Arctic ice thins dramatically

The polar ice cap in the Arctic has melted to near its 2007 record minimum level and in some areas is 50 per cent smaller than average, Russia's environmental monitoring agency says.

"According to the results of observations, the Arctic ice sheet is currently near the minimum that was observed in 2007 in the polar region," the Roshydromet agency said in a statement.

It said the ice sheet covered an area of 6.8 billion square kilometres and was much smaller than normal in Russia's Arctic seas.

"The ice cap is smaller than the norm in all the Russian seas: by 56 per cent in the southwest of the Kara Sea, by 20 per cent in the northeast of the Kara Sea, by 40 per cent in the Laptev Sea, by 14 per cent in the East Siberia Sea and by 35 per cent in Sea of Chukotka," it said.

Arctic ice cap 'near 2007 record minimum'



Big whoop.

"Scientists say current concerns over a tipping point in the disappearance of Arctic sea ice may be misplaced.

Danish researchers analysed ancient pieces of driftwood in north Greenland which they say is an accurate way to measure the extent of ancient ice loss.

Writing in the journal Science, the team found evidence that ice levels were about 50% lower 5,000 years ago.

They say changes to wind systems can slow down the rate of melting.

They argue, therefore, that a tipping point under current scenarios is unlikely.

While modern observations by ship and by satellite give us a very accurate picture of the recent state of the ice, historic information is limited. The ice comes and goes without leaving a permanent record.

But a Danish team believes it has found an indirect method that gives a clear picture of the ice loss dating back 11,000 years.

Dr Svend Funder from the Natural History Museum of Denmark led several expeditions to inhospitable regions of Northern Greenland. On these frozen shores the Danish team noticed several pieces of ancient driftwood. They concluded that it could be an important method of unlocking the secrets of the ancient ice.

"Driftwood cannot float across the water, it has to be ferried across the ocean on ice, and this voyage takes several years, which means that driftwood is actually a signal of multi-year sea ice in the ocean and it is this ice that is at risk at the moment," said Dr Funder.

Carbon dating was used to determine the age of the wood. And figuring out its origins also yielded important information.

"It's so lovely that drift wood from Siberia is mainly larch and from North America is mainly spruce. So if we see there was more larch or spruce we can see that the wind system had changed and in some periods there was little spruce and in other periods there was lots," he said.

Wind delay?

As well as the driftwood, the scientists mapped beach ridges for 500km (310 miles) along the coast. This proved that at one time the waves had reached the shore unhindered by the ice.

Dr Funder and his team say their data shows a clear connection between temperature and the amount of sea ice. The researchers concluded that for about 3,000 years, during a period called the Holocene Climate Optimum, there was more open water and far less ice than today - probably less than 50% of the minimum Arctic sea ice recorded in 2007.

But the researcher says that even with a loss of this size, the sea ice will not reach a point of no return.

"I think we can say that with the loss of 50% of the current ice, the tipping point wasn't reached."

The idea of an Arctic tipping point has been highlighted by many scientists in recent years. They have argued that when enough ice is lost it could cause a runaway effect with disastrous consequences.

"I don't say that our current worries are not justified, but I think that there are factors which will work to delay the action in relation to some of the models that have been in the media.

"I think the effect of temperature and global warming may cause a change in the general wind systems which maybe will delay the effects of the rapidly rising temperatures a little bit."

The researchers are now set to examine DNA from the fossils of polar bears to try and find out how the animals fared when the temperatures were higher and there was much less ice."



BBC News - Arctic 'tipping point' may not be reached
 
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I still don't see open water there at the pole....... Wonder why? Being how its so hot and all that. I mean based on your constant blathering there should be tons of open water there. Right?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.....you are soooooooo retarded, walleyed......LOLOLOL....

"I still don't see open water there at the pole....... Wonder why?"....maybe 'cause you're looking at a graphic depicting ice extent, not a satellite photograph, you silly moron.

I already debunked your idiotic contention that past openings in the Arctic sea ice cover must have been caused by previous, otherwise undetected, global warming and not, as the science says, by the normal action of wind and waves. I guess you're just too retarded to let go of a debunked propaganda meme.



What was that silly person? We have shown multiple pictures of subs surfacing at the North Pole in past decades. They were in open water. I don't see any open water here.
Hell, a couple of years ago Top Gear DROVE to the North Pole in one of their episodes...in the middle of the summer.



[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNkvASxfEWQ]‪Top Gear: Polar Special part 1 - BBC‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]
 
Interesting that the CO2 level 5000 or 11,000 years ago was not above 300 ppm. Today, it is at 390 ppm. With that in mind, the ice will continue to melt rapidly. And the minimum will be far lower than that of 5000 to 11,000 years ago.

By the way, I would link to a scientist I was quoting. Where might I find Dr. Funder's study?
 
OK, my apologies, link didn't work the first time.

A 10,000-Year Record of Arctic Ocean Sea-Ice Variability

Science 5 August 2011:
Vol. 333 no. 6043 pp. 747-750
DOI: 10.1126/science.1202760
Report
A 10,000-Year Record of Arctic Ocean Sea-Ice Variability—View from the Beach
Svend Funder1,*, Hugues Goosse2, Hans Jepsen1, Eigil Kaas3, Kurt H. Kjær1, Niels J. Korsgaard1, Nicolaj K. Larsen4, Hans Linderson5, Astrid Lyså6, Per Möller5, Jesper Olsen7, Eske Willerslev1
+ Author Affiliations

1Centre for GeoGenetics, Natural History Museum of Denmark, University of Copenhagen, Øster Voldgade 5-7, DK 1350 Copenhagen K, Denmark.
2Université Catholique de Louvain, Earth and Life Institute, Centre de Recherches sur la Terre et le Climat Georges Lemaître, Chemin du Cyclotron, 2, 1348, Louvain-la-Neuve, Belgium.
3Niels Bohr Institute, University of Copenhagen, Juliane Maries Vej 30, DK 2100 Copenhagen, Denmark.
4Geological Institute University of Aarhus, C. F. Møllers Allé 4, DK 8000 Aarhus C, Denmark.
5GeoBiosphere Science Centre, Quaternary Sciences, Lund University, Sölvegatan 12, SE 22362 Lund, Sweden.
6Geological Survey of Norway, 7491 Trondheim, Norway.
7School of Geography, Archaeology and Palaeoecology, Queen’s University, Belfast, Belfast BT7 1NN, UK.
↵*To whom correspondence should be addressed. E-mail: [email protected]
Abstract
We present a sea-ice record from northern Greenland covering the past 10,000 years. Multiyear sea ice reached a minimum between ~8500 and 6000 years ago, when the limit of year-round sea ice at the coast of Greenland was located ~1000 kilometers to the north of its present position. The subsequent increase in multiyear sea ice culminated during the past 2500 years and is linked to an increase in ice export from the western Arctic and higher variability of ice-drift routes. When the ice was at its minimum in northern Greenland, it greatly increased at Ellesmere Island to the west. The lack of uniformity in past sea-ice changes, which is probably related to large-scale atmospheric anomalies such as the Arctic Oscillation, is not well reproduced in models. This needs to be further explored, as it is likely to have an impact on predictions of future sea-ice distribution.
 
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I still don't see open water there at the pole....... Wonder why? Being how its so hot and all that. I mean based on your constant blathering there should be tons of open water there. Right?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.....you are soooooooo retarded, walleyed......LOLOLOL....

"I still don't see open water there at the pole....... Wonder why?"....maybe 'cause you're looking at a graphic depicting ice extent, not a satellite photograph, you silly moron.

I already debunked your idiotic contention that past openings in the Arctic sea ice cover must have been caused by previous, otherwise undetected, global warming and not, as the science says, by the normal action of wind and waves. I guess you're just too retarded to let go of a debunked propaganda meme.



What was that silly person? We have shown multiple pictures of subs surfacing at the North Pole in past decades. They were in open water. I don't see any open water here.
Hell, a couple of years ago Top Gear DROVE to the North Pole in one of their episodes...in the middle of the summer.



[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNkvASxfEWQ]‪Top Gear: Polar Special part 1 - BBC‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

I love Top Gear! :clap2:
 
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.....you are soooooooo retarded, walleyed......LOLOLOL....

"I still don't see open water there at the pole....... Wonder why?"....maybe 'cause you're looking at a graphic depicting ice extent, not a satellite photograph, you silly moron.

I already debunked your idiotic contention that past openings in the Arctic sea ice cover must have been caused by previous, otherwise undetected, global warming and not, as the science says, by the normal action of wind and waves. I guess you're just too retarded to let go of a debunked propaganda meme.



What was that silly person? We have shown multiple pictures of subs surfacing at the North Pole in past decades. They were in open water. I don't see any open water here.
Hell, a couple of years ago Top Gear DROVE to the North Pole in one of their episodes...in the middle of the summer.



[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNkvASxfEWQ]‪Top Gear: Polar Special part 1 - BBC‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

I love Top Gear! :clap2:





Me too!
 
I still don't see open water there at the pole....... Wonder why? Being how its so hot and all that. I mean based on your constant blathering there should be tons of open water there. Right?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.....you are soooooooo retarded, walleyed......LOLOLOL....

"I still don't see open water there at the pole....... Wonder why?"....maybe 'cause you're looking at a graphic depicting ice extent, not a satellite photograph, you silly moron.

I already debunked your idiotic contention that past openings in the Arctic sea ice cover must have been caused by previous, otherwise undetected, global warming and not, as the science says, by the normal action of wind and waves. I guess you're just too retarded to let go of a debunked propaganda meme.

What was that silly person?
Are you blind as well as retarded?



We have shown multiple pictures of subs surfacing at the North Pole in past decades. They were in open water.
Yes you have and they have been just as meaningless every time, as I have repeatedly demonstrated, you hopeless cretin. Openings in the Arctic sea ice are normal and are caused by the action of the wind and waves, not global warming. Global warming is what has shrunk the extent of the ice cap by about 50% in the last six decades or so and thinned the ice to a fraction of its former thickness.



I don't see any open water here.
"Here" where? Your bellybutton? You can't see the writing on the wall, you can't see the obvious, how do you expect to see any water? Especially with your head jammed so far up your ass like that.
 
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.....you are soooooooo retarded, walleyed......LOLOLOL....

"I still don't see open water there at the pole....... Wonder why?"....maybe 'cause you're looking at a graphic depicting ice extent, not a satellite photograph, you silly moron.

I already debunked your idiotic contention that past openings in the Arctic sea ice cover must have been caused by previous, otherwise undetected, global warming and not, as the science says, by the normal action of wind and waves. I guess you're just too retarded to let go of a debunked propaganda meme.

What was that silly person?
Are you blind as well as retarded?



We have shown multiple pictures of subs surfacing at the North Pole in past decades. They were in open water.
Yes you have and they have been just as meaningless every time, as I have repeatedly demonstrated, you hopeless cretin. Openings in the Arctic sea ice are normal and are caused by the action of the wind and waves, not global warming. Global warming is what has shrunk the extent of the ice cap by about 50% in the last six decades or so and thinned the ice to a fraction of its former thickness.



I don't see any open water here.
"Here" where? Your bellybutton? You can't see the writing on the wall, you can't see the obvious, how do you expect to see any water? Especially with your head jammed so far up your ass like that.

The ice was melted by the top secret alien technology the Russians got from a crashed alien craft back in the 1950's. They hid it in a place called Areaski 51-ovich.. Or something very russian like that... Sorry I can't type russian or even speak it, its very difficult they seem to have a different word for everything.....:lol:
 
What was that silly person?
Are you blind as well as retarded?




Yes you have and they have been just as meaningless every time, as I have repeatedly demonstrated, you hopeless cretin. Openings in the Arctic sea ice are normal and are caused by the action of the wind and waves, not global warming. Global warming is what has shrunk the extent of the ice cap by about 50% in the last six decades or so and thinned the ice to a fraction of its former thickness.



I don't see any open water here.
"Here" where? Your bellybutton? You can't see the writing on the wall, you can't see the obvious, how do you expect to see any water? Especially with your head jammed so far up your ass like that.

The ice was melted by the top secret alien technology the Russians got from a crashed alien craft back in the 1950's. They hid it in a place called Areaski 51-ovich.. Or something very russian like that... Sorry I can't type russian or even speak it, its very difficult they seem to have a different word for everything.....:lol:





Actually their space program is located at the Baikonur Cosmodrome (please forgive me if my spelling is wrong) in Kazakhstan.
 
Are you blind as well as retarded?




Yes you have and they have been just as meaningless every time, as I have repeatedly demonstrated, you hopeless cretin. Openings in the Arctic sea ice are normal and are caused by the action of the wind and waves, not global warming. Global warming is what has shrunk the extent of the ice cap by about 50% in the last six decades or so and thinned the ice to a fraction of its former thickness.




"Here" where? Your bellybutton? You can't see the writing on the wall, you can't see the obvious, how do you expect to see any water? Especially with your head jammed so far up your ass like that.

The ice was melted by the top secret alien technology the Russians got from a crashed alien craft back in the 1950's. They hid it in a place called Areaski 51-ovich.. Or something very russian like that... Sorry I can't type russian or even speak it, its very difficult they seem to have a different word for everything.....:lol:





Actually their space program is located at the Baikonur Cosmodrome (please forgive me if my spelling is wrong) in Kazakhstan.

A perfect name for it too... The Cosmodrome... Kinda sounds like a football stadium...:lol:
 
The ice was melted by the top secret alien technology the Russians got from a crashed alien craft back in the 1950's. They hid it in a place called Areaski 51-ovich.. Or something very russian like that... Sorry I can't type russian or even speak it, its very difficult they seem to have a different word for everything.....:lol:





Actually their space program is located at the Baikonur Cosmodrome (please forgive me if my spelling is wrong) in Kazakhstan.

A perfect name for it too... The Cosmodrome... Kinda sounds like a football stadium...:lol:




Yeah it's near the river Syr Daria and there are tons of geologic features all over the place.
 
Actually their space program is located at the Baikonur Cosmodrome (please forgive me if my spelling is wrong) in Kazakhstan.

A perfect name for it too... The Cosmodrome... Kinda sounds like a football stadium...:lol:




Yeah it's near the river Syr Daria and there are tons of geologic features all over the place.

My brother was a Russian Linguist for the navy and NSA back in the 80's and early 90's. All i know of the place was from him (not much considering his job) and the standard press which was cold war-centric. Oh and tom clancy novels ..LOL

PS. I did read the brothers karamazov once a long time ago..LOL
 
A perfect name for it too... The Cosmodrome... Kinda sounds like a football stadium...:lol:




Yeah it's near the river Syr Daria and there are tons of geologic features all over the place.

My brother was a Russian Linguist for the navy and NSA back in the 80's and early 90's. All i know of the place was from him (not much considering his job) and the standard press which was cold war-centric. Oh and tom clancy novels ..LOL

PS. I did read the brothers karamazov once a long time ago..LOL




The Brothers karamazov huh. Oh well I guess we can forgive you for that.
 

Winter warming in West Antarctica caused by central tropical Pacific warming : Nature Geoscience : Nature Publishing Group

Nature Geoscience | Article
Winter warming in West Antarctica caused by central tropical Pacific warming
Qinghua Ding,1 Eric J. Steig,1 David S. Battisti2 & Marcel Küttel1
Affiliations Contributions Corresponding author Journal name:
Nature Geoscience
Volume:
4,
Pages:
398–403
Year published:
(2011)
DOI:
doi:10.1038/ngeo1129
Received 26 October 2010 Accepted 08 March 2011 Published online 10 April 2011
Abstract
Abstract Author information Supplementary information Article toolsPrint


The Pacific sector of Antarctica, including both the Antarctic Peninsula and continental West Antarctica, has experienced substantial warming in the past 30 years. An increase in the circumpolar westerlies, owing in part to the decline in stratospheric ozone concentrations since the late 1970s, may account for warming trends in the peninsula region in austral summer and autumn. The more widespread warming in continental West Antarctica (Ellsworth Land and Marie Byrd Land) occurs primarily in austral winter and spring, and remains unexplained. Here we use observations of Antarctic surface temperature and global sea surface temperature, and atmospheric circulation data to show that recent warming in continental West Antarctica is linked to sea surface temperature changes in the tropical Pacific. Over the past 30 years, anomalous sea surface temperatures in the central tropical Pacific have generated an atmospheric Rossby wave response that influences atmospheric circulation over the Amundsen Sea, causing increased advection of warm air to the Antarctic continent. General circulation model experiments show that the central tropical Pacific is a critical region for producing the observed high latitude response. We conclude that, by affecting the atmospheric circulation at high southern latitudes, increasing tropical sea surface temperatures may account for West Antarctic warming through most of the twentieth century
 

Winter warming in West Antarctica caused by central tropical Pacific warming : Nature Geoscience : Nature Publishing Group

Nature Geoscience | Article
Winter warming in West Antarctica caused by central tropical Pacific warming
Qinghua Ding,1 Eric J. Steig,1 David S. Battisti2 & Marcel Küttel1
Affiliations Contributions Corresponding author Journal name:
Nature Geoscience
Volume:
4,
Pages:
398–403
Year published:
(2011)
DOI:
doi:10.1038/ngeo1129
Received 26 October 2010 Accepted 08 March 2011 Published online 10 April 2011
Abstract
Abstract Author information Supplementary information Article toolsPrint


The Pacific sector of Antarctica, including both the Antarctic Peninsula and continental West Antarctica, has experienced substantial warming in the past 30 years. An increase in the circumpolar westerlies, owing in part to the decline in stratospheric ozone concentrations since the late 1970s, may account for warming trends in the peninsula region in austral summer and autumn. The more widespread warming in continental West Antarctica (Ellsworth Land and Marie Byrd Land) occurs primarily in austral winter and spring, and remains unexplained. Here we use observations of Antarctic surface temperature and global sea surface temperature, and atmospheric circulation data to show that recent warming in continental West Antarctica is linked to sea surface temperature changes in the tropical Pacific. Over the past 30 years, anomalous sea surface temperatures in the central tropical Pacific have generated an atmospheric Rossby wave response that influences atmospheric circulation over the Amundsen Sea, causing increased advection of warm air to the Antarctic continent. General circulation model experiments show that the central tropical Pacific is a critical region for producing the observed high latitude response. We conclude that, by affecting the atmospheric circulation at high southern latitudes, increasing tropical sea surface temperatures may account for West Antarctic warming through most of the twentieth century







Glaciology

Antarctic Ice's Future Still Mired in Its Murky Past

Richard A. Kerr




A new reanalysis by two NASA scientists of the three standard ice-monitoring techniques slashes the estimated loss from East Antarctica, challenging the large, headline-grabbing losses reported lately for the continent as a whole. Although not the final word, the new study shows that researchers still have a lot to learn about the vast East Antarctic Ice Sheet. Understanding the role of East Antarctica is one key to figuring out what the ice sheets, and thus sea level, will be doing by century's end.



Antarctic Ice's Future Still Mired in Its Murky Past
 
MOSCOW: The Arctic is getting warmer at a fast pace with the Russian Arctic sector's ice areas reducing to "historically low levels", the Russian meteorological bureau has said.

The Rosgidromet bureau report said the polar cap in the Russian sector has shrunk to the historical low registered in 2007, with no ice expected to block the Northern Seaway at least until September, Xinhua reported citing the Itar-Tass news agency.

"Currently, Arctic navigation conditions are very favourable. By early August, navigation can be done without icebreakers almost along the entire route," said Valery Martyshchenko, head of the bureau's environment pollution monitoring department.

Arctic ice melting: Russian meteorologists - The Economic Times
 
MOSCOW: The Arctic is getting warmer at a fast pace with the Russian Arctic sector's ice areas reducing to "historically low levels", the Russian meteorological bureau has said.

The Rosgidromet bureau report said the polar cap in the Russian sector has shrunk to the historical low registered in 2007, with no ice expected to block the Northern Seaway at least until September, Xinhua reported citing the Itar-Tass news agency.

"Currently, Arctic navigation conditions are very favourable. By early August, navigation can be done without icebreakers almost along the entire route," said Valery Martyshchenko, head of the bureau's environment pollution monitoring department.

Arctic ice melting: Russian meteorologists - The Economic Times

Good, let it be fast and painless for us all.
 

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