Bennet & Portman bipartisan bill directs DOJ to place all the proceeds taken from the liquidation of Russian assets into a Ukrainian relief fund

[Big Bend Texas]

Another example, no evidence of a crime at all.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Another example

 

[struth]

It isn't seized for evidence in these cases, there's no arrest, no charge, no probable cause or even reasonable suspicion of the individuals committing a crime.

really? cops are just walking up to people and seizing their cash.

well call someone that’s robbery.

 

[struth]

Another example, no evidence of a crime at all.

the video is conflating civil forfeiture and a sezuire

 

[Big Bend Texas]

really? cops are just walking up to people and seizing their cash.

well call someone that’s robbery.

Yes it's done frequently and it's almost impossible to recover their money because in civil forfeiture cases the gov't never has to prove you committed a crime.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

the video is conflating civil forfeiture and a sezuire

Their cash is being seized with no crime, no probable cause, arrest or charge, much less a conviction.

 

[struth]

He wasn't arrested or cited for anything, they just seized his cash with no warrant like they do thousands of times every year during traffic stops.

they don’t have to arrest the person on the spot to seize evidence…nor do they have to cite someone for the reason for the traffic stop

you are confusing merely seizure with forfeiture. They are two different things

 

[Big Bend Texas]

they don’t have to arrest the person on the spot to seize evidence…nor do they have to cite someone for the reason for the traffic stop

you are confusing merely seizure with forfeiture. They are two different things

It isn't being seized as evidence in these cases, it's simply being taken without any arrest, charge, probable cause or arrest much less a conviction.

The bar in these cases is simply that they think the cash or property taken may be related to a crime.

 

[struth]

Yes it's done frequently and it's almost impossible to recover their money because in civil forfeiture cases the gov't never has to prove you committed a crime.

no, it’s not

again you are confusing seizure and forfeiture

in a forfeiture case they don’t have to prove you committed a crime, but they do have to prove by a civil standard (cause it’s a civil case) that the property is fruits of criminal activity (due process)

 

[struth]

It isn't being seized as evidence in these cases, it's simply being taken without any arrest, charge, probable cause or arrest much less a conviction.

The bar in these cases is simply that they think the cash or property taken may be related to a crime.

the video says it was taken as evidence

 

[Big Bend Texas]

no, it’s not

again you are confusing seizure and forfeiture

in a forfeiture case they don’t have to prove you committed a crime, but they do have to prove by a civil standard (cause it’s a civil case) that the property is fruits of criminal activity (due process)

No, the bar is merely a 51% likelihood that the money or property is tied to criminal activity and it can cost you far more than the value of the assets to recover them in court.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

the video says it was taken as evidence

Evidence in what crime? Following too closely?

 

[excalibur]

Statutes​

• Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA), PL 115-44
• Ukraine Freedom Support Act of 2014 (UFSA)
• Support for the Sovereignty, Integrity, Democracy, and Economic Stability of Ukraine Act of 2014 (SSIDES)
• International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), 50 U.S.C. §§ 1701-1706
• National Emergencies Act (NEA), 50 U.S.C. §§ 1601-1651

LOL We and the EU set up a coup against the duly and democratically elected President of Ukraine in 2014. Spare me the bullshit.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

LOL We and the EU set up a coup against the duly and democratically elected President of Ukraine in 2014. Spare me the bullshit.

Bullshit, he betrayed his people and was lawfully removed from office by an almost unanimous vote of the legislature.

 

[excalibur]

Bullshit, he betrayed his people and was lawfully removed from office by an almost unanimous vote of the legislature.

It was a coup brought to you by the USA and the EU. And we see how this has developed since.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

It was a coup brought to you by the USA and the EU. And we see how this has developed since.

That is an utter impossibility.

He screwed "The People" by rejecting the EU and siding instead with Russia in direct opposition to his platform.

He was lawfully and justifiably removed by an almost unanimous vote of parliament and new elections were held.

 

[AZrailwhale]

This should be included to get the aid funds moving asap to Ukraine.


Russia can contest it in international court but they probably should have consider all that prior to starting a mass bombing and murder campaign on Ukraine and its people.

That would be tough since the USA doesn’t recognize the authority of the international courts.

 

[RodISHI]

LOL We and the EU set up a coup against the duly and democratically elected President of Ukraine in 2014. Spare me the bullshit.

I won't spare you diddly squat because obviously the truth is not in you. Our CIA guys admitted to being there but were not involved in Russia shooting peaceful protestors or organizing the protest. Those protest were organic and the younger crowd tells their story not some Putin communist lackey's version trying to mitigate Putin's atrocities like you have posted.

Ukraine: The children's camp that became an execution ground

Hold Muscovy and pootler personally accountable. Make them compensate those they victimized and the families of those they killed!! Since Russian forces were pushed back from Kyiv at the end of March, the bodies of more than 1,000 civilians have been discovered in the Bucha region - many...

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[excalibur]

I won't spare you diddly squat because obviously the truth is not in you. Our CIA guys admitted to being there but were not involved in Russia shooting peaceful protestors or organizing the protest. Those protest were organic and the younger crowd tells their story not some Putin communist lackey's version trying to mitigate Putin's atrocities like you have posted.

None are so blind as those who refuse to see.

 

[RodISHI]

None are so blind as those who refuse to see.

You are obviously blinded in that sin you carry on top of being a communist terrorist lackey.