Assholes making trouble in Oregon

[jillian]

They can be called nothing short.

The occupation is being led by hard-core militia who adopted the Hammond cause as their own.

Ammon Bundy met with Dwight Hammond and his wife in November, seeking a way to keep the elderly rancher from having to surrender for prison. The Hammonds professed through their attorneys that they had no interest in ignoring the order to report for prison.


Ammon Bundy said the goal is to turn over federal land to local ranchers, loggers and miners. He said he met with 10 or so residents in Burns on Friday to try to recruit them, but they declined.

Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters

yep... they are nothing but domestic terrorists.

if blacks or muslims or "protesters" did this the wackadoodles would be having nervous breakdowns.

Blm armed patrols were on the streets of mpls stopping cars in the area and demanding to know the occupants business in the area.

i heard rumors to that effect. but i don't recall them being BLM protesters.

so like i said....

 

[Skylar]

I love what these headjobs consider a 'redress of grievances'. Apparently you only get a redress of grievances if due process produces a result you agree with.

Where back in reality, redress of grievances is the ability to make a complaint to or seek assistance from one's government without being punished.

Making 'Jon's claim about a "redress of grievances made....and ignored", a profound misunderstanding of what the term actually means.

 

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[teddyearp]

Another humorous USMB thread, full of personal attacks and lacking much in actual debate and real information.

I am curious. Where are the pictures of weapons being carried by those who have occupied that building? Anyone? Are we going to believe that these are 'armed militia' just because we have the Bundy (obviously not Ted Bundy) name attached?

This issue goes way deeper than we all know. And there's many sides to this complicated story. A grand jury indictment is much easier than a preliminary hearing to bring charges. With a prelim, you have a judge and both sides get to present their side. Not so with a grand jury. There's no judge, only the prosecutor and the jury; does that sound fair? So regardless of the charges brought by the grand jury, that is in no way a conviction which requires much more to convict. So even though the indictment called for poaching, the trial could not prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

How does a grand jury work:

How Does a Grand Jury Work? - FindLaw

And with the myriad of other issues involved with this case, I will only address the one I know of, since I don't actually live there. I have researched that area for a long time and have read about how the Western Juniper is a problem there (something the Hammonds have over the years tried to eradicate):

Oregon Invasive Species: What to do with Western Juniper?

I am not saying that they used the best practices, but knowing what I know about the BLM, and NFS, I find that their frustration could be justified, and the accusations of the BLM to be possibly overstated.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Moron Levee

 

[BULLDOG]

Shouldn't you be wearing big shoes and a funny red nose every time you quote Allen West?

 

[teddyearp]

Moron Levee

Why don't you take your racist crap the heck out of this thread since you have nothing of real worth to contribute.

Please?

 

[Old Rocks]

I read the article about the fires and the sentencing...apparently, environmentalists want the Hammond land, and the government is doing all they can to get it.

if you did you'd have known the fires were set on "leased" BLM land hack boi

One of the fires, set in 2001, was a prescribed burn on Hammond’s private property; a routine range improvement practice. The other fire, set on Hammond’s private property in 2006, was a back-burn intended to protect the ranch’s winter pasture from a lightening fire on adjacent federal land.

Ranchers face added jail time for BLM fire | TSLN.com
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Now please STFU and let the honest adults talks, Ms Stolen Valor.

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You are rapidly putting yourself outside of that definition, Missouri. Harney County is not Missouri. It is all rural. The town of Burns is the only town in it, and has all of 7000 people, on a good day. The next town is Drewsey, which has maybe 30 people. It is 10,228 sq. mi. in size. Almost everybody knows everybody else. A jury of their peers convicted the Hammond's of setting those fires. They would not have done so without very convincing evidence. That is very dry country, and has had some extreme fires in the past decade, some of which have cost some ranchers as much as 1/3 of their herd. Setting those fires were acts of criminal negligence. The Hammond's were justly convicted, and served their time.

There should not be additional time added. And that is what the peaceful protest in Burns was all about.

The actions of the militia are illegal, and should be prosecuted.

 

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[Roudy]

"Assholes making trouble in Oregon" sounds like the title of the latest porn flick.

 

[JimH52]

I am a patriot. Guns are cool, but, I don't need have a gun to be American. I'm 100% American, bonafide, with a birth certificate and all that. If we NEED to have a firearm in this country, what kind of country are we living in?

It's not a matter of need.
It's about freedom and our 2nd amendment rights.

Naw, it's about being bullies and domestic terrorist. THEY ARE NOT WANTED HERE!

 

[CremeBrulee]

Here's a fun little video. Its rambling and barely coherent. But its apparently from one of the seditious conspirators now in Oregon.

Sounds like he's got a chip on his shoulder over those who went to college.

"Do you want to die, in prison, labeled a terrorist by these oppressors? Or do you want to die out here with us, a free man? I want to die a free man"

'Die out here with us". Yeah, no intent of violence with Y'all Qaeda. When he's talking about dying 'out here with us', I'm sure he's talking a nasty case of botulism from all the canned food. Maybe clogged arteries.

Yal Qaeda

I like Vanilla Isis and Al Shabubba too.

 

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[JimH52]

Here's a fun little video. Its rambling and barely coherent. But its apparently from one of the seditious conspirators now in Oregon.

Is he going to fight ISIS?

Looks like a skinhead to me.

 

[teddyearp]

And why did these folks get charged with 'terrorism"?

 

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