas near the north pole in the sixties as evidence that the current melting is nothing new and has no significance. LOL. I posted information showing that such openings are the product of normal conditions in the Arctic and have always been there. Those polynyas are not evidence of global warming, either now or in the past. The disappearance of over 7.5 million square kilometers of the ice cap over the last thirty years is the evidence for global warming/climate change. The opening of the northeast and northwest passages to commercial shipping for the first time in human history is evidence. The massive and increasing ice loss from Greenland and the Alaskan glaciers is evidence. The melting of the permafrost over huge areas of Alaska, Canada and Siberia for the first time in human history is evidence.

Too bad you and walleyed are such clueless fools. It must suck to be that retarded.

Ya know you can pretend we are all the dumb ones here, but it will not change the fact you once again stuck your foot in your mouth pal... LOL

YOU claim drastic and dangerous warming and ice melting, then get into an argument over submarines surfacing, and in your desire to win at all costs disproved your own claims here.... Nice work idiot...

 

[RollingThunder]

Well thank you for googling up a nice bit of wikkipedia for us all, but I have to say one thing to it...

Yeah, slackjawedidiot, you 'say' the one thing you always unconsciously proclaim with your posts - that you are a silly retard who has no idea what's going on or what people are saying.

Well, slackjawed, where retards like you see only "names", normal people can see definitions pertinent to the discussion. A normal un-retarded person would have read the definitions and understood that it is the winds and ocean currents that move the ice and pile it up and leave small openings in the sea ice cover.

As the definitions I just posted said (which you, as usual, are far too retarded to comprehend), there are two ways that polynyas or leads form. One way can be an upwelling of warmer water in certain spots (not a general warming of the whole Arctic region as you're hallucinating), and the other way involves wind and ocean currents pushing the ice and piling it up in one area and leaving small holes in the ice cover elsewhere.

LOL, you freaking idiots crack me up. Yeah it gets warmer and the ice melts and melts in strange ways, and its done so since they been there. None of it is evidence of global warming..

2. As your own wikki link contends, in 1909 and as far as 1906 there where leads. Kind of funny you tried to make an argument for AGW causing wild sea ice melting, then in your eagerness to win a argument over submarines surfacing inside sea ice, you bring evidence that proves these such occurrences are not only uneventful but given the fact they have been observed since the early 1900's you just killed your own AGW claim.... Nice work man!

LOL, care to help stomp out algorian BS, be my guest just try and let us know who's side your on..

LOLOLOLOLOLOLO.......I know it's not nice to laugh at the handicapped, but you are such a complete moron, it is hilarious to watch your mental gyrations. It's like watching a one-legged man with a broken knee in an ass kicking contest with Paul Bunyan.

The walleyedretard keeps posting pictures of submarines surfacing in polynyas near the north pole in the sixties as evidence that the current melting is nothing new and has no significance. LOL. I posted information showing that such openings are the product of normal conditions in the Arctic and have always been there. Those polynyas are not evidence of global warming, either now or in the past. The disappearance of over 7.5 million square kilometers of the ice cap over the last thirty years is the evidence for global warming/climate change. The opening of the northeast and northwest passages to commercial shipping for the first time in human history is evidence. The massive and increasing ice loss from Greenland and the Alaskan glaciers is evidence. The melting of the permafrost over huge areas of Alaska, Canada and Siberia for the first time in human history is evidence.

Too bad you and walleyed are such clueless fools. It must suck to be that retarded.

You're the only one proving to be a moron.

LOLOL.....I know it looks that way to you but that is only because you're a brainwashed retard with your head up Exxon's ass.

We are allways saying that this is nothing unusual.

"This" what, walleyed? The melting of about half of the previous long term extent of the Arctic ice cap in just a few decades? That's what's actually happened, BTW, that you nitwits are imagining, in your denier-nut-cult bizarro-world, to be "nothing unusual". LOL. And as support for your lamebrained and very mistaken myths, you offer pictures of submarines surfacing in polynyas in the 60's, so I post various evidence in posts #1351 and #1355 that such openings are a common result of wind and current dynamics in the Arctic and are unconnected to the the current general warming of the atmosphere and ocean that has now melted (and is continuing to melt, faster and faster) so much of the ice cap that had been there, substantially unchanged, for thousands of years.

You say it is. Proove(sic) it. You claim the sea ice is at an all time low.

I have "Prooved"(LOL) it many times on many threads, you poor clueless nitwit. Just recently on this thread in post #1355

Arctic Sea Ice Shatters All Previous Record Lows
NSIDC
1 October 2007
"Arctic sea ice during the 2007 melt season plummeted to the lowest levels since satellite measurements began in 1979. The average sea ice extent for the month of September was 4.28 million square kilometers (1.65 million square miles), the lowest September on record, shattering the previous record for the month, set in 2005, by 23 percent (see Figure 1). At the end of the melt season, September 2007 sea ice was 39 percent below the long-term average from 1979 to 2000 (see Figure 2). If ship and aircraft records from before the satellite era are taken into account, sea ice may have fallen by as much as 50 percent from the 1950s."

Showing the loss from just as recently as 1979 to 2005. Sea ice extent was even larger in the 50's than it was in 1979.

Sea ice loss between 2005 and 2007. 2011 is tracking as low or lower than 2007 so far in the current melt season.

We have shown how those claims were made before and lo and behold they were wrong....just....like.....you....are.....today.

In your dreams maybe. In the real world, you haven't been able to "show" anything about anything that wasn't immediately debunked as misinformation and lies.

Please do, though, feel free to show us all those satellite photos of the shrunken ice cap taken way back when, at those times in the last couple of centuries when you hallucinate that the Arctic melted away as much as it has now. Oh wait, you don't actually have that kind of hard, verifiable evidence, do you? Just isolated anecdotes that you try and fail to spin up into significance. LOL.

 

[Chris]

 

[gslack]

Spam the thread now trolling blunder thats what you do when you embarrass yourself. Pretend it didn't happen, keep calling others morons and above all keep on posting the same BS.... Dude you are more pathetic every day...

 

[RollingThunder]

Well thank you for googling up a nice bit of wikkipedia for us all, but I have to say one thing to it...

Yeah, slackjawedidiot, you 'say' the one thing you always unconsciously proclaim with your posts - that you are a silly retard who has no idea what's going on or what people are saying.

Well, slackjawed, where retards like you see only "names", normal people can see definitions pertinent to the discussion. A normal un-retarded person would have read the definitions and understood that it is the winds and ocean currents that move the ice and pile it up and leave small openings in the sea ice cover.

As the definitions I just posted said (which you, as usual, are far too retarded to comprehend), there are two ways that polynyas or leads form. One way can be an upwelling of warmer water in certain spots (not a general warming of the whole Arctic region as you're hallucinating), and the other way involves wind and ocean currents pushing the ice and piling it up in one area and leaving small holes in the ice cover elsewhere.

LOL, you freaking idiots crack me up. Yeah it gets warmer and the ice melts and melts in strange ways, and its done so since they been there. None of it is evidence of global warming..

2. As your own wikki link contends, in 1909 and as far as 1906 there where leads. Kind of funny you tried to make an argument for AGW causing wild sea ice melting, then in your eagerness to win a argument over submarines surfacing inside sea ice, you bring evidence that proves these such occurrences are not only uneventful but given the fact they have been observed since the early 1900's you just killed your own AGW claim.... Nice work man!

LOL, care to help stomp out algorian BS, be my guest just try and let us know who's side your on..

LOLOLOLOLOLOLO.......I know it's not nice to laugh at the handicapped, but you are such a complete moron, it is hilarious to watch your mental gyrations. It's like watching a one-legged man with a broken knee in an ass kicking contest with Paul Bunyan.

The walleyedretard keeps posting pictures of submarines surfacing in polynyas near the north pole in the sixties as evidence that the current melting is nothing new and has no significance. LOL. I posted information showing that such openings are the product of normal conditions in the Arctic and have always been there. Those polynyas are not evidence of global warming, either now or in the past. The disappearance of over 7.5 million square kilometers of the ice cap over the last thirty years is the evidence for global warming/climate change. The opening of the northeast and northwest passages to commercial shipping for the first time in human history is evidence. The massive and increasing ice loss from Greenland and the Alaskan glaciers is evidence. The melting of the permafrost over huge areas of Alaska, Canada and Siberia for the first time in human history is evidence.

Too bad you and walleyed are such clueless fools. It must suck to be that retarded.

Ya know you can pretend we are all the dumb ones here,

Nobody has to 'pretend' anything; you denier cult dingbats really are dumber than a bag of retarded rocks, especially you, slackjawed.

but it will not change the fact you once again stuck your foot in your mouth pal... LOL

No, I once again stuck my foot up your dumb ass. You're so retarded, you have no idea what is going on.

YOU claim drastic and dangerous warming and ice melting, then get into an argument over submarines surfacing, and in your desire to win at all costs disproved your own claims here.... Nice work idiot...

I didn't disprove my own claims at all, you pathetic cretin. I showed that openings in the Arctic ice cover are naturally occurring and have nothing to do with the current abrupt warming trend that has shrunk the ice cap so severely.

 

[westwall]

Yeah, slackjawedidiot, you 'say' the one thing you always unconsciously proclaim with your posts - that you are a silly retard who has no idea what's going on or what people are saying.

Well, slackjawed, where retards like you see only "names", normal people can see definitions pertinent to the discussion. A normal un-retarded person would have read the definitions and understood that it is the winds and ocean currents that move the ice and pile it up and leave small openings in the sea ice cover.

As the definitions I just posted said (which you, as usual, are far too retarded to comprehend), there are two ways that polynyas or leads form. One way can be an upwelling of warmer water in certain spots (not a general warming of the whole Arctic region as you're hallucinating), and the other way involves wind and ocean currents pushing the ice and piling it up in one area and leaving small holes in the ice cover elsewhere.


LOLOLOLOLOLOLO.......I know it's not nice to laugh at the handicapped, but you are such a complete moron, it is hilarious to watch your mental gyrations. It's like watching a one-legged man with a broken knee in an ass kicking contest with Paul Bunyan.

The walleyedretard keeps posting pictures of submarines surfacing in polynyas near the north pole in the sixties as evidence that the current melting is nothing new and has no significance. LOL. I posted information showing that such openings are the product of normal conditions in the Arctic and have always been there. Those polynyas are not evidence of global warming, either now or in the past. The disappearance of over 7.5 million square kilometers of the ice cap over the last thirty years is the evidence for global warming/climate change. The opening of the northeast and northwest passages to commercial shipping for the first time in human history is evidence. The massive and increasing ice loss from Greenland and the Alaskan glaciers is evidence. The melting of the permafrost over huge areas of Alaska, Canada and Siberia for the first time in human history is evidence.

Too bad you and walleyed are such clueless fools. It must suck to be that retarded.

Ya know you can pretend we are all the dumb ones here,

Nobody has to 'pretend' anything; you denier cult dingbats really are dumber than a bag of retarded rocks, especially you, slackjawed.

but it will not change the fact you once again stuck your foot in your mouth pal... LOL

No, I once again stuck my foot up your dumb ass. You're so retarded, you have no idea what is going on.

YOU claim drastic and dangerous warming and ice melting, then get into an argument over submarines surfacing, and in your desire to win at all costs disproved your own claims here.... Nice work idiot...

I didn't disprove my own claims at all, you pathetic cretin. I showed that openings in the Arctic ice cover are naturally occurring and have nothing to do with the current abrupt warming trend that has shrunk the ice cap so severely.

The only thing you have proven is your fundamental inability to follow directions so simple my 5 year old understood them. Yet you didn't. That tells the world just how stupid you are. Congrats, you're not just dumber then a fifth grader but you're dumber then a five year old.

 

[gslack]

Yeah, slackjawedidiot, you 'say' the one thing you always unconsciously proclaim with your posts - that you are a silly retard who has no idea what's going on or what people are saying.

Well, slackjawed, where retards like you see only "names", normal people can see definitions pertinent to the discussion. A normal un-retarded person would have read the definitions and understood that it is the winds and ocean currents that move the ice and pile it up and leave small openings in the sea ice cover.

As the definitions I just posted said (which you, as usual, are far too retarded to comprehend), there are two ways that polynyas or leads form. One way can be an upwelling of warmer water in certain spots (not a general warming of the whole Arctic region as you're hallucinating), and the other way involves wind and ocean currents pushing the ice and piling it up in one area and leaving small holes in the ice cover elsewhere.


LOLOLOLOLOLOLO.......I know it's not nice to laugh at the handicapped, but you are such a complete moron, it is hilarious to watch your mental gyrations. It's like watching a one-legged man with a broken knee in an ass kicking contest with Paul Bunyan.

The walleyedretard keeps posting pictures of submarines surfacing in polynyas near the north pole in the sixties as evidence that the current melting is nothing new and has no significance. LOL. I posted information showing that such openings are the product of normal conditions in the Arctic and have always been there. Those polynyas are not evidence of global warming, either now or in the past. The disappearance of over 7.5 million square kilometers of the ice cap over the last thirty years is the evidence for global warming/climate change. The opening of the northeast and northwest passages to commercial shipping for the first time in human history is evidence. The massive and increasing ice loss from Greenland and the Alaskan glaciers is evidence. The melting of the permafrost over huge areas of Alaska, Canada and Siberia for the first time in human history is evidence.

Too bad you and walleyed are such clueless fools. It must suck to be that retarded.

Ya know you can pretend we are all the dumb ones here,

Nobody has to 'pretend' anything; you denier cult dingbats really are dumber than a bag of retarded rocks, especially you, slackjawed.

but it will not change the fact you once again stuck your foot in your mouth pal... LOL

No, I once again stuck my foot up your dumb ass. You're so retarded, you have no idea what is going on.

YOU claim drastic and dangerous warming and ice melting, then get into an argument over submarines surfacing, and in your desire to win at all costs disproved your own claims here.... Nice work idiot...

I didn't disprove my own claims at all, you pathetic cretin. I showed that openings in the Arctic ice cover are naturally occurring and have nothing to do with the current abrupt warming trend that has shrunk the ice cap so severely.

No, I once again stuck my foot up your dumb ass. You're so retarded, you have no idea what is going on.

LOL, really? Then why do you turn into a defensive flailing idiot? If I do not understand, then why is it you just disproved your own argument about global warming? LOL

I didn't disprove my own claims at all, you pathetic cretin. I showed that openings in the Arctic ice cover are naturally occurring and have nothing to do with the current abrupt warming trend that has shrunk the ice cap so severely.

Yes you did moron, you flat out screwed your own claims. IF that warming was natural then this warming could just as well be natural.

I didn't disprove my own claims at all, you pathetic cretin. I showed that openings in the Arctic ice cover are naturally occurring and have nothing to do with the current abrupt warming trend that has shrunk the ice cap so severely.

Ah, so the warming that occurred then, was natural occurences but any such things happening now are not? Really? LOL, you can make that claim? Thats hilarious man...

 

[wirebender]

LOL, really? Then why do you turn into a defensive flailing idiot? If I do not understand, then why is it you just disproved your own argument about global warming? LOL

Turn into? I can't say that I recall him ever being anything else? Pasting article after article that I guess he believes constitutes proof for his position that man is causing the climate to change when in reality, at best, his pastes show that this or that is happening.

The ice has been melting for 14K years now. Pasted articles that state that the ice continues to melt don't strike me as grounds for fear, or grounds for mild concern, or grounds for anything other than to question the rationality of those who do find reason to angst in the fact that ice continues to melt.

The fact is that if we were creatures that live for eons, we would be looking out on very early spring after a very long winter.

 

[gslack]

LOL, really? Then why do you turn into a defensive flailing idiot? If I do not understand, then why is it you just disproved your own argument about global warming? LOL

Turn into? I can't say that I recall him ever being anything else? Pasting article after article that I guess he believes constitutes proof for his position that man is causing the climate to change when in reality, at best, his pastes show that this or that is happening.

The ice has been melting for 14K years now. Pasted articles that state that the ice continues to melt don't strike me as grounds for fear, or grounds for mild concern, or grounds for anything other than to question the rationality of those who do find reason to angst in the fact that ice continues to melt.

The fact is that if we were creatures that live for eons, we would be looking out on very early spring after a very long winter.

LOL, when he and oldsocks start talking complex physics, I can't help but imagine those two being upset over the poor dead cat in that box... Dam that shroedinger!...

 

[konradv]

The ice has been melting for 14K years now. Pasted articles that state that the ice continues to melt don't strike me as grounds for fear, or grounds for mild concern, or grounds for anything other than to question the rationality of those who do find reason to angst in the fact that ice continues to melt.

True, but as the skeptics like to point out, back in the 70s some scientists were saying we were heading to a new Ice Age. Given the regular cycles Earth has gone through, that should have seemed reasonable to everyone. But the fact is, we're seeing a trend towards more warming. So, what happened to the normal cycle? Why shouldn't we pay attention when scientists change their minds that fast? It couldn't all be the money, because as anyone who knows about the grant system is aware, the theory has to precede the money or nothing gets funded. If we didn't see some indication of unusual temps, we'd be studying the coming Ice Age, instead.