Assholes making trouble in Oregon

[Old Rocks]

These people are not terrorists.
They are ranchers who have been abused by the Feds because the Feds have wanted to get that land since the 1970's.

They don't even fucking live there!

You're a real piece of shit for defending these terrorists. Too bad you weren't in the towers when they came down. We lost real Americans that day. We could have afforded to get rid of you.

On top of that, what peach posted is a lie.

That land has been government land since 1908.

The feds have not wanted that land since the 1970s. Because it was already federal land.

These people are so stupid and such liars.

No it isn't.
The Hammonds own that ranch.

Bundy Ranch
In 1964 the Hammonds purchased their ranch in the Harney Basin. The purchase included approximately 6000 acres of private property, 4 grazing rights on public land, a small ranch house and 3 water rights. The ranch is around 53 miles South of Burns, Oregon.

By the 1970’s nearly all the ranches adjacent to the Blitzen Valley were purchased by the US Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) and added to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. The refuge covers over 187,000 acres and stretches over 45 miles long and 37 miles wide. The expansion of the refuge grew and surrounds to the Hammond’s ranch. Being approached many times by the FWS, the Hammonds refused to sell. Other ranchers also choose not to sell.

During the 1970’s the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), in conjunction with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), took a different approach to get the ranchers to sell. Ranchers were told that, “grazing was detrimental to wildlife and must be reduced”. 32 out of 53 permits were revoked and many ranchers were forced to leave. Grazing fees were raised significantly for those who were allowed to remain. Refuge personnel took over the irrigation system claiming it as their own.

By 1980 a conflict was well on its way over water allocations on the adjacent privately owned Silvies Plain. The FWS wanted to acquire the ranch lands on the Silvies Plain to add to their already vast holdings. Refuge personnel intentional diverted the water to bypassing the vast meadowlands, directing the water into the rising Malheur Lakes. Within a few short years the surface area of the lakes doubled. Thirty-one ranches on the Silvies plains were flooded. Homes, corrals, barns and graze-land were washed a way and destroyed. The ranchers that once fought to keep the FWS from taking their land, now broke and destroyed, begged the FWS to acquire their useless ranches. In 1989 the waters began to recede and now the once thriving privately owned Silvies pains are a proud part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge claimed by the FWS.

you do realize that it's an empty building in the middle of nowhere don't you?

It's not "headquarters " for anything

You do realize you're full of shit, right?

I would call this the middle of nowhere, headquarters or not.

Oh my, you little shitfaced liar;

The Malhuer Game Refuge is a very unique place, a vast wetland in the middle of the the high dessert, with a very large fault block mountain, Steens Mountian, feeding it water. Truly one of the most beautiful places in the West.

A cropped picture does not mean the building occupied is not in the middle of nowhere and the fact that the reserve is in the high desert does not have anything to do with the fact that the building was empty and is not in any way an important federal structure

Saying this is some sort of call to arms for a government takeover is fucking bullshit

Two busy to look at the two videos of portions of the Refuge.

 

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[JimH52]

These people are not terrorists.
They are ranchers who have been abused by the Feds because the Feds have wanted to get that land since the 1970's.

They don't even fucking live there!

You're a real piece of shit for defending these terrorists. Too bad you weren't in the towers when they came down. We lost real Americans that day. We could have afforded to get rid of you.

On top of that, what peach posted is a lie.

That land has been government land since 1908.

The feds have not wanted that land since the 1970s. Because it was already federal land.

These people are so stupid and such liars.

No it isn't.
The Hammonds own that ranch.

Bundy Ranch
In 1964 the Hammonds purchased their ranch in the Harney Basin. The purchase included approximately 6000 acres of private property, 4 grazing rights on public land, a small ranch house and 3 water rights. The ranch is around 53 miles South of Burns, Oregon.

By the 1970’s nearly all the ranches adjacent to the Blitzen Valley were purchased by the US Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) and added to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. The refuge covers over 187,000 acres and stretches over 45 miles long and 37 miles wide. The expansion of the refuge grew and surrounds to the Hammond’s ranch. Being approached many times by the FWS, the Hammonds refused to sell. Other ranchers also choose not to sell.

During the 1970’s the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), in conjunction with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), took a different approach to get the ranchers to sell. Ranchers were told that, “grazing was detrimental to wildlife and must be reduced”. 32 out of 53 permits were revoked and many ranchers were forced to leave. Grazing fees were raised significantly for those who were allowed to remain. Refuge personnel took over the irrigation system claiming it as their own.

By 1980 a conflict was well on its way over water allocations on the adjacent privately owned Silvies Plain. The FWS wanted to acquire the ranch lands on the Silvies Plain to add to their already vast holdings. Refuge personnel intentional diverted the water to bypassing the vast meadowlands, directing the water into the rising Malheur Lakes. Within a few short years the surface area of the lakes doubled. Thirty-one ranches on the Silvies plains were flooded. Homes, corrals, barns and graze-land were washed a way and destroyed. The ranchers that once fought to keep the FWS from taking their land, now broke and destroyed, begged the FWS to acquire their useless ranches. In 1989 the waters began to recede and now the once thriving privately owned Silvies pains are a proud part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge claimed by the FWS.

How about the lands they burnt to cover up their poaching?

And once again, I'll remind you of two things:
1. The Hammond's are guilty of arson
2. The criminals in the refuge building have nothing to do with the Hammonds

The Hammonds are guilty of arson. They were tried, convicted and served their time 11 years ago.

A judicial matter is being argued by terrorist with guns. What is wrong with this picture?

 

[peach174]

you do realize that it's an empty building in the middle of nowhere don't you?

It's not "headquarters " for anything

You do realize you're full of shit, right?

I would call this the middle of nowhere, headquarters or not.

Oh my, you little shitfaced liar;

The Malhuer Game Refuge is a very unique place, a vast wetland in the middle of the the high dessert, with a very large fault block mountain, Steens Mountian, feeding it water. Truly one of the most beautiful places in the West.

So what did I lie about?

 

[AmericanFirst1]

Militiamen, ranchers in showdown for soul of Burns

Payne and Bundy say it's up to local residents what happens next. If the locals decide to declare the county a sanctuary for the Hammonds, the militia is ready.

"We're sending the message: We will protect you," Payne said.

Such talk rattles the community, as has conduct locals blame on the strangers.

Tensions persist.

A Utah man tied to Bundy and Payne disrupted a state court session, insisting the judge empanel a special grand jury to investigate the Hammond matter. Federal employees report they have been followed around town and to their homes. Payne said no one in his group has followed federal employees. But he acknowledged knocking on the front door of a home featuring a handmade "Go Home Bundys" sign. Payne said he wanted to understand the homeowner's concerns.

Signs on street poles pronounce, "Militia go home!"

Others reply: "You are the militia."

One episode in particular has upset the community.

The sheriff said three militiamen and one woman, one with a gun strapped to his hip, engaged his 74-year-old mother and 78-year-old father at a yard sale being held at the American Legion. When the men criticized the sheriff, his mother bristled, and said she didn't need their protection from the government.

Later, the men showed up at the sheriff's office to complain about the exchange involving his mother.

She had, they said, threatened them.

I wish I was living down there at present. That area does not need these assholes threatening people. Time for the people of Harney county to give the heave-ho to these trouble makers. They have already shown their courage and bravery by threatening old people.

If they really go overboard and actually do violence against any of the locals, they will find the people of Harney county a lot tougher than those little couch potatoes ever thought of being. They have also been threatening the Sheriff, and he has even been receiving death threats. Time those little turds get an asskicking, and that area is known for giving that kind of treatment to outsiders that come in to create trouble.

I read the history leading up to current events. After reading it and learning the facts of the case I have to say, way to go militia. Trumped up charges and bullying by a tyrannical government from the get go. I support the Hammonds 100%. The claim that the back fire spread to government land is a flat out lie. Retarded commie lib.

 

[AmericanFirst1]

Bundy needs some prison time, he is the head of a terrorist group.

When the Clintons and obuthole go he can.

 

[Old Rocks]

Fine, you just go down there and try to support them. Best not stop in Burns. The locals don't like outsiders that come there to make trouble.

 

[peach174]

They don't even fucking live there!

You're a real piece of shit for defending these terrorists. Too bad you weren't in the towers when they came down. We lost real Americans that day. We could have afforded to get rid of you.

On top of that, what peach posted is a lie.

That land has been government land since 1908.

The feds have not wanted that land since the 1970s. Because it was already federal land.

These people are so stupid and such liars.

No it isn't.
The Hammonds own that ranch.

Bundy Ranch
In 1964 the Hammonds purchased their ranch in the Harney Basin. The purchase included approximately 6000 acres of private property, 4 grazing rights on public land, a small ranch house and 3 water rights. The ranch is around 53 miles South of Burns, Oregon.

By the 1970’s nearly all the ranches adjacent to the Blitzen Valley were purchased by the US Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) and added to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. The refuge covers over 187,000 acres and stretches over 45 miles long and 37 miles wide. The expansion of the refuge grew and surrounds to the Hammond’s ranch. Being approached many times by the FWS, the Hammonds refused to sell. Other ranchers also choose not to sell.

During the 1970’s the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), in conjunction with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), took a different approach to get the ranchers to sell. Ranchers were told that, “grazing was detrimental to wildlife and must be reduced”. 32 out of 53 permits were revoked and many ranchers were forced to leave. Grazing fees were raised significantly for those who were allowed to remain. Refuge personnel took over the irrigation system claiming it as their own.

By 1980 a conflict was well on its way over water allocations on the adjacent privately owned Silvies Plain. The FWS wanted to acquire the ranch lands on the Silvies Plain to add to their already vast holdings. Refuge personnel intentional diverted the water to bypassing the vast meadowlands, directing the water into the rising Malheur Lakes. Within a few short years the surface area of the lakes doubled. Thirty-one ranches on the Silvies plains were flooded. Homes, corrals, barns and graze-land were washed a way and destroyed. The ranchers that once fought to keep the FWS from taking their land, now broke and destroyed, begged the FWS to acquire their useless ranches. In 1989 the waters began to recede and now the once thriving privately owned Silvies pains are a proud part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge claimed by the FWS.

How about the lands they burnt to cover up their poaching?

And once again, I'll remind you of two things:
1. The Hammond's are guilty of arson
2. The criminals in the refuge building have nothing to do with the Hammonds

1.Of which they served their time.

No, they haven't.

2. No they don't ( I agree), other than 2 ranchers who have held out against the taking of their ranches by the Feds in two different States.

Lol. Nobody is trying to take the Hammonds' ranch or the Bundys' for that matter.

Yes they are.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Obama doesn't treat real terrorists the way he's treated the Hammonds.

 

[bucs90]

Militiamen, ranchers in showdown for soul of Burns

Payne and Bundy say it's up to local residents what happens next. If the locals decide to declare the county a sanctuary for the Hammonds, the militia is ready.

"We're sending the message: We will protect you," Payne said.

Such talk rattles the community, as has conduct locals blame on the strangers.

Tensions persist.

A Utah man tied to Bundy and Payne disrupted a state court session, insisting the judge empanel a special grand jury to investigate the Hammond matter. Federal employees report they have been followed around town and to their homes. Payne said no one in his group has followed federal employees. But he acknowledged knocking on the front door of a home featuring a handmade "Go Home Bundys" sign. Payne said he wanted to understand the homeowner's concerns.

Signs on street poles pronounce, "Militia go home!"

Others reply: "You are the militia."

One episode in particular has upset the community.

The sheriff said three militiamen and one woman, one with a gun strapped to his hip, engaged his 74-year-old mother and 78-year-old father at a yard sale being held at the American Legion. When the men criticized the sheriff, his mother bristled, and said she didn't need their protection from the government.

Later, the men showed up at the sheriff's office to complain about the exchange involving his mother.

She had, they said, threatened them.

I wish I was living down there at present. That area does not need these assholes threatening people. Time for the people of Harney county to give the heave-ho to these trouble makers. They have already shown their courage and bravery by threatening old people.

If they really go overboard and actually do violence against any of the locals, they will find the people of Harney county a lot tougher than those little couch potatoes ever thought of being. They have also been threatening the Sheriff, and he has even been receiving death threats. Time those little turds get an asskicking, and that area is known for giving that kind of treatment to outsiders that come in to create trouble.

I read the history leading up to current events. After reading it and learning the facts of the case I have to say, way to go militia. Trumped up charges and bullying by a tyrannical government from the get go. I support the Hammonds 100%. The claim that the back fire spread to government land is a flat out lie. Retarded commie lib.

I admit I haven't read up on it much....and it seems way more complex than a thug robbing a gas station. My initial take is they are committing a crime and need to be charged.

Is THEIR land being taken? Or have they been using public land and now the government is aware of it and not letting them use it anymore?

 

[Old Rocks]

By the time this is over, I think that there is going to be a lot of the militia spending several years near Salem, Oregon, in the iron bar hotel,.

 

[PredFan]

The Hammond's played with fire and got burned. Setting fires when you cannot control them is real serious business in that area. They have had some major fires in the past decade, some that destroyed up to 1/3 of some of the ranchers cattle. That represents many years of lost income for a group of people that work extremely hard for the little income they make.

Which they already served jail time for.

 

[peach174]

Remember folks, Big Brother wants it all. He's not your friend. One day, every square inch of America will be owned by the Government and Corporations. Bet on that.

That land has been government land since 1908.

No one has grabbed anyone's land. It was unowned and unused land when the government designated it a wildlife refuge by Theodore Roosevelt.

You remember learning about him don't you?

He's the president who created our national parks.

He was also a republican.

Man, so many people still don't get it. Big Brother wants it all. He's not your friend. Until people start understanding that, he's gonna continue trying to grab it all.

No the point is that no one is trying to grab that land except those terrorists. It's not their land to take and just give to someone.

Hummmm. Who does that? That's right communists. They take land from people and give it to other people.

That land has been government land for over 100 years. Before that no one owned it. Oregon was barely developed and that corner of the state didn't have much of anyone out there when it was designated federal land.

You seem to not realize that the western states aren't as developed as the east. Especially in 1908. Oregon had not even been in the union for even 50 years by the time the land was set aside. The west isn't like the east or midwest. People have not been here as long.

The constitution says that the government can't take anyone's land without properly compensating for that land.

So your paranoia and lies don't pass the constitutional test nor the reality test.

They are not trying to take the land.
They want it given over to the State to manage.

 

[PredFan]

Bundy needs some prison time, he is the head of a terrorist group.

What terror? No more terror than what BLM or OWS or the black Panthers do.

 

[AmericanFirst1]

Militiamen, ranchers in showdown for soul of Burns

Payne and Bundy say it's up to local residents what happens next. If the locals decide to declare the county a sanctuary for the Hammonds, the militia is ready.

"We're sending the message: We will protect you," Payne said.

Such talk rattles the community, as has conduct locals blame on the strangers.

Tensions persist.

A Utah man tied to Bundy and Payne disrupted a state court session, insisting the judge empanel a special grand jury to investigate the Hammond matter. Federal employees report they have been followed around town and to their homes. Payne said no one in his group has followed federal employees. But he acknowledged knocking on the front door of a home featuring a handmade "Go Home Bundys" sign. Payne said he wanted to understand the homeowner's concerns.

Signs on street poles pronounce, "Militia go home!"

Others reply: "You are the militia."

One episode in particular has upset the community.

The sheriff said three militiamen and one woman, one with a gun strapped to his hip, engaged his 74-year-old mother and 78-year-old father at a yard sale being held at the American Legion. When the men criticized the sheriff, his mother bristled, and said she didn't need their protection from the government.

Later, the men showed up at the sheriff's office to complain about the exchange involving his mother.

She had, they said, threatened them.

I wish I was living down there at present. That area does not need these assholes threatening people. Time for the people of Harney county to give the heave-ho to these trouble makers. They have already shown their courage and bravery by threatening old people.

If they really go overboard and actually do violence against any of the locals, they will find the people of Harney county a lot tougher than those little couch potatoes ever thought of being. They have also been threatening the Sheriff, and he has even been receiving death threats. Time those little turds get an asskicking, and that area is known for giving that kind of treatment to outsiders that come in to create trouble.

I read the history leading up to current events. After reading it and learning the facts of the case I have to say, way to go militia. Trumped up charges and bullying by a tyrannical government from the get go. I support the Hammonds 100%. The claim that the back fire spread to government land is a flat out lie. Retarded commie lib.

I admit I haven't read up on it much....and it seems way more complex than a thug robbing a gas station. My initial take is they are committing a crime and need to be charged.

Is THEIR land being taken? Or have they been using public land and now the government is aware of it and not letting them use it anymore?

No. From what I read all the charges are trumped up to get their land. The backfire to stop the spread of a wildfire was started on their land and was successful, never spread to government land. The government got mad when they received water rights. I support the Hammonds 100% in this.

 

[AmericanFirst1]

The Hammond's played with fire and got burned. Setting fires when you cannot control them is real serious business in that area. They have had some major fires in the past decade, some that destroyed up to 1/3 of some of the ranchers cattle. That represents many years of lost income for a group of people that work extremely hard for the little income they make.

Which they already served jail time for.

On trumped up charges.

 

[bucs90]

Militiamen, ranchers in showdown for soul of Burns

Payne and Bundy say it's up to local residents what happens next. If the locals decide to declare the county a sanctuary for the Hammonds, the militia is ready.

"We're sending the message: We will protect you," Payne said.

Such talk rattles the community, as has conduct locals blame on the strangers.

Tensions persist.

A Utah man tied to Bundy and Payne disrupted a state court session, insisting the judge empanel a special grand jury to investigate the Hammond matter. Federal employees report they have been followed around town and to their homes. Payne said no one in his group has followed federal employees. But he acknowledged knocking on the front door of a home featuring a handmade "Go Home Bundys" sign. Payne said he wanted to understand the homeowner's concerns.

Signs on street poles pronounce, "Militia go home!"

Others reply: "You are the militia."

One episode in particular has upset the community.

The sheriff said three militiamen and one woman, one with a gun strapped to his hip, engaged his 74-year-old mother and 78-year-old father at a yard sale being held at the American Legion. When the men criticized the sheriff, his mother bristled, and said she didn't need their protection from the government.

Later, the men showed up at the sheriff's office to complain about the exchange involving his mother.

She had, they said, threatened them.

I wish I was living down there at present. That area does not need these assholes threatening people. Time for the people of Harney county to give the heave-ho to these trouble makers. They have already shown their courage and bravery by threatening old people.

If they really go overboard and actually do violence against any of the locals, they will find the people of Harney county a lot tougher than those little couch potatoes ever thought of being. They have also been threatening the Sheriff, and he has even been receiving death threats. Time those little turds get an asskicking, and that area is known for giving that kind of treatment to outsiders that come in to create trouble.

I read the history leading up to current events. After reading it and learning the facts of the case I have to say, way to go militia. Trumped up charges and bullying by a tyrannical government from the get go. I support the Hammonds 100%. The claim that the back fire spread to government land is a flat out lie. Retarded commie lib.

I admit I haven't read up on it much....and it seems way more complex than a thug robbing a gas station. My initial take is they are committing a crime and need to be charged.

Is THEIR land being taken? Or have they been using public land and now the government is aware of it and not letting them use it anymore?

No. From what I read all the charges are trumped up to get their land. The backfire to stop the spread of a wildfire was started on their land and was successful, never spread to government land. The government got mad when they received water rights. I support the Hammonds 100% in this.

So it was an imminent domain type land seizure?? If it was their land and the government is seizing it....I support their cause opposing that because imminent domain is bullshit.

However....I cannot support their seizure of the Federal building. There is a way to do things and that isn't it.

 

[Old Rocks]

Militiamen, ranchers in showdown for soul of Burns

Payne and Bundy say it's up to local residents what happens next. If the locals decide to declare the county a sanctuary for the Hammonds, the militia is ready.

"We're sending the message: We will protect you," Payne said.

Such talk rattles the community, as has conduct locals blame on the strangers.

Tensions persist.

A Utah man tied to Bundy and Payne disrupted a state court session, insisting the judge empanel a special grand jury to investigate the Hammond matter. Federal employees report they have been followed around town and to their homes. Payne said no one in his group has followed federal employees. But he acknowledged knocking on the front door of a home featuring a handmade "Go Home Bundys" sign. Payne said he wanted to understand the homeowner's concerns.

Signs on street poles pronounce, "Militia go home!"

Others reply: "You are the militia."

One episode in particular has upset the community.

The sheriff said three militiamen and one woman, one with a gun strapped to his hip, engaged his 74-year-old mother and 78-year-old father at a yard sale being held at the American Legion. When the men criticized the sheriff, his mother bristled, and said she didn't need their protection from the government.

Later, the men showed up at the sheriff's office to complain about the exchange involving his mother.

She had, they said, threatened them.

I wish I was living down there at present. That area does not need these assholes threatening people. Time for the people of Harney county to give the heave-ho to these trouble makers. They have already shown their courage and bravery by threatening old people.

If they really go overboard and actually do violence against any of the locals, they will find the people of Harney county a lot tougher than those little couch potatoes ever thought of being. They have also been threatening the Sheriff, and he has even been receiving death threats. Time those little turds get an asskicking, and that area is known for giving that kind of treatment to outsiders that come in to create trouble.

I read the history leading up to current events. After reading it and learning the facts of the case I have to say, way to go militia. Trumped up charges and bullying by a tyrannical government from the get go. I support the Hammonds 100%. The claim that the back fire spread to government land is a flat out lie. Retarded commie lib.

I admit I haven't read up on it much....and it seems way more complex than a thug robbing a gas station. My initial take is they are committing a crime and need to be charged.

Is THEIR land being taken? Or have they been using public land and now the government is aware of it and not letting them use it anymore?

It has nothing to do with their land. The Hammond's started some fires that had to be put out by BLM firefighters, and actually endangered those firefighters. They were sentenced for criminal negligence in setting those fires. However, under a law made for eco-terrorists, they have been re-sentenced to the mandatory sentence under that law.

Now as to the militia, the area they are occupying was designated a National Game Refuge in 1908 by Theodore Roosevelt. That area is a wetland in the high desert, recieving it's water from a very large fault block mountian, Steens Mountain. This is a very unique area, one well worth a special trip.

I watched Ammon Bundy speak today, and he didn't even mention Hammond's. It was all about seizing 'back' property from the US Government. What ever the hell he means by that. Armed seizure of federal property with the intention of fomenting rebellion is treason.

 

[Penelope]

Bundy needs some prison time, he is the head of a terrorist group.

What terror? No more terror than what BLM or OWS or the black Panthers do.

He is the leader of the militia group, and right now is sons have the wildlife sanctuary captive. He also should be in prison for non payment for grazing rights.