Atheism; An Intellectual Dead End

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Let me know the day my comment is proven wrong.

And as for atheism being a dead end. That's life. All life leads to a dead end.

Atheism teaches us to appreciate the time you have now. Don't cope with a shitty life in hopes of an afterlife. That's what religion asks you to do.

What you pray for God will give go be able to cope in this world we live

She should have been praying to change her woes not cope with them. Anyways it's an arrestive development song and the lyrics stuck.

Today is that day. Atheism being equivalent to intellectual death is not the same thing as dying.

No. Atheism does not teach you that. Atheism makes you deify yourself. Atheism's basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Your doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. Atheism leads to the practice of moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Atheism's hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. Atheists can be identified by an external locus of control. Atheists worship science but are the first to reject it.

Praying to God promotes thankfulness, humility and charity and alters the fabric of my identity to allow me to overcome obstacles and grow as a human being. When we pray, God does not do it for us, He gives us the strength to do it for our self.

Where did you get all this? I have values and morality beyond mortal pleasures. Except abortion there's not much difference between what you and I believe. Maybe that's because it's common sense.

Jews used to not be allowed to eat shrimp. Today they can eat shrimp. I guess they do whatever makes them feel good too even though their God specifically said don't eat shrimp.

No. You don't. You have relative values which are subject to change. Those aren't values. Those are conveniences. You keep making silly littel fringe arguments which have no bearing on the subject. Shrimp? Really? Shrimp? When you can tell me that you believe it is wrong to end a human life, let me know, Ok? Then I'll change my opinion on your lack of values.

Besides abortion give me another example of how your religion makes your values different than mine. Did you wait to be married before you had sex? Did you divorce? Ever cheat? Lie? Steal? These are all things I know are wrong but many Christians do these things

Did your moral values evolve in isolation?

That is a deep question with significant implications.

 

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And you will never find that evidence unless you go looking for it which is why you are intellectually dead.

Pop culture atheists seem completely unaware of the fact that their thought processes are exactly like those of religious fundamentalists.

Exactly and they continue to deny it

We don't see it.

And are you admitting religious fundamentalist are wrong or bad? How are you different from a Fundy?

I see it in you everytime you have a hissy fit in atheist threads.

Which is all the time.

You didn't answer either of my questions.


A. When you say we are "no better" than religious fundamentalists, what is it you don't like about religious fundys?

B. How do you differ from a religious fundamentalist?

Militant atheists like yourself are no better than religious fundamentalists because you are religious fundamentalists.

 

[sealybobo]

What I won't do, or can't do, is believe something I don't believe. I can't make that leap of faith because I want to. That's wishful thinking.

We are investigating every word you put forward. Are you unhappy because we aren't buying it like you did? Sorry

If you are an atheist then you are making a claim you can't back up. No amount of grandstanding can change it.

But then theists like ding get mad when we admit that and say we are agnostic atheists.

And if you are a theist you are making a claim you can't back up. True or not?

 

[sealybobo]

Today is that day. Atheism being equivalent to intellectual death is not the same thing as dying.

No. Atheism does not teach you that. Atheism makes you deify yourself. Atheism's basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Your doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. Atheism leads to the practice of moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Atheism's hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. Atheists can be identified by an external locus of control. Atheists worship science but are the first to reject it.

Praying to God promotes thankfulness, humility and charity and alters the fabric of my identity to allow me to overcome obstacles and grow as a human being. When we pray, God does not do it for us, He gives us the strength to do it for our self.

Where did you get all this? I have values and morality beyond mortal pleasures. Except abortion there's not much difference between what you and I believe. Maybe that's because it's common sense.

Jews used to not be allowed to eat shrimp. Today they can eat shrimp. I guess they do whatever makes them feel good too even though their God specifically said don't eat shrimp.

No. You don't. You have relative values which are subject to change. Those aren't values. Those are conveniences. You keep making silly littel fringe arguments which have no bearing on the subject. Shrimp? Really? Shrimp? When you can tell me that you believe it is wrong to end a human life, let me know, Ok? Then I'll change my opinion on your lack of values.

Besides abortion give me another example of how your religion makes your values different than mine. Did you wait to be married before you had sex? Did you divorce? Ever cheat? Lie? Steal? These are all things I know are wrong but many Christians do these things

Did your moral values evolve in isolation?

That is a deep question with significant implications.

What's the point? That I was raised in a religious society? So we're the Taliban so what's the point?

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

Today is that day. Atheism being equivalent to intellectual death is not the same thing as dying.

No. Atheism does not teach you that. Atheism makes you deify yourself. Atheism's basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. You have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Your doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. Atheism leads to the practice of moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Atheism's hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. Atheists can be identified by an external locus of control. Atheists worship science but are the first to reject it.

Praying to God promotes thankfulness, humility and charity and alters the fabric of my identity to allow me to overcome obstacles and grow as a human being. When we pray, God does not do it for us, He gives us the strength to do it for our self.

Where did you get all this? I have values and morality beyond mortal pleasures. Except abortion there's not much difference between what you and I believe. Maybe that's because it's common sense.

Jews used to not be allowed to eat shrimp. Today they can eat shrimp. I guess they do whatever makes them feel good too even though their God specifically said don't eat shrimp.

No. You don't. You have relative values which are subject to change. Those aren't values. Those are conveniences. You keep making silly littel fringe arguments which have no bearing on the subject. Shrimp? Really? Shrimp? When you can tell me that you believe it is wrong to end a human life, let me know, Ok? Then I'll change my opinion on your lack of values.

Besides abortion give me another example of how your religion makes your values different than mine. Did you wait to be married before you had sex? Did you divorce? Ever cheat? Lie? Steal? These are all things I know are wrong but many Christians do these things

Did your moral values evolve in isolation?

That is a deep question with significant implications.

Pop culture atheists apparently believe that systems of morality evolve independently without historic or cultural influence.

 

[sealybobo]

Pop culture atheists seem completely unaware of the fact that their thought processes are exactly like those of religious fundamentalists.

Exactly and they continue to deny it

We don't see it.

And are you admitting religious fundamentalist are wrong or bad? How are you different from a Fundy?

I see it in you everytime you have a hissy fit in atheist threads.

Which is all the time.

You didn't answer either of my questions.


A. When you say we are "no better" than religious fundamentalists, what is it you don't like about religious fundys?

B. How do you differ from a religious fundamentalist?

Militant atheists like yourself are no better than religious fundamentalists because you are religious fundamentalists.

What's wrong with religious fundamentalists?

 

[sealybobo]

Where did you get all this? I have values and morality beyond mortal pleasures. Except abortion there's not much difference between what you and I believe. Maybe that's because it's common sense.

Jews used to not be allowed to eat shrimp. Today they can eat shrimp. I guess they do whatever makes them feel good too even though their God specifically said don't eat shrimp.

No. You don't. You have relative values which are subject to change. Those aren't values. Those are conveniences. You keep making silly littel fringe arguments which have no bearing on the subject. Shrimp? Really? Shrimp? When you can tell me that you believe it is wrong to end a human life, let me know, Ok? Then I'll change my opinion on your lack of values.

Besides abortion give me another example of how your religion makes your values different than mine. Did you wait to be married before you had sex? Did you divorce? Ever cheat? Lie? Steal? These are all things I know are wrong but many Christians do these things

Did your moral values evolve in isolation?

That is a deep question with significant implications.

Pop culture atheists apparently believe that systems of morality evolve independently without historic or cultural influence.

Remember when Christians could own slaves?

 

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No. You don't. You have relative values which are subject to change. Those aren't values. Those are conveniences. You keep making silly littel fringe arguments which have no bearing on the subject. Shrimp? Really? Shrimp? When you can tell me that you believe it is wrong to end a human life, let me know, Ok? Then I'll change my opinion on your lack of values.

So... You believe it wrong to end a human life? Period, full stop? Sure you want to make such a definitive statement? Because, if so, it will take about 2 seconds for me to demonstrate that you are either a moron, or a liar.

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Yes, I believe it is wrong to end a human life at all times. Please proceed. It's not like I have not already thought this through.

Right, then. So, it is your position that war is wrong under any, and all circumstances? Really? Killing Osama Bin Laden was wrong? Really?

Yep. Killing is wrong but we will still do it. No need to justify that it was right. It is possible for honest men to do dishonest things and still be honest men. It is possible for moral men to do immoral things and still be moral men. It is only through rationalization that moral men become immoral. If you killed someone who was raping your wife you would feel two things; you would feel relief for helping your wife and you would feel remorse for killing a man. If you didn't, you should question what kind of man you are. It is rationalization which leads men to continue to do evil. If we stop the rationalizing then our behaviors change and we would all be moral and have no need for killing.

So the moral thing for America, and the American president to do in 1941 would have been to do nothing, and allow Hitler to take over Europe, and continue his genocide of Jews? Really? That would have been moral?

The moral thing would have been to not rationalize that it was a moral thing. Why? Because it gets easier and easier the more one does so. Admit that what you are doing is not moral and that you knowingly choose to do it anyway is the better of the two options. That is the highest standard.

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

No. You don't. You have relative values which are subject to change. Those aren't values. Those are conveniences. You keep making silly littel fringe arguments which have no bearing on the subject. Shrimp? Really? Shrimp? When you can tell me that you believe it is wrong to end a human life, let me know, Ok? Then I'll change my opinion on your lack of values.

Besides abortion give me another example of how your religion makes your values different than mine. Did you wait to be married before you had sex? Did you divorce? Ever cheat? Lie? Steal? These are all things I know are wrong but many Christians do these things

Did your moral values evolve in isolation?

That is a deep question with significant implications.

Pop culture atheists apparently believe that systems of morality evolve independently without historic or cultural influence.

Remember when Christians could own slaves?

As opposed to what?

 

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Exactly and they continue to deny it

We don't see it.

And are you admitting religious fundamentalist are wrong or bad? How are you different from a Fundy?

I see it in you everytime you have a hissy fit in atheist threads.

Which is all the time.

You didn't answer either of my questions.


A. When you say we are "no better" than religious fundamentalists, what is it you don't like about religious fundys?

B. How do you differ from a religious fundamentalist?

Militant atheists like yourself are no better than religious fundamentalists because you are religious fundamentalists.

What's wrong with religious fundamentalists?

They act like you.

 

[sealybobo]

Actually, I have many, many better things to do. You make my point for me. What you are promising is reduced to a simple formula: "Just accept that God exists with no evidence whatsoever, and God will 'reveal' himself to you". It is the same promise that was given by every preacher I heard as a child, and every teacher I listened to in seminary.

Well, guess what? I spent 20 years ignoring logic, and reason, and never did I find a single shred of objective evidence of the existence of God. Did I, at times, feel good? Yes. Did good things happen that I could claim God did? Sure. But, you see, that's the scam, isn't it?

When I get a good grade on an assignment, thank God, because God led me to that grade, right? Let's just ignore all of the effort, and hours of studying that I put in to achieve that grade. It was God's will that I get that grade. And if I get a bad grade? Well...that's just me being tested. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with my not taking the time to prepare, right?

That's the problem with your promise of "evidence". It's an empty promise. It's a promise of feeling, and emotion, not of actual objective evidence. It's a promise of confirmation bias, where, because I insist that God exists, then everything I see, I find a way to make fit with my preconceived assumptions.

Sorry. I will not be convinced that way. I will never believe in God, absent evidence; you are going to have to show me evidence of the existence of God. I do not work on faith; I work on what I observe.

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No, whatever preacher influenced you as a child told you to just believe. Thats not what I am suggesting.

I am not saying for you to just believe in God and then you will feel good. I am not suggesting that you must join a religion or accept the existence of God without any evidence. That would be a scam.

Obviously your mind has been affected by your experiences with religion. You say you will never believe in God absent of evidence. I wouldn't either. You say you work on what you observe but then dismiss my suggestion to purify your thoughts you might actually be capable of observing evidence of God.


As a scientist would you conduct an experiment to determine the truth of something without first sterilizing and calibrating the instruments that will be used to test the theory and measure the results?

Can a scientist rely on any conclusion based on what was seen through a filthy lens?


Purify your mind and you will see God, not as a figment of an unrestrained imagination but as a living being whose existence is absolute.

Define the process of purifying thoughts?

Or do you define it accepting god then your thoughts will be pure?

Picture your consciousness as a vast ocean with all sorts of thoughts swimming around like fish beneath the surface.

Take a great net and throw it into that sea and catch every thought in that net and drag it to the shore. Then methodically keep the good thoughts like fish in a bucket and throw the worthless ones away.


It will take time, but when you are done, your mind will work like a brand new computer restored to its intended capabilities swept clean of every bug and malware that has been keeping you blind.

Then you will not only become a creature capable of perceiving the living God like Jesus who said, I am only doing what I see God doing, but when you look back in time you will see that evidence of God has already been presented to you for your entire life.

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I meditate daily have for years.
I can quiet my mind and drop my heart rate by 10 BPM in a good session

I do not see god. I do not hear god.
You want to believe and for those that don't you just think their minds are in chaos

I didn't say anything about quieting your mind,I said purify your thoughts.

Many times when two people are standing on a street corner and witness an accident they see two entirely different things,one might not even see a thing..

Yes, what is seen or not seen has everything to do with the state of mind of the witness.

Yes I had a friend who survived a crash and he saw an angel. The angel said "look out"

 

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What I won't do, or can't do, is believe something I don't believe. I can't make that leap of faith because I want to. That's wishful thinking.

We are investigating every word you put forward. Are you unhappy because we aren't buying it like you did? Sorry

If you are an atheist then you are making a claim you can't back up. No amount of grandstanding can change it.

But then theists like ding get mad when we admit that and say we are agnostic atheists.

And if you are a theist you are making a claim you can't back up. True or not?

I don't get mad at anything you do, say or think. There is nothing in this world that you can do to me to harm me. I am the only one who has that power. I could not be happier for you to experience the predictable surprises your behavior will bring. Seriously. I also don't rationalize that I am wrong for being happy about it. I know that is wrong of me. But then again, I also know that you won't change your ways until you reach rock bottom. That is human nature.

 

[sealybobo]

Might have been more interesting if he could even begin to examine his own thought processes.

I know, he seems to be set in the position that unless God reveals himself on CNN or can be examined under a microscope in a laboratory he must not exist..

Pretty stupid for someone who likes to think that he is smarter than everyone else.

I know. How stupid to expect evidence to accept the existence of a thing. Now, excuse me while I ride off on my pink unicorn, to go have lunch with queen of the fairies, and the Bandersnatch, with Harry, Hermoine, and Ron.

If you want evidence of God you have to become a creature capable of perceiving God. The way is clear. Follow the instruction given in the law knowing that the words are figurative, the subjects hidden. Its easy. You probably are already doing much of it naturally. Do this, don't do that. Don't bow down and worship the work of human hands. Do not speak falsely in the name of God. Do not mislead others through religious deception. Do not eat the vile and contaminating teaching of unclean creatures that do not ruminate, think deeply. Do not mix dairy with meat meaning do not mix what is taught to sustain children with what is taught to adults who have teeth., etc., How hard is that?

Cleanse your thoughts. Purify your consciousness, what the ancients called the soul, and be refined, then diligently stand guard over the purity of your own mind for the rest of your days. Would you have a problem with that?

Do it and God will make himself known to you and you will have far more evidence than you can handle... If you apply an additional effort, you might even see the kingdom of God in power and find out what eternal life is before you die... .

You have something better to do?

Than waste my time searching for a god that no one can find scientific evidence of? Yeah I have plenty of better things to do

But we do have evidence. What He created can be used as evidence. You keep confusing proof for evidence. Clearly. if at a later date you meet God, He will point to what He created as evidence for His existence, right? Your problem is that you don't accept this evidence as proof, but you keep illogically believing that there can be no evidence. If you start with the belief that everything is connected to reach a goal or serve a purpose, then you must evaluate everything as evidence before a finding of fact (i.e. proof) can be made. You are intellectually dead because you make no effort to do so. You just dismiss it all.

Because it's not evidence. It's all dismissible.

If I was a judge and you a DA ID ask you for more evidence.

You say, "he did it your honor here's the gun that was used", but was that my gun? My fingerprints on it? Do I know the victim? My DNA? Any witnesses? Did ii confess? Catch me on camera? No!

But you say to the judge, " yea but look your honor here is the gun!"

 

[ding]

Where did you get all this? I have values and morality beyond mortal pleasures. Except abortion there's not much difference between what you and I believe. Maybe that's because it's common sense.

Jews used to not be allowed to eat shrimp. Today they can eat shrimp. I guess they do whatever makes them feel good too even though their God specifically said don't eat shrimp.

No. You don't. You have relative values which are subject to change. Those aren't values. Those are conveniences. You keep making silly littel fringe arguments which have no bearing on the subject. Shrimp? Really? Shrimp? When you can tell me that you believe it is wrong to end a human life, let me know, Ok? Then I'll change my opinion on your lack of values.

Besides abortion give me another example of how your religion makes your values different than mine. Did you wait to be married before you had sex? Did you divorce? Ever cheat? Lie? Steal? These are all things I know are wrong but many Christians do these things

Did your moral values evolve in isolation?

That is a deep question with significant implications.

What's the point? That I was raised in a religious society? So we're the Taliban so what's the point?

Given what you just wrote, I'm pretty sure the point would be beyond your grasp and it would be a waste of time to explain it to you.

 

[BreezeWood]

Where did you get all this? I have values and morality beyond mortal pleasures. Except abortion there's not much difference between what you and I believe. Maybe that's because it's common sense.

Jews used to not be allowed to eat shrimp. Today they can eat shrimp. I guess they do whatever makes them feel good too even though their God specifically said don't eat shrimp.

No. You don't. You have relative values which are subject to change. Those aren't values. Those are conveniences. You keep making silly littel fringe arguments which have no bearing on the subject. Shrimp? Really? Shrimp? When you can tell me that you believe it is wrong to end a human life, let me know, Ok? Then I'll change my opinion on your lack of values.

Besides abortion give me another example of how your religion makes your values different than mine. Did you wait to be married before you had sex? Did you divorce? Ever cheat? Lie? Steal? These are all things I know are wrong but many Christians do these things

Did your moral values evolve in isolation?

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Did your moral values evolve in isolation?

I look forward to the day when science can answer this question: What happened on the Tuesday before the big bang?

Did your moral values evolve in isolation?


it does seem yours have ... between the covers of a book.

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Feel free to elaborate Socrates.

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Feel free to elaborate Socrates.

Are Atheists able to use rational thought, deductive reasoning, and scrupulous logic to substantiate and legitimize their perceptions? Or are they simply lacking a perception that most people experience without the need for rationalization? Are they spiritually dumb?

what fault is different between the two, especially the book readers ... Spiritual atheist being the dumb.

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I know, he seems to be set in the position that unless God reveals himself on CNN or can be examined under a microscope in a laboratory he must not exist..

Pretty stupid for someone who likes to think that he is smarter than everyone else.

I know. How stupid to expect evidence to accept the existence of a thing. Now, excuse me while I ride off on my pink unicorn, to go have lunch with queen of the fairies, and the Bandersnatch, with Harry, Hermoine, and Ron.

If you want evidence of God you have to become a creature capable of perceiving God. The way is clear. Follow the instruction given in the law knowing that the words are figurative, the subjects hidden. Its easy. You probably are already doing much of it naturally. Do this, don't do that. Don't bow down and worship the work of human hands. Do not speak falsely in the name of God. Do not mislead others through religious deception. Do not eat the vile and contaminating teaching of unclean creatures that do not ruminate, think deeply. Do not mix dairy with meat meaning do not mix what is taught to sustain children with what is taught to adults who have teeth., etc., How hard is that?

Cleanse your thoughts. Purify your consciousness, what the ancients called the soul, and be refined, then diligently stand guard over the purity of your own mind for the rest of your days. Would you have a problem with that?

Do it and God will make himself known to you and you will have far more evidence than you can handle... If you apply an additional effort, you might even see the kingdom of God in power and find out what eternal life is before you die... .

You have something better to do?

Than waste my time searching for a god that no one can find scientific evidence of? Yeah I have plenty of better things to do

But we do have evidence. What He created can be used as evidence. You keep confusing proof for evidence. Clearly. if at a later date you meet God, He will point to what He created as evidence for His existence, right? Your problem is that you don't accept this evidence as proof, but you keep illogically believing that there can be no evidence. If you start with the belief that everything is connected to reach a goal or serve a purpose, then you must evaluate everything as evidence before a finding of fact (i.e. proof) can be made. You are intellectually dead because you make no effort to do so. You just dismiss it all.

Because it's not evidence. It's all dismissible.

If I was a judge and you a DA ID ask you for more evidence.

You say, "he did it your honor here's the gun that was used", but was that my gun? My fingerprints on it? Do I know the victim? My DNA? Any witnesses? Did ii confess? Catch me on camera? No!

But you say to the judge, " yea but look your honor here is the gun!"

You did not follow the logic of the condition. If you had you would have recognized the condition which was established. Then it would have made more sense to you and you wouldn't have wasted your time writing a response that made no sense.

 

[sealybobo]

What I won't do, or can't do, is believe something I don't believe. I can't make that leap of faith because I want to. That's wishful thinking.

We are investigating every word you put forward. Are you unhappy because we aren't buying it like you did? Sorry

If you are an atheist then you are making a claim you can't back up. No amount of grandstanding can change it.

But then theists like ding get mad when we admit that and say we are agnostic atheists.

And if you are a theist you are making a claim you can't back up. True or not?

I don't get mad at anything you do, say or think. There is nothing in this world that you can do to me to harm me. I am the only one who has that power. I could not be happier for you to experience the predictable surprises your behavior will bring. Seriously. I also don't rationalize that I am wrong for being happy about it. I know that is wrong of me. But then again, I also know that you won't change your ways until you reach rock bottom. That is human nature.

I can't wait to see you in heaven so I can tell you I told you so that belief didn't matter. Just be a good person. And don't judge lest ye be judged hallelujah

Or when I see you in hell where bin ladin and his boys are raping us for eternity and I can say "holy shit they were right"

 

[sealybobo]

Where did you get all this? I have values and morality beyond mortal pleasures. Except abortion there's not much difference between what you and I believe. Maybe that's because it's common sense.

Jews used to not be allowed to eat shrimp. Today they can eat shrimp. I guess they do whatever makes them feel good too even though their God specifically said don't eat shrimp.

No. You don't. You have relative values which are subject to change. Those aren't values. Those are conveniences. You keep making silly littel fringe arguments which have no bearing on the subject. Shrimp? Really? Shrimp? When you can tell me that you believe it is wrong to end a human life, let me know, Ok? Then I'll change my opinion on your lack of values.

Besides abortion give me another example of how your religion makes your values different than mine. Did you wait to be married before you had sex? Did you divorce? Ever cheat? Lie? Steal? These are all things I know are wrong but many Christians do these things

Did your moral values evolve in isolation?

That is a deep question with significant implications.

Pop culture atheists apparently believe that systems of morality evolve independently without historic or cultural influence.

Are they anything like lipstick liberals?

Sorry I don't believe your ancient religion or the 999 other ones and I don't believe in ghosts or fortune tellers either. Do you?

 

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What I won't do, or can't do, is believe something I don't believe. I can't make that leap of faith because I want to. That's wishful thinking.

We are investigating every word you put forward. Are you unhappy because we aren't buying it like you did? Sorry

If you are an atheist then you are making a claim you can't back up. No amount of grandstanding can change it.

But then theists like ding get mad when we admit that and say we are agnostic atheists.

And if you are a theist you are making a claim you can't back up. True or not?

I don't get mad at anything you do, say or think. There is nothing in this world that you can do to me to harm me. I am the only one who has that power. I could not be happier for you to experience the predictable surprises your behavior will bring. Seriously. I also don't rationalize that I am wrong for being happy about it. I know that is wrong of me. But then again, I also know that you won't change your ways until you reach rock bottom. That is human nature.

I can't wait to see you in heaven so I can tell you I told you so that belief didn't matter. Just be a good person. And don't judge lest ye be judged hallelujah

Or when I see you in hell where bin ladin and his boys are raping us for eternity and I can say "holy shit they were right"

You don't believe in heaven.

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

No. You don't. You have relative values which are subject to change. Those aren't values. Those are conveniences. You keep making silly littel fringe arguments which have no bearing on the subject. Shrimp? Really? Shrimp? When you can tell me that you believe it is wrong to end a human life, let me know, Ok? Then I'll change my opinion on your lack of values.

Besides abortion give me another example of how your religion makes your values different than mine. Did you wait to be married before you had sex? Did you divorce? Ever cheat? Lie? Steal? These are all things I know are wrong but many Christians do these things

Did your moral values evolve in isolation?

That is a deep question with significant implications.

Pop culture atheists apparently believe that systems of morality evolve independently without historic or cultural influence.

Are they anything like lipstick liberals?

Sorry I don't believe your ancient religion or the 999 other ones and I don't believe in ghosts or fortune tellers either. Do you?

I haven't said what I believe or don't believe. That isn't the point. The point is that Atheism as a philosophy represents no actual evolution or advancement of thought itself. Humanity has more information to work with and thus more knowledge than it did when Bronze Age religions were formed. However, there exists no evidence of any kind to suggest that humans are any smarter than they were tens of thousands of years ago. Thought patterns and processes that determine human behavior haven't changed. People are no more or less intelligent overall. Small wonder that people naturally continue to believe that the most recent discoveries and revelations are always correct and true.