Are vaccine makers immune from liability?

[EvMetro]

No Lockdowns: The Terrifying Polio Pandemic of 1949-52

What’s remarkable in light of the near-global coercive lockdown for COVID-19 is how the terrible and terrifying disease of polio was managed almost entirely by a private and voluntary system of health professionals, innovators, parental responsibility, localized caution, and individual volition...

www.aier.org

This has been true for awhile. You may be able to file a claim under the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. Just FYI, Virginia's Workers Comp system is set up very similarly. Worker's Comp is the exclusive remedy for workplace injury in the state by statute.

If a company is not willing to stand behind their product as safe, especially one they rushed to market and skipped animal trials on, what does this tell you?

Humans are animals. Film at 11.

No, that's not the way the FDA delineates their clinical trials. They run tests on animals and then humans.

An imal trials are to see if human trials are warranted and safe.

If they skipped animal trials and went straight to human trials with only test tube trials, and those in the human trials accepted no animal trials were done, before their trial, then I don't think they can sue.

since the human trials turned out to be effective with no major consequences that would have stopped any other human trial from going forward to the public....

along with FDA approval on moving the vaccine in to the public's arms, I don't think they can be easily sued...?

BUT IF AS AN EXAMPLE, the vaccine maker lied about their human trial results to the FDA who issued them emergency use approval, then I do believe they could be held liable.....

All fine and well but 2-3 months of human testing isn't going to afford too many answers compared to a clinical trial that lasts 8-12 years.

what good would waiting 10 to 12 years do... to the 100 million killed from the virus over the next 12 years, if everyone waited?

Yes, it is a leap of faith...but waiting 10 to 12 years, is out of the question....

No, its not a leap of faith. It's how real science works.

Yes, people getting vaccinated before the 10 years of trials are done, IS HOW Science works, with vaccines.

Yes, before the general public receives them. That is how it works. Clinical trials have always lasted 8-12 years. This one should have been no different with a mortality rate of 99.7. Another note, you don't vaccinate an entire world with a new technology while a pandemic is happening.

The trials WILL LAST 10 to 12 years silly one! And no, we do not ever, wait for the 10 years to be done before giving the vaccines to the public....the flu vaccines change every year...?

Starting in the 1930s, it took decades of research to understand the complexities of influenza, and it wasn't until 1945 that the first vaccine was approved for use in the US. Polio vaccine was first attempted on monkeys and children in 1935 but was unsuccessful. Two more decades of research paved the way for the development of vaccines by salk in 1953 and sabin in 1956. Its really that simple. We're seeing junk science right now.

this isn't junk science....they've been working on the MRNA technology for 10 years....

you just are unable to keep up with technology and the sciences, which move at a faster pace now.

We have no idea of the effects of this experimental injection. We do know that ferrets and felines faired very well with the initial injection but then all died after the wild virus was introduced. Strangely, the animal trials seemed to disappear from this latest clinical trial. Weird huh? Straight to human trials....................and only 8 weeks for the initial phase.

Another problem is related to how long the mRNA remains stable in your system. It’s encased in nanolipid to prevent it from degrading too rapidly, but what happens if the mRNA degrades too slowly, or not at all? We don't know how long it stays stable.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

No Lockdowns: The Terrifying Polio Pandemic of 1949-52

What’s remarkable in light of the near-global coercive lockdown for COVID-19 is how the terrible and terrifying disease of polio was managed almost entirely by a private and voluntary system of health professionals, innovators, parental responsibility, localized caution, and individual volition...

www.aier.org

This has been true for awhile. You may be able to file a claim under the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. Just FYI, Virginia's Workers Comp system is set up very similarly. Worker's Comp is the exclusive remedy for workplace injury in the state by statute.

If a company is not willing to stand behind their product as safe, especially one they rushed to market and skipped animal trials on, what does this tell you?

Humans are animals. Film at 11.

No, that's not the way the FDA delineates their clinical trials. They run tests on animals and then humans.

An imal trials are to see if human trials are warranted and safe.

If they skipped animal trials and went straight to human trials with only test tube trials, and those in the human trials accepted no animal trials were done, before their trial, then I don't think they can sue.

since the human trials turned out to be effective with no major consequences that would have stopped any other human trial from going forward to the public....

along with FDA approval on moving the vaccine in to the public's arms, I don't think they can be easily sued...?

BUT IF AS AN EXAMPLE, the vaccine maker lied about their human trial results to the FDA who issued them emergency use approval, then I do believe they could be held liable.....

All fine and well but 2-3 months of human testing isn't going to afford too many answers compared to a clinical trial that lasts 8-12 years.

what good would waiting 10 to 12 years do... to the 100 million killed from the virus over the next 12 years, if everyone waited?

Yes, it is a leap of faith...but waiting 10 to 12 years, is out of the question....

No, its not a leap of faith. It's how real science works.

Yes, people getting vaccinated before the 10 years of trials are done, IS HOW Science works, with vaccines.

Yes, before the general public receives them. That is how it works. Clinical trials have always lasted 8-12 years. This one should have been no different with a mortality rate of 99.7. Another note, you don't vaccinate an entire world with a new technology while a pandemic is happening.

The trials WILL LAST 10 to 12 years silly one! And no, we do not ever, wait for the 10 years to be done before giving the vaccines to the public....the flu vaccines change every year...?

Starting in the 1930s, it took decades of research to understand the complexities of influenza, and it wasn't until 1945 that the first vaccine was approved for use in the US. Polio vaccine was first attempted on monkeys and children in 1935 but was unsuccessful. Two more decades of research paved the way for the development of vaccines by salk in 1953 and sabin in 1956. Its really that simple. We're seeing junk science right now.

this isn't junk science....they've been working on the MRNA technology for 10 years....

you just are unable to keep up with technology and the sciences, which move at a faster pace now.

We have no idea of the effects of this experimental injection. We do know that ferrets and felines faired very well with the initial injection but then all died after the wild virus was introduced. Strangely, the animal trials seemed to disappear from this latest clinical trial. Weird huh? Straight to human trials....................and only 8 weeks for the initial phase.

Another problem is related to how long the mRNA remains stable in your system. It’s encased in nanolipid to prevent it from degrading too rapidly, but what happens if the mRNA degrades too slowly, or not at all? We don't know how long it stays stable.

Exactly right and that's a huge concern. We have no idea.

 

[Orangecat]

If a company is not willing to stand behind their product as safe, especially one they rushed to market and skipped animal trials on, what does this tell you?

It tells me that they suspect (or know) it will be unsafe for many and they don't want to face liability lawsuits.
The dodging and diversion being displayed on this thread is quite telling.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

If a company is not willing to stand behind their product as safe, especially one they rushed to market and skipped animal trials on, what does this tell you?

It tells me that they suspect (or know) it will be unsafe for many and they don't want to face liability lawsuits.
The dodging and diversion being displayed on this thread is quite telling.

I think they have indemnification of all liabilities on this one.

 

[Orangecat]

If a company is not willing to stand behind their product as safe, especially one they rushed to market and skipped animal trials on, what does this tell you?

It tells me that they suspect (or know) it will be unsafe for many and they don't want to face liability lawsuits.
The dodging and diversion being displayed on this thread is quite telling.

I think they have indemnification of all liabilities on this one.

In all fairness, if I ran a pharmaceutical company and the fed-gov asked me to rush a vaccine to the market, I'd make sure my company was protected from lawsuits.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

If a company is not willing to stand behind their product as safe, especially one they rushed to market and skipped animal trials on, what does this tell you?

It tells me that they suspect (or know) it will be unsafe for many and they don't want to face liability lawsuits.
The dodging and diversion being displayed on this thread is quite telling.

I think they have indemnification of all liabilities on this one.

In all fairness, if I ran a pharmaceutical company and the fed-gov asked me to rush a vaccine to the market, I'd make sure my company was protected from lawsuits.

Same here but there needs to be some level of accountability. Let's see if the FDA rubber stamps full approved usage or denies it based on all of the adverse reactions and deaths.

 

[postman]

All fine and well but 2-3 months of human testing isn't going to afford too many answers compared to a clinical trial that lasts 8-12 years.

WOW. I would hate for you to be in charge of O.K.ing the new 5G phone network. You would have done 8-12 years of tests to see if it was safe first.

 

[Orangecat]

Same here but there needs to be some level of accountability.

I agree.
The accountability should lie with the dems and MSM that hyper-inflated public fear over a virus with a less than 1% mortality rate, which prompted the political establishment to react by rushing the vaccine development.
Kinda like crying "fire" in a crowded theater, come to think of it.
Trump had a hand in this as well, but more as a political firewall against the constant criticism from the left.

 

[Orangecat]

WOW. I would hate for you to be in charge of O.K.ing the new 5G phone network. You would have done 8-12 years of tests to see if it was safe first.

No one is injecting 5G into their bloodstream.

 

[postman]

In all fairness, if I ran a pharmaceutical company and the fed-gov asked me to rush a vaccine to the market, I'd make sure my company was protected from lawsuits.

The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) is a United States law that protects firearms manufacturers and dealers...

 

[postman]

WOW. I would hate for you to be in charge of O.K.ing the new 5G phone network. You would have done 8-12 years of tests to see if it was safe first.

No one is injecting 5G into their bloodstream.

They're just holding devices radiating EMF within inches of their brains.

 

[Orangecat]

The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) is a United States law that protects firearms manufacturers and dealers...

Irrelevant. If someone bashes your head in with a baseball bat, do you think the company that made the bat should be liable? Or the Big-5 where it was purchased?

 

[postman]

A comprehensive review of the health risks associated with exposure to ELF-electric and magnetic fields (EMF) published in 2001 reported a small increase of 10%–20% in the risk of brain cancer for a broad group of electrical occupations

Although there were some uncertainties, both epidemiological studies found that there is unlikely to be a material increase in risk of adult brain tumors or childhood leukemia resulting from the exposure to either ELF-EMF or RF-EMF

 

[Orangecat]

They're just holding devices radiating EMF within inches of their brains.

And the sun can cause skin cancer, too.

 

[postman]

Irrelevant. If someone bashes your head in with a baseball bat, do you think the company that made the bat should be liable?

If they marketed it, or sold it as an instrument to bash skulls, instead of hitting baseballs, then YES.

 

[EvMetro]

If a company is not willing to stand behind their product as safe, especially one they rushed to market and skipped animal trials on, what does this tell you?

It tells me that they suspect (or know) it will be unsafe for many and they don't want to face liability lawsuits.
The dodging and diversion being displayed on this thread is quite telling.

I think they have indemnification of all liabilities on this one.

In all fairness, if I ran a pharmaceutical company and the fed-gov asked me to rush a vaccine to the market, I'd make sure my company was protected from lawsuits.

Same here but there needs to be some level of accountability. Let's see if the FDA rubber stamps full approved usage or denies it based on all of the adverse reactions and deaths.

I think that if they aren't going to be accountable, the public would need to be made aware of the real risks and truth that people like us are aware of. Transparency. No censorship. Appropriate media coverage to all parts of society with all types of political bias.

 

[postman]

They're just holding devices radiating EMF within inches of their brains.

And the sun can cause skin cancer, too.

Don't you think a 8-12 year study is warranted before full scale deployment?

Just sayin'

 

[postman]

I think that if they aren't going to be accountable, the public would need to be made aware of the real risks and truth that people like us are aware of. Transparency. No censorship. Appropriate media coverage to all parts of society with all types of political bias.

Have you ever read a prescription label? Not what's on the bottle, but the literature that comes on the bottle at the pharmacy.

 

[Care4all]

Same here but there needs to be some level of accountability.

I agree.
The accountability should lie with the dems and MSM that hyper-inflated public fear over a virus with a less than 1% mortality rate, which prompted the political establishment to react by rushing the vaccine development.
Kinda like crying "fire" in a crowded theater, come to think of it.
Trump had a hand in this as well, but more as a political firewall against the constant criticism from the left.

1% of the America populace, is 3.2 MILLION dead....that's unacceptable.

 

[postman]

The accountability should lie with the dems and MSM that hyper-inflated public fear over a virus with a less than 1% mortality rate, which prompted the political establishment to react by rushing the vaccine development.

1% of the America populace, is 3.2 MILLION dead....that's unacceptable.

How would you feel if the Post Office lost 1% of your mail?
(call it 1% mortality)

Be honest. Is that acceptable?