Bernie is just more honest about it.....democrats are already socialists

[justoffal]

Sanders is at least up front about his goals. The DNC and their ilk are far too savvy to expose their actual goals to the voting public. Sanders threatens them because he desires to pull the covers off of the whole operation and he is correct about the status of the Democrats and their corporate backing....the progressive CEO's don't just want Sanders out they want him dead.

The difference between Sanders and his left wing opponents is that Sanders proposes the real brand of socialism that would even touch the wealthy....the DNC likes the idea of socialism as long as it doesn't mess with their own seven and eight figure bank accounts.

Socialism is a part of every functional governance construct. It is inevitable....However there is a big difference between helping those who need help legitimately and creating a machine that teaches people to depend on help even if they don't need to. The latter is the democratic plan to expand their base and seize perpetual power. The problem with the plan is that is not sustainable and never was.....We give you Venezuela as an example. You cannot destroy your tax base, discourage personal responsibility and then multiply the trend by the birth rate....no one can do this unless they are imbued with divine powers and can make a bread basket feed thousands without a baker or a bakery. This is not brain surgery.....

For the Record Karl Marx lived in near poverty....because he practiced what he preached.

JO

 

[martybegan]

Sanders is at least up front about his goals. The DNC and their ilk are far too savvy to expose their actual goals to the voting public. Sanders threatens them because he desires to pull the covers off of the whole operation and he is correct about the status of the Democrats and their corporate backing....the progressive CEO's don't just want Sanders out they want him dead.

The difference between Sanders and his left wing opponents is that Sanders proposes the real brand of socialism that would even touch the wealthy....the DNC likes the idea of socialism as long as it doesn't mess with their own seven and eight figure bank accounts.

Socialism is a part of every functional governance construct. It is inevitable....However there is a big difference between helping those who need help legitimately and creating a machine that teaches people to depend on help even if they don't need to. The latter is the democratic plan to expand their base and seize perpetual power. The problem with the plan is that is not sustainable and never was.....We give you Venezuela as an example.

JO

I would classify them as collectivists. The collective over the individual in almost all cases.

 

[justoffal]

Sanders is at least up front about his goals. The DNC and their ilk are far too savvy to expose their actual goals to the voting public. Sanders threatens them because he desires to pull the covers off of the whole operation and he is correct about the status of the Democrats and their corporate backing....the progressive CEO's don't just want Sanders out they want him dead.

The difference between Sanders and his left wing opponents is that Sanders proposes the real brand of socialism that would even touch the wealthy....the DNC likes the idea of socialism as long as it doesn't mess with their own seven and eight figure bank accounts.

Socialism is a part of every functional governance construct. It is inevitable....However there is a big difference between helping those who need help legitimately and creating a machine that teaches people to depend on help even if they don't need to. The latter is the democratic plan to expand their base and seize perpetual power. The problem with the plan is that is not sustainable and never was.....We give you Venezuela as an example.

JO

I would classify them as collectivists. The collective over the individual in almost all cases.

Yes they desire to collect people under them...as long as they are not collected also.

JO

 

[dblack]

Sanders is at least up front about his goals. The DNC and their ilk are far too savvy to expose their actual goals to the voting public. Sanders threatens them because he desires to pull the covers off of the whole operation and he is correct about the status of the Democrats and their corporate backing....the progressive CEO's don't just want Sanders out they want him dead.

The difference between Sanders and his left wing opponents is that Sanders proposes the real brand of socialism that would even touch the wealthy....the DNC likes the idea of socialism as long as it doesn't mess with their own seven and eight figure bank accounts.

Socialism is a part of every functional governance construct. It is inevitable....However there is a big difference between helping those who need help legitimately and creating a machine that teaches people to depend on help even if they don't need to. The latter is the democratic plan to expand their base and seize perpetual power. The problem with the plan is that is not sustainable and never was.....We give you Venezuela as an example.

JO

I would classify them as collectivists. The collective over the individual in almost all cases.

That covers Trump's nationalism as well.

 

[martybegan]

Sanders is at least up front about his goals. The DNC and their ilk are far too savvy to expose their actual goals to the voting public. Sanders threatens them because he desires to pull the covers off of the whole operation and he is correct about the status of the Democrats and their corporate backing....the progressive CEO's don't just want Sanders out they want him dead.

The difference between Sanders and his left wing opponents is that Sanders proposes the real brand of socialism that would even touch the wealthy....the DNC likes the idea of socialism as long as it doesn't mess with their own seven and eight figure bank accounts.

Socialism is a part of every functional governance construct. It is inevitable....However there is a big difference between helping those who need help legitimately and creating a machine that teaches people to depend on help even if they don't need to. The latter is the democratic plan to expand their base and seize perpetual power. The problem with the plan is that is not sustainable and never was.....We give you Venezuela as an example.

JO

I would classify them as collectivists. The collective over the individual in almost all cases.

Yes they desire to collect people under them...as long as they are not collected also.

JO

The ones that support this always think they will be members of "the party", and thus exempt from most of the rules imposed on the proles.

 

[martybegan]

Sanders is at least up front about his goals. The DNC and their ilk are far too savvy to expose their actual goals to the voting public. Sanders threatens them because he desires to pull the covers off of the whole operation and he is correct about the status of the Democrats and their corporate backing....the progressive CEO's don't just want Sanders out they want him dead.

The difference between Sanders and his left wing opponents is that Sanders proposes the real brand of socialism that would even touch the wealthy....the DNC likes the idea of socialism as long as it doesn't mess with their own seven and eight figure bank accounts.

Socialism is a part of every functional governance construct. It is inevitable....However there is a big difference between helping those who need help legitimately and creating a machine that teaches people to depend on help even if they don't need to. The latter is the democratic plan to expand their base and seize perpetual power. The problem with the plan is that is not sustainable and never was.....We give you Venezuela as an example.

JO

I would classify them as collectivists. The collective over the individual in almost all cases.

That covers Trump's nationalism as well.

How so? Nationalism can be held by collectivists and individualists.

The Soviets were pretty much Russian Nationalists, and collectivists. On the other hand you have the USA USA small government types who are individualists and nationalist as well.

 

[dblack]

Sanders is at least up front about his goals. The DNC and their ilk are far too savvy to expose their actual goals to the voting public. Sanders threatens them because he desires to pull the covers off of the whole operation and he is correct about the status of the Democrats and their corporate backing....the progressive CEO's don't just want Sanders out they want him dead.

The difference between Sanders and his left wing opponents is that Sanders proposes the real brand of socialism that would even touch the wealthy....the DNC likes the idea of socialism as long as it doesn't mess with their own seven and eight figure bank accounts.

Socialism is a part of every functional governance construct. It is inevitable....However there is a big difference between helping those who need help legitimately and creating a machine that teaches people to depend on help even if they don't need to. The latter is the democratic plan to expand their base and seize perpetual power. The problem with the plan is that is not sustainable and never was.....We give you Venezuela as an example.

JO

I would classify them as collectivists. The collective over the individual in almost all cases.

That covers Trump's nationalism as well.

How so? Nationalism can be held by collectivists and individualists.

Individualist nationalism??

USA small government types who are individualists and nationalist as well.

Yes. I've heard of these folks. They are confused.

 

[irosie91]

Sanders is at least up front about his goals. The DNC and their ilk are far too savvy to expose their actual goals to the voting public. Sanders threatens them because he desires to pull the covers off of the whole operation and he is correct about the status of the Democrats and their corporate backing....the progressive CEO's don't just want Sanders out they want him dead.

The difference between Sanders and his left wing opponents is that Sanders proposes the real brand of socialism that would even touch the wealthy....the DNC likes the idea of socialism as long as it doesn't mess with their own seven and eight figure bank accounts.

Socialism is a part of every functional governance construct. It is inevitable....However there is a big difference between helping those who need help legitimately and creating a machine that teaches people to depend on help even if they don't need to. The latter is the democratic plan to expand their base and seize perpetual power. The problem with the plan is that is not sustainable and never was.....We give you Venezuela as an example. You cannot destroy your tax base, discourage personal responsibility and then multiply the trend by the birth rate....no one can do this unless they are imbued with divine powers and can make a bread basket feed thousands without a baker or a bakery. This is not brain surgery.....

For the Record Karl Marx lived in near poverty....because he practiced what he preached.

JO

sorta true------except for the "honest" part and certainly the implication that
he is harmless. Marx did theory-------Sanders was trying to IMPOSE HIS SHIT

 

[justoffal]

Sanders is at least up front about his goals. The DNC and their ilk are far too savvy to expose their actual goals to the voting public. Sanders threatens them because he desires to pull the covers off of the whole operation and he is correct about the status of the Democrats and their corporate backing....the progressive CEO's don't just want Sanders out they want him dead.

The difference between Sanders and his left wing opponents is that Sanders proposes the real brand of socialism that would even touch the wealthy....the DNC likes the idea of socialism as long as it doesn't mess with their own seven and eight figure bank accounts.

Socialism is a part of every functional governance construct. It is inevitable....However there is a big difference between helping those who need help legitimately and creating a machine that teaches people to depend on help even if they don't need to. The latter is the democratic plan to expand their base and seize perpetual power. The problem with the plan is that is not sustainable and never was.....We give you Venezuela as an example.

JO

I would classify them as collectivists. The collective over the individual in almost all cases.

That covers Trump's nationalism as well.

Oh yes? Please explain....because I don't think you can.
so far your statement is just a null talking point inference.
Let's get some meat into that skinny little comment shall we?

JO

 

[martybegan]

Sanders is at least up front about his goals. The DNC and their ilk are far too savvy to expose their actual goals to the voting public. Sanders threatens them because he desires to pull the covers off of the whole operation and he is correct about the status of the Democrats and their corporate backing....the progressive CEO's don't just want Sanders out they want him dead.

The difference between Sanders and his left wing opponents is that Sanders proposes the real brand of socialism that would even touch the wealthy....the DNC likes the idea of socialism as long as it doesn't mess with their own seven and eight figure bank accounts.

Socialism is a part of every functional governance construct. It is inevitable....However there is a big difference between helping those who need help legitimately and creating a machine that teaches people to depend on help even if they don't need to. The latter is the democratic plan to expand their base and seize perpetual power. The problem with the plan is that is not sustainable and never was.....We give you Venezuela as an example.

JO

I would classify them as collectivists. The collective over the individual in almost all cases.

That covers Trump's nationalism as well.

How so? Nationalism can be held by collectivists and individualists.

Individualist nationalism??

USA small government types who are individualists and nationalist as well.

Yes. I've heard of these folks. They are confused.

Nationalism implies pride in ones national identity, it does not imply bending to the will off the collective view of the nation.

 

[justoffal]

Sanders is at least up front about his goals. The DNC and their ilk are far too savvy to expose their actual goals to the voting public. Sanders threatens them because he desires to pull the covers off of the whole operation and he is correct about the status of the Democrats and their corporate backing....the progressive CEO's don't just want Sanders out they want him dead.

The difference between Sanders and his left wing opponents is that Sanders proposes the real brand of socialism that would even touch the wealthy....the DNC likes the idea of socialism as long as it doesn't mess with their own seven and eight figure bank accounts.

Socialism is a part of every functional governance construct. It is inevitable....However there is a big difference between helping those who need help legitimately and creating a machine that teaches people to depend on help even if they don't need to. The latter is the democratic plan to expand their base and seize perpetual power. The problem with the plan is that is not sustainable and never was.....We give you Venezuela as an example. You cannot destroy your tax base, discourage personal responsibility and then multiply the trend by the birth rate....no one can do this unless they are imbued with divine powers and can make a bread basket feed thousands without a baker or a bakery. This is not brain surgery.....

For the Record Karl Marx lived in near poverty....because he practiced what he preached.

JO

sorta true------except for the "honest" part and certainly the implication that
he is harmless. Marx did theory-------Sanders was trying to IMPOSE HIS SHIT

Yeah...Bernie does not live like Karl did....that's for damn sure.

JO

 

[justoffal]

Sanders is at least up front about his goals. The DNC and their ilk are far too savvy to expose their actual goals to the voting public. Sanders threatens them because he desires to pull the covers off of the whole operation and he is correct about the status of the Democrats and their corporate backing....the progressive CEO's don't just want Sanders out they want him dead.

The difference between Sanders and his left wing opponents is that Sanders proposes the real brand of socialism that would even touch the wealthy....the DNC likes the idea of socialism as long as it doesn't mess with their own seven and eight figure bank accounts.

Socialism is a part of every functional governance construct. It is inevitable....However there is a big difference between helping those who need help legitimately and creating a machine that teaches people to depend on help even if they don't need to. The latter is the democratic plan to expand their base and seize perpetual power. The problem with the plan is that is not sustainable and never was.....We give you Venezuela as an example.

JO

I would classify them as collectivists. The collective over the individual in almost all cases.

That covers Trump's nationalism as well.

How so? Nationalism can be held by collectivists and individualists.

Individualist nationalism??

USA small government types who are individualists and nationalist as well.

Yes. I've heard of these folks. They are confused.

Nationalism implies pride in ones national identity, it does not imply bending to the will off the collective view of the nation.

He's an out of tempo instrument with a damaged flute to play in the lefty orchestra....the comment is not well thought out.

JO

 

[dblack]

Sanders is at least up front about his goals. The DNC and their ilk are far too savvy to expose their actual goals to the voting public. Sanders threatens them because he desires to pull the covers off of the whole operation and he is correct about the status of the Democrats and their corporate backing....the progressive CEO's don't just want Sanders out they want him dead.

The difference between Sanders and his left wing opponents is that Sanders proposes the real brand of socialism that would even touch the wealthy....the DNC likes the idea of socialism as long as it doesn't mess with their own seven and eight figure bank accounts.

Socialism is a part of every functional governance construct. It is inevitable....However there is a big difference between helping those who need help legitimately and creating a machine that teaches people to depend on help even if they don't need to. The latter is the democratic plan to expand their base and seize perpetual power. The problem with the plan is that is not sustainable and never was.....We give you Venezuela as an example.

JO

I would classify them as collectivists. The collective over the individual in almost all cases.

That covers Trump's nationalism as well.

How so? Nationalism can be held by collectivists and individualists.

Individualist nationalism??

USA small government types who are individualists and nationalist as well.

Yes. I've heard of these folks. They are confused.

Nationalism implies pride in ones national identity, it does not imply bending to the will off the collective view of the nation.

Ahh... a kinder, gentler nationalism. Nationalism implies a good deal more than pride. It does, in fact and in practice, imply bending the will of the individual to the collective will of the nation. That's sort of the point of the fucking word.

But hey, redefining shit in the middle of an argument is the way we roll here on USMB - so have at it.

 

[justoffal]

Sanders is at least up front about his goals. The DNC and their ilk are far too savvy to expose their actual goals to the voting public. Sanders threatens them because he desires to pull the covers off of the whole operation and he is correct about the status of the Democrats and their corporate backing....the progressive CEO's don't just want Sanders out they want him dead.

The difference between Sanders and his left wing opponents is that Sanders proposes the real brand of socialism that would even touch the wealthy....the DNC likes the idea of socialism as long as it doesn't mess with their own seven and eight figure bank accounts.

Socialism is a part of every functional governance construct. It is inevitable....However there is a big difference between helping those who need help legitimately and creating a machine that teaches people to depend on help even if they don't need to. The latter is the democratic plan to expand their base and seize perpetual power. The problem with the plan is that is not sustainable and never was.....We give you Venezuela as an example.

JO

I would classify them as collectivists. The collective over the individual in almost all cases.

That covers Trump's nationalism as well.

How so? Nationalism can be held by collectivists and individualists.

The Soviets were pretty much Russian Nationalists, and collectivists. On the other hand you have the USA USA small government types who are individualists and nationalist as well.

The USA people are usually the ones that can change a tire and add oil to their engines without calling 911....

JO

 

[martybegan]

I would classify them as collectivists. The collective over the individual in almost all cases.

That covers Trump's nationalism as well.

How so? Nationalism can be held by collectivists and individualists.

Individualist nationalism??

USA small government types who are individualists and nationalist as well.

Yes. I've heard of these folks. They are confused.

Nationalism implies pride in ones national identity, it does not imply bending to the will off the collective view of the nation.

Ahh... a kinder, gentler nationalism. Nationalism implies a good deal more than pride. It does, in fact and in practice, imply bending the will of the individual to the collective will of the nation. That's sort of the point of the fucking word.

But hey, redefining shit in the middle of an argument is the way we roll here on USMB - so have at it.

No, you are exaggerating the definition to suit your needs and views. You are talking about extreme nationalism combined WITH collectivism.

 

[justoffal]

I would classify them as collectivists. The collective over the individual in almost all cases.

That covers Trump's nationalism as well.

How so? Nationalism can be held by collectivists and individualists.

Individualist nationalism??

USA small government types who are individualists and nationalist as well.

Yes. I've heard of these folks. They are confused.

Nationalism implies pride in ones national identity, it does not imply bending to the will off the collective view of the nation.

Ahh... a kinder, gentler nationalism. Nationalism implies a good deal more than pride. It does, in fact and in practice, imply bending the will of the individual to the collective will of the nation. That's sort of the point of the fucking word.

But hey, redefining shit in the middle of an argument is the way we roll here on USMB - so have at it.

Bullshit.....tell me where you refrigerator is UNCLE KARL....is it in your house or is it on the sidewalk in front of your house? If you have it behind a locked door you damn well better have a good reason for it dude.

JO

 

[justoffal]

That covers Trump's nationalism as well.

How so? Nationalism can be held by collectivists and individualists.

Individualist nationalism??

USA small government types who are individualists and nationalist as well.

Yes. I've heard of these folks. They are confused.

Nationalism implies pride in ones national identity, it does not imply bending to the will off the collective view of the nation.

Ahh... a kinder, gentler nationalism. Nationalism implies a good deal more than pride. It does, in fact and in practice, imply bending the will of the individual to the collective will of the nation. That's sort of the point of the fucking word.

But hey, redefining shit in the middle of an argument is the way we roll here on USMB - so have at it.

No, you are exaggerating the definition to suit your needs and views. You are talking about extreme nationalism combined WITH collectivism.

Alinsky lives on in his children.....

JO

 

[dblack]

Bullshit.....tell me where you refrigerator is UNCLE KARL....is it in your house or is it on the sidewalk in front of your house? If you have it behind a locked door you damn well better have a good reason for it dude.

JO

LOL - uh, ok.

 

[justoffal]

Bullshit.....tell me where you refrigerator is UNCLE KARL....is it in your house or is it on the sidewalk in front of your house? If you have it behind a locked door you damn well better have a good reason for it dude.

JO

LOL - uh, ok.

Yeah....that's what I thought.

JO