Assholes making trouble in Oregon

[Old Rocks]

Maybe most low information lefties failed English 101 which is why they fail to understand the difference between domestic terrorism and and the 1st Amendment. It's easy if you look at rationally. College professor and democrat party guru Bill Ayers was a domestic terrorist. His wife was a domestic terrorist. Those Russians who set off bombs at the Boston Marathon are domestic and international terrorists. People who make bombs are terrorists. College kids who occupy a building aren't terrorists, OWS thugs who occupy a park may be junkie rapists but they aren't terrorists. People who protest BLM regulations may or may not be right but they certainly aren't terrorists.

Bullshit. They are not protesting BLM regulations, they have staged an armed take over of a Federal Building. That is an act of terrorism. And that should be prosecuted as such.

 

[Old Rocks]

you do realize that it's an empty building in the middle of nowhere don't you?

It's not "headquarters " for anything

You do realize you're full of shit, right?

I never knew any "headquarters" to be completely unoccupied at any time

Well, there's alot of things you don't know. I really don't get what you're trying to allege here. Is your complaint that the building was closed for the holiday?

It was empty, no one was harmed or even threatened it's a building in the middle of nowhere and in all probability the couple people who work there don't really do anything anyway

No body works there. It's for the occasional use of the forest service.

You are a damned liar. Go to the Malhuer Game Refuge site, and see what you are talking about.

 

[bravoactual]

Why is it when supporters of the idiot Cliven Bundy need to use firearms.

Las Vegas Shooters Boasted About Protesting At Cliven Bundy's Ranch.

Two RWNJ Gunhuggers from Bundy Compound shot and killed Police Officers in Vegas, now Bundy's room temperature I.Q. son show up in Oregon carrying rifles and talking. BTW, neither of men being returned to jail want the bundy bunch there.....and the "back fire" that dynamic duo sperty and et was on Federal Land and NOT private property and done so without permission. The fire was deliberately set and is arson.

Just think of the RWNJ would be doing right if these gun carrying goobers were Muslim, just think what the RWNJ would be demanding now.

 

[Old Rocks]

Ore. ranchers at center of protest expected to report to prison

That report is inaccurate in several things.
1st they did the burn on their property with permission then it got out of hand and burned the Federal land.
2nd they retried them on another charge without a new trial or jury.

They did not have permission to start a fire on that property. And that fire endangered an encampment of BLM firefighters uphill from the fire. Get your facts straight before posting.

 

[Katzndogz]

When liberals take over a government building it's a city hall or state capitol. Then they destroy it.

 

[Old Rocks]

Once again i point out the hypocrisy of the liberal left. To the left Occupy Wall Street was a righteous group fighting the man. But this group, who has done what many groups before them have done, the left is ready to go to war, or more to the point ready to execute those who have a grievance against the government. Because, as usual, the left does not agree with there grievance.

Dear little corksmoker, Occupy were not pointing guns at people. These assholes are not wanted in Harney County, and are rapidly becoming a pain in the neck.

 

[Dot Com]

These people are not terrorists.
They are ranchers who have been abused by the Feds because the Feds have wanted to get that land since the 1970's.

They don't even fucking live there!

You're a real piece of shit for defending these terrorists. Too bad you weren't in the towers when they came down. We lost real Americans that day. We could have afforded to get rid of you.

On top of that, what peach posted is a lie.

That land has been government land since 1908.

The feds have not wanted that land since the 1970s. Because it was already federal land.

These people are so stupid and such liars.

No it isn't.
The Hammonds own that ranch.

Bundy Ranch
In 1964 the Hammonds purchased their ranch in the Harney Basin. The purchase included approximately 6000 acres of private property, 4 grazing rights on public land, a small ranch house and 3 water rights. The ranch is around 53 miles South of Burns, Oregon.

By the 1970’s nearly all the ranches adjacent to the Blitzen Valley were purchased by the US Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) and added to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. The refuge covers over 187,000 acres and stretches over 45 miles long and 37 miles wide. The expansion of the refuge grew and surrounds to the Hammond’s ranch. Being approached many times by the FWS, the Hammonds refused to sell. Other ranchers also choose not to sell.

During the 1970’s the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), in conjunction with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), took a different approach to get the ranchers to sell. Ranchers were told that, “grazing was detrimental to wildlife and must be reduced”. 32 out of 53 permits were revoked and many ranchers were forced to leave. Grazing fees were raised significantly for those who were allowed to remain. Refuge personnel took over the irrigation system claiming it as their own.

By 1980 a conflict was well on its way over water allocations on the adjacent privately owned Silvies Plain. The FWS wanted to acquire the ranch lands on the Silvies Plain to add to their already vast holdings. Refuge personnel intentional diverted the water to bypassing the vast meadowlands, directing the water into the rising Malheur Lakes. Within a few short years the surface area of the lakes doubled. Thirty-one ranches on the Silvies plains were flooded. Homes, corrals, barns and graze-land were washed a way and destroyed. The ranchers that once fought to keep the FWS from taking their land, now broke and destroyed, begged the FWS to acquire their useless ranches. In 1989 the waters began to recede and now the once thriving privately owned Silvies pains are a proud part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge claimed by the FWS.

"bundyranchblogspot" as a source? peach174 SERIOUSLY!!!

 

[Dot Com]

You do realize you're full of shit, right?

I never knew any "headquarters" to be completely unoccupied at any time

Well, there's alot of things you don't know. I really don't get what you're trying to allege here. Is your complaint that the building was closed for the holiday?

It was empty, no one was harmed or even threatened it's a building in the middle of nowhere and in all probability the couple people who work there don't really do anything anyway

No body works there. It's for the occasional use of the forest service.

You are a damned liar. Go to the Malhuer Game Refuge site, and see what you are talking about.

Tipsycatlover ystrdy as well when she said they served 3 years WHEN IN FACT, one served a year & the other- 3 months.

 

[Old Rocks]

They should just claim they're Illegals. Those folks can do anything they want these days. Hussein has given em an unlimited free pass. Just claim you're a poor abused Illegal, then get your freebies and a White House invite.

Oh shut up, you fucking idiot. This is about an illegal armed occupation of Federal lands, not President Obama.

 

[Old Rocks]

That report is inaccurate in several things.
1st they did the burn on their property with permission then it got out of hand and burned the Federal land.
2nd they retried them on another charge without a new trial or jury.

From what I understand a witness testified to seeing them hunting. Also, a family member testified that he had been given materials and instructed to go light a fire to hide the evidence of poaching. They were not retried on separate charges. What happened is that they were sentenced and served their sentences, but later an appeals court decided their sentences hadn't been long enough.

I don't see any sense in questioning their convictions as if it was some kind of government conspiracy. They were tried by a jury and were found guilty, and I'm not inclined to believe for one moment that 12 jurors decided to jump in on a government plot. I do find it very disturbing that an appeals court can tack on additional prison time after people have served their sentences.

All that being said.....It does not fucking matter!!

There is no justification, no defense, of these terrorists' actions. None. Period.

the judge did not follow the sentencing guidelines. he gave them an invalid sentence

He based it on the 8th Amendment and it was a valid sentence.
Come on - 5 years for trying to protect their land and home from wildfires?

minimum mandatory sentences are constitutional. ignoring them is not.

So you are OK with wanting them to go to jail for 5 years, that stopped wildfires from destroying their land?

Get off it. That wildfire they started could very well have burned out the BLM camp where the firefighters were sleeping. They lost control of the fire. It was an act of criminal negligence.

 

[Old Rocks]

They can be called nothing short.

The occupation is being led by hard-core militia who adopted the Hammond cause as their own.

Ammon Bundy met with Dwight Hammond and his wife in November, seeking a way to keep the elderly rancher from having to surrender for prison. The Hammonds professed through their attorneys that they had no interest in ignoring the order to report for prison.


Ammon Bundy said the goal is to turn over federal land to local ranchers, loggers and miners. He said he met with 10 or so residents in Burns on Friday to try to recruit them, but they declined.

Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters

you do realize that it's an empty building in the middle of nowhere don't you?

It's not "headquarters " for anything

You are a lying asshole.

 

[ogibillm]

From what I understand a witness testified to seeing them hunting. Also, a family member testified that he had been given materials and instructed to go light a fire to hide the evidence of poaching. They were not retried on separate charges. What happened is that they were sentenced and served their sentences, but later an appeals court decided their sentences hadn't been long enough.

I don't see any sense in questioning their convictions as if it was some kind of government conspiracy. They were tried by a jury and were found guilty, and I'm not inclined to believe for one moment that 12 jurors decided to jump in on a government plot. I do find it very disturbing that an appeals court can tack on additional prison time after people have served their sentences.

All that being said.....It does not fucking matter!!

There is no justification, no defense, of these terrorists' actions. None. Period.

the judge did not follow the sentencing guidelines. he gave them an invalid sentence

He based it on the 8th Amendment and it was a valid sentence.
Come on - 5 years for trying to protect their land and home from wildfires?

minimum mandatory sentences are constitutional. ignoring them is not.

So you are OK with wanting them to go to jail for 5 years, that stopped wildfires from destroying their land?

Get off it. That wildfire they started could very well have burned out the BLM camp where the firefighters were sleeping. They lost control of the fire. It was an act of criminal negligence.

or, as the jury called it, arson

 

[Old Rocks]

Looks like a protest to me. Dunno what kind of crack the op is smokin?

Seems to be peaceful protest so far....Armed "peaceful protest"

Lets see where it goes and prosecute as necessary

Can we prosecute the feral (sic) agents who will if history serves as a guide fire first?

Like they fired first at Bundy ranch?

Waco, Ruby Ridge

Got you 2 to one

Perhaps we should prosecute President Bush the Elder over that?

 

[Dana7360]

Remember folks, Big Brother wants it all. He's not your friend. One day, every square inch of America will be owned by the Government and Corporations. Bet on that.

That land has been government land since 1908.

No one has grabbed anyone's land. It was unowned and unused land when the government designated it a wildlife refuge by Theodore Roosevelt.

You remember learning about him don't you?

He's the president who created our national parks.

He was also a republican.

Man, so many people still don't get it. Big Brother wants it all. He's not your friend. Until people start understanding that, he's gonna continue trying to grab it all.

No the point is that no one is trying to grab that land except those terrorists. It's not their land to take and just give to someone.

Hummmm. Who does that? That's right communists. They take land from people and give it to other people.

That land has been government land for over 100 years. Before that no one owned it. Oregon was barely developed and that corner of the state didn't have much of anyone out there when it was designated federal land.

You seem to not realize that the western states aren't as developed as the east. Especially in 1908. Oregon had not even been in the union for even 50 years by the time the land was set aside. The west isn't like the east or midwest. People have not been here as long.

The constitution says that the government can't take anyone's land without properly compensating for that land.

So your paranoia and lies don't pass the constitutional test nor the reality test.

 

[Skull Pilot]

They can be called nothing short.

The occupation is being led by hard-core militia who adopted the Hammond cause as their own.

Ammon Bundy met with Dwight Hammond and his wife in November, seeking a way to keep the elderly rancher from having to surrender for prison. The Hammonds professed through their attorneys that they had no interest in ignoring the order to report for prison.


Ammon Bundy said the goal is to turn over federal land to local ranchers, loggers and miners. He said he met with 10 or so residents in Burns on Friday to try to recruit them, but they declined.

Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters

you do realize that it's an empty building in the middle of nowhere don't you?

It's not "headquarters " for anything

You are a lying asshole.

So it's not in the middle of nowhere and it's a bustling mini metropolis of government bureacracy

 

[Old Rocks]

you do realize that it's an empty building in the middle of nowhere don't you?

It's not "headquarters " for anything

You do realize you're full of shit, right?

I would call this the middle of nowhere, headquarters or not.

Oh my, you little shitfaced liar;

The Malhuer Game Refuge is a very unique place, a vast wetland in the middle of the the high dessert, with a very large fault block mountain, Steens Mountian, feeding it water. Truly one of the most beautiful places in the West.

 

[Skull Pilot]

you do realize that it's an empty building in the middle of nowhere don't you?

It's not "headquarters " for anything

You do realize you're full of shit, right?

I would call this the middle of nowhere, headquarters or not.

Oh my, you little shitfaced liar;

The Malhuer Game Refuge is a very unique place, a vast wetland in the middle of the the high dessert, with a very large fault block mountain, Steens Mountian, feeding it water. Truly one of the most beautiful places in the West.

A cropped picture does not mean the building occupied is not in the middle of nowhere and the fact that the reserve is in the high desert does not have anything to do with the fact that the building was empty and is not in any way an important federal structure

Saying this is some sort of call to arms for a government takeover is fucking bullshit

 

[mamooth]

Not quite correct. They served an invalid and vacated sentence the judge gave in contradiction to the law

To be fair, it is a bad law. We're talking a 1996 law, aimed at Earth First ecoterrorists, which defined such arson as a sort of terrorism, and increased the penalties for it. It was a bad law when aimed at the left, and is still a bad law when aimed at the right. Nice of the righties to finally notice it, of course.

The peaceful protest over the law, that was a good thing. Nobody complained about that.

The armed takeover, a bad thing. Because armed takeovers are bad things. But that's a separate group from the Hammonds and the protesters. The Bundy assclowns were just using the Hammonds as an excuse to be assclowns.

As far as the assclowns go, don't give them the attention they crave. As others have said, just block the road, cut the power, and wish them a nice winter.

Oh, this is a nice illustration of white privilege. If a group of armed black men had occupied an empty building somewhere, publicly declaring they'll shoot anyone who tries to evict them, the armored vehicles would have been rolling within minutes. It's not that the white guys here should be shot. Nobody should be shot. It's that black guys should be given the same latitude as white guys, and not instantly get shot over everything.

 

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[JimH52]

Hammond said that he wants nothing to do with the Bundy tribe. Why are they still here? Who is paying their salaries? I guess they will betting some kind of federal assistance if they stay there long enough. Then we could call them the "Welfare Terrorist!"