Betsy DeVos: Common Core is Dead

[Wyatt earp]

Most parents want nothing to do with common core, that’s why it should not be exposed to those parents kids.
That’s why I homeschool… The federal government cannot be trusted with education in anyway whatsoever...

In other words you can't find ONE standard (ELA) that shouldn't be taught in schools.

Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely not for a one size fits all approach-which is why I'd be against any curriculum being adopted on a federal level. However standards are WHAT is taught-not HOW. For example one of my standards is:


CCSS.ELA-LITERACY.W.11-12.1.A
Introduce precise, knowledgeable claim(s), establish the significance of the claim(s), distinguish the claim(s) from alternate or opposing claims, and create an organization that logically sequences claim(s), counterclaims, reasons, and evidence.

This standard states that students in the 11th and 12th grades learn how to write/make an argument, and support it with evidence, commentary, etc.

I don't think anybody would be against every states making sure that students learn this skill above, including yourself.

That is the "what".

The "how" would be teacher assigning different assigns as to what their actual arguments might be. Are they going to argue whether we should keep the electoral college? Have more or less gun control? Whether schools should adopt uniforms?

Common core is absolutely the wrong way to approach education, because the parents want nothing to do with it. Why force something on to other people’s kids?

So you think it's wrong to tell parents that their children should learn how to write/make clear arguments, supported with commentary and evidence?

PS: You keep dodging the question as to which specific ELA standard shouldn't be taught in all schools. I suspect it's because you're unable to do so.

Kids education should be up to the parents and the parents alone. Obviously common core does not cut it...
Education should be just the basics, Common core is all about taking the education out of the parents hands. It’s a very deceptive program… To the uneducated.

How is Common Core deceptive?

Define "basics". Is it just reading and writing?

So do you admit it's not arithmetic?


Like I said or tried to imply it's just word scramble, no right answers as I research it some more

 

[Wyatt earp]

Why take 10 steps to solve the problem when you can do it in a step And half with traditional math... lol

Because traditional math has taught us to memorize without explaining why and how. This is great for arithmetic skills but is bad for reasoning and critical thinking skills.

The fact that many of the folks here didn't know how to make 10 from 8+5 shows they lack simple mathematical reasoning skills. They were just taught to memorize 8+5 and not taught the properties of these numbers through partitioning.

Sounds like a copout

Its sounds like a cop out because you don't understand the new math strategies used. You've been taught math in a very rigid way( due to traditional math).

So it seems silly to you. But common core math actually teaches kids to look at numbers and sums in different ways instead of just memorizing facts.

Unfortunately many parents and teachers in America have a sucky attitude towards math in this country. So when new strategies are introduced, they don't like.

When adults have a poor attitude towards something it will definitely have an impact on the students.

New math is fine if the parents approve of it, But most parents do not approve of common core. So their kids should not be exposed to it whatsoever.
Federal government should have no influence/presence in a kids education

So children shouldn't be exposed to Math strategies that's going to help them with reasoning and critical thinking skills?

You want the government to allow you to keep your kids ignorant?

Seriously step back and use common logic, common core math to me looks like a participation award...

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

In our state all of the failing schools are in the Democrat congressional districts.
Is it the same in your state?

 

[Nia88]

Because traditional math has taught us to memorize without explaining why and how. This is great for arithmetic skills but is bad for reasoning and critical thinking skills.

The fact that many of the folks here didn't know how to make 10 from 8+5 shows they lack simple mathematical reasoning skills. They were just taught to memorize 8+5 and not taught the properties of these numbers through partitioning.

Sounds like a copout

Its sounds like a cop out because you don't understand the new math strategies used. You've been taught math in a very rigid way( due to traditional math).

So it seems silly to you. But common core math actually teaches kids to look at numbers and sums in different ways instead of just memorizing facts.

Unfortunately many parents and teachers in America have a sucky attitude towards math in this country. So when new strategies are introduced, they don't like.

When adults have a poor attitude towards something it will definitely have an impact on the students.

New math is fine if the parents approve of it, But most parents do not approve of common core. So their kids should not be exposed to it whatsoever.
Federal government should have no influence/presence in a kids education

So children shouldn't be exposed to Math strategies that's going to help them with reasoning and critical thinking skills?

You want the government to allow you to keep your kids ignorant?

Common core does not improve most kids education… The opposite is true. The collective does not know what’s best for the individual. fact

I don't care if its common core or another curriculum. My point is the standards are important to have.

I think common core's main problem is the testing. Too many test. I've taught in international schools that have the same standards as common core, but they don't have that many test. They only start serious testing when they reach year 7 ( equivalent to 6th grade).

 

[Rustic]

Why take 10 steps to solve the problem when you can do it in a step And half with traditional math... lol

Because traditional math has taught us to memorize without explaining why and how. This is great for arithmetic skills but is bad for reasoning and critical thinking skills.

The fact that many of the folks here didn't know how to make 10 from 8+5 shows they lack simple mathematical reasoning skills. They were just taught to memorize 8+5 and not taught the properties of these numbers through partitioning.

Sounds like a copout

Its sounds like a cop out because you don't understand the new math strategies used. You've been taught math in a very rigid way( due to traditional math).

So it seems silly to you. But common core math actually teaches kids to look at numbers and sums in different ways instead of just memorizing facts.

Unfortunately many parents and teachers in America have a sucky attitude towards math in this country. So when new strategies are introduced, they don't like.

When adults have a poor attitude towards something it will definitely have an impact on the students.

New math is fine if the parents approve of it, But most parents do not approve of common core. So their kids should not be exposed to it whatsoever.
Federal government should have no influence/presence in a kids education

So children shouldn't be exposed to Math strategies that's going to help them with reasoning and critical thinking skills?

You want the government to allow you to keep your kids ignorant?

 

[Nia88]

Because traditional math has taught us to memorize without explaining why and how. This is great for arithmetic skills but is bad for reasoning and critical thinking skills.

The fact that many of the folks here didn't know how to make 10 from 8+5 shows they lack simple mathematical reasoning skills. They were just taught to memorize 8+5 and not taught the properties of these numbers through partitioning.

Sounds like a copout

Its sounds like a cop out because you don't understand the new math strategies used. You've been taught math in a very rigid way( due to traditional math).

So it seems silly to you. But common core math actually teaches kids to look at numbers and sums in different ways instead of just memorizing facts.

Unfortunately many parents and teachers in America have a sucky attitude towards math in this country. So when new strategies are introduced, they don't like.

When adults have a poor attitude towards something it will definitely have an impact on the students.

New math is fine if the parents approve of it, But most parents do not approve of common core. So their kids should not be exposed to it whatsoever.
Federal government should have no influence/presence in a kids education

So children shouldn't be exposed to Math strategies that's going to help them with reasoning and critical thinking skills?

You want the government to allow you to keep your kids ignorant?

Seriously step back and use common logic, common core math to me looks like a participation award...

It's because you don't understand it. Doesn't make it mumbo jumbo because your mathematical knowledge is limited.

 

[RealDave]

Common Core is standards. It is WHAT you need to know how to do, not how to do it!

Your understanding is where the problem lies.

Bullshit. Common core is a structured one size fits 100 million kids on what to learn and how to learn it.

Common is what to learn, but it is NOT how to learn. That's the role of a curriculum...which Common Core is not.

With all due respect if you don't know the difference between a set of standards and a curriculum...you know next to nothing about education.

Everything about common core is wrong...
For the individual that’s why the collective loves it

Name ONE ELA standard that you don't think should be taught in schools.

English Language Arts Standards | Common Core State Standards Initiative

Most parents want nothing to do with common core, that’s why it should not be exposed to those parents kids.
That’s why I homeschool… The federal government cannot be trusted with education in anyway whatsoever...

i believe it. only a fucking idiot thinks they have what it takes to home school especially if they are too stupid to understand Common Core.

 

[Rustic]

Sounds like a copout

Its sounds like a cop out because you don't understand the new math strategies used. You've been taught math in a very rigid way( due to traditional math).

So it seems silly to you. But common core math actually teaches kids to look at numbers and sums in different ways instead of just memorizing facts.

Unfortunately many parents and teachers in America have a sucky attitude towards math in this country. So when new strategies are introduced, they don't like.

When adults have a poor attitude towards something it will definitely have an impact on the students.

New math is fine if the parents approve of it, But most parents do not approve of common core. So their kids should not be exposed to it whatsoever.
Federal government should have no influence/presence in a kids education

So children shouldn't be exposed to Math strategies that's going to help them with reasoning and critical thinking skills?

You want the government to allow you to keep your kids ignorant?

Common core does not improve most kids education… The opposite is true. The collective does not know what’s best for the individual. fact

I don't care if its common core or another curriculum. My point is the standards are important to have.

I think common core's main problem is the testing. Too many test. I've taught in international schools that have the same standards as common core, but they don't have that many test. They only start serious testing when they reach year 7 ( equivalent to 6th grade).

Common core disregards/ignores parent involvement In their kids education that is its ultimate purpose...

 

[RealDave]

Name ONE ELA standard that you don't think should be taught in schools.

English Language Arts Standards | Common Core State Standards Initiative

Most parents want nothing to do with common core, that’s why it should not be exposed to those parents kids.
That’s why I homeschool… The federal government cannot be trusted with education in anyway whatsoever...

In other words you can't find ONE standard (ELA) that shouldn't be taught in schools.

Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely not for a one size fits all approach-which is why I'd be against any curriculum being adopted on a federal level. However standards are WHAT is taught-not HOW. For example one of my standards is:


CCSS.ELA-LITERACY.W.11-12.1.A
Introduce precise, knowledgeable claim(s), establish the significance of the claim(s), distinguish the claim(s) from alternate or opposing claims, and create an organization that logically sequences claim(s), counterclaims, reasons, and evidence.

This standard states that students in the 11th and 12th grades learn how to write/make an argument, and support it with evidence, commentary, etc.

I don't think anybody would be against every states making sure that students learn this skill above, including yourself.

That is the "what".

The "how" would be teacher assigning different assigns as to what their actual arguments might be. Are they going to argue whether we should keep the electoral college? Have more or less gun control? Whether schools should adopt uniforms?

Common core is absolutely the wrong way to approach education, because the parents want nothing to do with it. Why force something on to other people’s kids?

So you think it's wrong to tell parents that their children should learn how to write/make clear arguments, supported with commentary and evidence?

PS: You keep dodging the question as to which specific ELA standard shouldn't be taught in all schools. I suspect it's because you're unable to do so.

Kids education should be up to the parents and the parents alone. Obviously common core does not cut it...
Education should be just the basics, Common core is all about taking the education out of the parents hands. It’s a very deceptive program… To the uneducated.

with people like you i certainly hope education is not in your hands.

 

[Rustic]

Bullshit. Common core is a structured one size fits 100 million kids on what to learn and how to learn it.

Common is what to learn, but it is NOT how to learn. That's the role of a curriculum...which Common Core is not.

With all due respect if you don't know the difference between a set of standards and a curriculum...you know next to nothing about education.

Everything about common core is wrong...
For the individual that’s why the collective loves it

Name ONE ELA standard that you don't think should be taught in schools.

English Language Arts Standards | Common Core State Standards Initiative

Most parents want nothing to do with common core, that’s why it should not be exposed to those parents kids.
That’s why I homeschool… The federal government cannot be trusted with education in anyway whatsoever...

i believe it. only a fucking idiot thinks they have what it takes to home school especially if they are too stupid to understand Common Core.

 

[RealDave]

Its sounds like a cop out because you don't understand the new math strategies used. You've been taught math in a very rigid way( due to traditional math).

So it seems silly to you. But common core math actually teaches kids to look at numbers and sums in different ways instead of just memorizing facts.

Unfortunately many parents and teachers in America have a sucky attitude towards math in this country. So when new strategies are introduced, they don't like.

When adults have a poor attitude towards something it will definitely have an impact on the students.

New math is fine if the parents approve of it, But most parents do not approve of common core. So their kids should not be exposed to it whatsoever.
Federal government should have no influence/presence in a kids education

So children shouldn't be exposed to Math strategies that's going to help them with reasoning and critical thinking skills?

You want the government to allow you to keep your kids ignorant?

Common core does not improve most kids education… The opposite is true. The collective does not know what’s best for the individual. fact

I don't care if its common core or another curriculum. My point is the standards are important to have.

I think common core's main problem is the testing. Too many test. I've taught in international schools that have the same standards as common core, but they don't have that many test. They only start serious testing when they reach year 7 ( equivalent to 6th grade).

Common core disregards/ignores parent involvementIn their kids education that is its ultimate purpose...

No one is preventing you from becoming better educated.

 

[Rustic]

Most parents want nothing to do with common core, that’s why it should not be exposed to those parents kids.
That’s why I homeschool… The federal government cannot be trusted with education in anyway whatsoever...

In other words you can't find ONE standard (ELA) that shouldn't be taught in schools.

Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely not for a one size fits all approach-which is why I'd be against any curriculum being adopted on a federal level. However standards are WHAT is taught-not HOW. For example one of my standards is:


CCSS.ELA-LITERACY.W.11-12.1.A
Introduce precise, knowledgeable claim(s), establish the significance of the claim(s), distinguish the claim(s) from alternate or opposing claims, and create an organization that logically sequences claim(s), counterclaims, reasons, and evidence.

This standard states that students in the 11th and 12th grades learn how to write/make an argument, and support it with evidence, commentary, etc.

I don't think anybody would be against every states making sure that students learn this skill above, including yourself.

That is the "what".

The "how" would be teacher assigning different assigns as to what their actual arguments might be. Are they going to argue whether we should keep the electoral college? Have more or less gun control? Whether schools should adopt uniforms?

Common core is absolutely the wrong way to approach education, because the parents want nothing to do with it. Why force something on to other people’s kids?

So you think it's wrong to tell parents that their children should learn how to write/make clear arguments, supported with commentary and evidence?

PS: You keep dodging the question as to which specific ELA standard shouldn't be taught in all schools. I suspect it's because you're unable to do so.

Kids education should be up to the parents and the parents alone. Obviously common core does not cut it...
Education should be just the basics, Common core is all about taking the education out of the parents hands. It’s a very deceptive program… To the uneducated.

with people like you i certainly hope education is not in your hands.

Is that the pot calling the kettle black? LOL

 

[Nia88]

Its sounds like a cop out because you don't understand the new math strategies used. You've been taught math in a very rigid way( due to traditional math).

So it seems silly to you. But common core math actually teaches kids to look at numbers and sums in different ways instead of just memorizing facts.

Unfortunately many parents and teachers in America have a sucky attitude towards math in this country. So when new strategies are introduced, they don't like.

When adults have a poor attitude towards something it will definitely have an impact on the students.

New math is fine if the parents approve of it, But most parents do not approve of common core. So their kids should not be exposed to it whatsoever.
Federal government should have no influence/presence in a kids education

So children shouldn't be exposed to Math strategies that's going to help them with reasoning and critical thinking skills?

You want the government to allow you to keep your kids ignorant?

Common core does not improve most kids education… The opposite is true. The collective does not know what’s best for the individual. fact

I don't care if its common core or another curriculum. My point is the standards are important to have.

I think common core's main problem is the testing. Too many test. I've taught in international schools that have the same standards as common core, but they don't have that many test. They only start serious testing when they reach year 7 ( equivalent to 6th grade).

Common core disregards/ignores parent involvementIn their kids education that is its ultimate purpose...

It's a little hard to have parental involvement when parents don't have a clue about education. Many parents in this country don't even hold college degrees.

That's like wanting parental involvement in your kid's surgery. You want to tell the surgeon how to conduct the surgery.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Sounds like a copout

Its sounds like a cop out because you don't understand the new math strategies used. You've been taught math in a very rigid way( due to traditional math).

So it seems silly to you. But common core math actually teaches kids to look at numbers and sums in different ways instead of just memorizing facts.

Unfortunately many parents and teachers in America have a sucky attitude towards math in this country. So when new strategies are introduced, they don't like.

When adults have a poor attitude towards something it will definitely have an impact on the students.

New math is fine if the parents approve of it, But most parents do not approve of common core. So their kids should not be exposed to it whatsoever.
Federal government should have no influence/presence in a kids education

So children shouldn't be exposed to Math strategies that's going to help them with reasoning and critical thinking skills?

You want the government to allow you to keep your kids ignorant?

Seriously step back and use common logic, common core math to me looks like a participation award...

It's because you don't understand it. Doesn't make it mumbo jumbo because your mathematical knowledge is limited.

Oh I understand it perfectly..and never ever say my knowledge is limited...

 

[RealDave]

In other words you can't find ONE standard (ELA) that shouldn't be taught in schools.

Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely not for a one size fits all approach-which is why I'd be against any curriculum being adopted on a federal level. However standards are WHAT is taught-not HOW. For example one of my standards is:


CCSS.ELA-LITERACY.W.11-12.1.A
Introduce precise, knowledgeable claim(s), establish the significance of the claim(s), distinguish the claim(s) from alternate or opposing claims, and create an organization that logically sequences claim(s), counterclaims, reasons, and evidence.

This standard states that students in the 11th and 12th grades learn how to write/make an argument, and support it with evidence, commentary, etc.

I don't think anybody would be against every states making sure that students learn this skill above, including yourself.

That is the "what".

The "how" would be teacher assigning different assigns as to what their actual arguments might be. Are they going to argue whether we should keep the electoral college? Have more or less gun control? Whether schools should adopt uniforms?

Common core is absolutely the wrong way to approach education, because the parents want nothing to do with it. Why force something on to other people’s kids?

So you think it's wrong to tell parents that their children should learn how to write/make clear arguments, supported with commentary and evidence?

PS: You keep dodging the question as to which specific ELA standard shouldn't be taught in all schools. I suspect it's because you're unable to do so.

Kids education should be up to the parents and the parents alone. Obviously common core does not cut it...
Education should be just the basics, Common core is all about taking the education out of the parents hands. It’s a very deceptive program… To the uneducated.

How is Common Core deceptive?

Define "basics". Is it just reading and writing?

So do you admit it's not arithmetic?


Like I said or tried to imply it's just word scramble, no right answers as I research it some more

Common core teaches why. When students know why, they better understand how math applies to other subjects.

 

[Rustic]

New math is fine if the parents approve of it, But most parents do not approve of common core. So their kids should not be exposed to it whatsoever.
Federal government should have no influence/presence in a kids education

So children shouldn't be exposed to Math strategies that's going to help them with reasoning and critical thinking skills?

You want the government to allow you to keep your kids ignorant?

Common core does not improve most kids education… The opposite is true. The collective does not know what’s best for the individual. fact

I don't care if its common core or another curriculum. My point is the standards are important to have.

I think common core's main problem is the testing. Too many test. I've taught in international schools that have the same standards as common core, but they don't have that many test. They only start serious testing when they reach year 7 ( equivalent to 6th grade).

Common core disregards/ignores parent involvementIn their kids education that is its ultimate purpose...

No one is preventing you from becoming better educated.

True, because my kids have no exposure to common core. Lol

 

[SassyIrishLass]

New math is fine if the parents approve of it, But most parents do not approve of common core. So their kids should not be exposed to it whatsoever.
Federal government should have no influence/presence in a kids education

So children shouldn't be exposed to Math strategies that's going to help them with reasoning and critical thinking skills?

You want the government to allow you to keep your kids ignorant?

Common core does not improve most kids education… The opposite is true. The collective does not know what’s best for the individual. fact

I don't care if its common core or another curriculum. My point is the standards are important to have.

I think common core's main problem is the testing. Too many test. I've taught in international schools that have the same standards as common core, but they don't have that many test. They only start serious testing when they reach year 7 ( equivalent to 6th grade).

Common core disregards/ignores parent involvementIn their kids education that is its ultimate purpose...

It's a little hard to have parental involvement when parents don't have a clue about education. Many parents in this country don't even hold college degrees.

That's like wanting parental involvement in your kid's surgery. You want to tell the surgeon how to conduct the surgery.

Any parent with a lick of sense will keep their children far far away from public education. You loons are dangerous

 

[RealDave]

In other words you can't find ONE standard (ELA) that shouldn't be taught in schools.

Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely not for a one size fits all approach-which is why I'd be against any curriculum being adopted on a federal level. However standards are WHAT is taught-not HOW. For example one of my standards is:


CCSS.ELA-LITERACY.W.11-12.1.A
Introduce precise, knowledgeable claim(s), establish the significance of the claim(s), distinguish the claim(s) from alternate or opposing claims, and create an organization that logically sequences claim(s), counterclaims, reasons, and evidence.

This standard states that students in the 11th and 12th grades learn how to write/make an argument, and support it with evidence, commentary, etc.

I don't think anybody would be against every states making sure that students learn this skill above, including yourself.

That is the "what".

The "how" would be teacher assigning different assigns as to what their actual arguments might be. Are they going to argue whether we should keep the electoral college? Have more or less gun control? Whether schools should adopt uniforms?

Common core is absolutely the wrong way to approach education, because the parents want nothing to do with it. Why force something on to other people’s kids?

So you think it's wrong to tell parents that their children should learn how to write/make clear arguments, supported with commentary and evidence?

PS: You keep dodging the question as to which specific ELA standard shouldn't be taught in all schools. I suspect it's because you're unable to do so.

Kids education should be up to the parents and the parents alone. Obviously common core does not cut it...
Education should be just the basics, Common core is all about taking the education out of the parents hands. It’s a very deceptive program… To the uneducated.

with people like you i certainly hope education is not in your hands.

Is that the pot calling the kettle black? LOL

I have teaching certification && a BA & MS in Mathemativcs.

WTF do you have?

 

[RealDave]

So children shouldn't be exposed to Math strategies that's going to help them with reasoning and critical thinking skills?

You want the government to allow you to keep your kids ignorant?

Common core does not improve most kids education… The opposite is true. The collective does not know what’s best for the individual. fact

I don't care if its common core or another curriculum. My point is the standards are important to have.

I think common core's main problem is the testing. Too many test. I've taught in international schools that have the same standards as common core, but they don't have that many test. They only start serious testing when they reach year 7 ( equivalent to 6th grade).

Common core disregards/ignores parent involvementIn their kids education that is its ultimate purpose...

It's a little hard to have parental involvement when parents don't have a clue about education. Many parents in this country don't even hold college degrees.

That's like wanting parental involvement in your kid's surgery. You want to tell the surgeon how to conduct the surgery.

Any parent with a lick of sense will keep their children far far away from public education. You loons are dangerous

Keeping your kids from the truth is child abuse.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Common core is absolutely the wrong way to approach education, because the parents want nothing to do with it. Why force something on to other people’s kids?

So you think it's wrong to tell parents that their children should learn how to write/make clear arguments, supported with commentary and evidence?

PS: You keep dodging the question as to which specific ELA standard shouldn't be taught in all schools. I suspect it's because you're unable to do so.

Kids education should be up to the parents and the parents alone. Obviously common core does not cut it...
Education should be just the basics, Common core is all about taking the education out of the parents hands. It’s a very deceptive program… To the uneducated.

How is Common Core deceptive?

Define "basics". Is it just reading and writing?

So do you admit it's not arithmetic?


Like I said or tried to imply it's just word scramble, no right answers as I research it some more

Common core teaches why. When students know why, they better understand how math applies to other subjects.

That's not arithmetic, that's word scramble