Atheism; An Intellectual Dead End

[sealybobo]

I think God is impossible to disprove. They'll never prove he exists either because he doesnt

That was hilarious. Do you understand what you just wrote? Your statement should be the poster child for confirmation bias.

Let me know the day my comment is proven wrong.

And as for atheism being a dead end. That's life. All life leads to a dead end.

Atheism teaches us to appreciate the time you have now. Don't cope with a shitty life in hopes of an afterlife. That's what religion asks you to do.

What you pray for God will give go be able to cope in this world we live

She should have been praying to change her woes not cope with them. Anyways it's an arrestive development song and the lyrics stuck.

Today is that day. Atheism being equivalent to intellectual death is not the same thing as dying.

No. Atheism does not teach you that. Atheism makes you deify yourself. Atheism's basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Your doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. Atheism leads to the practice of moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Atheism's hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. Atheists can be identified by an external locus of control. Atheists worship science but are the first to reject it.

Praying to God promotes thankfulness, humility and charity and alters the fabric of my identity to allow me to overcome obstacles and grow as a human being. When we pray, God does not do it for us, He gives us the strength to do it for our self.

Where did you get all this? I have values and morality beyond mortal pleasures. Except abortion there's not much difference between what you and I believe. Maybe that's because it's common sense.

Jews used to not be allowed to eat shrimp. Today they can eat shrimp. I guess they do whatever makes them feel good too even though their God specifically said don't eat shrimp.

No. You don't. You have relative values which are subject to change. Those aren't values. Those are conveniences. You keep making silly littel fringe arguments which have no bearing on the subject. Shrimp? Really? Shrimp? When you can tell me that you believe it is wrong to end a human life, let me know, Ok? Then I'll change my opinion on your lack of values.

Besides abortion give me another example of how your religion makes your values different than mine. Did you wait to be married before you had sex? Did you divorce? Ever cheat? Lie? Steal? These are all things I know are wrong but many Christians do these things

 

[sealybobo]

I think God is impossible to disprove. They'll never prove he exists either because he doesnt

That was hilarious. Do you understand what you just wrote? Your statement should be the poster child for confirmation bias.

Let me know the day my comment is proven wrong.

And as for atheism being a dead end. That's life. All life leads to a dead end.

Atheism teaches us to appreciate the time you have now. Don't cope with a shitty life in hopes of an afterlife. That's what religion asks you to do.

What you pray for God will give go be able to cope in this world we live

She should have been praying to change her woes not cope with them. Anyways it's an arrestive development song and the lyrics stuck.

Today is that day. Atheism being equivalent to intellectual death is not the same thing as dying.

No. Atheism does not teach you that. Atheism makes you deify yourself. Atheism's basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Your doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. Atheism leads to the practice of moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Atheism's hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. Atheists can be identified by an external locus of control. Atheists worship science but are the first to reject it.

Praying to God promotes thankfulness, humility and charity and alters the fabric of my identity to allow me to overcome obstacles and grow as a human being. When we pray, God does not do it for us, He gives us the strength to do it for our self.

Where did you get all this? I have values and morality beyond mortal pleasures. Except abortion there's not much difference between what you and I believe. Maybe that's because it's common sense.

Jews used to not be allowed to eat shrimp. Today they can eat shrimp. I guess they do whatever makes them feel good too even though their God specifically said don't eat shrimp.

No. You don't. You have relative values which are subject to change. Those aren't values. Those are conveniences. You keep making silly littel fringe arguments which have no bearing on the subject. Shrimp? Really? Shrimp? When you can tell me that you believe it is wrong to end a human life, let me know, Ok? Then I'll change my opinion on your lack of values.

God told your religions founders that eating shrimp was wrong. Your values have changed.

Popes now forgive abortions.

 

[sealybobo]

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the observation of expansion from a central source, all matter is traveling at a finite angle - the matter will return to its origin as a mirror image causing recompaction till the new singularity again causes its expansion. Boomerang Theory.

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I see. And your proof for this is what?

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I see. And your proof for this is what?

ask the gunnery sargent, trajectory in a vacuum from a spherical expulsion .... how about it engineer, is all matter traveling in a straight line or en/mass accelerating to reconvene in unison 0.5(X)APEX (finite angle). the universe within the Cosmos.

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That doesn't sound like proof. Do you have any proof?

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That doesn't sound like proof. Do you have any proof?

maybe an image will help you


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Isaac Newton had the same problem, with people like you bing.

without garavity, the above example the trajectory traveling at a finite angle will eventually return to its origin and reload itself in the guns breach. the same for the celestrial bodies from the moment of Singularity.

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Ummmm... that isn't proof, dumbass, that is theory. Do you have any fucking proof? The only proof we have is for the beginning. Do you need for me to show it to you so that you can understand the difference between proof and theory?

A scientific theory is as close to a fact as you are going to get to a fact. God isn't even a common theory because there's zero evidence. God is a hypothesis at best

 

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Your problem is that you need to greater simplify the question in order to hold your view. The fact is we are here. The universe exists. You have no answers and can only quote various theories. All are potential possibilities to the atheist, except god. Atheists are among the most fundamentalist believers out there.

Not true. God is absolutely a possibility. It is just a possiblity that requires evidence.

How so? People can believe anything they want. No one is obliged to prove their beliefs to anyone else. If god is a possibility then the correct term is agnostic. The atheist goes further, states a belief that they can't support either. The difference is the atheist claims science is on his side.

You're right. I thought you were talking about the point of view of atheists. If no proof of God is necessary for you that's fine. However, your contention was that atheists are unwilling to concede to the possiblity of God for atheists. I am merely correcting your misunderstanding of the position of atheists for atheists. The atheist will not simply concede God, and then look for evidence to support that preconception. The atheist will concede the possiblity of the existance of God, but requires objective evidence to move that possiblity to probability, or certitude, for the Atheist.

I said in the beginning that the theist was honest about their position and made a statement of faith. And that the atheist was dishonest by making a statement of faith and calling it science. Now if the individual says god is possible then they are an agnostic. Atheism refers to a different belief system. These are well established words and we can't let individuals redefine terms for the rest of us.

The problem is that you are being overly simplistic:

An "Agnostic" is njust an atheist who is trying to be diplomatic. Atheists, whether they are an agnostic atheist, or a Gnostic Atheist, are still atheists. They're default position is that there is no God, and requobjective evidence to be persuaded to nmove from that position. You seem to think that Atheists are absolute, and immovable in teir position. They're not.

Welll...I mean, most of us are, but only because ini the some 3-million-year history of the existence of man, no objective evidence has yet been provided to prove the existence of divinity. So, it's not that we are unwilling to be moved from our position by objective evidence; rather it is that we have a well-earned skeptisicm that such evidence will ever be forthcoming.

However, we atheists, whether gnostic, or agnostic, are more than willing to assess any objective evidence when provided. We're just waiting for that objective evidence. I am an atheist. I am also more than willing to concede that I was mistaken about my atheism, just as soon as someone provides me with actual objective evidence of the existance of divinity.

That is an overly complex rationalization. The only real belief is of if there is a higher power. Different faiths do not matter.

 

[sealybobo]

Where did you get all this? I have values and morality beyond mortal pleasures. Except abortion there's not much difference between what you and I believe. Maybe that's because it's common sense.

Jews used to not be allowed to eat shrimp. Today they can eat shrimp. I guess they do whatever makes them feel good too even though their God specifically said don't eat shrimp.

No. You don't. You have relative values which are subject to change. Those aren't values. Those are conveniences. You keep making silly littel fringe arguments which have no bearing on the subject. Shrimp? Really? Shrimp? When you can tell me that you believe it is wrong to end a human life, let me know, Ok? Then I'll change my opinion on your lack of values.

So... You believe it wrong to end a human life? Period, full stop? Sure you want to make such a definitive statement? Because, if so, it will take about 2 seconds for me to demonstrate that you are either a moron, or a liar.

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Yes, I believe it is wrong to end a human life at all times. Please proceed. It's not like I have not already thought this through.

Right, then. So, it is your position that war is wrong under any, and all circumstances? Really? Killing Osama Bin Laden was wrong? Really?

Yep. Killing is wrong but we will still do it. No need to justify that it was right. It is possible for honest men to do dishonest things and still be honest men. It is possible for moral men to do immoral things and still be moral men. It is only through rationalization that moral men become immoral. If you killed someone who was raping your wife you would feel two things; you would feel relief for helping your wife and you would feel remorse for killing a man. If you didn't, you should question what kind of man you are. It is rationalization which leads men to continue to do evil. If we stop the rationalizing then our behaviors change and we would all be moral and have no need for killing.

I wouldn't feel bad killing a man who raped my wife. In fact I would hope to torture him before he died. OK there's another way you might be a better person than me

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

That was hilarious. Do you understand what you just wrote? Your statement should be the poster child for confirmation bias.

Let me know the day my comment is proven wrong.

And as for atheism being a dead end. That's life. All life leads to a dead end.

Atheism teaches us to appreciate the time you have now. Don't cope with a shitty life in hopes of an afterlife. That's what religion asks you to do.

What you pray for God will give go be able to cope in this world we live

She should have been praying to change her woes not cope with them. Anyways it's an arrestive development song and the lyrics stuck.

Today is that day. Atheism being equivalent to intellectual death is not the same thing as dying.

No. Atheism does not teach you that. Atheism makes you deify yourself. Atheism's basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Your doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. Atheism leads to the practice of moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Atheism's hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. Atheists can be identified by an external locus of control. Atheists worship science but are the first to reject it.

Praying to God promotes thankfulness, humility and charity and alters the fabric of my identity to allow me to overcome obstacles and grow as a human being. When we pray, God does not do it for us, He gives us the strength to do it for our self.

Where did you get all this? I have values and morality beyond mortal pleasures. Except abortion there's not much difference between what you and I believe. Maybe that's because it's common sense.

Jews used to not be allowed to eat shrimp. Today they can eat shrimp. I guess they do whatever makes them feel good too even though their God specifically said don't eat shrimp.

No. You don't. You have relative values which are subject to change. Those aren't values. Those are conveniences. You keep making silly littel fringe arguments which have no bearing on the subject. Shrimp? Really? Shrimp? When you can tell me that you believe it is wrong to end a human life, let me know, Ok? Then I'll change my opinion on your lack of values.

Besides abortion give me another example of how your religion makes your values different than mine. Did you wait to be married before you had sex? Did you divorce? Ever cheat? Lie? Steal? These are all things I know are wrong but many Christians do these things

Did your moral values evolve in isolation?

 

[ding]

That wasn't my question and you didn't answer it. Do you know what evidence exists for the widely held belief that the universe had a beginning? Yes or no?

Well that question wasn't very well phrased now was it?

The most widely accepted theory, the big bang, is based on the observable movement of galaxies.

But then again our "universal laws " of physics are not universal by a long shot

Let me re-phrase my question for you. Scientific evidence exists for the belief that the universe began through an event called the big bang. Do you know what this scientific evidence is? Yes or no? Now do you understand the question?

You are quite right. There is such evidence. Unfortunately, there are also phenomena, and inconsistencies in the cosmos for which the Big Bang does not, and cannot account. Which is why The Big Bang Singularity is beinbg replaced by the Quantum Gravity Loop theory. Do you know what these inconsistencies are, and why the Big Bang theory was insufficient?

No, and I don't care to know because it does not change the fact that the universe had a beginning. It is the beginning and all that has happened since the beginning that is the evidence. Not what happened before it. None of our equations will ever be able to prove what happened before the 1st trillionth of a billionth of a second. No observations we ever be able to tell us what cause the beginning. All that we know is that there was a beginning and that that beginning has not been eternal or infinite in time. There is a finite expansion of the universe at this point in time.

Uh, no it didn't, that is rather the point. No beginning, no need for God.

In the context of evidence for the existence of God, it most certainly does matter.

 

[ding]

I see. And your proof for this is what?

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I see. And your proof for this is what?

ask the gunnery sargent, trajectory in a vacuum from a spherical expulsion .... how about it engineer, is all matter traveling in a straight line or en/mass accelerating to reconvene in unison 0.5(X)APEX (finite angle). the universe within the Cosmos.

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That doesn't sound like proof. Do you have any proof?

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That doesn't sound like proof. Do you have any proof?

maybe an image will help you


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Isaac Newton had the same problem, with people like you bing.

without garavity, the above example the trajectory traveling at a finite angle will eventually return to its origin and reload itself in the guns breach. the same for the celestrial bodies from the moment of Singularity.

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Ummmm... that isn't proof, dumbass, that is theory. Do you have any fucking proof? The only proof we have is for the beginning. Do you need for me to show it to you so that you can understand the difference between proof and theory?

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Ummmm... that isn't proof, dumbass, that is theory.

the trajectory of celestial matter is a loop, en mass, in unison along a finite angle and answers the question what happened the Tuesday before Singularity, matter was still compacting ... if bing got this far it also explains how the BB is cyclical.

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Sorry, but there is no evidence for what happened before one trillionth of one billionth of a second for what happened before space and time came into existence.

 

[ding]

No. You don't. You have relative values which are subject to change. Those aren't values. Those are conveniences. You keep making silly littel fringe arguments which have no bearing on the subject. Shrimp? Really? Shrimp? When you can tell me that you believe it is wrong to end a human life, let me know, Ok? Then I'll change my opinion on your lack of values.

So... You believe it wrong to end a human life? Period, full stop? Sure you want to make such a definitive statement? Because, if so, it will take about 2 seconds for me to demonstrate that you are either a moron, or a liar.

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Yes, I believe it is wrong to end a human life at all times. Please proceed. It's not like I have not already thought this through.

Right, then. So, it is your position that war is wrong under any, and all circumstances? Really? Killing Osama Bin Laden was wrong? Really?

Yep. Killing is wrong but we will still do it. No need to justify that it was right. It is possible for honest men to do dishonest things and still be honest men. It is possible for moral men to do immoral things and still be moral men. It is only through rationalization that moral men become immoral. If you killed someone who was raping your wife you would feel two things; you would feel relief for helping your wife and you would feel remorse for killing a man. If you didn't, you should question what kind of man you are. It is rationalization which leads men to continue to do evil. If we stop the rationalizing then our behaviors change and we would all be moral and have no need for killing.

I wouldn't feel bad killing a man who raped my wife. In fact I would hope to torture him before he died. OK there's another way you might be a better person than me

The real question then would be if you would later feel remorse for doing so.

 

[sealybobo]

You are confusing evidence for proof. If you create something tangible, it can be used as evidence.

We don't know who or what created the universe or if it was created at all for that matter

The existence of a thing is not proof of anything but that it exists.

Our best understanding of the data tells us that it did have a beginning. We live in a universe which has never had an uncaused event. Therefore, there was a cause for the beginning. We know that the universe is a self referential system and in many ways behaves like a brain. We know that the laws of nature are such that given enough time and the right conditions that beings that know and create will eventually arise. We know that that potential existed when space and time cane into existence. We know that everything that has happened since space and time came into existence was required for beings that know and create to arise. We know from our own experiences that when we create something that it can be used as evidence to learn things about us. For the life of me I have no idea of what evidence you have that something came from nothing without a cause or what you could possibly attribute that cause to. Do you?

Our best understanding may not be that good you know.

It is arrogance to think we are even capable of understanding everything in the universe. We do not fully understand the human brain either.


Just like it is arrogance to believe we are created in the image of some god

What evidence that the universe had a beginning do believe our best understanding is based upon?

We don't really know how the universe began
We may never know simply because we are incapable of understanding it. Just like dogs can't understand calculus

This Is What We Don’t Know About The Universe

We can never know what was before the big bang. What we do know is either time and space are infinite. Either thats true or there is no infinite God either.

Our universe is but one little universe. Our sun is but one little star. Our planet is just one little planet.

There was a time not too long ago we didn't know we were just one planet surrounding one sun. We thought we were special and that there must be a purpose. There is. Live well and prosper

 

[sealybobo]

I said in the beginning that the theist was honest about their position and made a statement of faith. And that the atheist was dishonest by making a statement of faith and calling it science. Now if the individual says god is possible then they are an agnostic. Atheism refers to a different belief system. These are well established words and we can't let individuals redefine terms for the rest of us.

The problem is that you are being overly simplistic:

An "Agnostic" is njust an atheist who is trying to be diplomatic. Atheists, whether they are an agnostic atheist, or a Gnostic Atheist, are still atheists. They're default position is that there is no God, and requobjective evidence to be persuaded to nmove from that position. You seem to think that Atheists are absolute, and immovable in teir position. They're not.

Welll...I mean, most of us are, but only because ini the some 3-million-year history of the existence of man, no objective evidence has yet been provided to prove the existence of divinity. So, it's not that we are unwilling to be moved from our position by objective evidence; rather it is that we have a well-earned skeptisicm that such evidence will ever be forthcoming.

However, we atheists, whether gnostic, or agnostic, are more than willing to assess any objective evidence when provided. We're just waiting for that objective evidence. I am an atheist. I am also more than willing to concede that I was mistaken about my atheism, just as soon as someone provides me with actual objective evidence of the existance of divinity.

I'm not the one that needs pictures to express my position. You can spin but you can't change any facts. If you make statements you can't back up you are making a declaration of faith. You can't say there is no god with any credibility. If you do you are insane, dishonest or not particularly bright.

You have self identified yourself as an agnostic so I'm going with dishonest.

I haven't identified myself as agnostic you have, because you want to justify your hatred of atheists.

I never said I hated atheists. You're a liar. And if you'll recall I started out saying atheists were liars. You said you recognize the possibility of a god, that makes you an agnostic. That's English. Learn it.

You're attitude towards atheists is clear in your misrepresentation of who atheists are, and your assumption that you know how "all athiests" think. Just because you want to dishonestly pretend like you have no animosity, it doesn't mean that the animosity isn't obvious.

Like to suggest we're all socialists or commies. Tell that to Ayn rand

 

[ding]

That was hilarious. Do you understand what you just wrote? Your statement should be the poster child for confirmation bias.

Let me know the day my comment is proven wrong.

And as for atheism being a dead end. That's life. All life leads to a dead end.

Atheism teaches us to appreciate the time you have now. Don't cope with a shitty life in hopes of an afterlife. That's what religion asks you to do.

What you pray for God will give go be able to cope in this world we live

She should have been praying to change her woes not cope with them. Anyways it's an arrestive development song and the lyrics stuck.

Today is that day. Atheism being equivalent to intellectual death is not the same thing as dying.

No. Atheism does not teach you that. Atheism makes you deify yourself. Atheism's basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Your doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. Atheism leads to the practice of moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Atheism's hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. Atheists can be identified by an external locus of control. Atheists worship science but are the first to reject it.

Praying to God promotes thankfulness, humility and charity and alters the fabric of my identity to allow me to overcome obstacles and grow as a human being. When we pray, God does not do it for us, He gives us the strength to do it for our self.

Where did you get all this? I have values and morality beyond mortal pleasures. Except abortion there's not much difference between what you and I believe. Maybe that's because it's common sense.

Jews used to not be allowed to eat shrimp. Today they can eat shrimp. I guess they do whatever makes them feel good too even though their God specifically said don't eat shrimp.

No. You don't. You have relative values which are subject to change. Those aren't values. Those are conveniences. You keep making silly littel fringe arguments which have no bearing on the subject. Shrimp? Really? Shrimp? When you can tell me that you believe it is wrong to end a human life, let me know, Ok? Then I'll change my opinion on your lack of values.

Besides abortion give me another example of how your religion makes your values different than mine. Did you wait to be married before you had sex? Did you divorce? Ever cheat? Lie? Steal? These are all things I know are wrong but many Christians do these things

The difference is that I have learned to not rationalize wrong as a right. I was and am no saint. It is about the progression and journey towards being a saint. I don't claim to be there. I just don't claim to rationalize when I'm not. That act in and of itself is responsible for progressing. A bad man does not know he is bad. Only a good man knows how bad he is.

 

[sealybobo]

Hey

You are confusing evidence for proof. If you create something tangible, it can be used as evidence.

We don't know who or what created the universe or if it was created at all for that matter

The existence of a thing is not proof of anything but that it exists.

Our best understanding of the data tells us that it did have a beginning. We live in a universe which has never had an uncaused event. Therefore, there was a cause for the beginning. We know that the universe is a self referential system and in many ways behaves like a brain. We know that the laws of nature are such that given enough time and the right conditions that beings that know and create will eventually arise. We know that that potential existed when space and time cane into existence. We know that everything that has happened since space and time came into existence was required for beings that know and create to arise. We know from our own experiences that when we create something that it can be used as evidence to learn things about us. For the life of me I have no idea of what evidence you have that something came from nothing without a cause or what you could possibly attribute that cause to. Do you?

Our best understanding may not be that good you know.

It is arrogance to think we are even capable of understanding everything in the universe. We do not fully understand the human brain either.


Just like it is arrogance to believe we are created in the image of some god

What evidence that the universe had a beginning do believe our best understanding is based upon?

We don't really know how the universe began
We may never know simply because we are incapable of understanding it. Just like dogs can't understand calculus

This Is What We Don’t Know About The Universe

Hey skull, ding says atheists are socialists and commies. Tell him you arent

 

[ding]

That was hilarious. Do you understand what you just wrote? Your statement should be the poster child for confirmation bias.

Let me know the day my comment is proven wrong.

And as for atheism being a dead end. That's life. All life leads to a dead end.

Atheism teaches us to appreciate the time you have now. Don't cope with a shitty life in hopes of an afterlife. That's what religion asks you to do.

What you pray for God will give go be able to cope in this world we live

She should have been praying to change her woes not cope with them. Anyways it's an arrestive development song and the lyrics stuck.

Today is that day. Atheism being equivalent to intellectual death is not the same thing as dying.

No. Atheism does not teach you that. Atheism makes you deify yourself. Atheism's basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Your doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. Atheism leads to the practice of moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Atheism's hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. Atheists can be identified by an external locus of control. Atheists worship science but are the first to reject it.

Praying to God promotes thankfulness, humility and charity and alters the fabric of my identity to allow me to overcome obstacles and grow as a human being. When we pray, God does not do it for us, He gives us the strength to do it for our self.

Where did you get all this? I have values and morality beyond mortal pleasures. Except abortion there's not much difference between what you and I believe. Maybe that's because it's common sense.

Jews used to not be allowed to eat shrimp. Today they can eat shrimp. I guess they do whatever makes them feel good too even though their God specifically said don't eat shrimp.

No. You don't. You have relative values which are subject to change. Those aren't values. Those are conveniences. You keep making silly littel fringe arguments which have no bearing on the subject. Shrimp? Really? Shrimp? When you can tell me that you believe it is wrong to end a human life, let me know, Ok? Then I'll change my opinion on your lack of values.

God told your religions founders that eating shrimp was wrong. Your values have changed.

Popes now forgive abortions.

Amusing yourself is not progressing yourself. You don't harm me with your behavior, just yourself and the ones you love.

 

[BreezeWood]

Let me know the day my comment is proven wrong.

And as for atheism being a dead end. That's life. All life leads to a dead end.

Atheism teaches us to appreciate the time you have now. Don't cope with a shitty life in hopes of an afterlife. That's what religion asks you to do.

What you pray for God will give go be able to cope in this world we live

She should have been praying to change her woes not cope with them. Anyways it's an arrestive development song and the lyrics stuck.

Today is that day. Atheism being equivalent to intellectual death is not the same thing as dying.

No. Atheism does not teach you that. Atheism makes you deify yourself. Atheism's basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Your doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. Atheism leads to the practice of moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Atheism's hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. Atheists can be identified by an external locus of control. Atheists worship science but are the first to reject it.

Praying to God promotes thankfulness, humility and charity and alters the fabric of my identity to allow me to overcome obstacles and grow as a human being. When we pray, God does not do it for us, He gives us the strength to do it for our self.

Where did you get all this? I have values and morality beyond mortal pleasures. Except abortion there's not much difference between what you and I believe. Maybe that's because it's common sense.

Jews used to not be allowed to eat shrimp. Today they can eat shrimp. I guess they do whatever makes them feel good too even though their God specifically said don't eat shrimp.

No. You don't. You have relative values which are subject to change. Those aren't values. Those are conveniences. You keep making silly littel fringe arguments which have no bearing on the subject. Shrimp? Really? Shrimp? When you can tell me that you believe it is wrong to end a human life, let me know, Ok? Then I'll change my opinion on your lack of values.

Besides abortion give me another example of how your religion makes your values different than mine. Did you wait to be married before you had sex? Did you divorce? Ever cheat? Lie? Steal? These are all things I know are wrong but many Christians do these things

Did your moral values evolve in isolation?

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Did your moral values evolve in isolation?

I look forward to the day when science can answer this question: What happened on the Tuesday before the big bang?

Did your moral values evolve in isolation?


it does seem yours have ... between the covers of a book.

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Hey

We don't know who or what created the universe or if it was created at all for that matter

The existence of a thing is not proof of anything but that it exists.

Our best understanding of the data tells us that it did have a beginning. We live in a universe which has never had an uncaused event. Therefore, there was a cause for the beginning. We know that the universe is a self referential system and in many ways behaves like a brain. We know that the laws of nature are such that given enough time and the right conditions that beings that know and create will eventually arise. We know that that potential existed when space and time cane into existence. We know that everything that has happened since space and time came into existence was required for beings that know and create to arise. We know from our own experiences that when we create something that it can be used as evidence to learn things about us. For the life of me I have no idea of what evidence you have that something came from nothing without a cause or what you could possibly attribute that cause to. Do you?

Our best understanding may not be that good you know.

It is arrogance to think we are even capable of understanding everything in the universe. We do not fully understand the human brain either.


Just like it is arrogance to believe we are created in the image of some god

What evidence that the universe had a beginning do believe our best understanding is based upon?

We don't really know how the universe began
We may never know simply because we are incapable of understanding it. Just like dogs can't understand calculus

This Is What We Don’t Know About The Universe

Hey skull, ding says atheists are socialists and commies. Tell him you arent

Actually, it is militant atheism which leads to communism. I don't always add that caveat. Shoot me. Considering that you are a militant atheist, I'm pretty sure you'd like that.

 

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I see. And your proof for this is what?

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I see. And your proof for this is what?

ask the gunnery sargent, trajectory in a vacuum from a spherical expulsion .... how about it engineer, is all matter traveling in a straight line or en/mass accelerating to reconvene in unison 0.5(X)APEX (finite angle). the universe within the Cosmos.

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That doesn't sound like proof. Do you have any proof?

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That doesn't sound like proof. Do you have any proof?

maybe an image will help you


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Isaac Newton had the same problem, with people like you bing.

without garavity, the above example the trajectory traveling at a finite angle will eventually return to its origin and reload itself in the guns breach. the same for the celestrial bodies from the moment of Singularity.

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Ummmm... that isn't proof, dumbass, that is theory. Do you have any fucking proof? The only proof we have is for the beginning. Do you need for me to show it to you so that you can understand the difference between proof and theory?

A scientific theory is as close to a fact as you are going to get to a fact. God isn't even a common theory because there's zero evidence. God is a hypothesis at best

God is supernatural. Science cannot prove or disprove the supernatural. Your religion of atheism is based as much on faith as mine is, I just have a good reason for my faith, whereas you don't.

 

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Today is that day. Atheism being equivalent to intellectual death is not the same thing as dying.

No. Atheism does not teach you that. Atheism makes you deify yourself. Atheism's basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Your doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. Atheism leads to the practice of moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Atheism's hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. Atheists can be identified by an external locus of control. Atheists worship science but are the first to reject it.

Praying to God promotes thankfulness, humility and charity and alters the fabric of my identity to allow me to overcome obstacles and grow as a human being. When we pray, God does not do it for us, He gives us the strength to do it for our self.

Where did you get all this? I have values and morality beyond mortal pleasures. Except abortion there's not much difference between what you and I believe. Maybe that's because it's common sense.

Jews used to not be allowed to eat shrimp. Today they can eat shrimp. I guess they do whatever makes them feel good too even though their God specifically said don't eat shrimp.

No. You don't. You have relative values which are subject to change. Those aren't values. Those are conveniences. You keep making silly littel fringe arguments which have no bearing on the subject. Shrimp? Really? Shrimp? When you can tell me that you believe it is wrong to end a human life, let me know, Ok? Then I'll change my opinion on your lack of values.

Besides abortion give me another example of how your religion makes your values different than mine. Did you wait to be married before you had sex? Did you divorce? Ever cheat? Lie? Steal? These are all things I know are wrong but many Christians do these things

Did your moral values evolve in isolation?

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Did your moral values evolve in isolation?

I look forward to the day when science can answer this question: What happened on the Tuesday before the big bang?

Did your moral values evolve in isolation?


it does seem yours have ... between the covers of a book.

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Feel free to elaborate Socrates.

 

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The problem is that you are being overly simplistic:

An "Agnostic" is njust an atheist who is trying to be diplomatic. Atheists, whether they are an agnostic atheist, or a Gnostic Atheist, are still atheists. They're default position is that there is no God, and requobjective evidence to be persuaded to nmove from that position. You seem to think that Atheists are absolute, and immovable in teir position. They're not.

Welll...I mean, most of us are, but only because ini the some 3-million-year history of the existence of man, no objective evidence has yet been provided to prove the existence of divinity. So, it's not that we are unwilling to be moved from our position by objective evidence; rather it is that we have a well-earned skeptisicm that such evidence will ever be forthcoming.

However, we atheists, whether gnostic, or agnostic, are more than willing to assess any objective evidence when provided. We're just waiting for that objective evidence. I am an atheist. I am also more than willing to concede that I was mistaken about my atheism, just as soon as someone provides me with actual objective evidence of the existance of divinity.

I'm not the one that needs pictures to express my position. You can spin but you can't change any facts. If you make statements you can't back up you are making a declaration of faith. You can't say there is no god with any credibility. If you do you are insane, dishonest or not particularly bright.

You have self identified yourself as an agnostic so I'm going with dishonest.

I haven't identified myself as agnostic you have, because you want to justify your hatred of atheists.

I never said I hated atheists. You're a liar. And if you'll recall I started out saying atheists were liars. You said you recognize the possibility of a god, that makes you an agnostic. That's English. Learn it.

You're attitude towards atheists is clear in your misrepresentation of who atheists are, and your assumption that you know how "all athiests" think. Just because you want to dishonestly pretend like you have no animosity, it doesn't mean that the animosity isn't obvious.

Like to suggest we're all socialists or commies. Tell that to Ayn rand

Ayn Rand was a conservative. You're not.

 

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That's just it; I don't have to prove non-existence. In science non-existence is the standard. It's called the null hypothosis. The null hypothesis is generally assumed to be true until evidence indicates otherwise. God is presumed to not exist, until objective evidence proves otherwise.

And you will never find that evidence unless you go looking for it which is why you are intellectually dead.

Pop culture atheists seem completely unaware of the fact that their thought processes are exactly like those of religious fundamentalists.

Exactly and they continue to deny it

We don't see it.

And are you admitting religious fundamentalist are wrong or bad? How are you different from a Fundy?

I see it in you everytime you have a hissy fit in atheist threads.

Which is all the time.

You didn't answer either of my questions.


A. When you say we are "no better" than religious fundamentalists, what is it you don't like about religious fundys?

B. How do you differ from a religious fundamentalist?