At this point, we know the differences are irreconcilable between libs and conservatives

[Donald H]

The American people can and do get a piece of the American pie - if they work for it and earn it. Opportunities abound.

YOU would see handouts as the way for Americans to get a piece of the pie - and the government not taking money from successful people and giving it non-successful as “creating poverty.” Your leftist, socialist Canadian attitude needs to stay in Canada.

I'm very aware of your opinion Lisa.

 

[Lisa558]

Leftist: waaaaa……the government didn’t take enough money from hard-working, successful, motivated, competent people and give it to lazy, unsuccessful, unmotivated, incompetent people. Thus, the government has “created poverty.”

ANYONE in poverty can take advantage of Pell Grants and learn a trade or vocation of some sort.

 

[Lisa558]

I'm very aware of your opinion Lisa.

And I of yours.

(And for the audience, my opinion is that people should take advantage of the opportunities that America offers and move up the ladder. I’ve seen it done repeatedly in my own family.)

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You would see that government ensuring that the American people get a piece of the great American pie, as handouts. I don't see that there's anything to gain on further discussion with you. You have my opinion on the issue now at least.

The problem is there is no pie. It never existed. Money is not finite in our country. You can make as much or as little of it as you desire, but that's on you, not the government.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The government of your country has created widespread poverty for the American people.
I'm not surprised on your opinion Lisa. Many still think that Trump is going to change that fact.

I don't think you'll find many Trump supporters who think that. Most of his supporters believe in self-sufficiency. Government is not responsible for anybody being rich or anybody being poor. In our country, those are decisions people make for themselves.

 

[Donald H]

I don't think you'll find many Trump supporters who think that. Most of his supporters believe in self-sufficiency. Government is not responsible for anybody being rich or anybody being poor. In our country, those are decisions people make for themselves.

Got it Ray!
Then if all that is true then the American people are in large part lazy bums who deserve the statistical evidence that says that America is doing poorly on quality of life, freedoms, economic freedom, prison system failure, gun slaughter of it's people and ...........

Did I miss anything?

Do you have any other reasons why the American people are so pissed off?

How about we just agree that none of it is true Ray?

There's no middle ground Ray. Have a nice day!

 

[Lisa558]

The problem is there is no pie. It never existed. Money is not finite in our country. You can make as much or as little of it as you desire, but that's on you, not the government.

Precisely. These libs think that if one is successful and makes money, that means less for someone else.

In truth, it means MORE for someone else. I had a (moderately) successful business, and by working hard and applying my skills, I was able to provide jobs for four other people. In addition to that, I had to purchase raw materials for the product, thus helping support the supplier and contributing to the salaries of their people.

 

[Lisa558]

I don't think you'll find many Trump supporters who think that. Most of his supporters believe in self-sufficiency. Government is not responsible for anybody being rich or anybody being poor. In our country, those are decisions people make for themselves.

My dad went from a fourth-floor tenement with a shared bathroom down the hall to a 3-bedroom suburban home with a yard in 8 years, and on to a a large colonial home 12 years after that. From abject poverty to the upper-middle class in 20 years.

Same story with my uncles, and my aunt, and my mother. All born poor - all middle class by age 30, and downright affluent by their 40s.

So I’m tired of all these sanctimonious leftists crying how we “create poverty” when we don’t give poor people other people’s money. They can work for what they want, and earn a better life.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Got it Ray!
Then if all that is true then the American people are in large part lazy bums who deserve the statistical evidence that says that America is doing poorly on quality of life, freedoms, economic freedom, prison system failure, gun slaughter of it's people and ...........

Did I miss anything?

Do you have any other reasons why the American people are so pissed off?

How about we just agree that none of it is true Ray?

There's no middle ground Ray. Have a nice day!

Maybe things are different in Commida, but here every American has the opportunity for success. It is true that a good portion of our populous are lazy good for nothings. Those are caused by social programs that provide a better or same lifestyle as those who work.

But financially successful people never became wealthy sitting home on welfare. They worked night and day, made investments in themselves or other companies, and had to resist the temptations of the newest iPhone, newest car, the best cable/ satellite packages. Some never married and others who did marry never had children. It's like my father used to say: Making money is easy; an idiot can make money, but money is hard to keep.

For those who were able to keep money and invest it, they are doing well to great. Those who didn't live in poverty, and that's a choice they made for themselves. They dropped out of school, never learned a trade or went to college, never invested a dime of the money they did make. They held to a 40 hour work week and had children they could never afford in the first place.

As far as quality of life, nobody is fighting to leave the US, but millions ever year fight to get into our country.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

My dad went from a fourth-floor tenement with a shared bathroom down the hall to a 3-bedroom suburban home with a yard in 8 years, and on to a a large colonial home 12 years after that. From abject poverty to the upper-middle class in 20 years.

Same story with my uncles, and my aunt, and my mother. All born poor - all middle class by age 30, and downright affluent by their 40s.

So I’m tired of all these sanctimonious leftists crying how we “create poverty” when we don’t give poor people other people’s money. They can work for what they want, and earn a better life.

Lol. My father can tell you stories that would make you cry. They lived up north here in a house with no running water or electricity. They huddled by the fireplace to stay warm at night. If you had to use the bathroom, you really had to go because the outhouse was in the backyard, and when it gets cold with that winter snow blowing in off lake Erie, going to the bathroom was no joy.

My father and his six siblings all grew up without spending one day in jail. Most of them got into the construction trades, my aunts married hard working men. My father laughs when he talks about joining the US Marines to fight in Korea. He said at least there, they had three square meals a day, something he never grew up with.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Precisely. These libs think that if one is successful and makes money, that means less for someone else.

In truth, it means MORE for someone else. I had a (moderately) successful business, and by working hard and applying my skills, I was able to provide jobs for four other people. In addition to that, I had to purchase raw materials for the product, thus helping support the supplier and contributing to the salaries of their people.

And don't forget about us truck drivers. We depended on people like you to get their freight hauled.

 

[Donald H]

Lol. My father can tell you stories that would make you cry. They lived up north here in a house with no running water or electricity. They huddled by the fireplace to stay warm at night. If you had to use the bathroom, you really had to go because the outhouse was in the backyard, and when it gets cold with that winter snow blowing in off lake Erie, going to the bathroom was no joy.

My father and his six siblings all grew up without spending one day in jail. Most of them got into the construction trades, my aunts married hard working men. My father laughs when he talks about joining the US Marines to fight in Korea. He said at least there, they had three square meals a day, something he never grew up with.

You really do want to tell me about yourself Ray, but the 'commida' remark disqualified you again. My rules on proper behaviour apply to all Americans and all others alike. Register that in your brain and maybe try again in a week or so.

 

[Lisa558]

Lol. My father can tell you stories that would make you cry. They lived up north here in a house with no running water or electricity. They huddled by the fireplace to stay warm at night. If you had to use the bathroom, you really had to go because the outhouse was in the backyard, and when it gets cold with that winter snow blowing in off lake Erie, going to the bathroom was no joy.

My father and his six siblings all grew up without spending one day in jail. Most of them got into the construction trades, my aunts married hard working men. My father laughs when he talks about joining the US Marines to fight in Korea. He said at least there, they had three square meals a day, something he never grew up with.

I’ll call you, and raise you one. My father was so poor that they couldn’t afford the extra penny to have the ice for the icebox delivered to their apartment! My dad, starting at age 8, borrowed a wagon from a neighbor and went and got the ice himself.

Nobody in my family ever spent a day in jail, either, so I too have had it with the “0hhhhh…..people have to steal because they’re hungry.” Both my parents had watered-down soup for dinner, and on a Shabbos - to be special! - the whole family shared a little chicken. Mom told me she got a wing.

And remember, back then there were no food stamps, no rent subsidies, no Medicaid, no free lunch at school, etc., etc. When I would ask my folks how they managed on so little, the answer was always “we made do.” They certainly didn’t expect that other people should support them.

 

[Lisa558]

And don't forget about us truck drivers. We depended on people like you to get their freight hauled.

So true. The raw materials had to be shipped to my supplier. When one person is successful, the benefits are felt all through the line.

 

[Lisa558]

You really do want to tell me about yourself Ray, but the 'commida' remark disqualified you again. My rules on proper behaviour apply to all Americans and all others alike. Register that in your brain and maybe try again in a week or so.

You’ve got some nerve! A Canadian posting on an American forum about his rules for proper behavior (no “u” down here) for Americans.

Should I go on to an Australian forum and tell them my proper rules of behavior for Australians?

 

[Donald H]

I’ll call you, and raise you one. My father was so poor that they couldn’t afford the extra penny to have the ice for the icebox delivered to their apartment! My dad, starting at age 8, borrowed a wagon from a neighbor and went and got the ice himself.

Nobody in my family ever spent a day in jail, either, so I too have had it with the “0hhhhh…..people have to steal because they’re hungry.” Both my parents had watered-down soup for dinner, and on a Shabbos - to be special! - the whole family shared a little chicken. Mom told me she got a wing.

And remember, back then there were no food stamps, no rent subsidies, no Medicaid, no free lunch at school, etc., etc. When I would ask my folks how they managed on so little, the answer was always “we made do.” They certainly didn’t expect that other people should support them.

Times were hard in Canada too during the periods of time being suggested.

But Canada had at least a social security net that kept people alive at least. My parents saw that as a good thing.

Canada has long since emerged above those times but far too many Americans haven't. Maybe we can acknowledge that at least.

I'm hearing a lot about how many Americans are lazy and only want to rely on government handouts. I'm accepting that is true. There has to be some reason for America's dismal statistics.

 

[Lisa558]

Times were hard in Canada too during the periods of time being suggested.

But Canada had at least a social security net that kept people alive at least. My parents saw that as a good thing.

Canada has long since emerged above those times but far too many Americans haven't. Maybe we can acknowledge that at least.

I'm hearing a lot about how many Americans are lazy and only want to rely on government handouts. I'm accepting that is true. There has to be some reason for America's dismal statistics.

Not sure what dismal statistics you’re talking about. Only 10% of Americans are below the poverty line.

 

[Flopper]

A private oil lease is contracted by a certain amount. The person who owns the mineral rights have to allow oil companies to pump at least that much. But no more. Contracts may differ. But someone who's been selling their oil to oil companies for a while, know this, and will not sell their oil to any oil company unless this is stipulated in the contract.
Right now, on private lands, those who own the mineral rights are holding on to every drop they can, within the contracted amount, because they know it's going to continue to rise.
And the oil companies aren't complaining, because they don't care. This is teaching Biden a lesson not to F with them. And their profits are going up every time the market value goes up.

That's interesting. I have mineral rights in Oklahoma and and 5 of them are leased and 3 are producing. I get a payment 1/8 or 3/16 of the products sold based on the mineral acres I own. The remainder goes to the general partners who pay drilling costs and maintenance costs.
When a well starts producing, the well operator will arrange for sale of the oil, gas or condensate. The buyer issues a division order which states how the funds from the sale of the products will be divided between general partners and mineral interest owners in accordance with the agreed lease terms.

I have never seen any limit in a lease or division order as to how much of the produce can produced and I have been leasing these properties for many years. Maybe in some states that is how it's done although I don't understand why a person leasing the rights would put any limits on how much oil can be pumped. The more the operator pumps, the more money owner of the mineral rights gets. However, most states limit on how much oil can be pumped per acre a day. I think it has to do with conservation of the oil.

 

[Flopper]

Gas is about $1.92 per gallon in Russia today.

This is because Russia produces more oil than they can use. About half of all production is exported.

 

[Flopper]

The US uses between 12 million and 28 million barrels of oil every month from Russia. It's less of the actual impact it has than the speculated impact it has. While I only traded oil contracts once (and that was a huge mistake) I know how this all works. All major sources that discuss this latest increase (2 increases last week alone) points the blame on the invasion of Ukraine and what that means for this country. And guess what? Not one barrel of oil has been removed from the Russian/ American exchange. The speculators are buying long contracts in case it does happen thus increasing the price.

Since you know something about this, what's to keep Russia from selling to other oil countries at less than market and then they ship to the US.