Are you christian?

[The Irish Ram]

Thanks Peach, I'll read that when I get back.

 

[hangover]

Michael is a messenger, and an angel. No where does the Bible say that Christ is a priest of the order of Michael. So we know Melchizedek is not Michael. I don't believe that the angel Michael in the Bible came here for a while in the form of a man and was crowned King of Salem. The Bible is the inspired word of God. What you quote HaS are man's contributions. The Bible does not explain Melchizedek in enough detail to come to a firm conclusion. For me he falls under the heading of, I'll find out when I get there.....

Strange that someone that Christ is the priest "AFTER THE ORDER OF", that has no beginning nor end of days, would be spoken so little of in the bible. But then, the priests that at Nicaea were more interested in giving power to Constantine and the church, than to the high priest of God.

 

[HaShev]

Because with non linear time one can be born in the end of linear time, but be in the beginning or message anywhere between, thus the phrase no father or mother ( in the place visited) until the time he is born later at the end of linear time.
Today Einsteins theory of time and space was proven, so scoffers and stasists and non believers can go grab a tooth brush and join Hobelim at the temple mount to brush the grounds, because non linear time is officially validated.
Melchizedek's last name is in the holy city he was priest of. Remember it was Canaan, so to secret the name find the Canaanite transliteration for Shalem. Or build the temple(Mikdash) in his(first) name in the city in his (last) name and find out then. ;-)

 

[peach174]

According to the Chazalic literature Melchizedek was the nick name for Shem the son of Noah.
Which makes sense because Jesus was the descendant of Shem.

 

[hangover]

According to the Chazalic literature Melchizedek was the nick name for Shem the son of Noah.
Which makes sense because Jesus was the descendant of Shem.

Melchizedek has no beginning or end of days...wasn't born.

 

[peach174]

According to the Chazalic literature Melchizedek was the nick name for Shem the son of Noah.
Which makes sense because Jesus was the descendant of Shem.

Melchizedek has no beginning or end of days...wasn't born.

That is a misunderstanding.
Some do not rightly understand the saying of the Apostle Paul; for Shem, the son of Noah, after he had taken Melchizedek, and withdrew him from his parents, did not set down in writing how old he was, when he went into the east, nor what was his age when he died; but Melchizedek was the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Salah, the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah; and yet none of those patriarchs is called his father. This only the Apostle Paul means, that none of his family served in the temple, nor were children and tribes assigned to him. Matthew and Luke the evangelists only relate the heads of tribes: hence the Apostle Paul does not write the name of his father, nor the name of his mother.''

 

[The Irish Ram]

Interesting stuff Peach. If Melchizedek was the first born of God, then Mel would predate the angels and Adam. And I could see him coming down to minister to Enoch and the like, but having a human genealogy messes with my head. I don't believe the concept of him being superior to Christ. Christ and God are one, so that would make him superior to God. But being the first of God's and Christ's creation is intriguing. But if he was the first of God's creations, then he was created before Peleg was born. So did he enter Peleg's wife's womb? I wish we had more to go on where Melchizedek is concerned. If Christ is of Melchizedek's order, then it must be some impressive order.

 

[OZman]

If Melchizedek was the first born of God, then Mel would predate the angels and Adam.

Could Melchizedek be Adam Kadmon. ADAM ḲADMON - JewishEncyclopedia.com

 

[The Irish Ram]

That's interesting. I'm going to have to read it again to let it sink in before I can form an opinion about it. It's not a simple read.
Thanks Ozman

 

[HaShev]

quote:"Jesus was the descendant of Shem".

I think you mean pen not Shem.
And that other poster who understands lineages why not try Jesus lineage going through all the harlots of the Bible, hence his church is called the Harlot church for sleeping with many kingdoms and oromoting rhe son of the harlot Mary of 100bc.
Source:Matthew mentions four sinful harlot women of the bible conveniently and coincidentally in the Joseph genealogy:
1) (Genesis 38:12-19) Tamar who was the one who disguised herself as a harlot to seduce her father-in-law Judah.
2) (Joshua 2:1) Rahab who was a harlot living in the city of Jericho. And note wasn’t even of Jewish lineage, she was a Canaanite. The creators of the legend/image icon in trying to create his lineage and plagiarizing the OT goofed this one big time.
3) (Ruth 3:1-14) Ruth who was the one through her mother-in-law Naomi's request, came secretly to where Boaz was sleeping and spent the night with him. Later Ruth and Boaz were married.
4) (2 Samuel 11:2-5) Bathsheba was the controversial one who became pregnant by King David while she was still married to Uriah.

Jesus lineage is through the pen and his writers creating his image.
Yeshu was through Pantheras the Roman Soldier, Mathews christ is disqualified as per the sources posted.
Ask yourself this: what is a visitation from another time line, is without parents in that era & even Family Guy gets this simple question, when Stewie sends copies of himself to various time lines.
Now reread your NT in greek the description of the priest of Shalem the phrase is talking about "to make a facsimile",
"to produce a model or copy".
If an atheistic comic like Seth MacFarlane can grasp this concept then why can't you so called believers? Doesn't the fact you don't even believe or know your own concocted stories tell you something? You are just about a gang/affiliation/need to belong and be 0art of something even tou don't really have faith in. This is why I liken Christianity to Amway, it's about validating your mistake by signing people up even when you don't believe or value your own product.

 

[hangover]

According to the Chazalic literature Melchizedek was the nick name for Shem the son of Noah.
Which makes sense because Jesus was the descendant of Shem.

Melchizedek has no beginning or end of days...wasn't born.

That is a misunderstanding.
Some do not rightly understand the saying of the Apostle Paul; for Shem, the son of Noah, after he had taken Melchizedek, and withdrew him from his parents, did not set down in writing how old he was, when he went into the east, nor what was his age when he died; but Melchizedek was the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Salah, the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah; and yet none of those patriarchs is called his father. This only the Apostle Paul means, that none of his family served in the temple, nor were children and tribes assigned to him. Matthew and Luke the evangelists only relate the heads of tribes: hence the Apostle Paul does not write the name of his father, nor the name of his mother.''

Paul was not a disciple, nor was he an apostle. He had his own fame on his mind....like all the other evangelists.

Jesus said, "If someone is hungry feed them."
Paul said, "If someone does not work, don't feed them."

 

[Mudda]

According to the Chazalic literature Melchizedek was the nick name for Shem the son of Noah.
Which makes sense because Jesus was the descendant of Shem.

Melchizedek has no beginning or end of days...wasn't born.

That is a misunderstanding.
Some do not rightly understand the saying of the Apostle Paul; for Shem, the son of Noah, after he had taken Melchizedek, and withdrew him from his parents, did not set down in writing how old he was, when he went into the east, nor what was his age when he died; but Melchizedek was the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Salah, the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah; and yet none of those patriarchs is called his father. This only the Apostle Paul means, that none of his family served in the temple, nor were children and tribes assigned to him. Matthew and Luke the evangelists only relate the heads of tribes: hence the Apostle Paul does not write the name of his father, nor the name of his mother.''

Paul was not a disciple, nor was he an apostle. He had his own fame on his mind....like all the other evangelists.

Jesus said, "If someone is hungry feed them."
Paul said, "If someone does not work, don't feed them."

So Paul was a Republican? Who knew?

 

[kjw47]

According to the Chazalic literature Melchizedek was the nick name for Shem the son of Noah.
Which makes sense because Jesus was the descendant of Shem.

Melchizedek has no beginning or end of days...wasn't born.

That is a misunderstanding.
Some do not rightly understand the saying of the Apostle Paul; for Shem, the son of Noah, after he had taken Melchizedek, and withdrew him from his parents, did not set down in writing how old he was, when he went into the east, nor what was his age when he died; but Melchizedek was the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Salah, the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah; and yet none of those patriarchs is called his father. This only the Apostle Paul means, that none of his family served in the temple, nor were children and tribes assigned to him. Matthew and Luke the evangelists only relate the heads of tribes: hence the Apostle Paul does not write the name of his father, nor the name of his mother.''

Paul was not a disciple, nor was he an apostle. He had his own fame on his mind....like all the other evangelists.

Jesus said, "If someone is hungry feed them."
Paul said, "If someone does not work, don't feed them."

So Paul was a Republican? Who knew?

Saul of Tarsus who came to be called Paul was a Pharisee--

 

[Militants]

I am Christian and ateist.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Paul was not a disciple, nor was he an apostle. He had his own fame on his mind....like all the other evangelists.

Jesus said, "If someone is hungry feed them."
Paul said, "If someone does not work, don't feed them."

Well not exactly, but then honesty never was your strong suite.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I am Christian and ateist.

I am a dog and a pigeon.

 

[Militants]

You are stupid.

 

[Militants]

I belief on evil in hell.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You are stupid.

How ironic.

 

[Militants]

Satan will fuck you.