buttercup
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Trying to prove what a self proclaimed divine authority actually said doesn't need any other sources to verify it?
That's not what we're trying to do here!
It's not about trying to "prove" it, I was just asking you address and respond to the words, on their own, regardless of who said it.
Why is that so hard for you? You are making everything far more difficult than it is.
How about this. Since you clearly have a bizarre problem with the bible, let's do something different. How about if I say something similar, in my own words, and then you can address what I said, OK? That way we can skip all this wasted time talking about sources.
Here we go....
Creation itself testifies to the existence of God. Things like the DNA, the human mind, the amazing variety, beauty and complexity of creation....do not just put themselves together on their own by dumb luck. So, people look at nature, and intuitively understand that something higher than us exists.
Ok, now, instead of going on and on about the source, and wanting more than one source, can you simply address the point being made? I'm not saying you have to agree, or "prove it", simply address it!
Again only with religion would this be an argument.
And you are trying to prove the very existence of the god that said these things. So unless I stipulate that the god of the bible actually exists, and I don't, the statements need verification from another source.
No! Again, I wasn't trying to "prove" God by that one point. I was simply answering YOUR question about whether or not people can believe in God before being exposed to any religion.
I answered your question, and you have yet to even address that point, other than to deflect deflect deflect.
And all that says is you judge people by their actions and those actions are the window to their character.
Unlike you I do not believe a murderer can be a "good" person in the aggregate.
I do not think a serial fraudster can be a good person as long as he does one more good deed than the number of times he defrauded people
And a tree doesn't produce a "bad" fruit or a "good fruit" it jut does what it does.
People on the other hand CHOOSE their behaviors so the comparison there is lacking.
WHAT? What on earth are you talking about?? I never ever ever ever ever ever ever said, thought or implied that a murderer could be a good person.
I don't know how on earth you arrived at that absurd conclusion based on ANYTHING I said. I mean again, it's like you're living in another galaxy when it comes to communication and understanding here.
How about this. Instead of putting words in my mouth, which is not cool at all.... why don't you pinpoint specifically what I said that caused you to come up with that absurd takeaway? Maybe we can reverse engineer how you extrapolated that out of anything I said. Then we can go from there. OK?