Betsy DeVos: Common Core is Dead

[Rustic]

The problem with common core is that it doesn't work, the theory behind it being "easier" for kids was wrong. It may indeed be better for "some" kids, but it is not better for all, and I'd argue "most" kids. Doing extra steps to dumb everything down to "easy" numbers is no more helpful to "knowing how it works" than simply "knowing" that there are ten ones in ten, using fingers and toes, and so forth. In the end, different methods work for different people, and the "communist" idea attached to common core is because the gov. dictated that it had to be that way or no way - regardless of if that method failed on the kids or not. It didn't encourage alternative methods and in fact started /failing/ kids who got the right answer, simply because they didn't use /that/ method. In the "big picture" it goes against American ingenuity and punishes thinking out of the box, causing many American "freedom lovers" to reject it vehemently. Instead of /listening/ to the people, and children, the "gov" via their supporters and fruit loops, instead hurl's insults "you're just to stupid to understand it" which causes a visceral reaction. That's what you get for insulting everyone simply because they don't agree with you ~shrug~

Learning mathematics is hard for most kids. Learning to think like a mathematician just makes it a lot easier and that is what the common core math standard is all about. For example, kids are often asked to write what something really means. The purpose is to get kids to think about numbers and expressions and what they really mean.
Parents see an exercise such as:
347.392 = 3 × 100 + 4 × 10 + 7 × 1 + 3 × (1/10) + 9 × (1/100) + 2 × (1/1000)
and they say how dumb everybody knows that. They should be teaching my kid how to do long division. However, what the teacher is doing is teaching a kid a to think about what those number really mean. In common core you can see the reason for each standard and thus understand the need.

Since common core is just a standard not a method of teaching, schools with the help of curriculum specialist can design many types of classroom exercises that allow students to explore topics. That is the heart of common core, teaching kids to think, to question, and to explore.

When I was a kid, a long time ago, math was just a chore, memorizing your multiplication tables, a method for division, a method to calculate square root, coverting decimals to fractions, etc. In high school it was more of the same in Algebra, learning methods for solving equations. In college, Integral calculus was learning integration and solving equations. Finally in my senior year and in graduate school I was exposed to real mathematics, number theory, vector calculus, etc and I understood nothing because I was totally unprepared. I could solve equations with no problem but I lacked a real understanding of mathematics. This is what we need to fix. Kids need to be taught how to think in mathematical terms, not just do mathematically operations.

Common core does not work for most kids

 

[Wyatt earp]

If common core was so great, then why did students get worse scores in math after 8 years of it?

The US keeps falling compared to other countries. Common core failed, just like we conservatives said it would.

Do you really want to do what other countries do?

Here's a hint. They don't give vouchers to rich people to pay for private schools that won't accept the riff-raff, which is the conservative solution in this country.

And they don't have lazy ass, greedy American public Unions

 

[JoeB131]

And they don't have lazy ass, greedy American public Unions

I think there are some valid complaints about the teachers' unions. Nut, um, no, European Teachers are unionized, so that isn't the problem.

Part of the problem is Special Ed. an inordinate amount of resources go into 'mainstreaming" kids with disabilities, often to the neglect of students without disabilities. This was a result of how outraged everyone was when they found out that these kids were just being warehoused previously, often in appalling conditions.

This leads to a lot of schools trying to classify little Timmy as "ADHD" so they can get more of those sweet, sweet funds.

 

[initforme]

The biggest blame for all of this should fall on the whiny little uninformed people who cry about more accountability so they blame. everyone and everything while never believing there should be no accountability on the student or parent I call them crybabies. Keep in mind that there was gop assistance in creating the common core.

 

[Wyatt earp]

And they don't have lazy ass, greedy American public Unions

I think there are some valid complaints about the teachers' unions. Nut, um, no, European Teachers are unionized, so that isn't the problem.

Part of the problem is Special Ed. an inordinate amount of resources go into 'mainstreaming" kids with disabilities, often to the neglect of students without disabilities. This was a result of how outraged everyone was when they found out that these kids were just being warehoused previously, often in appalling conditions.

This leads to a lot of schools trying to classify little Timmy as "ADHD" so they can get more of those sweet, sweet funds.

You don't have a clue do you? European Unions and American Unions are complete opposites of each other , to say they are the same shows how much you don't know.


Btw I agree about the ADHD part

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If common core was so great, then why did students get worse scores in math after 8 years of it?

The US keeps falling compared to other countries. Common core failed, just like we conservatives said it would.

There was no 8 years of Common Core. My state was the first to implement it in 2011 and ended it in 2016. That's not 8 years.

Other countries are not overrun with illegals and minorities that lower scores either. There is no fair comparison.

Why do education bashers have to lie?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Intelligent people laugh at Common core, It takes 10 steps to solve the same problem that traditional arithmetic takes a step and a half

Exactly common core math first teaches you the wrong way to solve a problem.

Just because you cannot figure it out doesn't make it wrong. It makes you a dumb ass!

Why take 10 steps to solve the problem when you can do it in a step And half with traditional math... lol

Because traditional math has taught us to memorize without explaining why and how. This is great for arithmetic skills but is bad for reasoning and critical thinking skills.

The fact that many of the folks here didn't know how to make 10 from 8+5 shows they lack simple mathematical reasoning skills. They were just taught to memorize 8+5 and not taught the properties of these numbers through partitioning.

Sounds like a copout

Nope. It just means you are a dumb ass!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The problem with common core is that it doesn't work, the theory behind it being "easier" for kids was wrong. It may indeed be better for "some" kids, but it is not better for all, and I'd argue "most" kids. Doing extra steps to dumb everything down to "easy" numbers is no more helpful to "knowing how it works" than simply "knowing" that there are ten ones in ten, using fingers and toes, and so forth. In the end, different methods work for different people, and the "communist" idea attached to common core is because the gov. dictated that it had to be that way or no way - regardless of if that method failed on the kids or not. It didn't encourage alternative methods and in fact started /failing/ kids who got the right answer, simply because they didn't use /that/ method. In the "big picture" it goes against American ingenuity and punishes thinking out of the box, causing many American "freedom lovers" to reject it vehemently. Instead of /listening/ to the people, and children, the "gov" via their supporters and fruit loops, instead hurl's insults "you're just to stupid to understand it" which causes a visceral reaction. That's what you get for insulting everyone simply because they don't agree with you ~shrug~

Learning mathematics is hard for most kids. Learning to think like a mathematician just makes it a lot easier and that is what the common core math standard is all about. For example, kids are often asked to write what something really means. The purpose is to get kids to think about numbers and expressions and what they really mean.
Parents see an exercise such as:
347.392 = 3 × 100 + 4 × 10 + 7 × 1 + 3 × (1/10) + 9 × (1/100) + 2 × (1/1000)
and they say how dumb everybody knows that. They should be teaching my kid how to do long division. However, what the teacher is doing is teaching a kid a to think about what those number really mean. In common core you can see the reason for each standard and thus understand the need.

Since common core is just a standard not a method of teaching, schools with the help of curriculum specialist can design many types of classroom exercises that allow students to explore topics. That is the heart of common core, teaching kids to think, to question, and to explore.

When I was a kid, a long time ago, math was just a chore, memorizing your multiplication tables, a method for division, a method to calculate square root, coverting decimals to fractions, etc. In high school it was more of the same in Algebra, learning methods for solving equations. In college, Integral calculus was learning integration and solving equations. Finally in my senior year and in graduate school I was exposed to real mathematics, number theory, vector calculus, etc and I understood nothing because I was totally unprepared. I could solve equations with no problem but I lacked a real understanding of mathematics. This is what we need to fix. Kids need to be taught how to think in mathematical terms, not just do mathematically operations.

Common core does not work for most kids

Common Core are standards. Examples have been posted on this thread.

The "how to teach" is not standards. That's curriculum.

If you can't understand that, you are a dumb ass!

 

[RealDave]

Going to take a long time to undo the damage caused by the Obama Error.

Betsy DeVos: Common Core is dead at U.S. Department of Education | Get Schooled

Common Core was NOT an Obama initiate you fucking idiot. Don't blame the program because you are too God Damn stupid to understand it.

Common Core was the result of the Governor's Association looking to improve education.

Your posts prove we need to do that.

 

[JoeB131]

You don't have a clue do you? European Unions and American Unions are complete opposites of each other , to say they are the same shows how much you don't know.

Actually, European Unions are even stronger than American Unions, that's the point you don't seem to get.

 

[Wyatt earp]

You don't have a clue do you? European Unions and American Unions are complete opposites of each other , to say they are the same shows how much you don't know.

Actually, European Unions are even stronger than American Unions, that's the point you don't seem to get.

Because European Unions care about their jobs, the company, the students ...


American Unions are greedy as hell, they care about themselves...we seen it at hostess a few years ago when they didn't care if hostess went out of business , we heard it from a Union boss a few years ago when he said the children mean nothing , power means everything.


Hell I would love a European Union here , I would join up in a heart beat, an American style one? No way in heck I would rather work at Walmart making $7 bucks an hour.

 

[initforme]

The hostess debacle was the result of a poorly run company stiffing its employees for years. Remember if you pretend to pay me I pretend to work. If you want good workers pay them well.

 

[JoeB131]

Because European Unions care about their jobs, the company, the students ...


American Unions are greedy as hell, they care about themselves...we seen it at hostess a few years ago when they didn't care if hostess went out of business , we heard it from a Union boss a few years ago when he said the children mean nothing , power means everything.

Okay, let's look at Hostess. The Unions made lots of concessions, and the management, instead of investing in the company and new equipment, used that money to pay off the venture capital groups that passed the company around like it was a five dollar whore.

Hell I would love a European Union here , I would join up in a heart beat, an American style one? No way in heck I would rather work at Walmart making $7 bucks an hour.

WalMart won't let you drink on the job, buddy.

 

[Rustic]

Because European Unions care about their jobs, the company, the students ...


American Unions are greedy as hell, they care about themselves...we seen it at hostess a few years ago when they didn't care if hostess went out of business , we heard it from a Union boss a few years ago when he said the children mean nothing , power means everything.

Okay, let's look at Hostess. The Unions made lots of concessions, and the management, instead of investing in the company and new equipment, used that money to pay off the venture capital groups that passed the company around like it was a five dollar whore.

Hell I would love a European Union here , I would join up in a heart beat, an American style one? No way in heck I would rather work at Walmart making $7 bucks an hour.

WalMart won't let you drink on the job, buddy.

unions are all about corruption

 

[Rustic]

The problem with common core is that it doesn't work, the theory behind it being "easier" for kids was wrong. It may indeed be better for "some" kids, but it is not better for all, and I'd argue "most" kids. Doing extra steps to dumb everything down to "easy" numbers is no more helpful to "knowing how it works" than simply "knowing" that there are ten ones in ten, using fingers and toes, and so forth. In the end, different methods work for different people, and the "communist" idea attached to common core is because the gov. dictated that it had to be that way or no way - regardless of if that method failed on the kids or not. It didn't encourage alternative methods and in fact started /failing/ kids who got the right answer, simply because they didn't use /that/ method. In the "big picture" it goes against American ingenuity and punishes thinking out of the box, causing many American "freedom lovers" to reject it vehemently. Instead of /listening/ to the people, and children, the "gov" via their supporters and fruit loops, instead hurl's insults "you're just to stupid to understand it" which causes a visceral reaction. That's what you get for insulting everyone simply because they don't agree with you ~shrug~

Learning mathematics is hard for most kids. Learning to think like a mathematician just makes it a lot easier and that is what the common core math standard is all about. For example, kids are often asked to write what something really means. The purpose is to get kids to think about numbers and expressions and what they really mean.
Parents see an exercise such as:
347.392 = 3 × 100 + 4 × 10 + 7 × 1 + 3 × (1/10) + 9 × (1/100) + 2 × (1/1000)
and they say how dumb everybody knows that. They should be teaching my kid how to do long division. However, what the teacher is doing is teaching a kid a to think about what those number really mean. In common core you can see the reason for each standard and thus understand the need.

Since common core is just a standard not a method of teaching, schools with the help of curriculum specialist can design many types of classroom exercises that allow students to explore topics. That is the heart of common core, teaching kids to think, to question, and to explore.

When I was a kid, a long time ago, math was just a chore, memorizing your multiplication tables, a method for division, a method to calculate square root, coverting decimals to fractions, etc. In high school it was more of the same in Algebra, learning methods for solving equations. In college, Integral calculus was learning integration and solving equations. Finally in my senior year and in graduate school I was exposed to real mathematics, number theory, vector calculus, etc and I understood nothing because I was totally unprepared. I could solve equations with no problem but I lacked a real understanding of mathematics. This is what we need to fix. Kids need to be taught how to think in mathematical terms, not just do mathematically operations.

Common core does not work for most kids

Common Core are standards. Examples have been posted on this thread.

The "how to teach" is not standards. That's curriculum.

If you can't understand that, you are a dumb ass!

Common core does not improve anything, that’s why control freaks love it

 

[Wyatt earp]

Because European Unions care about their jobs, the company, the students ...


American Unions are greedy as hell, they care about themselves...we seen it at hostess a few years ago when they didn't care if hostess went out of business , we heard it from a Union boss a few years ago when he said the children mean nothing , power means everything.

Okay, let's look at Hostess. The Unions made lots of concessions, and the management, instead of investing in the company and new equipment, used that money to pay off the venture capital groups that passed the company around like it was a five dollar whore.

Hell I would love a European Union here , I would join up in a heart beat, an American style one? No way in heck I would rather work at Walmart making $7 bucks an hour.

WalMart won't let you drink on the job, buddy.

Prove it?

 

[mgh80]

Going to take a long time to undo the damage caused by the Obama Error.

Betsy DeVos: Common Core is dead at U.S. Department of Education | Get Schooled

First of all your meme is an issue concerning curriculum-NOT a set of standards. Common Core is NOT a curriculum.

Second of all, Common Core is very much still alive.

Finally, here is the Common Core website with a list of the standards that are to be used while teaching content. Find me ONE standard that you think should be taught. Just ONE. I've linked the ELA standards since that's what I'm familiar with.

English Language Arts Standards | Common Core State Standards Initiative

 

[mgh80]

Common core is child abuse

Common Core is standards. It is WHAT you need to know how to do, not how to do it!

Your understanding is where the problem lies.

Bullshit. Common core is a structured one size fits 100 million kids on what to learn and how to learn it.

Common is what to learn, but it is NOT how to learn. That's the role of a curriculum...which Common Core is not.

With all due respect if you don't know the difference between a set of standards and a curriculum...you know next to nothing about education.

 

[Rustic]

Common core is child abuse

Common Core is standards. It is WHAT you need to know how to do, not how to do it!

Your understanding is where the problem lies.

Bullshit. Common core is a structured one size fits 100 million kids on what to learn and how to learn it.

Common is what to learn, but it is NOT how to learn. That's the role of a curriculum...which Common Core is not.

With all due respect if you don't know the difference between a set of standards and a curriculum...you know next to nothing about education.

Everything about common core is wrong...
For the individual that’s why the collective loves it

 

[mgh80]

Common core is child abuse

Common Core is standards. It is WHAT you need to know how to do, not how to do it!

Your understanding is where the problem lies.

Bullshit. Common core is a structured one size fits 100 million kids on what to learn and how to learn it.

Common is what to learn, but it is NOT how to learn. That's the role of a curriculum...which Common Core is not.

With all due respect if you don't know the difference between a set of standards and a curriculum...you know next to nothing about education.

Everything about common core is wrong...
For the individual that’s why the collective loves it

Name ONE ELA standard that you don't think should be taught in schools.

English Language Arts Standards | Common Core State Standards Initiative