BALTIMORE PD: First in nation, hires college professor to teach recruits to RETREAT from danger.

[bucs90]

No I didnt. It's exactly what it says.

But....if a Baltimore cop is approaching a dangerous thug like....say....a Michael Brown...why escape? His job is to arrest him. Not run from him.

Baltimore is about to graduate a class of recruits literally being trained to run away from thugs when it gets dangerous.

Thugs are smiling at this news!

Looks like they are being trained to fully assess the situation before they rush in

Yep....and to run away when it looks dangerous.

I hope someday a thug with a gun breaks into your home and is trying to harm you. And a cop is hiding behind a tree...across the street....waiting for lots of backup. Who are all busy on calls. But HEY...at least your attacker won't be unfairly harmed!!

What is wrong with withdrawing if the situation is not safe? Only on TV do cops rush into a shootout

In real life, they call for backup

WHAT??? Are you serious? You're saying...if someone is gunning down kids in a school...cops should wait for backup? Thats what they did at Columbine. And kids died. THAT'S WHAT'S WRONG. I'm sickened that you don't get that.

You say cops dont "rush onto a shootout" that it only happens on TV? WOW. That's flat out wrong. Cops go towards gunfire. Because gunfire means innocent people could be dying.

Virginia Tech.
9/11
Texas terror attacks
LA rampage
North Hollywood rampage
Aurora theater shooting

I can make a massive list of incidents where cops immediately ran into gunfire and/or terror attacks.

I guess you think they should pause and wait for backup. And hey....maybe a liberal professor to advise them on how to handle the situation too.

No cop is expected to give up his life needlessly

Only on TV and movies do cops rush in, guns a blazing, and rescue innocent citizens while they take out the bad guy with one shot

You cannot be serious. That statement is so absurd I'm not sure I can respond.

 

[ClosedCaption]

WHAT??? Are you serious? You're saying...if someone is gunning down kids in a school...cops should wait for backup?

The Story Teller Strikes Again

19 dead kids at Columbine isn't a 'story'. That's real. And thats what happened when Jefferson County Sheriff's deputies responded....and WAITED for backup. And waited. And waited. It was unsafe....ya know?

But the Texas cop....when he saw 2 Muslims jumped out with AK47s at an art gallery....he didn't wait. He dropped them. Immediately. And only the thug terrorists died.

You're right its either your way or pro school shooter shooting innocents in cold blood.

 

[bucs90]

Theres 2 choices.

Bucs way

or

Armageddon and hell fire.

Again.....it's not "my" way. It's one way. The best way. I learned it from others who knew it. Nothing about it is mine. It's tried and true for centuries. In Rome....armed men confronted criminals. It's happened for thousands of years.

 

[ClosedCaption]

The Best way (Bucs way)

Or

Gang rape

 

[bucs90]

WHAT??? Are you serious? You're saying...if someone is gunning down kids in a school...cops should wait for backup?

The Story Teller Strikes Again

19 dead kids at Columbine isn't a 'story'. That's real. And thats what happened when Jefferson County Sheriff's deputies responded....and WAITED for backup. And waited. And waited. It was unsafe....ya know?

But the Texas cop....when he saw 2 Muslims jumped out with AK47s at an art gallery....he didn't wait. He dropped them. Immediately. And only the thug terrorists died.

You're right its either your way or pro school shooter shooting innocents in cold blood.

Well yeah. That's the result of the methods you morons want. It's not debatable. Read the book "Columbine". Jefferson Sheriff's waited...and waited...and backed away....and waited. Meanwhile the killers mocked victims and taunted them as they slaughtered them.

The Best way (Bucs way)

Or

Gang rape

Um...well...yeah its not rocket surgery. Either violent criminals are confronted...or they keep being what they are.

This shit has been going on since the days of the Mayan and Romans. A society has rules. Some don't obey them. That society either confronts them....or coddles them.

 

[Ravi]

I'm not sure why you are trying to make cops look bad. It's quite a change for you.

A cop should ALWAYS be aware of his or her surroundings to minimize loss of life, including his or her own.

To the point of retreating? If a man is walking through downtown waving a gun and making threats...and he walks into a huge office building....should cops aggressively approach and confront? Or....back off and escape? The latter technique actually was the standard...pre 1998. Then Columbine happened and the Jefferson Sherriffs Office was crucified by media about why they didn't "do something sooner".

Now....we are quick to forget. And are going BACK to those tactics huh?

You are simply making things up now. Sometimes a situation can be very dangerous to a cop who may need to have an escape route so he or she can wait for back up.

And no, this wouldn't include some lunatic running around threatening people if lives are in danger.

You make it sound like police are being told to let criminals do as they please. And if only one criminal out there believes you and harms a police officer because of it, you should be in jail.

WOW your last paragraph? Really....from a liberal? Pot meet kettle.


Your first two paragraphs are countering each other.

You say cops need an escape plan for when things are very dangerous.

But then you say this doesn't apply to when people's lives are in danger.

Um...aren't those the same thing???

Cops need a plan to WIN the dangerous situation. Retreating and calling for backup....which often isn't available...should never be the standard plan. But....guess we'll see what happens. Last time police had that standard was April 1998. The day before Columbine. That worked great!!!

A danger to the cop, twit. I'm sure those two cops that were executed in Nevada would have survived if they had been paying attention to their surroundings and knew how to defend themselves, including escaping and waiting for back up.

You mean the two who were ambushed eating lunch? Yeah...retreat from a seating booth while eating and two psychos run up on them?? You're such a retard. Nice job blaming them for their own deaths. You're a disgusting piece of shit ya know?

So cops should retreat and run anytime the incident presents a danger to them? Hmmm. Guess 50% of calls will never be answered now. How about EVERY call gets 5 cops show up just to be safe?

OH WAIT....you liberals like to bitch when multiple cops show up to 1 incident. But now you say if only lots of backup came...cops wouldn't be in danger.

Sometimes I wonder if you libs realize how retarded you sound.

Posts like these is why no one puts any credence into what you say. You just make things up and in the process are telling criminals that cops won't defend themselves. I sincerely hope your karma gets you.

 

[Rotagilla]

Baltimore Police Recruits Receive Cognitive Training | Officer.com

Well....this is a new one. Baltimore Police are now being instructed in their academy by a college professor neuroscience expert who has developed a "better" way for cops to react to danger apparently. It's called "C2"....Cognitive Command. Fancy term for I guess smart policing.

His method? On EVERY call....cops should repeat these 6 words in their head as they begin to encounter a situation:
Breathe
Scan
Cover
Threat
Distance
Escape

So....you breathe and scan as you approach. Ok. That's smart. You look for cover. Yep. Always good have. You SEE A THREAT. Uh oh....now it's getting real. Danger is close.

Next.....distance....and escape.

Um....what? Cops now must escape from dangerous areas and people? Um....who is gonna stop the danger from spreading? If I'm being held hostage....I don't want the cops escaping. I WANT TO BE RESCUED!!


Oh well. This is a new one for me.

Who else would be more qualified to instruct police on procedure than a socialist "college professor"?
No real life experience in the real world, everything is an exercise in theory to them.
Those that can, do. Those that cannot, teach.

 

[bucs90]

To the point of retreating? If a man is walking through downtown waving a gun and making threats...and he walks into a huge office building....should cops aggressively approach and confront? Or....back off and escape? The latter technique actually was the standard...pre 1998. Then Columbine happened and the Jefferson Sherriffs Office was crucified by media about why they didn't "do something sooner".

Now....we are quick to forget. And are going BACK to those tactics huh?

You are simply making things up now. Sometimes a situation can be very dangerous to a cop who may need to have an escape route so he or she can wait for back up.

And no, this wouldn't include some lunatic running around threatening people if lives are in danger.

You make it sound like police are being told to let criminals do as they please. And if only one criminal out there believes you and harms a police officer because of it, you should be in jail.

WOW your last paragraph? Really....from a liberal? Pot meet kettle.


Your first two paragraphs are countering each other.

You say cops need an escape plan for when things are very dangerous.

But then you say this doesn't apply to when people's lives are in danger.

Um...aren't those the same thing???

Cops need a plan to WIN the dangerous situation. Retreating and calling for backup....which often isn't available...should never be the standard plan. But....guess we'll see what happens. Last time police had that standard was April 1998. The day before Columbine. That worked great!!!

A danger to the cop, twit. I'm sure those two cops that were executed in Nevada would have survived if they had been paying attention to their surroundings and knew how to defend themselves, including escaping and waiting for back up.

You mean the two who were ambushed eating lunch? Yeah...retreat from a seating booth while eating and two psychos run up on them?? You're such a retard. Nice job blaming them for their own deaths. You're a disgusting piece of shit ya know?

So cops should retreat and run anytime the incident presents a danger to them? Hmmm. Guess 50% of calls will never be answered now. How about EVERY call gets 5 cops show up just to be safe?

OH WAIT....you liberals like to bitch when multiple cops show up to 1 incident. But now you say if only lots of backup came...cops wouldn't be in danger.

Sometimes I wonder if you libs realize how retarded you sound.

Posts like these is why no one puts any credence into what you say. You just make things up and in the process are telling criminals that cops won't defend themselves. I sincerely hope your karma gets you.

I didnt make anything up. Those 2 officers were ambushed at Cicis eating lunch. And you BLAMED THEM for their own lack of awareness and self defense skills!!? Yeah...if karma is coming....you are first in line.


People like you and ClosedCaption....are the reason we need a police force and military. You morons have no clue about tactics or dangerous people. You have delusions about reality. It's just pathetic really.

 

[bucs90]

Baltimore Police Recruits Receive Cognitive Training | Officer.com

Well....this is a new one. Baltimore Police are now being instructed in their academy by a college professor neuroscience expert who has developed a "better" way for cops to react to danger apparently. It's called "C2"....Cognitive Command. Fancy term for I guess smart policing.

His method? On EVERY call....cops should repeat these 6 words in their head as they begin to encounter a situation:
Breathe
Scan
Cover
Threat
Distance
Escape

So....you breathe and scan as you approach. Ok. That's smart. You look for cover. Yep. Always good have. You SEE A THREAT. Uh oh....now it's getting real. Danger is close.

Next.....distance....and escape.

Um....what? Cops now must escape from dangerous areas and people? Um....who is gonna stop the danger from spreading? If I'm being held hostage....I don't want the cops escaping. I WANT TO BE RESCUED!!


Oh well. This is a new one for me.

Who else would be more qualified to instruct police on procedure than a socialist "college professor"?
No real life experience in the real world, everything is an exercise in theory to them.
Those that can, do. Those that cannot, teach.

Yep.

Take our USMB libs Ravi and ClosedCaption for example.

They say cops SHOULD retreat from danger. Back away. But NOT if people's lives are in danger. Then they should rush in. Maybe. Or maybe not. It all just depends on how the aftermath will make then feel.

Which makes it hard to train cops. Maybe if we use a time machine....go forward a day and see how it plays out....then go back and choose correctly.

Until then....cops should hire a million liberals to monitor their actions via a live stream camera mounted on the cops forehead. The cop will be forbidden from acting until his liberal overseer comments on how the action makes him feel. Yeeeeeeaaaah. That's the solution!

 

[Ravi]

WHAT??? Are you serious? You're saying...if someone is gunning down kids in a school...cops should wait for backup?

The Story Teller Strikes Again

19 dead kids at Columbine isn't a 'story'. That's real. And thats what happened when Jefferson County Sheriff's deputies responded....and WAITED for backup. And waited. And waited. It was unsafe....ya know?

But the Texas cop....when he saw 2 Muslims jumped out with AK47s at an art gallery....he didn't wait. He dropped them. Immediately. And only the thug terrorists died.

They weren't waiting for back up. They were establishing a perimeter. It was a horrible call and your lies don't make it any better.

No one has said the police shouldn't respond to an active shooter except you.

 

[Rotagilla]

Baltimore Police Recruits Receive Cognitive Training | Officer.com

Well....this is a new one. Baltimore Police are now being instructed in their academy by a college professor neuroscience expert who has developed a "better" way for cops to react to danger apparently. It's called "C2"....Cognitive Command. Fancy term for I guess smart policing.

His method? On EVERY call....cops should repeat these 6 words in their head as they begin to encounter a situation:
Breathe
Scan
Cover
Threat
Distance
Escape

So....you breathe and scan as you approach. Ok. That's smart. You look for cover. Yep. Always good have. You SEE A THREAT. Uh oh....now it's getting real. Danger is close.

Next.....distance....and escape.

Um....what? Cops now must escape from dangerous areas and people? Um....who is gonna stop the danger from spreading? If I'm being held hostage....I don't want the cops escaping. I WANT TO BE RESCUED!!


Oh well. This is a new one for me.

Who else would be more qualified to instruct police on procedure than a socialist "college professor"?
No real life experience in the real world, everything is an exercise in theory to them.
Those that can, do. Those that cannot, teach.

Yep.

Take our USMB libs Ravi and ClosedCaption for example.

They say cops SHOULD retreat from danger. Back away. But NOT if people's lives are in danger. Then they should rush in. Maybe. Or maybe not. It all just depends on how the aftermath will make then feel.

those agitators aren't here to present reasonable positions or have adult discussions...they're here to relieve their frustration with their own sad lives.
Let it go.

 

[ClosedCaption]

From the article:

But the Baltimore Police Department -- which has admitted to having a strained relationship with local community after years of controversial stop-and-frisk policing methods, a raft of police brutality claims and the fallout from Freddie Gray's arrest and death from injuries sustained in police custody in April -

Bucs real beef is with the police who cant see that doing things the same way is really a good thing to hold onto. Baltimore shouldnt admit those things. Cop haters maybe?

 

[bucs90]

WHAT??? Are you serious? You're saying...if someone is gunning down kids in a school...cops should wait for backup?

The Story Teller Strikes Again

19 dead kids at Columbine isn't a 'story'. That's real. And thats what happened when Jefferson County Sheriff's deputies responded....and WAITED for backup. And waited. And waited. It was unsafe....ya know?

But the Texas cop....when he saw 2 Muslims jumped out with AK47s at an art gallery....he didn't wait. He dropped them. Immediately. And only the thug terrorists died.

They weren't waiting for back up. They were establishing a perimeter. It was a horrible call and your lies don't make it any better.

No one has said the police shouldn't respond to an active shooter except you.

WRONG. Read the book asshole. Jefferson Co wanted a perimeter set....to WAIT for SWAT. That was protocol. It was "too dangerous" so they wait for a larger tactical team. Several members of JCSO SWAT were already there....begging to rush in....and commanders on scene said no...we WAIT.


You use the term "andctivective shooter". That term was created to signal when to stop waiting. Because while waiting...people die.

What about a wife being beaten by her husband? Does her life not matter? Shouldn't the first cop rush in? But that's dangerous and it's not an active shooter.



So liberals would say "Cops shouldn't run in when it's too dangerous they should retreat. UNLESS it's dangerous to others. Then run in. But don't hurt anybody. That's mean. And probably racist."

Ok. I'm starting to see now.

 

[bucs90]

From the article:

But the Baltimore Police Department -- which has admitted to having a strained relationship with local community after years of controversial stop-and-frisk policing methods, a raft of police brutality claims and the fallout from Freddie Gray's arrest and death from injuries sustained in police custody in April -

Bucs real beef is with the police who cant see that doing things the same way is really a good thing to hold onto. Baltimore shouldnt admit those things. Cop haters maybe?

Yeah...it's strained. Show me a community full of violent thugs who love cops??? A city infested with violent thugs who doesn't have conflict with cops....needs to fire all its cops.

 

[Ravi]

You are simply making things up now. Sometimes a situation can be very dangerous to a cop who may need to have an escape route so he or she can wait for back up.

And no, this wouldn't include some lunatic running around threatening people if lives are in danger.

You make it sound like police are being told to let criminals do as they please. And if only one criminal out there believes you and harms a police officer because of it, you should be in jail.

WOW your last paragraph? Really....from a liberal? Pot meet kettle.


Your first two paragraphs are countering each other.

You say cops need an escape plan for when things are very dangerous.

But then you say this doesn't apply to when people's lives are in danger.

Um...aren't those the same thing???

Cops need a plan to WIN the dangerous situation. Retreating and calling for backup....which often isn't available...should never be the standard plan. But....guess we'll see what happens. Last time police had that standard was April 1998. The day before Columbine. That worked great!!!

A danger to the cop, twit. I'm sure those two cops that were executed in Nevada would have survived if they had been paying attention to their surroundings and knew how to defend themselves, including escaping and waiting for back up.

You mean the two who were ambushed eating lunch? Yeah...retreat from a seating booth while eating and two psychos run up on them?? You're such a retard. Nice job blaming them for their own deaths. You're a disgusting piece of shit ya know?

So cops should retreat and run anytime the incident presents a danger to them? Hmmm. Guess 50% of calls will never be answered now. How about EVERY call gets 5 cops show up just to be safe?

OH WAIT....you liberals like to bitch when multiple cops show up to 1 incident. But now you say if only lots of backup came...cops wouldn't be in danger.

Sometimes I wonder if you libs realize how retarded you sound.

Posts like these is why no one puts any credence into what you say. You just make things up and in the process are telling criminals that cops won't defend themselves. I sincerely hope your karma gets you.

I didnt make anything up. Those 2 officers were ambushed at Cicis eating lunch. And you BLAMED THEM for their own lack of awareness and self defense skills!!? Yeah...if karma is coming....you are first in line.


People like you and ClosedCaption....are the reason we need a police force and military. You morons have no clue about tactics or dangerous people. You have delusions about reality. It's just pathetic really.

It wasn't their fault. It is the fault of people like you who think they don't need training.

 

[ClosedCaption]

From the article:

But the Baltimore Police Department -- which has admitted to having a strained relationship with local community after years of controversial stop-and-frisk policing methods, a raft of police brutality claims and the fallout from Freddie Gray's arrest and death from injuries sustained in police custody in April -

Bucs real beef is with the police who cant see that doing things the same way is really a good thing to hold onto. Baltimore shouldnt admit those things. Cop haters maybe?

Yeah...it's strained. Show me a community full of violent thugs who love cops??? A city infested with violent thugs who doesn't have conflict with cops....needs to fire all its cops.

No, the police admitted they have a bad relationship because of THEIR actions. Not anyone elses. You should call them and tell them to man up.

 

[Meathead]

Yeah, cops are at fault for the murder and crime in Baltimore. It has nothing to do with thugs.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Yeah, cops are at fault for the murder and crime in Baltimore. It has nothing to do with thugs.

Tell them they didnt do nothing and stop being hard on themselves then.

 

[bucs90]

WOW your last paragraph? Really....from a liberal? Pot meet kettle.


Your first two paragraphs are countering each other.

You say cops need an escape plan for when things are very dangerous.

But then you say this doesn't apply to when people's lives are in danger.

Um...aren't those the same thing???

Cops need a plan to WIN the dangerous situation. Retreating and calling for backup....which often isn't available...should never be the standard plan. But....guess we'll see what happens. Last time police had that standard was April 1998. The day before Columbine. That worked great!!!

A danger to the cop, twit. I'm sure those two cops that were executed in Nevada would have survived if they had been paying attention to their surroundings and knew how to defend themselves, including escaping and waiting for back up.

You mean the two who were ambushed eating lunch? Yeah...retreat from a seating booth while eating and two psychos run up on them?? You're such a retard. Nice job blaming them for their own deaths. You're a disgusting piece of shit ya know?

So cops should retreat and run anytime the incident presents a danger to them? Hmmm. Guess 50% of calls will never be answered now. How about EVERY call gets 5 cops show up just to be safe?

OH WAIT....you liberals like to bitch when multiple cops show up to 1 incident. But now you say if only lots of backup came...cops wouldn't be in danger.

Sometimes I wonder if you libs realize how retarded you sound.

Posts like these is why no one puts any credence into what you say. You just make things up and in the process are telling criminals that cops won't defend themselves. I sincerely hope your karma gets you.

I didnt make anything up. Those 2 officers were ambushed at Cicis eating lunch. And you BLAMED THEM for their own lack of awareness and self defense skills!!? Yeah...if karma is coming....you are first in line.


People like you and ClosedCaption....are the reason we need a police force and military. You morons have no clue about tactics or dangerous people. You have delusions about reality. It's just pathetic really.

It wasn't their fault. It is the fault of people like you who think they don't need training.

Huh? I have always advocated for more training and more intense training. What training can we give cops so that when they are at lunch taking a bite of pizza that they can avoid someone sneaking up behind them and shooting them???? I know....stay in the car. Stop loitering among people. But yall would bitch about that too.

 

[bucs90]

From the article:

But the Baltimore Police Department -- which has admitted to having a strained relationship with local community after years of controversial stop-and-frisk policing methods, a raft of police brutality claims and the fallout from Freddie Gray's arrest and death from injuries sustained in police custody in April -

Bucs real beef is with the police who cant see that doing things the same way is really a good thing to hold onto. Baltimore shouldnt admit those things. Cop haters maybe?

Yeah...it's strained. Show me a community full of violent thugs who love cops??? A city infested with violent thugs who doesn't have conflict with cops....needs to fire all its cops.

No, the police admitted they have a bad relationship because of THEIR actions. Not anyone elses. You should call them and tell them to man up.

The police did? Or the police chief and mayor? Big difference.