Arctic ice thins dramatically

[annesmith]

Lets save mother earth

 

[IanC]

on a related note- an ice core drill was performed in 2002 by Lonnie Thompson at Bona-Churchill. it unexpectedly only found 2500 years of ice, and warmer temps 400-800 years ago.

using a common method in paleoclimatology, the information is made to disappear simply by not finishing the project. many of the updates in treering measuring are lost in the same fashion when they do not replicate the favoured findings of past reconstructions.

Bona-Churchill, Alaska
The Inconvenient Skeptic » The Integrity of Science

 

[gslack]

Its not a question of following your posts, its that your posts are asinine and lack common as well as any other sense... Dude you really don't understand any of this at all do you.....

Whats even funnier is when you make a fool of yourself on a daily basis you don't even learn from it...

Strange guy isn't he? I ask Chris what exactly it is about the fact that the ice continues to melt as it has for the past 14,000 years and it triggers some switch in his head that makes him spout gibberish and make claims that he has a superior grasp on the science for 3 or for posts.

You have to wonder what goes on in a mind like that? His attempts at logic make me think of great gobs of twisted fishing line.

Yeah I have very little patience with him and Kornhole. Oldsocks is a BSer and has a reason for what he does here if ya watch his postings he will accidentally tip his hand from time to time. He has some vested interest in this crap at least. But Chris is just a blind faithful follower. Kornhole is either a teenager or a shut in with no concept of reality.

I just don't understand anyone who just blindly accepts what others tell them, and worse allow them to tell them who or what is to be trusted.

I am a data analyst by trade. Basically I am given data from as many sources on a subject as possible and I take that data, compile it, and attempt to separate fact from fiction, opinion and nonsense. I then take whats left (hopefully the truth) and put it in a format that a laymen can easily understand and use to advise others on. Now if I had the kind of clouded thinking of these guys I couldn't even begin to do my job for a day much less the 20 years I been doing it.

I didn't understand quantum mechanics at all, and I went and got a book that basically broke it down for general population. It didn't make me a quantum physicist, but It did give me a good basic understanding of its principles and processes. I didn't know so felt I had to find out, and did something about it. Neither of these two are willing to do that and thats sad.. They would rather have someone else tell them this is thus, and that is this. No wonder the US has fallen behind in school...

 

[RollingThunder]

I am a data analyst by trade.

LOLOL....oh come on, slackjawedidiot, it is obvious from the extremely ignorant and delusional nature of your posts that you are really a porn film fluffer "by trade". You couldn't 'analyze' your way out of a wet paper bag.

 

[gslack]

I am a data analyst by trade.

LOLOL....oh come on, slackjawedidiot, it is obvious from the extremely ignorant and delusional nature of your posts that you are really a porn film fluffer "by trade". You couldn't 'analyze' your way out of a wet paper bag.

Ah trollingblunder... So what alter-ego shall we be seeing today? Will it be the blind one line posting type or the obtuse rambling type?

 

[RollingThunder]

I am a data analyst by trade.

LOLOL....oh come on, slackjawedidiot, it is obvious from the extremely ignorant and delusional nature of your posts that you are really a porn film fluffer "by trade". You couldn't 'analyze' your way out of a wet paper bag.

Ah trollingblunder... So what alter-ego shall we be seeing today? Will it be the blind one line posting type or the obtuse rambling type?

So I keep you guessing, eh? LOL. You never do that, slackjawed. We always know just what face you'll be displaying on this forum. The face of an drooling, dim-witted, utter retard, that is kept somewhat obscured from view by the fact that you keep it shoved so far up your ass that you can lick your own tonsils from below.

Too bad you can never manage to post anything but drivel and ignorant nonsense, but then what else can we expect from a brainwashed denier cult cretin like you.

 

[RollingThunder]

Another recent study of current conditions in the Arctic shows one of the reasons why the Arctic sea ice is thinning so rapidly. It is the shift from snowfall to rainfall, induced by rising temperatures, that is exposing the bare ice to the sun's rays.

More Rain, Less Snow Leads to Faster Arctic Ice Melt
ScienceDaily
July 1, 2011
(excerpts)

Rising air temperatures in the Arctic region have led to an increase in rainfall and a decrease in snowfall, making the sea ice more susceptible to melting, a new study has revealed. The Arctic region is warming more rapidly than anywhere else on Earth. Dr Screen of the University's School of Earth Sciences, who led the research, said due to warming temperatures, on more days of the year and in more parts of the polar region, temperatures are becoming too warm for protective snow to form.

"As a result of this temperature shift, we estimate that there has been a 40 percent decrease in summer snowfall over the last 20 years. Snow is highly reflective and bounces up to 85 percent of the incoming sunlight back into space. Snow on top of ice effectively acts as a sunscreen protecting the ice from the power of the sun rays. As the snow cover has decreased, more sea ice has become exposed to the sunlight, increasing the melting of the ice. Measurements show that the sea ice has been getting thinner and less extensive," he said

(In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.)

 

[gslack]

AHHHHHH! water can melt ice!

 

[RollingThunder]

AHHHHHH! water can melt ice!

Yeah, startling news for you retards, I'm sure.

 

[Mr.Nick]

PASADENA, Calif. – Arctic sea ice thinned dramatically between the winters of 2004 and 2008, with thin seasonal ice replacing thick older ice as the dominant type for the first time on record.

The new results, based on data from a NASA Earth-orbiting spacecraft, provide further evidence for the rapid, ongoing transformation of the Arctic’s ice cover.

Scientists from NASA and the University of Washington in Seattle conducted the most comprehensive survey to date using observations from NASA’s Ice, Cloud and land Elevation Satellite, known as ICESat, to make the first basin-wide estimate of the thickness and volume of the Arctic Ocean’s ice cover.

Ron Kwok of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., led the research team, which published its findings July 7 in the Journal of Geophysical Research-Oceans.

The Arctic ice cap grows each winter as the sun sets for several months and intense cold ensues. In the summer, wind and ocean currents cause some of the ice naturally to flow out of the Arctic, while much of it melts in place. But not all of the Arctic ice melts each summer; the thicker, older ice is more likely to survive. Seasonal sea ice usually reaches about 2 meters (6 feet) in thickness, while multi-year ice averages 3 meters (9 feet).

Using ICESat measurements, scientists found that overall Arctic sea ice thinned about 0.17 meters (7 inches) a year, for a total of 0.68 meters (2.2 feet) over four winters. The total area covered by the thicker, older “multi-year” ice that has survived one or more summers shrank by 42 percent.

Arctic ice thinned dramatically between 2004 and 2008 | VANCOUVERITE

You're full of shit but -

Do you know what an ice age is?

Dumb people like you act as if the climate doesn't change - and when it does there is something horribly wrong.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Why are you retards so hell bent on stopping a natural process?

 

[RollingThunder]

PASADENA, Calif. – Arctic sea ice thinned dramatically between the winters of 2004 and 2008, with thin seasonal ice replacing thick older ice as the dominant type for the first time on record.

The new results, based on data from a NASA Earth-orbiting spacecraft, provide further evidence for the rapid, ongoing transformation of the Arctic’s ice cover.

Scientists from NASA and the University of Washington in Seattle conducted the most comprehensive survey to date using observations from NASA’s Ice, Cloud and land Elevation Satellite, known as ICESat, to make the first basin-wide estimate of the thickness and volume of the Arctic Ocean’s ice cover.

Ron Kwok of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., led the research team, which published its findings July 7 in the Journal of Geophysical Research-Oceans.

The Arctic ice cap grows each winter as the sun sets for several months and intense cold ensues. In the summer, wind and ocean currents cause some of the ice naturally to flow out of the Arctic, while much of it melts in place. But not all of the Arctic ice melts each summer; the thicker, older ice is more likely to survive. Seasonal sea ice usually reaches about 2 meters (6 feet) in thickness, while multi-year ice averages 3 meters (9 feet).

Using ICESat measurements, scientists found that overall Arctic sea ice thinned about 0.17 meters (7 inches) a year, for a total of 0.68 meters (2.2 feet) over four winters. The total area covered by the thicker, older “multi-year” ice that has survived one or more summers shrank by 42 percent.

Arctic ice thinned dramatically between 2004 and 2008 | VANCOUVERITE

You're full of shit but -

Do you know what an ice age is?

Dumb people like you act as if the climate doesn't change - and when it does there is something horribly wrong.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Why are you retards so hell bent on stopping a natural process?

Because it is not a natural process this time but you are obviously far too retarded, brainwashed and ignorant to be able to comprehend that fact no matter how much evidence you're shown. We all know what wrong with dumb people like you but since you're so stupid, I'll show you a picture of how you and the other denier cultists appear to the intelligent people of the world.

Edited-Meister

 

[gslack]

AHHHHHH! water can melt ice!

Yeah, startling news for you retards, I'm sure.

Excuse me but WHO posted the story???

LOL you're an idiot. They are laughing at you right now same as the rest of us.

 

[Old Rocks]

So you claim to be a data analyst. Well, for sure, my company would not hire anyone as incompetant as you obviously are. Nor would I waste time reading your analysis of quantum mechanics.

I post articles, lectures, and data from the scientists that are actually studying this subject. You post yap-yap about what a smart fellow you are, and then fail to back any of your yap-yap up with real science.

 

[Chris]

The United Nations' most recent global climate report "fails to capture trends in Arctic sea-ice thinning and drift, and in some cases substantially underestimates these trends," says a new research from MIT.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Fourth Assessment Report, released in 2007, forecasts an ice-free Arctic summer by the year 2100.

However, the Arctic sea ice may be thinning four times faster than predicted, according to Pierre Rampal and his research team of MIT'S Department of Earth, Atmosphere, and Planetary Sciences (EAPS).

The research team's findings will be published in the Journal of Geophysical Research-Oceans.

After comparing IPCC models with actual data, Rampal and his collaborators concluded that the forecasts were significantly off. IPCC models focused on changes in temperature, which are one way to lose or gain ice. However, Rampal said that the report underestimates mechanical forces that contributed to ice-melting.

UN Climate Report Fails to Capture Arctic Ice Thinning Reality: MIT - International Business Times

 

[Chris]

Average ice extent for July 2011 was 7.92 million square kilometers (3.06 million square miles). This is 210,000 square kilometers (81,000 square miles) below the previous record low for the month, set in July 2007, and 2.18 million square kilometers (842,000 square miles) below the average for 1979 to 2000.

Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis

 

[Truthmatters]

Climate veriability ( winds currents and the like) are also brreaking down the ice.

 

[RollingThunder]

Climate veriability(sic) ( winds currents and the like) are also brreaking(sic) down the ice.

And what do scientists say is causing the changes in "winds, currents and the like" that is now causing them to contribute to the shrinking and thinning of the Arctic sea ice cover? Global warming. The same factor that has raised temperatures in the Arctic 7 to 10 degrees and warmed the ocean waters too. Anthropogenic global warming is causing the disappearance of the Arctic ice cap. That's a fact.

 

[Truthmatters]

CLIMATE VERIABILITY!



that was the first words I typed.


Guess what sceince says is causing the Climate veriability?

 

[wirebender]

Because it is not a natural process this time but you are obviously far too retarded, brainwashed and ignorant to be able to comprehend that fact no matter how much evidence you're shown. We all know what wrong with dumb people like you but since you're so stupid, I'll show you a picture of how you and the other denier cultists appear to the intelligent people of the world.

Not a natural process "this time". I am laughing great donkey laughs HE HAW HEEE HAAAAW HEE HAAAW in your face again thunder.

Tell me thunder, what is happening "this time" that is outside the boundries of natural variability? What is happening "this time" that is even approaching the borders of natural variability?

Answer the question thunder. What is happening in the climate now that is unprecedented, and completely unique on the planet earth?

I will enjoy seeing you fail to answer the question and put the lie to your claim that it is not a natural process "this time".

The more your hoax falls down around your ears, the more shrill you get. Pathetic thunder. I posted some avatars of wringing hands on another thread for another hand wringer. Maybe you could pick out one for yourself.

 

[wirebender]

I post articles, lectures, and data from the scientists that are actually studying this subject. You post yap-yap about what a smart fellow you are, and then fail to back any of your yap-yap up with real science.

But you don't have a clue as to what they say, or what they mean, or whether the methods described are accurate or appropriate. It is a matter of faith for you rocks. You couldn't begin to do the math so you have no idea as to the veracity of the things you past here. You accept them on faith. Simple, and sad as that.