koshergrl
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And China and Cambodia.The Communists did the same thing in Soviet Russia.
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And China and Cambodia.The Communists did the same thing in Soviet Russia.
No I am not. I am addressing what you said.They have a responsibility to the security of their campus and students, that is correct. However, there are many ways to address these concerns. They, and apparently you, have decided to simply silence speech rather than beef up security and/or put local law enforcement on notice that there could be security issues.Really? You cannot see how I took what you said and expanded it out to its logical conclusion? Do you not comprehend what goes on about you at all?What did I say in my post? WHAT DID I SAY IN MY POST?
You are justifying the Universities shutting down fee speech under the auspices of 'security concerns'. So I logically took that notion and expanded it out to a strategy (which is what this is on the left, a strategy to silence dissenting opinion) that can be used by anyone to silence speech they do not wish to hear.
I said that universities have the right to act in accordance with their security interests.
Do you disagree with that?
This is a strategy by the leftwing faculty of these Universities. It can be seen by the fact that they do not provide the restrictions to leftwing speakers that they do to speakers on the right.
So, the best way to put an end to this practice and allow free speech to reign once again. How does this get accomplished? By forcing the Universities to act under the same security concerns for leftwing speakers. Force the University to cancel leftwing speakers (the same way they cancel rightwing speakers) until the point that the University is required to provide security for ALL speakers.
Then it is no longer an issue.
No you are lying about what I said. That's why I told you to read my post.
Face it. The concern of security for the university and the students is a tactic being employed by the Universities and the progressive student body to silence speech they do not like.
Knowing full well that the University will not require of them the same standard of security for their own venues and speakers, they seek to silence the right through intimidation, fiscal repression and sanctioned censorship of events on the ground.
It has reached the point where only the use of the same tactic will garner any reasonable response.
All of this could be avoided by the Universities if they simply extend the same security effort for both parties, regardless of speaker.
That is if they (or you) value freedom of speech and the free exchange of ideas.
And China and Cambodia.The Communists did the same thing in Soviet Russia.
Let's see the long list of biologists invited to speak at Bob Jones University (hilarious in itself to call that a university) on the facts of evolution.
I posted before, Bob Jones University says in the student handbook that students are not to criticize professors/staff on social media, or otherwise publicly.
That's your conservative version of free speech.
David Frum is a cuck.Public broadcasting...Talk about delusional....Rightwing propaganda floods this country out of every form of media and all the RWnuts can do is complain about being silenced.
Goddam funny.
Hey, you tell me. Where in all the forms of media do you RWnuts NOT have a voice?
You must not listen to NPR. The 2-hour interview with David Frum, Bush's speechwriter. It was quite fascinating.
You are comparing private colleges with public ones.Let's see the long list of biologists invited to speak at Bob Jones University (hilarious in itself to call that a university) on the facts of evolution.
I posted before, Bob Jones University says in the student handbook that students are not to criticize professors/staff on social media, or otherwise publicly.
That's your conservative version of free speech.
I didn't know that and I would bet many of these 'religious colleges' have similar rules.
So, you then approve the tactic and agree that if it silences speech you do not like, it's a-ok with you.No I am not. I am addressing what you said.They have a responsibility to the security of their campus and students, that is correct. However, there are many ways to address these concerns. They, and apparently you, have decided to simply silence speech rather than beef up security and/or put local law enforcement on notice that there could be security issues.Really? You cannot see how I took what you said and expanded it out to its logical conclusion? Do you not comprehend what goes on about you at all?
You are justifying the Universities shutting down fee speech under the auspices of 'security concerns'. So I logically took that notion and expanded it out to a strategy (which is what this is on the left, a strategy to silence dissenting opinion) that can be used by anyone to silence speech they do not wish to hear.
I said that universities have the right to act in accordance with their security interests.
Do you disagree with that?
This is a strategy by the leftwing faculty of these Universities. It can be seen by the fact that they do not provide the restrictions to leftwing speakers that they do to speakers on the right.
So, the best way to put an end to this practice and allow free speech to reign once again. How does this get accomplished? By forcing the Universities to act under the same security concerns for leftwing speakers. Force the University to cancel leftwing speakers (the same way they cancel rightwing speakers) until the point that the University is required to provide security for ALL speakers.
Then it is no longer an issue.
No you are lying about what I said. That's why I told you to read my post.
Face it. The concern of security for the university and the students is a tactic being employed by the Universities and the progressive student body to silence speech they do not like.
Knowing full well that the University will not require of them the same standard of security for their own venues and speakers, they seek to silence the right through intimidation, fiscal repression and sanctioned censorship of events on the ground.
It has reached the point where only the use of the same tactic will garner any reasonable response.
All of this could be avoided by the Universities if they simply extend the same security effort for both parties, regardless of speaker.
That is if they (or you) value freedom of speech and the free exchange of ideas.
I believe that students should have the right to be every bit as obnoxious as Coulter. You sow the wind...etc...
Let's see the long list of biologists invited to speak at Bob Jones University (hilarious in itself to call that a university) on the facts of evolution.
I posted before, Bob Jones University says in the student handbook that students are not to criticize professors/staff on social media, or otherwise publicly.
That's your conservative version of free speech.
Bob Jones University (BJU) is a private, non-denominational Protestant university in Greenville, South Carolina, United States, known for its conservative cultural and religious positions. It has approximately 2,800 students, and is accredited by the Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools.
Force the University to cancel leftwing speakers (the same way they cancel rightwing speakers)
Let's see the long list of biologists invited to speak at Bob Jones University (hilarious in itself to call that a university) on the facts of evolution.
I posted before, Bob Jones University says in the student handbook that students are not to criticize professors/staff on social media, or otherwise publicly.
That's your conservative version of free speech.Bob Jones University (BJU) is a private, non-denominational Protestant university in Greenville, South Carolina, United States, known for its conservative cultural and religious positions. It has approximately 2,800 students, and is accredited by the Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools.
Take note. The discussion is in regard to public universities.
If a private liberal college wishes to ban conservative speech on campus, I'm wholly for it. However....public colleges are not permitted that.
You are comparing private colleges with public ones.Let's see the long list of biologists invited to speak at Bob Jones University (hilarious in itself to call that a university) on the facts of evolution.
I posted before, Bob Jones University says in the student handbook that students are not to criticize professors/staff on social media, or otherwise publicly.
That's your conservative version of free speech.
I didn't know that and I would bet many of these 'religious colleges' have similar rules.
You have no argument.
I remember when Bush was the Devil.Public broadcasting...Talk about delusional....Rightwing propaganda floods this country out of every form of media and all the RWnuts can do is complain about being silenced.
Goddam funny.
Hey, you tell me. Where in all the forms of media do you RWnuts NOT have a voice?
You must not listen to NPR. The 2-hour interview with David Frum, Bush's speechwriter. It was quite fascinating.
And China and Cambodia.The Communists did the same thing in Soviet Russia.
And East Germany and Cuba.
Not what we are discussing, but consider this.Force the University to cancel leftwing speakers (the same way they cancel rightwing speakers)
What left wing speakers have students invited that provoke radicals to make violent threats?
Of course, we had problems with it. However, it wasn't Trump telling them to go beat up the protestors, it was him telling them to defend themselves, wasn't it?Cons really get their snowflake feelings hurt when someone shouts them down.
Welcome to the 1st amendment cupcakes. Either practice your oratory or go home. You derps had no problem with your dear leader drumpf telling crowds at his events to beat up on anyone that opposes him and that he would pay their legal fees.
See how that shit bites your ass.