Arctic ice thins dramatically

[RollingThunder]

CLIMATE VERIABILITY(sic)!

that was the first words I typed.

Guess what sceince(sic) says is causing the Climate veriability(sic)?

What is happening now to the Earth's climate patterns is outside the limits of natural variability. That is the conclusion of the scientists who've been studying this for decades.

The American Geophysical Union (AGU) statement, adopted by the society in 2003 and revised in 2007, affirms that rising levels of greenhouse gases have caused and will continue to cause the global surface temperature to be warmer:

The Earth's climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate system—including the temperatures of the atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the sea level, the distribution of precipitation, and the length of seasons—are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century. Global average surface temperatures increased on average by about 0.6°C over the period 1956–2006. As of 2006, eleven of the previous twelve years were warmer than any others since 1850. The observed rapid retreat of Arctic sea ice is expected to continue and lead to the disappearance of summertime ice within this century. Evidence from most oceans and all continents except Antarctica shows warming attributable to human activities. Recent changes in many physical and biological systems are linked with this regional climate change. A sustained research effort, involving many AGU members and summarized in the 2007 assessments of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, continues to improve our scientific understanding of the climate.​

 

[Truthmatters]

RT you are missing the fact that I agree with you.

 

[wirebender]

[And what do scientists say is causing the changes in "winds, currents and the like" that is now causing them to contribute to the shrinking and thinning of the Arctic sea ice cover? Global warming. The same factor that has raised temperatures in the Arctic 7 to 10 degrees and warmed the ocean waters too. Anthropogenic global warming is causing the disappearance of the Arctic ice cap. That's a fact.

7 to 10 degrees? I am laughing at you again thunder. Perhaps your priests haven't informed you that there is a signifigant warming bias in the data they use. Seems that any paper that used ERA-40 as a basis for claimed arctic warming isn't worth the paper it is printed on. That covers about every paper written since 1997.

Indictment Of The ERA-40 Reanalysis In A New Paper “Erroneous Arctic Temperature Trends in the ERA-40 Reanalysis: A Closer Look” By Screen and Simmonds 2011 | Climate Science: Roger Pielke Sr.

It is all falling down around your ears thunder. Keep on waving those pom poms though, it is hilarious and truely pathetic at the same time.

 

[wirebender]

The Earth's climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming.

So you are posting scripture now as well? Tell me thunder, what is happening in the climate now that is outside of, or even approaching the borders of natural variability? The answer to that question is nothing. That being the case, upon what grounds do you suppose the claim that the climate is out of balance can be supported?

Think guy. Use your brain. If the climate is within the bounds of natural variability, how can it possibly be out of balance?

 

[Truthmatters]

Roger A. Pielke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




Pielke has a somewhat nuanced position on climate change, which is sometimes taken for skepticism, a label that he explicitly renounces.[3][4] He has said:
the evidence of a human fingerprint on the global and regional climate is incontrovertible as clearly illustrated in the National Research Council report and in our research papers (e.g. see [http://blue.atmos.colostate.edu/publications/pdf/R-258.pdf]). [1]

 

[skookerasbil]

Who cares s0n............

Ice is expanding in the Antarctic............Antarctica Showing Significant Cooling with Ice Expansion - Associated Content from Yahoo! - associatedcontent.com


Cherry picked variability is gay.............

 

[yidnar]

The United Nations' most recent global climate report "fails to capture trends in Arctic sea-ice thinning and drift, and in some cases substantially underestimates these trends," says a new research from MIT.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Fourth Assessment Report, released in 2007, forecasts an ice-free Arctic summer by the year 2100.

However, the Arctic sea ice may be thinning four times faster than predicted, according to Pierre Rampal and his research team of MIT'S Department of Earth, Atmosphere, and Planetary Sciences (EAPS).

The research team's findings will be published in the Journal of Geophysical Research-Oceans.

After comparing IPCC models with actual data, Rampal and his collaborators concluded that the forecasts were significantly off. IPCC models focused on changes in temperature, which are one way to lose or gain ice. However, Rampal said that the report underestimates mechanical forces that contributed to ice-melting.

UN Climate Report Fails to Capture Arctic Ice Thinning Reality: MIT - International Business Times

maybe you are over estimating it!!

 

[Mr.Nick]

PASADENA, Calif. – Arctic sea ice thinned dramatically between the winters of 2004 and 2008, with thin seasonal ice replacing thick older ice as the dominant type for the first time on record.

The new results, based on data from a NASA Earth-orbiting spacecraft, provide further evidence for the rapid, ongoing transformation of the Arctic’s ice cover.

Scientists from NASA and the University of Washington in Seattle conducted the most comprehensive survey to date using observations from NASA’s Ice, Cloud and land Elevation Satellite, known as ICESat, to make the first basin-wide estimate of the thickness and volume of the Arctic Ocean’s ice cover.

Ron Kwok of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., led the research team, which published its findings July 7 in the Journal of Geophysical Research-Oceans.

The Arctic ice cap grows each winter as the sun sets for several months and intense cold ensues. In the summer, wind and ocean currents cause some of the ice naturally to flow out of the Arctic, while much of it melts in place. But not all of the Arctic ice melts each summer; the thicker, older ice is more likely to survive. Seasonal sea ice usually reaches about 2 meters (6 feet) in thickness, while multi-year ice averages 3 meters (9 feet).

Using ICESat measurements, scientists found that overall Arctic sea ice thinned about 0.17 meters (7 inches) a year, for a total of 0.68 meters (2.2 feet) over four winters. The total area covered by the thicker, older “multi-year” ice that has survived one or more summers shrank by 42 percent.

Arctic ice thinned dramatically between 2004 and 2008 | VANCOUVERITE

You're full of shit but -

Do you know what an ice age is?

Dumb people like you act as if the climate doesn't change - and when it does there is something horribly wrong.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Why are you retards so hell bent on stopping a natural process?

Because it is not a natural process this time but you are obviously far too retarded, brainwashed and ignorant to be able to comprehend that fact no matter how much evidence you're shown. We all know what wrong with dumb people like you but since you're so stupid, I'll show you a picture of how you and the other denier cultists appear to the intelligent people of the world.

XXXXXX edited-Meister
Wow...

We're only coming off an ice age...

How do you think the Great Lakes were created?

Yes this is very much a natural process - it has only occurred 20+ times.

I suppose you expect people to dismiss geological history so retards like you can have your "the sky is falling" sissy boy slap parties.

Not to mention the intellectually dishonest ones that you refer to as "scientists" we're caught red handed manipulating or in some cases ignoring weather data while admitting they had an agenda.

Of course you don't care because this AGW bullshit is your religion and you're going to sick with it because you're really not a person of truth but rather a stubborn asshole.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Average ice extent for July 2011 was 7.92 million square kilometers (3.06 million square miles). This is 210,000 square kilometers (81,000 square miles) below the previous record low for the month, set in July 2007, and 2.18 million square kilometers (842,000 square miles) below the average for 1979 to 2000.

Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis

Ever hear of snowball earth?

At one period Geo was a gigantic ball of ice.

Care to explain what occurred that caused that ice to melt?

So what makes it different this time? oh and by the way it has only occurred 20+ times (at least) since then.

 

[wirebender]

Pielke has a somewhat nuanced position on climate change, which is sometimes taken for skepticism, a label that he explicitly renounces.[3][4] He has said:
the evidence of a human fingerprint on the global and regional climate is incontrovertible as clearly illustrated in the National Research Council report and in our research papers (e.g. see [http://blue.atmos.colostate.edu/publications/pdf/R-258.pdf]). [1]

That does not alter the fact that he is convinced that the surface record is not reliable.

 

[RollingThunder]

Because it is not a natural process this time but you are obviously far too retarded, brainwashed and ignorant to be able to comprehend that fact no matter how much evidence you're shown. We all know what wrong with dumb people like you but since you're so stupid, I'll show you a picture of how you and the other denier cultists appear to the intelligent people of the world.

Not a natural process "this time". I am laughing great donkey laughs HE HAW HEEE HAAAAW HEE HAAAW in your face again thunder.

Tell me thunder, what is happening "this time" that is outside the boundries of natural variability? What is happening "this time" that is even approaching the borders of natural variability?

Answer the question thunder. What is happening in the climate now that is unprecedented, and completely unique on the planet earth?

I will enjoy seeing you fail to answer the question and put the lie to your claim that it is not a natural process "this time".

The more your hoax falls down around your ears, the more shrill you get. Pathetic thunder. I posted some avatars of wringing hands on another thread for another hand wringer. Maybe you could pick out one for yourself.

Here ya go, you silly braindead retard.

- Arctic sea ice minimum is decreasing 11.5% per decade.

- Sea levels are rising at a current rate of about 3.27mm per year and accelerating.

- Global average temperature has increased 1.5 degrees in the last 130 years.

- Greenland is losing about 100 billion tons of ice mass per year.

- Many places have less snowpack than they used to, and this snowpack is melting earlier, threatening water supplies for human consumption and agriculture worldwide.

- Most of the glaciers all over the world have been melting for at least the last 50 years, and the rate of melting is speeding up. Many glaciers in many parts of the world, including both Glacier National Park and Alaska here in America, have shrunk dramatically or in some cases, disappeared entirely.

- Permafrost all across the Arctic in Alaska, Canada and Siberia is melting rapidly.

- 2010 was the third consecutive year—and the third time in recorded history—that both the Northwest Passage and Northeast Passage have melted free. The Northeast Passage opened for the first time in recorded history in 2005 and the Northwest Passage in 2007.

- Overall, the world's oceans are warmer now than at any point in at least the last 50 years and probably much longer. The change is most obvious in the top layer of the ocean, which has grown much warmer since the late 1800s. This top layer is now getting warmer at a rate of 0.2°F per decade.

- The amount of carbon dioxide dissolved in the oceans has increased all over the world over the last few decades, and so has ocean acidity, posing grave threats to ocean ecology and the food chain.

- Since the 1970s, droughts have become longer and more extreme worldwide, particularly in the tropics and subtropics.

- Over the past 20 years, hurricanes and other tropical storms in the Atlantic Ocean have become stronger.

- Since the 1980s, the United States has also experienced more intense single-day storms that are dumping a lot more rain or snow than usual.

- The global warming induced rise in ocean temperatures has caused more water to evaporate, raising water vapor levels in the atmosphere by about 4% and, as a result, the world is, on average, already getting more precipitation now than it did 100 years ago: 6 percent more in the United States and nearly 2 percent more worldwide.

 

[Meister]

Because it is not a natural process this time but you are obviously far too retarded, brainwashed and ignorant to be able to comprehend that fact no matter how much evidence you're shown. We all know what wrong with dumb people like you but since you're so stupid, I'll show you a picture of how you and the other denier cultists appear to the intelligent people of the world.

Not a natural process "this time". I am laughing great donkey laughs HE HAW HEEE HAAAAW HEE HAAAW in your face again thunder.

Tell me thunder, what is happening "this time" that is outside the boundries of natural variability? What is happening "this time" that is even approaching the borders of natural variability?

Answer the question thunder. What is happening in the climate now that is unprecedented, and completely unique on the planet earth?

I will enjoy seeing you fail to answer the question and put the lie to your claim that it is not a natural process "this time".

The more your hoax falls down around your ears, the more shrill you get. Pathetic thunder. I posted some avatars of wringing hands on another thread for another hand wringer. Maybe you could pick out one for yourself.

Here ya go, you silly braindead retard.

- Arctic sea ice minimum is decreasing 11.5% per decade.

- Sea levels are rising at a current rate of about 3.27mm per year and accelerating.

- Global average temperature has increased 1.5 degrees in the last 130 years.

- Greenland is losing about 100 billion tons of ice mass per year.

- Many places have less snowpack than they used to, and this snowpack is melting earlier, threatening water supplies for human consumption and agriculture worldwide.

- Most of the glaciers all over the world have been melting for at least the last 50 years, and the rate of melting is speeding up. Many glaciers in many parts of the world, including both Glacier National Park and Alaska here in America, have shrunk dramatically or in some cases, disappeared entirely.

- Permafrost all across the Arctic in Alaska, Canada and Siberia is melting rapidly.

- 2010 was the third consecutive year—and the third time in recorded history—that both the Northwest Passage and Northeast Passage have melted free. The Northeast Passage opened for the first time in recorded history in 2005 and the Northwest Passage in 2007.

- Overall, the world's oceans are warmer now than at any point in at least the last 50 years and probably much longer. The change is most obvious in the top layer of the ocean, which has grown much warmer since the late 1800s. This top layer is now getting warmer at a rate of 0.2°F per decade.

- The amount of carbon dioxide dissolved in the oceans has increased all over the world over the last few decades, and so has ocean acidity, posing grave threats to ocean ecology and the food chain.

- Since the 1970s, droughts have become longer and more extreme worldwide, particularly in the tropics and subtropics.

- Over the past 20 years, hurricanes and other tropical storms in the Atlantic Ocean have become stronger.

- Since the 1980s, the United States has also experienced more intense single-day storms that are dumping a lot more rain or snow than usual.

- The global warming induced rise in ocean temperatures has caused more water to evaporate, raising water vapor levels in the atmosphere by about 4% and, as a result, the world is, on average, already getting more precipitation now than it did 100 years ago: 6 percent more in the United States and nearly 2 percent more worldwide.

You have shown what is happening this time...using "your facts".
How do you know it's different than in this past? It could very well have had the same effects each time Earth warms up after an ice age.....just sayin...

 

[RollingThunder]

You have shown what is happening this time...using "your facts".
How do you know it's different than in this past? It could very well have had the same effects each time Earth warms up after an ice age.....just sayin...

Just because you're so ignorant about all this does not mean that the scientists who study this professionally are equally ignorant and clueless.

The Earth stopped warming up after the end of the last glacial period over 5000 years ago in a period called the Holocene Thermal Maximum and it then started a long term cooling trend that would have eventually initiated another glacial period if not for mankind's ignorantly foolish and very unfortunate influence on the atmospheric balance of greenhouse gases.

 

[Meister]

You have shown what is happening this time...using "your facts".
How do you know it's different than in this past? It could very well have had the same effects each time Earth warms up after an ice age.....just sayin...

Just because you're so ignorant about all this does not mean that the scientists who study this professionally are equally ignorant and clueless.

The Earth stopped warming up after the end of the last glacial period over 5000 years ago in a period called the Holocene Thermal Maximum and it then started a long term cooling trend that would have eventually initiated another glacial period if not for mankind's ignorantly foolish and very unfortunate influence on the atmospheric balance of greenhouse gases.

A buffoon calling someone else ignorant...now that's just rich, R.T.

You haven't a clue on what in hell your talking about.
You pay scientists enough to fund their existence, they will come up with your desired end game.
I also find it interesting that there is such a high concentration of "people" in the green movement that are socialists and communists. Which one are you sonny?
You might try and lay off your holier-than-thou attitude, you really come off looking stupid.

 

[konradv]

Average ice extent for July 2011 was 7.92 million square kilometers (3.06 million square miles). This is 210,000 square kilometers (81,000 square miles) below the previous record low for the month, set in July 2007, and 2.18 million square kilometers (842,000 square miles) below the average for 1979 to 2000.

Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis

Ever hear of snowball earth?

At one period Geo was a gigantic ball of ice.

Care to explain what occurred that caused that ice to melt?

So what makes it different this time? oh and by the way it has only occurred 20+ times (at least) since then.

MAN!!! Haven't you been paying attention, troll. If you're going to post, at least pay attention to what's being said. SHEESH!!!

 

[saveliberty]

You have shown what is happening this time...using "your facts".
How do you know it's different than in this past? It could very well have had the same effects each time Earth warms up after an ice age.....just sayin...

Just because you're so ignorant about all this does not mean that the scientists who study this professionally are equally ignorant and clueless.

The Earth stopped warming up after the end of the last glacial period over 5000 years ago in a period called the Holocene Thermal Maximum and it then started a long term cooling trend that would have eventually initiated another glacial period if not for mankind's ignorantly foolish and very unfortunate influence on the atmospheric balance of greenhouse gases.

...and an ice ages helps humanity how?

 

[wirebender]

Here ya go, you silly braindead retard.

Arctic sea ice minimum is decreasing 11.5% per decade.

So that has never happened before? Lets see the evidence.

- Sea levels are rising at a current rate of about 3.27mm per year and accelerating.

Aside from being a lie, that also would not be unprecedented. Of course, feel free to provide evidence to support your claim that such a rise is outside the boundries of natural variability

- Global average temperature has increased 1.5 degrees in the last 130 years.

Again, a lie, but even if there were such a rise in 130 years, again it would not be unprecedented.

- Greenland is losing about 100 billion tons of ice mass per year.

Once again, a lie, but that also would not be outside the borders of natural variability.

- Many places have less snowpack than they used to, and this snowpack is melting earlier, threatening water supplies for human consumption and agriculture worldwide.

And that is outside of natural variability how?

- Most of the glaciers all over the world have been melting for at least the last 50 years, and the rate of melting is speeding up. Many glaciers in many parts of the world, including both Glacier National Park and Alaska here in America, have shrunk dramatically or in some cases, disappeared entirely.

The glaciers have been melting back for 14,000 years now and have receeded almost 2,000 miles along with a corresponding sea level rise of nearly 500 feet by the way. How exactly, does the piddling melting you claim achieve the status of unprecedented?

- Permafrost all across the Arctic in Alaska, Canada and Siberia is melting rapidly.

And that is a new thing on earth how? Face it guy, for the bulk of earth history, there has been no ice at all at one, or both of the poles.

- 2010 was the third consecutive year—and the third time in recorded history—that both the Northwest Passage and Northeast Passage have melted free. The Northeast Passage opened for the first time in recorded history in 2005 and the Northwest Passage in 2007.

And you believe that is unprecedented? Laughing in your face thunder. Laughing in your face.

- Overall, the world's oceans are warmer now than at any point in at least the last 50 years and probably much longer. The change is most obvious in the top layer of the ocean, which has grown much warmer since the late 1800s. This top layer is now getting warmer at a rate of 0.2°F per decade.

Again, a lie, but 50 years? WOW. That is certainly a basis to claim "unprecedented" You get more pathetic the harder you try.

- The amount of carbon dioxide dissolved in the oceans has increased all over the world over the last few decades, and so has ocean acidity, posing grave threats to ocean ecology and the food chain.

Again, a lie, but oceanic CO2 levels have been far higher thunder. Hell, corals evolved when atmospheric CO2 levels measured in the thousands of ppm.

- Since the 1970s, droughts have become longer and more extreme worldwide, particularly in the tropics and subtropics.

Going back 40 years. Again. WOW. How exactly do you suppose that qualifies as unprecedented? How many peer reviewed studies would you like to see showing far more extensive droughts of longer duration way before man's CO2 was a factor?

Laughing at you thunder. Still laughing at you.

- Over the past 20 years, hurricanes and other tropical storms in the Atlantic Ocean have become stronger.

Again, a lie. You sure lie a lot, but even that, if it were true would not be unprecedented or outside the realm of natural variability. You are so weak.

- Since the 1980s, the United States has also experienced more intense single-day storms that are dumping a lot more rain or snow than usual.

More lies, but even if they were true, do you believe that at no time in history has the north american continent experienced more intense single day storms? Lets see the proof of such a claim.

- The global warming induced rise in ocean temperatures has caused more water to evaporate, raising water vapor levels in the atmosphere by about 4% and, as a result, the world is, on average, already getting more precipitation now than it did 100 years ago: 6 percent more in the United States and nearly 2 percent more worldwide.

Again, are you claiming that this is unprecedented? Geez guy, you struck out completely. About half your claims are lies but even if they were true, they would not even approach the limits of natural variability.

I strongly suggest that you grab yourself one of those hand wringing avatars before the best ones have been taken.

Laughing at you thunder. Laughing real loud at you.

 

[wirebender]

Just because you're so ignorant about all this does not mean that the scientists who study this professionally are equally ignorant and clueless.

Of course they are clueless as evidenced by their long string of failed prophecies.

 

[Trakar]

Just because you're so ignorant about all this does not mean that the scientists who study this professionally are equally ignorant and clueless.

Of course they are clueless as evidenced by their long string of failed prophecies.

Please cite and reference these "failed prophecies" of which you speak.

 

[Trakar]

...and an ice ages helps humanity how?

Who clained an ice age would help humanity?