Are we headed to war? Iraq embassy being evacuated

[Lesh]

I began a thread on this subject a week ago and this site saw fit to trash it (sent it to the flame zone)

Obviously this issue is real

 

[McRocket]

You are being lied to in preparation for action.

““Recent comments from OIR’s deputy commander run counter to the identified credible threats available to intelligence from US and allies regarding Iranian-backed forces in the region,” the CENTCOM statement said.”

Top British Commander In Rare Public Dispute With US Over Iran Intelligence

Well, not much general confidence in the Brits these days.

True, and for good reason. They’ve played the lackey for a good long time. That’s why it’s notable when one finds it in himself to rise up from his boot licking and contradict his masters.

Well said...you appear to have a way with words.

 

[Wry Catcher]

...I think you are a neocon and neocons who call for war and who have never served make me sick (unliterally).
Have a nice day.

Nobody here CARES what you think, boy! Nor has anyone "called for war," fool. First you thought you could get me on IQ and now you think you can get me on service to the country and it turns out you were nothing more than a "weekend warrior" that never even left town. You're just as much of a fraud as I thought you were.

How do you know, no one has "called" for war. You have no clue. Saber Rattling, bellicose rhetoric and the movement of a Naval and Air Force Task Force into the region is Brinkmanship.

 

[toobfreak]

...I think you are a neocon and neocons who call for war and who have never served make me sick (unliterally).
Have a nice day.

Nobody here CARES what you think, boy! Nor has anyone "called for war," fool. First you thought you could get me on IQ and now you think you can get me on service to the country and it turns out you were nothing more than a "weekend warrior" that never even left town. You're just as much of a fraud as I thought you were.

How do you know, no one has "called" for war. You have no clue. Saber Rattling, bellicose rhetoric and the movement of a Naval and Air Force Task Force into the region is Brinkmanship.

No. YOU have no clue. Some idiot thinks that I'M calling for war just because if we go to war I want it to be a swift and decisive fight. The same chowderhead who thinks you're not entitled to your own opinion unless you are part of the 2/5ths of 1% of people in active service who also thinks you don't and can't serve your country unless you sign up to shine shoes and clean toilets on the weekend while doing a few training exercises in the comfort of a safe no combat zone in your backyard.

So I guess if you work for Boeing or Lockheed Martin, et al, you're not "serving your country" as well. Never mind. No figuring out the abysmally stupid.

 

[basquebromance]

“Trump grew angry last week and over the weekend about what he sees as warlike planning that is getting ahead of his own thinking, said a senior administration official.” - Washington Post

"This is like hiring AOC to do your domestic policy then getting angry about what you see as socialism-like planning. Why did you hire warmongers if you didn't want a war, President Trump" - Coulter

 

[McRocket]

“Trump grew angry last week and over the weekend about what he sees as warlike planning that is getting ahead of his own thinking, said a senior administration official.” - Washington Post

"This is like hiring AOC to do your domestic policy then getting angry about what you see as socialism-like planning. Why did you hire warmongers if you didn't want a war, President Trump" - Coulter

I don't like Coulter.

But she does make sense more often then I used to think.

And at least she is a Rep with the guts to call out Trump when he messes up. I have long admired her toughness.

 

[basquebromance]

“Trump grew angry last week and over the weekend about what he sees as warlike planning that is getting ahead of his own thinking, said a senior administration official.” - Washington Post

"This is like hiring AOC to do your domestic policy then getting angry about what you see as socialism-like planning. Why did you hire warmongers if you didn't want a war, President Trump" - Coulter

I don't like Coulter.

But she does make sense more often then I used to think.

And at least she is a Rep with the cuts to call out Trump when he messes up.

she's anti-war and i admire her for it!

 

[McRocket]

“Trump grew angry last week and over the weekend about what he sees as warlike planning that is getting ahead of his own thinking, said a senior administration official.” - Washington Post

"This is like hiring AOC to do your domestic policy then getting angry about what you see as socialism-like planning. Why did you hire warmongers if you didn't want a war, President Trump" - Coulter

I don't like Coulter.

But she does make sense more often then I used to think.

And at least she is a Rep with the cuts to call out Trump when he messes up.

she's anti-war and i admire her for it!

Well, if she is...I admire that about her.

They are preciously few in America today.

 

[basquebromance]

“Trump grew angry last week and over the weekend about what he sees as warlike planning that is getting ahead of his own thinking, said a senior administration official.” - Washington Post

"This is like hiring AOC to do your domestic policy then getting angry about what you see as socialism-like planning. Why did you hire warmongers if you didn't want a war, President Trump" - Coulter

I don't like Coulter.

But she does make sense more often then I used to think.

And at least she is a Rep with the cuts to call out Trump when he messes up.

she's anti-war and i admire her for it!

Well, if she is...I admire that about her.

They are preciously few in America today.

let's March On Washington if Trump makes war with Iran!

 

[McRocket]

“Trump grew angry last week and over the weekend about what he sees as warlike planning that is getting ahead of his own thinking, said a senior administration official.” - Washington Post

"This is like hiring AOC to do your domestic policy then getting angry about what you see as socialism-like planning. Why did you hire warmongers if you didn't want a war, President Trump" - Coulter

I don't like Coulter.

But she does make sense more often then I used to think.

And at least she is a Rep with the cuts to call out Trump when he messes up.

she's anti-war and i admire her for it!

Well, if she is...I admire that about her.

They are preciously few in America today.

let's March On Washington if Trump makes war with Iran!

If I can make the time...I am there (sorry I cannot be more definite).

But I 100% agree with your idea...it's MEGA cool.

 

[basquebromance]

“Trump grew angry last week and over the weekend about what he sees as warlike planning that is getting ahead of his own thinking, said a senior administration official.” - Washington Post

"This is like hiring AOC to do your domestic policy then getting angry about what you see as socialism-like planning. Why did you hire warmongers if you didn't want a war, President Trump" - Coulter

I don't like Coulter.

But she does make sense more often then I used to think.

And at least she is a Rep with the cuts to call out Trump when he messes up.

she's anti-war and i admire her for it!

Well, if she is...I admire that about her.

They are preciously few in America today.

let's March On Washington if Trump makes war with Iran!

If I can make the time...I am there (sorry I cannot be more definite).

But I 100% agree with your idea...it's MEGA cool.

 

[McRocket]

I don't like Coulter.

But she does make sense more often then I used to think.

And at least she is a Rep with the cuts to call out Trump when he messes up.

she's anti-war and i admire her for it!

Well, if she is...I admire that about her.

They are preciously few in America today.

let's March On Washington if Trump makes war with Iran!

If I can make the time...I am there (sorry I cannot be more definite).

But I 100% agree with your idea...it's MEGA cool.

I was thinking the EXACT, SAME THING.

 

[xyz]

Some idiot thinks that I'M calling for war just because if we go to war I want it to be a swift and decisive fight.

Against Iran? No chance.

Maybe if the target/goal is changed to Kuwait or Bahrain instead.

 

[U2Edge]

No...you don't think/care about them. You just want your neocon victory over Iran.

Well, ButtWhistle, you are quickly showing that your claim of a 125 IQ was a lie as well. You don't know what I care about, you think I want Americans to die? You really are an ass. But if we are to go to war with Iran, I want it to be for a good necessary cause and for us to accomplish our goal quickly.

Funny how we defeated Germany and Japan in just a few short years with crude weapons but now people think every war must run decades with no end in sight. You either commit to fighting a war to win, or you resign yourself to an endless police action. Trump ain't no cop.

You typed the following:

'If we go to war against Iran under Trump, I bet it goes a lot differently than our attack on Saddam Hussein under the Bushes.

THIS president has a set of balls the size of maracas. Trump is no police action president.'

AND

'Yeah, what could the mightiest military on the planet with a budget of nearly a trillion dollars unleashed possibly do against a backward 12th century nation the size of Alaska run by ayatollahs?'

That is neocon talk. The talk of someone who does not have to put his own butt on the line.

If you truly cared about those troopers and their families - you would want Trump to avoid war AT ALL COSTS. And you would want him to honor his 'America First' promise.

But no...you sound like a guy who wants war....like it's 'some, damn football game'.

If you had put your neck on the line...okay. But you haven't. You say you have physical limitations? I call bullshit. I say you don't have the guts or the honor.
And you can always do volunteer service. But no...you cannot be bothered.

So you should hope for peace and keep your neocon drooling to yourself.

Maybe you are not calling for it as much as some.

But guys like you who refuse to stick their necks out for their country should shut the fuck up and hope for peace.

Every American has a right and a responsibility to be concerned about when the armed forces of the United States are used overseas to protect American interest. Most Americans cannot serve in the United States military. You would have to have a standing military of over 15 million for that to be even remotely possible. But every American can and should vote on these issues and voice their opinions. Its their responsibility to do so as citizens of this country.

Nearly all Americans supported military operations to track down and kill Osama Bin Ladin. But 85% to 90% of Americans were not serving or have ever served in the military. Every citizen, regardless of whether they have served in the military, has a right and a responsibility to judge whether they support military action in any particular situation.

Right to judge? Sure.

Be gung ho like toobfreak is when he did not even serve/volunteer to help.

Not in my book.


And you can join the reserves you know - that is not part of a 'standing army'? That's what I did.

As far as I am concerned - it should be like Switzerland...everyone who can has to join the reserves after serving in the 'standing army' for a relatively short period.


Anyway, I am not talking to you about this...I am talking to toobfreak.

Good day.

Being in the National Guard or Reserves is essentially being in the ACTIVE military. Whenever a Division or Brigade deploys overseas, there are usually components of that Unit or that support that unit that are found in the Reserves or National Guard and must be called up and deployed. The United States National Guard has almost as many Combat Brigades as the United States ACTIVE Army. Every single combat brigade in the United States National Guard were deployed to either Iraq or Afghanistan at least once, several were deployed multiple times. Serving in the National Guard or Reserves is only one weekend a month, two weeks a year, during peacetime. When the country goes to war, Guard and Reserve units can be deployed ANYWHERE at ANYTIME indefinitely.

Now a note about numbers:

The United States currently has a total active+reserve strength all services of 2,212,350 people.

In order to maintain that total active+reserve strength, the military must recruit a total of 268,767 people every year, given the number of people who's enlistments end and leave the military every year.

Guess how many people in the United States turn 18 every year on average: 4,277,000

01. Number of people reaching military age(18) each year: 4,277,000
02. Number of people the military needs to recruit each year to maintain current strength: 268,767
03. Just 6.3% of the people turning 18 this year would be enough to meet all the military's recruiting needs for the year.
04. There would be no room for the other 93.7% of people turning 18 unless you expand total active+reserve strength which is already 2,212,350
05. In order for there to be spots in the military for all 4,277,000 people turning 18 this year in the United States, you would have to expand TOTAL ACTIVE+RESERVE STRENGTH to 35,060,000

BOTTOM LINE: If you want everyone in the United States to have served in the military, you need to increase the total ACTIVE+RESERVE military from 2,212,350 to 35,060,000. That way, there would be entry level positions open every year for all 4,277,000 people reaching eligible military age each year, which is 18.

That's the reality of living in a country of 329,000,000 people where 4,277,000 are reaching the age of 18 each year. If you want the United States to have universal military service, you need a minimum total active+reserve military strength of 35,060,000.

Essentially, you need a military force(active+reserve) that is 16 times the size of the current military force. The size of the defense budget would have to expand from the current $604 Billion to $9.7 TRILLION!

 

[Bush92]

Why U.S. Just Ordered Non-Emergency Employees to Leave Iraq Embassy

Sure seems like a preamble.

Why does every single president get us into wars? The timing is very suspicious imo

Let’s just kick Iran in the fucking mullahs and move on.

 

[Bush92]

Ha

No...you don't think/care about them. You just want your neocon victory over Iran.

Well, ButtWhistle, you are quickly showing that your claim of a 125 IQ was a lie as well. You don't know what I care about, you think I want Americans to die? You really are an ass. But if we are to go to war with Iran, I want it to be for a good necessary cause and for us to accomplish our goal quickly.

Funny how we defeated Germany and Japan in just a few short years with crude weapons but now people think every war must run decades with no end in sight. You either commit to fighting a war to win, or you resign yourself to an endless police action. Trump ain't no cop.

You typed the following:

'If we go to war against Iran under Trump, I bet it goes a lot differently than our attack on Saddam Hussein under the Bushes.

THIS president has a set of balls the size of maracas. Trump is no police action president.'

AND

'Yeah, what could the mightiest military on the planet with a budget of nearly a trillion dollars unleashed possibly do against a backward 12th century nation the size of Alaska run by ayatollahs?'

That is neocon talk. The talk of someone who does not have to put his own butt on the line.

If you truly cared about those troopers and their families - you would want Trump to avoid war AT ALL COSTS. And you would want him to honor his 'America First' promise.

But no...you sound like a guy who wants war....like it's 'some, damn football game'.

If you had put your neck on the line...okay. But you haven't. You say you have physical limitations? I call bullshit. I say you don't have the guts or the honor.
And you can always do volunteer service. But no...you cannot be bothered.

So you should hope for peace and keep your neocon drooling to yourself.

Maybe you are not calling for it as much as some.

But guys like you who refuse to stick their necks out for their country should shut the fuck up and hope for peace.

Every American has a right and a responsibility to be concerned about when the armed forces of the United States are used overseas to protect American interest. Most Americans cannot serve in the United States military. You would have to have a standing military of over 15 million for that to be even remotely possible. But every American can and should vote on these issues and voice their opinions. Its their responsibility to do so as citizens of this country.

Nearly all Americans supported military operations to track down and kill Osama Bin Ladin. But 85% to 90% of Americans were not serving or have ever served in the military. Every citizen, regardless of whether they have served in the military, has a right and a responsibility to judge whether they support military action in any particular situation.

Right to judge? Sure.

Be gung ho like toobfreak is when he did not even serve/volunteer to help.

Not in my book.


And you can join the reserves you know - that is not part of a 'standing army'? That's what I did.

As far as I am concerned - it should be like Switzerland...everyone who can has to join the reserves after serving in the 'standing army' for a relatively short period.


Anyway, I am not talking to you about this...I am talking to toobfreak.

Good day.

Being in the National Guard or Reserves is essentially being in the ACTIVE military. Whenever a Division or Brigade deploys overseas, there are usually components of that Unit or that support that unit that are found in the Reserves or National Guard and must be called up and deployed. The United States National Guard has almost as many Combat Brigades as the United States ACTIVE Army. Every single combat brigade in the United States National Guard were deployed to either Iraq or Afghanistan at least once, several were deployed multiple times. Serving in the National Guard or Reserves is only one weekend a month, two weeks a year, during peacetime. When the country goes to war, Guard and Reserve units can be deployed ANYWHERE at ANYTIME indefinitely.

Now a note about numbers:

The United States currently has a total active+reserve strength all services of 2,212,350 people.

In order to maintain that total active+reserve strength, the military must recruit a total of 268,767 people every year, given the number of people who's enlistments end and leave the military every year.

Guess how many people in the United States turn 18 every year on average: 4,277,000

01. Number of people reaching military age(18) each year: 4,277,000
02. Number of people the military needs to recruit each year to maintain current strength: 268,767
03. Just 12.2% of the people turning 18 this year would be enough to meet all the military's recruiting needs for the year.
04. There would be no room for the other 88% of people turning 18 unless you expand total active+reserve strength which is already 2,212,350
05. In order for there to be spots in the military for all 4,277,000 people turning 18 this year in the United States, you would have to expand TOTAL ACTIVE+RESERVE STRENGTH to 35,060,000

BOTTOM LINE: If you want everyone in the United States to have served in the military, you need to increase the total ACTIVE+RESERVE military from 2,212,350 to 35,060,000. That way, there would be entry level positions open every year for all 4,277,000 people reaching eligible military age each year, which is 18.

That's the reality of living in a country of 329,000,000 people where 4,277,000 are reaching the age of 18 each year. If you want the United States to have universal military service, you need a minimum total active+reserve military strength of 35,060,000.

Essentially, you need a military force(active+reserve) that is 16 times the size of the current military force. The size of the defense budget would have to expand from the current $604 Billion to $9.7 TRILLION!

Being in the Reserves is nothing like being in the active duty military.

 

[U2Edge]

Ha

Well, ButtWhistle, you are quickly showing that your claim of a 125 IQ was a lie as well. You don't know what I care about, you think I want Americans to die? You really are an ass. But if we are to go to war with Iran, I want it to be for a good necessary cause and for us to accomplish our goal quickly.

Funny how we defeated Germany and Japan in just a few short years with crude weapons but now people think every war must run decades with no end in sight. You either commit to fighting a war to win, or you resign yourself to an endless police action. Trump ain't no cop.

You typed the following:

'If we go to war against Iran under Trump, I bet it goes a lot differently than our attack on Saddam Hussein under the Bushes.

THIS president has a set of balls the size of maracas. Trump is no police action president.'

AND

'Yeah, what could the mightiest military on the planet with a budget of nearly a trillion dollars unleashed possibly do against a backward 12th century nation the size of Alaska run by ayatollahs?'

That is neocon talk. The talk of someone who does not have to put his own butt on the line.

If you truly cared about those troopers and their families - you would want Trump to avoid war AT ALL COSTS. And you would want him to honor his 'America First' promise.

But no...you sound like a guy who wants war....like it's 'some, damn football game'.

If you had put your neck on the line...okay. But you haven't. You say you have physical limitations? I call bullshit. I say you don't have the guts or the honor.
And you can always do volunteer service. But no...you cannot be bothered.

So you should hope for peace and keep your neocon drooling to yourself.

Maybe you are not calling for it as much as some.

But guys like you who refuse to stick their necks out for their country should shut the fuck up and hope for peace.

Every American has a right and a responsibility to be concerned about when the armed forces of the United States are used overseas to protect American interest. Most Americans cannot serve in the United States military. You would have to have a standing military of over 15 million for that to be even remotely possible. But every American can and should vote on these issues and voice their opinions. Its their responsibility to do so as citizens of this country.

Nearly all Americans supported military operations to track down and kill Osama Bin Ladin. But 85% to 90% of Americans were not serving or have ever served in the military. Every citizen, regardless of whether they have served in the military, has a right and a responsibility to judge whether they support military action in any particular situation.

Right to judge? Sure.

Be gung ho like toobfreak is when he did not even serve/volunteer to help.

Not in my book.


And you can join the reserves you know - that is not part of a 'standing army'? That's what I did.

As far as I am concerned - it should be like Switzerland...everyone who can has to join the reserves after serving in the 'standing army' for a relatively short period.


Anyway, I am not talking to you about this...I am talking to toobfreak.

Good day.

Being in the National Guard or Reserves is essentially being in the ACTIVE military. Whenever a Division or Brigade deploys overseas, there are usually components of that Unit or that support that unit that are found in the Reserves or National Guard and must be called up and deployed. The United States National Guard has almost as many Combat Brigades as the United States ACTIVE Army. Every single combat brigade in the United States National Guard were deployed to either Iraq or Afghanistan at least once, several were deployed multiple times. Serving in the National Guard or Reserves is only one weekend a month, two weeks a year, during peacetime. When the country goes to war, Guard and Reserve units can be deployed ANYWHERE at ANYTIME indefinitely.

Now a note about numbers:

The United States currently has a total active+reserve strength all services of 2,212,350 people.

In order to maintain that total active+reserve strength, the military must recruit a total of 268,767 people every year, given the number of people who's enlistments end and leave the military every year.

Guess how many people in the United States turn 18 every year on average: 4,277,000

01. Number of people reaching military age(18) each year: 4,277,000
02. Number of people the military needs to recruit each year to maintain current strength: 268,767
03. Just 12.2% of the people turning 18 this year would be enough to meet all the military's recruiting needs for the year.
04. There would be no room for the other 88% of people turning 18 unless you expand total active+reserve strength which is already 2,212,350
05. In order for there to be spots in the military for all 4,277,000 people turning 18 this year in the United States, you would have to expand TOTAL ACTIVE+RESERVE STRENGTH to 35,060,000

BOTTOM LINE: If you want everyone in the United States to have served in the military, you need to increase the total ACTIVE+RESERVE military from 2,212,350 to 35,060,000. That way, there would be entry level positions open every year for all 4,277,000 people reaching eligible military age each year, which is 18.

That's the reality of living in a country of 329,000,000 people where 4,277,000 are reaching the age of 18 each year. If you want the United States to have universal military service, you need a minimum total active+reserve military strength of 35,060,000.

Essentially, you need a military force(active+reserve) that is 16 times the size of the current military force. The size of the defense budget would have to expand from the current $604 Billion to $9.7 TRILLION!

Being in the Reserves is nothing like being in the active duty military.

Tell that to members of the Army Reserve and Marine Corp Reserve who have served in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan. Members of the Army Reserve, and Marine Corp Reserve have been killed in action and wounded in action in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[U2Edge]

If might makes right, then Iran should steamroll Israel, if they can.

Of course, wittle baby Israel has to run to the USA for help.

^^^

Knows nothing of the Yom Kippur War.

Six Arab nations tried and failed to conquer Israel in 1973. I don't recall the US getting involved.

Iran wasn't involved in that one.

It's only a matter of time, when Israel falls.

Tick tock, tick tock.

Really, who is planning to attack Israel, a country recognized by over 160 countries around the world?

If might makes right to create Israel, then might makes right to destroy Israel.

If Iran can do it, it's not our business.

Poland fought for 800 years surrounded by enemies, without falling, it still fell.

It's only a matter of time before Israel falls, surrounded by enemies.

01. There are only 5 countries that border Israel, Palestine, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, and Syria.
02. Two of those countries recognize Israel's right to exist, Egypt and Jordan.
03. Palestine is not officially a state. Only the terrorist group Humas has any real military organization and they have proven incapable of defending against Israel's incursions into the West Bank and Gaza
04. Syria is in ruins and 25% of its citizens have fled the country because of the civil war there. The Syrian military is a shadow of its former self.
05. Lebanon is a small country with a small military. The military organization of Hezobolah in Lebanon is strong, but again it struggles to be able to defend Lebanese territory from Israely attack and has no true offensive military capability to sieze and hold territory in Israel.

Finally, Israel has nuclear weapons. If Israel was going to be wiped off the face of the map, Israel would no doubt use the 100 or so nuclear weapons on the nation or nations committing such an act.

 

[U2Edge]

...I think you are a neocon and neocons who call for war and who have never served make me sick (unliterally).
Have a nice day.

Nobody here CARES what you think, boy! Nor has anyone "called for war," fool. First you thought you could get me on IQ and now you think you can get me on service to the country and it turns out you were nothing more than a "weekend warrior" that never even left town. You're just as much of a fraud as I thought you were.

How do you know, no one has "called" for war. You have no clue. Saber Rattling, bellicose rhetoric and the movement of a Naval and Air Force Task Force into the region is Brinkmanship.

No, its standard U.S. policy. There is usually always an Aircraft Carrier task force scheduled to be located in or near the Persian Gulf. So the Aircraft Carrier Task force is a normal rotation. Only 5 B-52 Bombers are being flown to the Persian Gulf from the United States. Then there is maybe a patriot missile battery that will deploy. Again, these are small numbers, most of them due to normal schedule rotations.

 

[U2Edge]

I don't like Coulter.

But she does make sense more often then I used to think.

And at least she is a Rep with the cuts to call out Trump when he messes up.

she's anti-war and i admire her for it!

Well, if she is...I admire that about her.

They are preciously few in America today.

let's March On Washington if Trump makes war with Iran!

If I can make the time...I am there (sorry I cannot be more definite).

But I 100% agree with your idea...it's MEGA cool.

Don't believe the hype. Iran and the United States are not going to war now or anytime soon.