Are Children of Illegal Immigrants Citizens of the U.S.?

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There are only a few cases that deal with citizenship at birth in the US

Sailor's Snug Harbor: Nothing is better settled at the common law than the doctrine that the children even of aliens born in a country while the parents are resident there under the protection of the government and owing a temporary allegiance thereto are subjects by birth. Requires the parents to be resident, i.e. legally residing in the country.

Elk v. Wilkins: Indians

United States v. Wong Kim Ark: is born in the United States of parents who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of a foreign power whose parents have a permanent domicile and residence in the United State whose parents are there carrying on business and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity of the foreign power to which they are subject becomes, at the time of his birth, a citizen of the United States by virtue of the first clause of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution.

There is NO case that says children born to illegals are citizens at birth, there is NO case that comes to that conclusion. In fact each case requires the parents to be here domiciled and resident.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

..... I guarantee, face to face, I would make you cry like a little bitch. .......

Oh really? You "guarantee"? Wow. Is that because you're such a tough guy, tough guy? Is that it? You Billy Badass? Very impressive.


What a clown show.

Maybe he has one of those sad faces that just make people cry......lol.....

He is like one of those people who still insist that the income tax is unconstitutional....and then cite all sorts of crap as if that will change reality.

Income tax is unconstitutional? WOW! Sorry to disappoint.

Cite all sorts of crap? None of those cites have either of you been able to refute, the only thing you have shown is that you haven't the first clue as to what policy is, how it is changed, let alone what actual law is, or how to comprehend or apply actual court opinion.

The reality is that children born to illegals are only assumed to be born citizens via administrative policy, which is easily changed with a new administration.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

A person who is born in the United States can get proof of his American citizenship by applying for a U.S. passport- and providing as part of the application, a certified copy of his birth certificate-- which notes that he or she was born in the United States

Proof of U.S. Citizenship and Identification When Applying for a Job

Proof of U.S. Citizenship and Identification When Applying for a Job

Your U.S. passport is your best proof of U.S. citizenship

Are you a citizen born in the United States?

Your birth certificate provides proof of citizenship. If you need a copy of your birth certificate, contact the Bureau of Vital Statistics in the State in which you were born. We do not issue any kind of citizenship document to a person who is a citizen by birth in the United States.

First Time Applicants
Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship (You must submit one of the following. Photocopies and notarized copies are not acceptable):

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  • Previously issued, undamaged, and fully valid U.S. Passport (5 year for minors or 10 years for adults)
  • Certified U.S. birth certificate (must meet all of the following requirements):
    • Issued by the City, County, or State of birth
    • Lists bearer's full name, date of birth, and place of birth
    • Lists parent(s) full names
    • Has date filed with registrar's office (must be within one year of birth)
    • Has registrar's signature
    • Has embossed, impressed, or multicolored seal of registrar
    • Photocopies and notarized copies are unacceptable

A birth certificate, according to your link, is but evidence and can be denied by the US Department of State. Evidence isn't proof and a US Birth Certificate doesn't mean you are a US Citizen. Might I suggest you look to the actual law regarding the
42 CFR 435.407 - Types of acceptable documentary evidence of citizenship.

And to the Senior Official from the State Department They Say They Were Born in the U.S.A. The State Department Says Prove It

"Usually a state-issued birth certificate is sufficient to establish U.S. nationality," says Michael Kirby, a senior official for consular affairs at the State Department. But, given the fraud committed by some south Texas midwives, "we want to be careful that we issue passports to everybody who is eligible and not to anyone who isn't," he says, acknowledging that thousands of passport applicants could be affected.

Your link is even more limiting as it requires a specific type of birth certificate, a Certified U.S. birth certificate ([that] must meet all of the following requirements).

Now the problem with your link is it claims the following: Your birth certificate provides proof of citizenship. It then goes on to limit that claim by requiring a Certified Copy that has very specific requirements on it. Certified U.S. birth certificate (must meet all of the following requirements) Its funny when your link limits itself and you fail in recognizing the mistake you made by searching headlines. But hey, intellectual ignorance and dishonesty seems to be your forte'.

On a side note, citizenship must be established by the person in a manner the Department of State will accept, otherwise one is merely assumed to be a citizen.

 

[Unkotare]

..... I guarantee, face to face, I would make you cry like a little bitch. .......

Oh really? You "guarantee"? Wow. Is that because you're such a tough guy, tough guy? Is that it? You Billy Badass? Very impressive.


What a clown show.

Aw, the show was so brief...

 

[Syriusly]

A person who is born in the United States can get proof of his American citizenship by applying for a U.S. passport- and providing as part of the application, a certified copy of his birth certificate-- which notes that he or she was born in the United States

Proof of U.S. Citizenship and Identification When Applying for a Job

Proof of U.S. Citizenship and Identification When Applying for a Job

Your U.S. passport is your best proof of U.S. citizenship

Are you a citizen born in the United States?

Your birth certificate provides proof of citizenship. If you need a copy of your birth certificate, contact the Bureau of Vital Statistics in the State in which you were born. We do not issue any kind of citizenship document to a person who is a citizen by birth in the United States.

First Time Applicants
Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship (You must submit one of the following. Photocopies and notarized copies are not acceptable):

• 
  
  
  • Previously issued, undamaged, and fully valid U.S. Passport (5 year for minors or 10 years for adults)
  • Certified U.S. birth certificate (must meet all of the following requirements):
    • Issued by the City, County, or State of birth
    • Lists bearer's full name, date of birth, and place of birth
    • Lists parent(s) full names
    • Has date filed with registrar's office (must be within one year of birth)
    • Has registrar's signature
    • Has embossed, impressed, or multicolored seal of registrar
    • Photocopies and notarized copies are unacceptable

A birth certificate, according to your link, is but evidence and can be denied by the US Department of State. Evidence isn't proof and a US Birth Certificate doesn't mean you are a US Citizen. Might I suggest you look to the actual law regarding the
42 CFR 435.407 - Types of acceptable documentary evidence of citizenship.

And to the Senior Official from the State Department They Say They Were Born in the U.S.A. The State Department Says Prove It

"Usually a state-issued birth certificate is sufficient to establish U.S. nationality," says Michael Kirby, a senior official for consular affairs at the State Department. But, given the fraud committed by some south Texas midwives, "we want to be careful that we issue passports to everybody who is eligible and not to anyone who isn't," he says, acknowledging that thousands of passport applicants could be affected.

Your link is even more limiting as it requires a specific type of birth certificate, a Certified U.S. birth certificate ([that] must meet all of the following requirements).

Now the problem with your link is it claims the following: Your birth certificate provides proof of citizenship. It then goes on to limit that claim by requiring a Certified Copy that has very specific requirements on it. Certified U.S. birth certificate (must meet all of the following requirements) Its funny when your link limits itself and you fail in recognizing the mistake you made by searching headlines. But hey, intellectual ignorance and dishonesty seems to be your forte'.

On a side note, citizenship must be established by the person in a manner the Department of State will accept, otherwise one is merely assumed to be a citizen.

Anyone born in the United States is assumed to be a citizen- and as noted- a certified birth certificate is the standard of evidence of citizenship.

When I applied for my passport the only evidence of my citizenship was my birth certificate. No other is required- UNLESS- there is a reason to doubt the veracity of the birth certificate- such as fraud that happened in Texas.

And what was the fraud? Frauduantly claiming that someone was born in the United States- because that is all that is required.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

A person who is born in the United States can get proof of his American citizenship by applying for a U.S. passport- and providing as part of the application, a certified copy of his birth certificate-- which notes that he or she was born in the United States

Proof of U.S. Citizenship and Identification When Applying for a Job

Proof of U.S. Citizenship and Identification When Applying for a Job

Your U.S. passport is your best proof of U.S. citizenship

Are you a citizen born in the United States?

Your birth certificate provides proof of citizenship. If you need a copy of your birth certificate, contact the Bureau of Vital Statistics in the State in which you were born. We do not issue any kind of citizenship document to a person who is a citizen by birth in the United States.

First Time Applicants
Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship (You must submit one of the following. Photocopies and notarized copies are not acceptable):

• 
  
  
  • Previously issued, undamaged, and fully valid U.S. Passport (5 year for minors or 10 years for adults)
  • Certified U.S. birth certificate (must meet all of the following requirements):
    • Issued by the City, County, or State of birth
    • Lists bearer's full name, date of birth, and place of birth
    • Lists parent(s) full names
    • Has date filed with registrar's office (must be within one year of birth)
    • Has registrar's signature
    • Has embossed, impressed, or multicolored seal of registrar
    • Photocopies and notarized copies are unacceptable

A birth certificate, according to your link, is but evidence and can be denied by the US Department of State. Evidence isn't proof and a US Birth Certificate doesn't mean you are a US Citizen. Might I suggest you look to the actual law regarding the
42 CFR 435.407 - Types of acceptable documentary evidence of citizenship.

And to the Senior Official from the State Department They Say They Were Born in the U.S.A. The State Department Says Prove It

"Usually a state-issued birth certificate is sufficient to establish U.S. nationality," says Michael Kirby, a senior official for consular affairs at the State Department. But, given the fraud committed by some south Texas midwives, "we want to be careful that we issue passports to everybody who is eligible and not to anyone who isn't," he says, acknowledging that thousands of passport applicants could be affected.

Your link is even more limiting as it requires a specific type of birth certificate, a Certified U.S. birth certificate ([that] must meet all of the following requirements).

Now the problem with your link is it claims the following: Your birth certificate provides proof of citizenship. It then goes on to limit that claim by requiring a Certified Copy that has very specific requirements on it. Certified U.S. birth certificate (must meet all of the following requirements) Its funny when your link limits itself and you fail in recognizing the mistake you made by searching headlines. But hey, intellectual ignorance and dishonesty seems to be your forte'.

On a side note, citizenship must be established by the person in a manner the Department of State will accept, otherwise one is merely assumed to be a citizen.

Anyone born in the United States is assumed to be a citizen- and as noted- a certified birth certificate is the standard of evidence of citizenship.

When I applied for my passport the only evidence of my citizenship was my birth certificate. No other is required- UNLESS- there is a reason to doubt the veracity of the birth certificate- such as fraud that happened in Texas.

And what was the fraud? Frauduantly claiming that someone was born in the United States- because that is all that is required.

No other evidence is required? You also needed an ID that the Department of State would accept and a Social Security Number. Please follow the instruction on the form DS-11 http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/212239.pdf otherwise you can be denied even with your Certified Birth Certificate.

Failure to provide information requested on the form, including your social security number, may result in significant processing delays and/or the denial of your application.

Glad to see you now recognizing that you are nothing but an assumed born citizen unless you have a US Passport stating you are a US Citizen. Then you go right back to only needing to be born in the US which is patently false and an ignorant claim to make since children born outside the US can also be recognized as US citizens.

Juan Aranda was born in the US, yet he was denied a US Passport, as he was unable to establish he was a US Citizen even with his recognized certified birth certificate and all the third and fourth tier documents that the Department of State accepts.

Are you claiming that the mid-wife who birthed Juan Aranda filed a fraudulent form? That his birth certificate itself was fraudulent? If it was the required State of Texas Certified Birth Certificate why then was he denied? Why isn't his attorney exclaiming that Rios-Pineda makes him a US citizen by birth because dicta mandates it, or that Plyler makes him one based on the fact he was "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" by being "within the state" of Texas, or WKA, or the 14th Amendment in it's clear and precise words?

Where are all your claims now?