Bad news for America, Worse news for ISIS

[Searcher44]

It looks like an ISIS inspired terror attack. When and if this is confirmed I think it`ll be another nothing-will-be-the-same-again moment for America. Since 9-11 a terrible tension has built between those trying to focus attention on active Salafi-jihadist groups and those who aren`t prepared to make subtle distinctions between this or that strand of Islam. Most of the latter group don`t care to hear about the Sunni-Shia divide for example, their enemy is Islam, period. If President Bush received criticism from the right it was as often as not for his ``Ìslam is a religion of peace`` stance. That opinion never gained much traction with the majority of Americans as far as I can see. A large section of the Republican party and even a significant percentage of Democrats has been open to the demonization of Islam as a whole. A majority of Americans has been willing to see Constitutional safeguards of individuals rights sacrificed to counter threats of attack like this one in San Bernardino.

What now that it`s obvious even invasive laws like the Patriot Act can`t guarantee protection from terror. I`ve seen people call for measures like internment of all Muslims. That`s a chilling reminder of the cruel treatment of the Japanese during WWll.

I really fear this attack, if Islamic Terror, will push America further to what some of us consider ``the dark side``. I don`t know how Obama can quiet the Fox News type calls for retribution against Muslims as a group after this. There`s certainly not going to be much sympathy for Syrian refugees, Americans are going to be a lot less open to ``Islam is a religion of peace`` sentiments than they were.

I think that`s all bad news for America. However I think an attack like this could be even worse news for ISIS. The legend is Admiral Yamamoto said about the attack on Pearl Harbor "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." This San Bernardino mass shooting may silence Islam`s defenders and unleash America`s and a reluctant Obama`s wrath against ISIS. His resolve was demonstrated with his order for Operation Geronimo to go ahead considering the landslide of criticism failure would have brought. Look at the damage President Carter suffered as the result of the disastrous Operation Eagle Claw. Bush`s wrath against bin Laden was distracted by Iraq. I`ve seen no sign that Obama suffers from attention deficit to the same degree. The destruction of ISIS may very well become his prime motivator, I suspect he won`t want to leave office and have his legacy be ISIS at America`s throat. That`s bad news for ISIS.

Does this mean its time to round up the Muslims and gas them? I was hoping to get out before then. We still have to wait for Trump to be elected, right?


You idiots actually think Trump's wall is to keep people out. That's really sad.

Please don`t accuse me of being a Trump supporter.

Trump vs. Hillary - who do you vote for?

If I had a vote it would be for Hillary. Trump has turned into a dangerous lunatic. I used to like him. I think the adulation turned him into a demagogue.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Another terrorist apologist thread.
Nothing in the Constitution requires coddling any religion.
Any reasonable person has a moral obligation to hold any Muslim suspect at this point and no insulated left wing agenda should get in the way of that.
The OP is essentially a politically biased terrorist abettor.
As a Hillary suporter you are a Nixon apologist, too.

 

[Esmeralda]

Another terrorist apologist thread.
Nothing in the Constitution requires coddling any religion.
Any reasonable person has a moral obligation to hold any Muslim suspect at this point and no insulated left wing agenda should get in the way of that.
The OP is essentially a politically biased terrorist abettor.
As a Hillary supporter you are a Nixon apologist, too.

If you were a 'reasonable person,' you would realize how ludicrous it would be for you or anyone to 'hold any Muslim suspect.' That's asinine. There are over 1 and a half BILLION Muslims on this earth. A very tiny, miniscule portion of those are terrorists and need to be feared. Anyone who is capable of thinking logically realizes that.

 

[Meathead]

Another terrorist apologist thread.
Nothing in the Constitution requires coddling any religion.
Any reasonable person has a moral obligation to hold any Muslim suspect at this point and no insulated left wing agenda should get in the way of that.
The OP is essentially a politically biased terrorist abettor.
As a Hillary supporter you are a Nixon apologist, too.

If you were a 'reasonable person,' you would realize how ludicrous it would be for you or anyone to 'hold any Muslim suspect.' That's asinine. There are over 1 and a half BILLION Muslims on this earth. A very tiny, miniscule portion of those are terrorists and need to be feared. Anyone who is capable of thinking logically realizes that.

The queen of ding bat platitudes once again.

 

[idb]

Another terrorist apologist thread.
Nothing in the Constitution requires coddling any religion.
Any reasonable person has a moral obligation to hold any Muslim suspect at this point and no insulated left wing agenda should get in the way of that.
The OP is essentially a politically biased terrorist abettor.
As a Hillary supporter you are a Nixon apologist, too.

If you were a 'reasonable person,' you would realize how ludicrous it would be for you or anyone to 'hold any Muslim suspect.' That's asinine. There are over 1 and a half BILLION Muslims on this earth. A very tiny, miniscule portion of those are terrorists and need to be feared. Anyone who is capable of thinking logically realizes that.

The queen of ding bat platitudes once again.

"Anyone who is capable of thinking logically realizes that."
Don't worry, she wasn't talking about you.

 

[AmericanFirst1]

It looks like an ISIS inspired terror attack. When and if this is confirmed I think it`ll be another nothing-will-be-the-same-again moment for America. Since 9-11 a terrible tension has built between those trying to focus attention on active Salafi-jihadist groups and those who aren`t prepared to make subtle distinctions between this or that strand of Islam. Most of the latter group don`t care to hear about the Sunni-Shia divide for example, their enemy is Islam, period. If President Bush received criticism from the right it was as often as not for his ``Ìslam is a religion of peace`` stance. That opinion never gained much traction with the majority of Americans as far as I can see. A large section of the Republican party and even a significant percentage of Democrats has been open to the demonization of Islam as a whole. A majority of Americans has been willing to see Constitutional safeguards of individuals rights sacrificed to counter threats of attack like this one in San Bernardino.

What now that it`s obvious even invasive laws like the Patriot Act can`t guarantee protection from terror. I`ve seen people call for measures like internment of all Muslims. That`s a chilling reminder of the cruel treatment of the Japanese during WWll.

I really fear this attack, if Islamic Terror, will push America further to what some of us consider ``the dark side``. I don`t know how Obama can quiet the Fox News type calls for retribution against Muslims as a group after this. There`s certainly not going to be much sympathy for Syrian refugees, Americans are going to be a lot less open to ``Islam is a religion of peace`` sentiments than they were.

I think that`s all bad news for America. However I think an attack like this could be even worse news for ISIS. The legend is Admiral Yamamoto said about the attack on Pearl Harbor "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." This San Bernardino mass shooting may silence Islam`s defenders and unleash America`s and a reluctant Obama`s wrath against ISIS. His resolve was demonstrated with his order for Operation Geronimo to go ahead considering the landslide of criticism failure would have brought. Look at the damage President Carter suffered as the result of the disastrous Operation Eagle Claw. Bush`s wrath against bin Laden was distracted by Iraq. I`ve seen no sign that Obama suffers from attention deficit to the same degree. The destruction of ISIS may very well become his prime motivator, I suspect he won`t want to leave office and have his legacy be ISIS at America`s throat. That`s bad news for ISIS.

With all due respect, Searcher...Barry seems "resolved" to blame this on the NRA and the GOP. He was already calling for stricter gun control before the facts in this case were known.

As to where you've seen Obama demonstrate "resolve" for going after ISIS...you'll have to explain that concept because to be quite blunt he's shown more "reluctance" than resolve. Will he be forced to act if this is indeed an ISIS inspired attack? Quite frankly...I don't think he's got the spine for it.

I`m thinking you`re going to be surprised. Sure he`s spent a lot of energy trying to keep America from giving into it`s worst instincts - like avoiding ``bombing the shit`` out of Iran. Gun control for most, not all, liberal-minded is a natural inclination. If guns could have been kept out of the hands of these San Bernardino attackers hands....maybe that`s a fools Utopian dream, maybe not, but it`s one of those fair arguments that define democracy and should be decided ideally at the ballot box.

I'm curious...do you really think passing stricter gun laws will deter someone who is willing to murder dozens of people? How does that work exactly? You WILL take guns out of the hands of people who abide by the law...but that simply makes them defenseless against those that don't. I think you already know that IS a fool's dream, Searcher...yet you still want it to happen?

Did you notice I`m Canadian, we don`t have any right to bear arms here and most of us don`t believe anybody should possess automatic weapons or assault rifles. We are at high risk from ISIS terror and still think that an armed citizen preventing an attack like this is a fools dream also. Neighbors of the attackers observed suspicious activity, middle eastern men active in their garage late at night, moving in suspicious packages, I don`t remember what else. How the hell isn`t this reported and if reported why not acted on. As I`ve said you`ll have to use brains to defeat these people, it appears something stupid happened here. Smarts are a lot better defense than more assault weapons in a population already armed to the teeth. Spending billions capturing useless information about fellow Americans from cyberspace isn`t the answer either.

Then you being Canadian you don't have a dog in the fight concerning America.

 

[Iceweasel]

I`m thinking you`re going to be surprised. Sure he`s spent a lot of energy trying to keep America from giving into it`s worst instincts - like avoiding ``bombing the shit`` out of Iran. Gun control for most, not all, liberal-minded is a natural inclination. If guns could have been kept out of the hands of these San Bernardino attackers hands....maybe that`s a fools Utopian dream, maybe not, but it`s one of those fair arguments that define democracy and should be decided ideally at the ballot box.

Wrong. Dupes should not be able to vote rights away, that's why we have a constitution. So knee jerk reactionaries like obama, or you, cannot strip us of our rights to further their wet dreams.

Did it work in France? If you were attacked would you rather have a gun or no gun? I know what my choice would be, you can exercise your choice but you cannot exercise mine away. Period.

 

[Iceweasel]

Another terrorist apologist thread.
Nothing in the Constitution requires coddling any religion.
Any reasonable person has a moral obligation to hold any Muslim suspect at this point and no insulated left wing agenda should get in the way of that.
The OP is essentially a politically biased terrorist abettor.
As a Hillary supporter you are a Nixon apologist, too.

If you were a 'reasonable person,' you would realize how ludicrous it would be for you or anyone to 'hold any Muslim suspect.' That's asinine. There are over 1 and a half BILLION Muslims on this earth. A very tiny, miniscule portion of those are terrorists and need to be feared. Anyone who is capable of thinking logically realizes that.

Not all Muslims are terrorists but almost all terrorists are Muslims. Where is their reformation? Why do they still hold bronze age values? Why don't they gather up their talking heads and condemn those acting out what their holy book dictates?

 

[strollingbones]

over 6k worth of bombings of syria and it aint changed shit yet.....but more bombings are the answer..

insanity....doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results

 

[mudwhistle]

It looks like an ISIS inspired terror attack. When and if this is confirmed I think it`ll be another nothing-will-be-the-same-again moment for America. Since 9-11 a terrible tension has built between those trying to focus attention on active Salafi-jihadist groups and those who aren`t prepared to make subtle distinctions between this or that strand of Islam. Most of the latter group don`t care to hear about the Sunni-Shia divide for example, their enemy is Islam, period. If President Bush received criticism from the right it was as often as not for his ``Ìslam is a religion of peace`` stance. That opinion never gained much traction with the majority of Americans as far as I can see. A large section of the Republican party and even a significant percentage of Democrats has been open to the demonization of Islam as a whole. A majority of Americans has been willing to see Constitutional safeguards of individuals rights sacrificed to counter threats of attack like this one in San Bernardino.

What now that it`s obvious even invasive laws like the Patriot Act can`t guarantee protection from terror. I`ve seen people call for measures like internment of all Muslims. That`s a chilling reminder of the cruel treatment of the Japanese during WWll.

I really fear this attack, if Islamic Terror, will push America further to what some of us consider ``the dark side``. I don`t know how Obama can quiet the Fox News type calls for retribution against Muslims as a group after this. There`s certainly not going to be much sympathy for Syrian refugees, Americans are going to be a lot less open to ``Islam is a religion of peace`` sentiments than they were.

I think that`s all bad news for America. However I think an attack like this could be even worse news for ISIS. The legend is Admiral Yamamoto said about the attack on Pearl Harbor "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." This San Bernardino mass shooting may silence Islam`s defenders and unleash America`s and a reluctant Obama`s wrath against ISIS. His resolve was demonstrated with his order for Operation Geronimo to go ahead considering the landslide of criticism failure would have brought. Look at the damage President Carter suffered as the result of the disastrous Operation Eagle Claw. Bush`s wrath against bin Laden was distracted by Iraq. I`ve seen no sign that Obama suffers from attention deficit to the same degree. The destruction of ISIS may very well become his prime motivator, I suspect he won`t want to leave office and have his legacy be ISIS at America`s throat. That`s bad news for ISIS.

Obama will never act against ISIS.....even if forced to do so.

He doesn't care enough.

 

[Oldstyle]

It looks like an ISIS inspired terror attack. When and if this is confirmed I think it`ll be another nothing-will-be-the-same-again moment for America. Since 9-11 a terrible tension has built between those trying to focus attention on active Salafi-jihadist groups and those who aren`t prepared to make subtle distinctions between this or that strand of Islam. Most of the latter group don`t care to hear about the Sunni-Shia divide for example, their enemy is Islam, period. If President Bush received criticism from the right it was as often as not for his ``Ìslam is a religion of peace`` stance. That opinion never gained much traction with the majority of Americans as far as I can see. A large section of the Republican party and even a significant percentage of Democrats has been open to the demonization of Islam as a whole. A majority of Americans has been willing to see Constitutional safeguards of individuals rights sacrificed to counter threats of attack like this one in San Bernardino.

What now that it`s obvious even invasive laws like the Patriot Act can`t guarantee protection from terror. I`ve seen people call for measures like internment of all Muslims. That`s a chilling reminder of the cruel treatment of the Japanese during WWll.

I really fear this attack, if Islamic Terror, will push America further to what some of us consider ``the dark side``. I don`t know how Obama can quiet the Fox News type calls for retribution against Muslims as a group after this. There`s certainly not going to be much sympathy for Syrian refugees, Americans are going to be a lot less open to ``Islam is a religion of peace`` sentiments than they were.

I think that`s all bad news for America. However I think an attack like this could be even worse news for ISIS. The legend is Admiral Yamamoto said about the attack on Pearl Harbor "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." This San Bernardino mass shooting may silence Islam`s defenders and unleash America`s and a reluctant Obama`s wrath against ISIS. His resolve was demonstrated with his order for Operation Geronimo to go ahead considering the landslide of criticism failure would have brought. Look at the damage President Carter suffered as the result of the disastrous Operation Eagle Claw. Bush`s wrath against bin Laden was distracted by Iraq. I`ve seen no sign that Obama suffers from attention deficit to the same degree. The destruction of ISIS may very well become his prime motivator, I suspect he won`t want to leave office and have his legacy be ISIS at America`s throat. That`s bad news for ISIS.

With all due respect, Searcher...Barry seems "resolved" to blame this on the NRA and the GOP. He was already calling for stricter gun control before the facts in this case were known.

As to where you've seen Obama demonstrate "resolve" for going after ISIS...you'll have to explain that concept because to be quite blunt he's shown more "reluctance" than resolve. Will he be forced to act if this is indeed an ISIS inspired attack? Quite frankly...I don't think he's got the spine for it.

I`m thinking you`re going to be surprised. Sure he`s spent a lot of energy trying to keep America from giving into it`s worst instincts - like avoiding ``bombing the shit`` out of Iran. Gun control for most, not all, liberal-minded is a natural inclination. If guns could have been kept out of the hands of these San Bernardino attackers hands....maybe that`s a fools Utopian dream, maybe not, but it`s one of those fair arguments that define democracy and should be decided ideally at the ballot box.

I'm curious...do you really think passing stricter gun laws will deter someone who is willing to murder dozens of people? How does that work exactly? You WILL take guns out of the hands of people who abide by the law...but that simply makes them defenseless against those that don't. I think you already know that IS a fool's dream, Searcher...yet you still want it to happen?

Did you notice I`m Canadian, we don`t have any right to bear arms here and most of us don`t believe anybody should possess automatic weapons or assault rifles. We are at high risk from ISIS terror and still think that an armed citizen preventing an attack like this is a fools dream also. Neighbors of the attackers observed suspicious activity, middle eastern men active in their garage late at night, moving in suspicious packages, I don`t remember what else. How the hell isn`t this reported and if reported why not acted on. As I`ve said you`ll have to use brains to defeat these people, it appears something stupid happened here. Smarts are a lot better defense than more assault weapons in a population already armed to the teeth. Spending billions capturing useless information about fellow Americans from cyberspace isn`t the answer either.

You didn't answer my question, Searcher. Do you think that passing stricter gun laws will deter someone who's willing to murder dozens of people from obtaining automatic weapons? France has strict laws against that...so did it prevent the Paris attacks?

 

[tresbigdog]

It looks like an ISIS inspired terror attack. When and if this is confirmed I think it`ll be another nothing-will-be-the-same-again moment for America. Since 9-11 a terrible tension has built between those trying to focus attention on active Salafi-jihadist groups and those who aren`t prepared to make subtle distinctions between this or that strand of Islam. Most of the latter group don`t care to hear about the Sunni-Shia divide for example, their enemy is Islam, period. If President Bush received criticism from the right it was as often as not for his ``Ìslam is a religion of peace`` stance. That opinion never gained much traction with the majority of Americans as far as I can see. A large section of the Republican party and even a significant percentage of Democrats has been open to the demonization of Islam as a whole. A majority of Americans has been willing to see Constitutional safeguards of individuals rights sacrificed to counter threats of attack like this one in San Bernardino.

What now that it`s obvious even invasive laws like the Patriot Act can`t guarantee protection from terror. I`ve seen people call for measures like internment of all Muslims. That`s a chilling reminder of the cruel treatment of the Japanese during WWll.

I really fear this attack, if Islamic Terror, will push America further to what some of us consider ``the dark side``. I don`t know how Obama can quiet the Fox News type calls for retribution against Muslims as a group after this. There`s certainly not going to be much sympathy for Syrian refugees, Americans are going to be a lot less open to ``Islam is a religion of peace`` sentiments than they were.

I think that`s all bad news for America. However I think an attack like this could be even worse news for ISIS. The legend is Admiral Yamamoto said about the attack on Pearl Harbor "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." This San Bernardino mass shooting may silence Islam`s defenders and unleash America`s and a reluctant Obama`s wrath against ISIS. His resolve was demonstrated with his order for Operation Geronimo to go ahead considering the landslide of criticism failure would have brought. Look at the damage President Carter suffered as the result of the disastrous Operation Eagle Claw. Bush`s wrath against bin Laden was distracted by Iraq. I`ve seen no sign that Obama suffers from attention deficit to the same degree. The destruction of ISIS may very well become his prime motivator, I suspect he won`t want to leave office and have his legacy be ISIS at America`s throat. That`s bad news for ISIS.

With all due respect, Searcher...Barry seems "resolved" to blame this on the NRA and the GOP. He was already calling for stricter gun control before the facts in this case were known.

As to where you've seen Obama demonstrate "resolve" for going after ISIS...you'll have to explain that concept because to be quite blunt he's shown more "reluctance" than resolve. Will he be forced to act if this is indeed an ISIS inspired attack? Quite frankly...I don't think he's got the spine for it.

I`m thinking you`re going to be surprised. Sure he`s spent a lot of energy trying to keep America from giving into it`s worst instincts - like avoiding ``bombing the shit`` out of Iran. Gun control for most, not all, liberal-minded is a natural inclination. If guns could have been kept out of the hands of these San Bernardino attackers hands....maybe that`s a fools Utopian dream, maybe not, but it`s one of those fair arguments that define democracy and should be decided ideally at the ballot box.

I'm curious...do you really think passing stricter gun laws will deter someone who is willing to murder dozens of people? How does that work exactly? You WILL take guns out of the hands of people who abide by the law...but that simply makes them defenseless against those that don't. I think you already know that IS a fool's dream, Searcher...yet you still want it to happen?

Im confused, and I hear this all the time. How are stricter gun laws taking guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens? More intensive background checks only delay getting a gun, but it isnt taking the gun out of anyones hands. Ive never understood this, at all.

 

[Iceweasel]

Im confused, and I hear this all the time. How are stricter gun laws taking guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens? More intensive background checks only delay getting a gun, but it isnt taking the gun out of anyones hands. Ive never understood this, at all.

Yes, you are confused. We have had background checks for some time now, when was the last time you bought a gun? How would we have prevented the asshole from buying his guns before he went on his spree?

 

[Oldstyle]

[

I'm curious...do you really think passing stricter gun laws will deter someone who is willing to murder dozens of people? How does that work exactly? You WILL take guns out of the hands of people who abide by the law...but that simply makes them defenseless against those that don't. I think you already know that IS a fool's dream, Searcher...yet you still want it to happen?

It's worked in every western country it has been tried in. Most of Europe, Canada, Australia and NZ have stricter gun controls. They don't have anywhere the number of mass shooting the US does. Not even close. What you really need to do is repeal the 2nd....

Correct me if I'm wrong, Dr. Grump...but don't the UK and France have stricter gun controls? So when terrorists attacked there...the citizenry are totally defenseless and got slaughtered like sheep. Terror groups like ISIS are going to attack Western civilization at it's most vulnerable points.

We've got a mental health issue in the United States. We medicate our young with prescription drugs because they aren't paying attention in school and then can't understand why they're psychotic as adults. That won't be changed by repealing the 2nd Amendment.

 

[Oldstyle]

It looks like an ISIS inspired terror attack. When and if this is confirmed I think it`ll be another nothing-will-be-the-same-again moment for America. Since 9-11 a terrible tension has built between those trying to focus attention on active Salafi-jihadist groups and those who aren`t prepared to make subtle distinctions between this or that strand of Islam. Most of the latter group don`t care to hear about the Sunni-Shia divide for example, their enemy is Islam, period. If President Bush received criticism from the right it was as often as not for his ``Ìslam is a religion of peace`` stance. That opinion never gained much traction with the majority of Americans as far as I can see. A large section of the Republican party and even a significant percentage of Democrats has been open to the demonization of Islam as a whole. A majority of Americans has been willing to see Constitutional safeguards of individuals rights sacrificed to counter threats of attack like this one in San Bernardino.

What now that it`s obvious even invasive laws like the Patriot Act can`t guarantee protection from terror. I`ve seen people call for measures like internment of all Muslims. That`s a chilling reminder of the cruel treatment of the Japanese during WWll.

I really fear this attack, if Islamic Terror, will push America further to what some of us consider ``the dark side``. I don`t know how Obama can quiet the Fox News type calls for retribution against Muslims as a group after this. There`s certainly not going to be much sympathy for Syrian refugees, Americans are going to be a lot less open to ``Islam is a religion of peace`` sentiments than they were.

I think that`s all bad news for America. However I think an attack like this could be even worse news for ISIS. The legend is Admiral Yamamoto said about the attack on Pearl Harbor "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." This San Bernardino mass shooting may silence Islam`s defenders and unleash America`s and a reluctant Obama`s wrath against ISIS. His resolve was demonstrated with his order for Operation Geronimo to go ahead considering the landslide of criticism failure would have brought. Look at the damage President Carter suffered as the result of the disastrous Operation Eagle Claw. Bush`s wrath against bin Laden was distracted by Iraq. I`ve seen no sign that Obama suffers from attention deficit to the same degree. The destruction of ISIS may very well become his prime motivator, I suspect he won`t want to leave office and have his legacy be ISIS at America`s throat. That`s bad news for ISIS.

With all due respect, Searcher...Barry seems "resolved" to blame this on the NRA and the GOP. He was already calling for stricter gun control before the facts in this case were known.

As to where you've seen Obama demonstrate "resolve" for going after ISIS...you'll have to explain that concept because to be quite blunt he's shown more "reluctance" than resolve. Will he be forced to act if this is indeed an ISIS inspired attack? Quite frankly...I don't think he's got the spine for it.

I`m thinking you`re going to be surprised. Sure he`s spent a lot of energy trying to keep America from giving into it`s worst instincts - like avoiding ``bombing the shit`` out of Iran. Gun control for most, not all, liberal-minded is a natural inclination. If guns could have been kept out of the hands of these San Bernardino attackers hands....maybe that`s a fools Utopian dream, maybe not, but it`s one of those fair arguments that define democracy and should be decided ideally at the ballot box.

I'm curious...do you really think passing stricter gun laws will deter someone who is willing to murder dozens of people? How does that work exactly? You WILL take guns out of the hands of people who abide by the law...but that simply makes them defenseless against those that don't. I think you already know that IS a fool's dream, Searcher...yet you still want it to happen?

Im confused, and I hear this all the time. How are stricter gun laws taking guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens? More intensive background checks only delay getting a gun, but it isnt taking the gun out of anyones hands. Ive never understood this, at all.

We don't enforce the laws we have on the books now, Tres...but for some reason you think enacting more laws will be the answer. You've got a city like Chicago...which has arguably the strictest gun control laws in the US...with rampant gun violence. Why? Because strict gun laws only keep guns away from law abiding people.

 

[tigerred59]

It looks like an ISIS inspired terror attack. When and if this is confirmed I think it`ll be another nothing-will-be-the-same-again moment for America. Since 9-11 a terrible tension has built between those trying to focus attention on active Salafi-jihadist groups and those who aren`t prepared to make subtle distinctions between this or that strand of Islam. Most of the latter group don`t care to hear about the Sunni-Shia divide for example, their enemy is Islam, period. If President Bush received criticism from the right it was as often as not for his ``Ìslam is a religion of peace`` stance. That opinion never gained much traction with the majority of Americans as far as I can see. A large section of the Republican party and even a significant percentage of Democrats has been open to the demonization of Islam as a whole. A majority of Americans has been willing to see Constitutional safeguards of individuals rights sacrificed to counter threats of attack like this one in San Bernardino.

What now that it`s obvious even invasive laws like the Patriot Act can`t guarantee protection from terror. I`ve seen people call for measures like internment of all Muslims. That`s a chilling reminder of the cruel treatment of the Japanese during WWll.

I really fear this attack, if Islamic Terror, will push America further to what some of us consider ``the dark side``. I don`t know how Obama can quiet the Fox News type calls for retribution against Muslims as a group after this. There`s certainly not going to be much sympathy for Syrian refugees, Americans are going to be a lot less open to ``Islam is a religion of peace`` sentiments than they were.

I think that`s all bad news for America. However I think an attack like this could be even worse news for ISIS. The legend is Admiral Yamamoto said about the attack on Pearl Harbor "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." This San Bernardino mass shooting may silence Islam`s defenders and unleash America`s and a reluctant Obama`s wrath against ISIS. His resolve was demonstrated with his order for Operation Geronimo to go ahead considering the landslide of criticism failure would have brought. Look at the damage President Carter suffered as the result of the disastrous Operation Eagle Claw. Bush`s wrath against bin Laden was distracted by Iraq. I`ve seen no sign that Obama suffers from attention deficit to the same degree. The destruction of ISIS may very well become his prime motivator, I suspect he won`t want to leave office and have his legacy be ISIS at America`s throat. That`s bad news for ISIS.

....uh, so that white motherfucker that gunned down 21 babies, what the fuck was he, since 9/11??

 

[tigerred59]

two murders happened just a week apart....both murders were based on a belief....why is one a terrorist and the other, just a white guy having a fuckin bad day? Just askin

 

[DigitalDrifter]

How could a JV team be an inspiration ? Let's ask Obama.

 

[Oldstyle]

It looks like an ISIS inspired terror attack. When and if this is confirmed I think it`ll be another nothing-will-be-the-same-again moment for America. Since 9-11 a terrible tension has built between those trying to focus attention on active Salafi-jihadist groups and those who aren`t prepared to make subtle distinctions between this or that strand of Islam. Most of the latter group don`t care to hear about the Sunni-Shia divide for example, their enemy is Islam, period. If President Bush received criticism from the right it was as often as not for his ``Ìslam is a religion of peace`` stance. That opinion never gained much traction with the majority of Americans as far as I can see. A large section of the Republican party and even a significant percentage of Democrats has been open to the demonization of Islam as a whole. A majority of Americans has been willing to see Constitutional safeguards of individuals rights sacrificed to counter threats of attack like this one in San Bernardino.

What now that it`s obvious even invasive laws like the Patriot Act can`t guarantee protection from terror. I`ve seen people call for measures like internment of all Muslims. That`s a chilling reminder of the cruel treatment of the Japanese during WWll.

I really fear this attack, if Islamic Terror, will push America further to what some of us consider ``the dark side``. I don`t know how Obama can quiet the Fox News type calls for retribution against Muslims as a group after this. There`s certainly not going to be much sympathy for Syrian refugees, Americans are going to be a lot less open to ``Islam is a religion of peace`` sentiments than they were.

I think that`s all bad news for America. However I think an attack like this could be even worse news for ISIS. The legend is Admiral Yamamoto said about the attack on Pearl Harbor "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." This San Bernardino mass shooting may silence Islam`s defenders and unleash America`s and a reluctant Obama`s wrath against ISIS. His resolve was demonstrated with his order for Operation Geronimo to go ahead considering the landslide of criticism failure would have brought. Look at the damage President Carter suffered as the result of the disastrous Operation Eagle Claw. Bush`s wrath against bin Laden was distracted by Iraq. I`ve seen no sign that Obama suffers from attention deficit to the same degree. The destruction of ISIS may very well become his prime motivator, I suspect he won`t want to leave office and have his legacy be ISIS at America`s throat. That`s bad news for ISIS.

....uh, so that white motherfucker that gunned down 21 babies, what the fuck was he, since 9/11??

Why don't you go somewhere else and pretend to be black, Tiger? We're having an adult discussion here.

 

[theHawk]

If you think the left will come to their senses, think again. The more terror attacks like this that go down, the more they will support Muslims.

Progressive c_nts share the same goals as Islamists. They want to see Western civilization fall, socially, economically, and militarily. The progressives are finally seeing their wishes come true, you think they will stop now?

Being one of those progressive c_nts you refer to I have to disagree. I have consistently said ISIS along with all Islamic terror groups must be destroyed one way or another. I have more of an appreciation for ``Western Civilisation`` than you do. You could hardly be called civilised. It`s going to take more than American military force to fight ISIS. The fight requires much more, including Europe and Russia and especially non-Salafi Muslims to defeat the ideology that breeds ISIS type terrorists. It`s going to take brains, not just brawn.

I never stated we should use military force to fight ISIS. All we need to do is keep Muslims out of Western countries, keep them contained in the ME. They will kill each other off without any help from us. We have no business in the Sunni versus Shia power struggle.