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Opinion.
YES
It is my opinion (and the opinion of many others) that Ms. Bachmann is a crazy bitch.
Apparantly that is not good enough. You have to have a piece of paper from her head doctor proving this "fact". Opinions, no matter how obvious, are not good enough for this idiot.
I like to ask people who are heterosexual, who claim sexuality is a choice, if it was a difficult choice for them when they chose the opposite sex.It matters to the right wing.
If they can prove it's a "choice", they think that gives them an "out" from their nasty, disgusting bigotry.
Even if homosexuality is a choice, I don't see that it matters. Christianity is a choice. Smoking cigarettes is a choice. Wearing a swimsuit in winter or wearing a jacket in summer is a choice.
Opinion.
YES
It is my opinion (and the opinion of many others) that Ms. Bachmann is a crazy bitch.
Apparantly that is not good enough. You have to have a piece of paper from her head doctor proving this "fact". Opinions, no matter how obvious, are not good enough for this idiot.
I figured out something here. You are either the dumbest person here or the hackiest. Seriously. Please, please, please deal with the matter at hand here.
Face the hypocrisy of THIS threads topic. Can you do that? This is a serious question, can you respond to this by addressing the OP.
Can you? If not, again, I say you are the dumbest person in here or the hackiest. good luck.
Can you ? And you are the last person to be calling anyone a hack. You contributed opinion, and emotion. no facts.
Fact is, I asked a question. Please try to keep up with the "facts". Thanks.
I wasn't giving permission, simply saying I don't give a shit what you do...and I sure as he'll don't support harmful therapies to rid you of your religious delusions.
My first impression was correct. Gay and an atheist.
And you could not be more wrong...
Emotion, opinion, no facts.
Emotion, opinion, no facts.
Dangerous
Student recounts painful conversion therapy, abuse
The Dangers of Conversion Therapy
Vowing to Set the World Straight; Proponents of Reparative Therapy Say They Can Help Gay Patients Become Heterosexual. Experts Call That a Prescription for Harm
Position Statement of the America Psychiatric Association
The 'Sissy Boy' Experiment: Why Gender-Related Cases Call for Scientists' Humility
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-irAT0viF0"]Part One - The Sissy Box Experiment[/ame]
Largely Unsuccessful
From the available data, four studies reported a "success" rate during conversion therapy of 0.4%, 0.0%, 0.5 and 0.04%. That is, conversion therapy has a failure rate in excess of 99.5% during each study. Considering the anecdotal data which indicates a large percentage of extremely depressed and suicidal clients emerging from conversion therapy, it would appear that this form of therapy is worthless. It my well result in the death by suicide of more gays and lesbians than it "converts" to a heterosexual orientation. Unfortunately, we cannot be certain of this. The quality of the studies is extremely poor.
Jack Drescher is a New York psychiatrist and chairperson of the American Psychiatric Association's committee on gay, lesbian and bisexual issues told a Washington Post reporter in 2005: "There are probably a small number of people with some flexibility in their sexual identity who can change. Out of the hundreds of gay men I've treated, I've had one." If we assume that his term "sexual identity" is a synonym for "sexual orientation," and that Dr. Drescher has treated 200 gay men, then he would seem to estimate that about 99.5% of gay men have a fixed sexual orientation, and that only about 0.5% can change their orientation.
Reparative therapy & transformational ministries - Estimates of success rates
Emotion, opinion, no facts.
Dangerous
Student recounts painful conversion therapy, abuse
The Dangers of Conversion Therapy
Vowing to Set the World Straight; Proponents of Reparative Therapy Say They Can Help Gay Patients Become Heterosexual. Experts Call That a Prescription for Harm
Position Statement of the America Psychiatric Association
The 'Sissy Boy' Experiment: Why Gender-Related Cases Call for Scientists' Humility
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-irAT0viF0"]Part One - The Sissy Box Experiment[/ame]
Largely Unsuccessful
From the available data, four studies reported a "success" rate during conversion therapy of 0.4%, 0.0%, 0.5 and 0.04%. That is, conversion therapy has a failure rate in excess of 99.5% during each study. Considering the anecdotal data which indicates a large percentage of extremely depressed and suicidal clients emerging from conversion therapy, it would appear that this form of therapy is worthless. It my well result in the death by suicide of more gays and lesbians than it "converts" to a heterosexual orientation. Unfortunately, we cannot be certain of this. The quality of the studies is extremely poor.
Jack Drescher is a New York psychiatrist and chairperson of the American Psychiatric Association's committee on gay, lesbian and bisexual issues told a Washington Post reporter in 2005: "There are probably a small number of people with some flexibility in their sexual identity who can change. Out of the hundreds of gay men I've treated, I've had one." If we assume that his term "sexual identity" is a synonym for "sexual orientation," and that Dr. Drescher has treated 200 gay men, then he would seem to estimate that about 99.5% of gay men have a fixed sexual orientation, and that only about 0.5% can change their orientation.
Reparative therapy & transformational ministries - Estimates of success rates
Opinion. I can post the opposite from the other side. In this post, scandal was implied. None has been reviled. Try harder.
Look, you authoritarian psycho. We don't just 'ban' things willy nilly because some hysterical idiot screams bloody murder about how she doesn't like it.Dangerous
Student recounts painful conversion therapy, abuse
The Dangers of Conversion Therapy
Vowing to Set the World Straight; Proponents of Reparative Therapy Say They Can Help Gay Patients Become Heterosexual. Experts Call That a Prescription for Harm
Position Statement of the America Psychiatric Association
The 'Sissy Boy' Experiment: Why Gender-Related Cases Call for Scientists' Humility
Part One - The Sissy Box Experiment
Largely Unsuccessful
From the available data, four studies reported a "success" rate during conversion therapy of 0.4%, 0.0%, 0.5 and 0.04%. That is, conversion therapy has a failure rate in excess of 99.5% during each study. Considering the anecdotal data which indicates a large percentage of extremely depressed and suicidal clients emerging from conversion therapy, it would appear that this form of therapy is worthless. It my well result in the death by suicide of more gays and lesbians than it "converts" to a heterosexual orientation. Unfortunately, we cannot be certain of this. The quality of the studies is extremely poor.
Jack Drescher is a New York psychiatrist and chairperson of the American Psychiatric Association's committee on gay, lesbian and bisexual issues told a Washington Post reporter in 2005: "There are probably a small number of people with some flexibility in their sexual identity who can change. Out of the hundreds of gay men I've treated, I've had one." If we assume that his term "sexual identity" is a synonym for "sexual orientation," and that Dr. Drescher has treated 200 gay men, then he would seem to estimate that about 99.5% of gay men have a fixed sexual orientation, and that only about 0.5% can change their orientation.
Reparative therapy & transformational ministries - Estimates of success rates
Opinion. I can post the opposite from the other side. In this post, scandal was implied. None has been reviled. Try harder.
What is it you are citing as opinion? There are plenty of facts in the links as well as the actual experiences of those that had this dangerous therapy practiced on them. Not to mention there are plenty of additional sources in the provided links. I really can't do ALL the work for you.
In what post, scandal was implied?
I believe I've already stated that it is unlikely that fraud occurred, but I would like to see this dangerous practice banned altogether just as we have other dangerous therapies like shock treatment.
If we can regulate that no Federal funds go towards abortion, I have no problem doing the same for dangerous therapies like those practiced by the Bachmann Clinic.
By all means, provide your information from the "other" side. I'll bet I can counter them with more actual facts. Just an "FYI", there is nothing resembling a peer reviewed study that has ever come out of NARTH
Rekers Resigns from NARTH Following Rentboy Scandal
Statement of Apology by Former Exodus Leaders
Look, you authoritarian psycho. We don't just 'ban' things willy nilly because some hysterical idiot screams bloody murder about how she doesn't like it.
Look, you authoritarian psycho. We don't just 'ban' things willy nilly because some hysterical idiot screams bloody murder about how she doesn't like it.Opinion. I can post the opposite from the other side. In this post, scandal was implied. None has been reviled. Try harder.
What is it you are citing as opinion? There are plenty of facts in the links as well as the actual experiences of those that had this dangerous therapy practiced on them. Not to mention there are plenty of additional sources in the provided links. I really can't do ALL the work for you.
In what post, scandal was implied?
I believe I've already stated that it is unlikely that fraud occurred, but I would like to see this dangerous practice banned altogether just as we have other dangerous therapies like shock treatment.
If we can regulate that no Federal funds go towards abortion, I have no problem doing the same for dangerous therapies like those practiced by the Bachmann Clinic.
By all means, provide your information from the "other" side. I'll bet I can counter them with more actual facts. Just an "FYI", there is nothing resembling a peer reviewed study that has ever come out of NARTH
Rekers Resigns from NARTH Following Rentboy Scandal
Statement of Apology by Former Exodus Leaders
10 and 1/2 min is to long to watch Chris Matthews. Hanity says different should I take his word for it ? Come on man.
Look, you authoritarian psycho. We don't just 'ban' things willy nilly because some hysterical idiot screams bloody murder about how she doesn't like it.What is it you are citing as opinion? There are plenty of facts in the links as well as the actual experiences of those that had this dangerous therapy practiced on them. Not to mention there are plenty of additional sources in the provided links. I really can't do ALL the work for you.
In what post, scandal was implied?
I believe I've already stated that it is unlikely that fraud occurred, but I would like to see this dangerous practice banned altogether just as we have other dangerous therapies like shock treatment.
If we can regulate that no Federal funds go towards abortion, I have no problem doing the same for dangerous therapies like those practiced by the Bachmann Clinic.
By all means, provide your information from the "other" side. I'll bet I can counter them with more actual facts. Just an "FYI", there is nothing resembling a peer reviewed study that has ever come out of NARTH
Rekers Resigns from NARTH Following Rentboy Scandal
Statement of Apology by Former Exodus Leaders
No, but medical treatment that is known to be ineffective and harmful should certainly be banned. As an interesting aside, look up why the procedure "hysterectomy" is called that. Ever wonder why the prefix is "hysteria"? It is certainly a valid medical procedure now, but look at why it was initially preformed.
Other than the American Psychiatric Association and the American Psychological Association condemning this silllyness, what more do we need?
If Bachmann wants to sell this snake oil bullshit, he should be able too. However, he shouldn't be able to do it under the guise of being a Mental Health Professional. He hasn't broke the law, as Minnesota has lax regulations on this. I would hope they would fix that.
Look, you authoritarian psycho. We don't just 'ban' things willy nilly because some hysterical idiot screams bloody murder about how she doesn't like it.
No, but medical treatment that is known to be ineffective and harmful should certainly be banned. As an interesting aside, look up why the procedure "hysterectomy" is called that. Ever wonder why the prefix is "hysteria"? It is certainly a valid medical procedure now, but look at why it was initially preformed.
Other than the American Psychiatric Association and the American Psychological Association condemning this silllyness, what more do we need?
If Bachmann wants to sell this snake oil bullshit, he should be able too. However, he shouldn't be able to do it under the guise of being a Mental Health Professional. He hasn't broke the law, as Minnesota has lax regulations on this. I would hope they would fix that.
Is this procedure banned in any of the 50 states?
No, but medical treatment that is known to be ineffective and harmful should certainly be banned. As an interesting aside, look up why the procedure "hysterectomy" is called that. Ever wonder why the prefix is "hysteria"? It is certainly a valid medical procedure now, but look at why it was initially preformed.
Other than the American Psychiatric Association and the American Psychological Association condemning this silllyness, what more do we need?
If Bachmann wants to sell this snake oil bullshit, he should be able too. However, he shouldn't be able to do it under the guise of being a Mental Health Professional. He hasn't broke the law, as Minnesota has lax regulations on this. I would hope they would fix that.
Is this procedure banned in any of the 50 states?
Which procedure?
Is this procedure banned in any of the 50 states?
Which procedure?
The subject of the thread is pray away the gay or Conversion Therapy.
Bachmanns husband again tied to pray away the gay therapy caught on video | Washington Blade - America's Leading Gay News Source
ABC News has picked up an undercover video from LGBT-activist Wayen Besens TruthWinsOut of a counselor recommending prayer to treat homosexuality last month at the counseling practice of Michele Bachmanns husband Marcus Bachmann.
The Bachmanns have denied patients have been counseled in such ways, but the video and the growing chorus of former patients coming out claiming to have been treated in this manner for their homosexuality by the Bachmann clinic.
In response, the Human Rights Campaignwhich has already endorsed President Barack Obama for re-election in 2012has launched a petition demanding GOP Presidential candidates sign a pledge disavowing dangerous ex-gay therapy, which major American mental-health groups from the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association and more have denounced as extremely harmful to patients.
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