Arizona Senate Passes Bill Allowing Business Owners To Refuse Service To Gays

[Cecilie1200]

I think another state passed something similar to this last week so this must be a trend that is catching on. I agree with this bill that if you are a business owner and believe in and live by your faith that you should be able to refuse service to whoever you want.


Arizona Senate: Business owners can cite religion to refuse service to gays
Arizona Senate: Business owners can cite religion to refuse service to gays

I agree, only when I posted a sign on my business in 2009 stating that "those who support US government and military are not welcome here" - my place was vandalized. So republicans are not always what they preach... just saying, and there were other reasons for it too, such as me speaking out against the system before that.

How do you know they were Republicans? Did you see them doing it, wearing GOP lapel buttons?

 

[Cecilie1200]

The store owner that refuses service is doing something that negatively effects someone else.

They are making someone's life harder just to be hateful.

Who is the gay person hurting by buying something?

We all have to live in this world together. Why make things more difficult for anyone? Who benefits?

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Sorry, but that's not how it works. You do not have any legal right to have your entire life be pleasant and positive. Nor do you have a right to force people to associate with you, simply because you want them to.

We are also not really talking about gay people "buying something". Do you really imagine the scenario this law addresses is the Safeway making its customers fill out a lifestyle questionnaire before letting them grocery shop?

And finally, shockingly, my choice about how I exercise my rights is not dependent on YOU approving of it or thinking it "benefits" someone. Please, PLEASE try to understand how monstrous it truly is to try to legislate utopia with that gormless expression on your face while you say, "What? This is how things SHOULD be, so why not make it illegal to be different?"

 

[Cecilie1200]

It's a special order, everyone should have the right to refuse a special order, for whatever reason. What if they are too busy and don't have enough decorators or bakers?

If you refuse an order because they don't have enough decorators or bakers that is a perfectly valid reason and not based on race, religion, ethnicity, gender, etc.



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Should customers be allowed to avoid shopping at a store based on the race, religion, ethnicity, gender, etc. of the store owner?

Good question.

 

[Cecilie1200]

They'll never get it past Title 9.

Besides, how the hell would anyone know who is, or isn't gay?

Well, how did they know in the cases which actually sparked this law, the photographer who was sued in New Mexico and the baker who was put out of business in Oregon?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Which business doesn't need a license?

It depends on the type of business and location. You can look it up if you're interested.
That describes a very small percentage of businesses.

It's interesting that you left out the non-biological choice of religion which is also protected.

It's interesting that you think it's interesting.

Which business doesn't need a license? Prove it, or shut it....

Where did you get your prostitution license?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Speaking from a legal aspect, sure it does. Religion is a BEHAVIOR... religion is not a race or a sex...


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Unless i am wearing some kind of sign about what religion I am how can anyone discriminate against me based on my religion?

Well, to be fair, there are religions that require certain modes of dress. It is also very possible for people dressed in the costumes of their native countries to be assumed to belong to the dominant religion of that country, whether they are or not.

In other words, they wear a sign, or people are idiots.

I have never been denied service because of my religion, nor have I ever heard of anyone being denied because of their religion unless the government stepped in and required people to do it.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Unless i am wearing some kind of sign about what religion I am how can anyone discriminate against me based on my religion?

Well, to be fair, there are religions that require certain modes of dress. It is also very possible for people dressed in the costumes of their native countries to be assumed to belong to the dominant religion of that country, whether they are or not.

In other words, they wear a sign, or people are idiots.

I have never been denied service because of my religion, nor have I ever heard of anyone being denied because of their religion unless the government stepped in and required people to do it.

The only time religion comes into a business deal is when one party inserts it. And make no bones about it homosexuality is a cult that will impose it's will on you no matter what. They want the religion of gay to trump your religion in all circumstances.

 

[Cecilie1200]

That's not the way it works. It's not that they don't offer gay versions. They don't offer versions at all. Unless you know them personally, or know someone who can vouch for you.

I went through this myself when I refused to pay the portrait of a lesbian couple. They took me to court and I won.

Couldn't you have saved the effort and simply painted them as horned devils splashing gleefully in the blood of our sacred savior?

I have no objections to homosexuality based on religion whatsoever. It is simply none of my business. I would not participate in a same sex wedding. And, I didn't have to as it turns out. And, in a way, I really enjoyed sticking it to them legally. I hope they ran up a ton of legal bills owed to their gay lawyer. Yes, I rather enjoyed watching them make a fool out of themselves.

Katz, maybe people just don't feel like they should have to go to those lengths to exercise their First Amendment rights. And they're correct; they shouldn't have to.

 

[Cecilie1200]

If Jones doesn't veto this, Arizona, the number 2 working class state in the US will become a blue state. Another Republican duct tape fail.

Who the Hell is Jones?

 

[Cecilie1200]

You would be wrong then. In your private life, you can choose to associate with whomever you please. Businesses however, are public accommodations which are licensed to operate by the state. You don't get to choose who you will and won't serve in your business.

Wrong. Businesses are not public accomodations. And not all businesses need a license. You can refuse service but you can't make the reason race or gender. EXCEPT now the gays are claiming their relationships are equally protected under the law. That only exists where locales allow it to occur, it isn't Constitutionally protected.

Which business doesn't need a license?

I don't believe businesses are generally licensed by the state, as a matter of fact. They're usually licensed by the municipality. I know mine have always come from the City of Tucson, not the State of Arizona.

 

[N8dizzle]

Why are people so determined to force their beliefs on others. Why does it matter if someone has a different religion, sexual orientation, race, or shoe size?

What religion says that you can't allow certain people in your store? It's not like a gay person is going to go into someone's store and try to force the owner to do some gay sacrilegious act.

Who is this law protecting?

From what?

Really? You're really unaware of gay activists targeting businesses with lawsuits for refusing to participate in their wedding ceremonies? What rock have you been hiding under, son? And why are you wasting space in a thread about a topic you haven't bothered to be informed on? Get out, get educated, and then come back.

Lol. I wrote nothing that would imply that I haven't heard of these suits.
Maybe you should actually read a post before responding to it.

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[Cecilie1200]

No you don't because you know that's just fluff talk to try to get people on the defensive

You also are scared that this would not effect a business negatively. You're not even concerned with the fact other businesses can thrive due to this. You simply want everyone to tell you how great you are or suffer Never gonna happen

I'm simply amazed that you leftists really believe there are huge swathes of businesses out there just DYING to turn away paying customers. What's it like inside your heads, where the world is a seething hotbed of enemies, and why have you never considered the reality that most people just don't give a fuck about you one way or another?

There's that. And in my view, the vast majority would view denying services to a person because of orientation to be very bad manners, at the least, and choose to shop elsewhere. Out them and deride them as irrational bigots.

Or just leave them the fuck alone and let them nasty away on their own. Why do you think you need to change people?

 

[Cecilie1200]

It depends on the type of business and location. You can look it up if you're interested.
That describes a very small percentage of businesses.
It's interesting that you think it's interesting.

Which business doesn't need a license? Prove it, or shut it....

Where did you get your prostitution license?

Prostitution isn't a business. It's an illegal enterprise.

An escort service, on the other hand, is licensed through the municipality, like any other business.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Why are people so determined to force their beliefs on others. Why does it matter if someone has a different religion, sexual orientation, race, or shoe size?

What religion says that you can't allow certain people in your store? It's not like a gay person is going to go into someone's store and try to force the owner to do some gay sacrilegious act.

Who is this law protecting?

From what?

Really? You're really unaware of gay activists targeting businesses with lawsuits for refusing to participate in their wedding ceremonies? What rock have you been hiding under, son? And why are you wasting space in a thread about a topic you haven't bothered to be informed on? Get out, get educated, and then come back.

Lol. I wrote nothing that would imply that I haven't heard of these suits.
Maybe you should actually read a post before responding to it.

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"LOL" Everything you wrote implied it. Maybe you should actually read a post before you post it.

Please go be a dumbfuck somewhere else. We're already at capacity.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

I'm simply amazed that you leftists really believe there are huge swathes of businesses out there just DYING to turn away paying customers. What's it like inside your heads, where the world is a seething hotbed of enemies, and why have you never considered the reality that most people just don't give a fuck about you one way or another?

There's that. And in my view, the vast majority would view denying services to a person because of orientation to be very bad manners, at the least, and choose to shop elsewhere. Out them and deride them as irrational bigots.

Or just leave them the fuck alone and let them nasty away on their own. Why do you think you need to change people?

That's the thing right there. The gays are telling us we can't survive without being a gay friendly business. Yet they need to force people to provide services when the real reaction should be to open a business of your own catering to gays.

If they are correct then the gay business will flourish and the other will fail. Just like in any free market. I suspect they know that not serving gays a wedding cake isn't going to hurt a bakery at all and one that caters to gays won't have the revenue to stay open. That's why they need to force people to bake for them or they will have nothing.

 

[Cecilie1200]

There's that. And in my view, the vast majority would view denying services to a person because of orientation to be very bad manners, at the least, and choose to shop elsewhere. Out them and deride them as irrational bigots.

Or just leave them the fuck alone and let them nasty away on their own. Why do you think you need to change people?

That's the thing right there. The gays are telling us we can't survive without being a gay friendly business. Yet they need to force people to provide services when the real reaction should be to open a business of your own catering to gays.

If they are correct then the gay business will flourish and the other will fail. Just like in any free market. I suspect they know that not serving gays a wedding cake isn't going to hurt a bakery at all and one that caters to gays won't have the revenue to stay open. That's why they need to force people to bake for them or they will have nothing.

Actually, I'm pretty sure their agenda has nothing to do with business whatsoever.

 

[N8dizzle]

The store owner that refuses service is doing something that negatively effects someone else.

They are making someone's life harder just to be hateful.

Who is the gay person hurting by buying something?

We all have to live in this world together. Why make things more difficult for anyone? Who benefits?

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Sorry, but that's not how it works. You do not have any legal right to have your entire life be pleasant and positive. Nor do you have a right to force people to associate with you, simply because you want them to.

We are also not really talking about gay people "buying something". Do you really imagine the scenario this law addresses is the Safeway making its customers fill out a lifestyle questionnaire before letting them grocery shop?

And finally, shockingly, my choice about how I exercise my rights is not dependent on YOU approving of it or thinking it "benefits" someone. Please, PLEASE try to understand how monstrous it truly is to try to legislate utopia with that gormless expression on your face while you say, "What? This is how things SHOULD be, so why not make it illegal to be different?"

I'm not saying that anyone has the legal right for their whole life to be pleasant or positive. But we as human beings should strive to make this world as fair and just as possible for everyone.
We don't all have to agree about religion or sexual orientation to live in this world together. What we should all agree on though, is that everyone deserves a fair shot at being happy.
Why are some people so determined to make other people miserable?
I know that you don't need my approval in how you live your life, but I am entitled to an opinion just like you.
And common sense should tell you that ALL laws are made in an attempt to benefit society.



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[Quantum Windbag]

The store owner that refuses service is doing something that negatively effects someone else.

They are making someone's life harder just to be hateful.

Who is the gay person hurting by buying something?

We all have to live in this world together. Why make things more difficult for anyone? Who benefits?

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Sorry, but that's not how it works. You do not have any legal right to have your entire life be pleasant and positive. Nor do you have a right to force people to associate with you, simply because you want them to.

We are also not really talking about gay people "buying something". Do you really imagine the scenario this law addresses is the Safeway making its customers fill out a lifestyle questionnaire before letting them grocery shop?

And finally, shockingly, my choice about how I exercise my rights is not dependent on YOU approving of it or thinking it "benefits" someone. Please, PLEASE try to understand how monstrous it truly is to try to legislate utopia with that gormless expression on your face while you say, "What? This is how things SHOULD be, so why not make it illegal to be different?"

I'm not saying that anyone has the legal right for their whole life to be pleasant or positive. But we as human beings should strive to make this world as fair and just as possible for everyone.
We don't all have to agree about religion or sexual orientation to live in this world together. What we should all agree on though, is that everyone deserves a fair shot at being happy.
Why are some people so determined to make other people miserable?
I know that you don't need my approval in how you live your life, but I am entitled to an opinion just like you.
And common sense should tell you that ALL laws are made in an attempt to benefit society.



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Does anyone include the people who don't want to show up at a gay wedding? Or does it only include idiots who announce they use have Verizon as their carrier on every post?

 

[Plasmaball]

It depends on the type of business and location. You can look it up if you're interested.
That describes a very small percentage of businesses.
It's interesting that you think it's interesting.

Which business doesn't need a license? Prove it, or shut it....

Where did you get your prostitution license?

walmart, they have everything

 

[Plasmaball]

Just stop offering wedding cakes to the general public. There will be two kinds of bakers. Ones that do business with the public no matter who they are, and others where you have to know them, or know someone who does know them. Gays will have no complaint. They will be forced to patronize ONLY those bakers willing to do business with them. Which is the way it should be anyway.

That's a bit naive. What happens is that if they find out you don't offer gay versions they make it a point to target you for jail or bankruptcy. Gays are so sweet.

That's not the way it works. It's not that they don't offer gay versions. They don't offer versions at all. Unless you know them personally, or know someone who can vouch for you.

I went through this myself when I refused to pay the portrait of a lesbian couple. They took me to court and I won.

no you didnt.