Betsy DeVos: Common Core is Dead

[Wyatt earp]

Exactly common core math first teaches you the wrong way to solve a problem.

Just because you cannot figure it out doesn't make it wrong. It makes you a dumb ass!

Why take 10 steps to solve the problem when you can do it in a step And half with traditional math... lol

Let's see you do a 3-digit number minus another 3 digit number your way, and I'll have my grandson do it the way he was taught and he will whip your ass! He is in 4th grade BTW.

Na, Common core is for quitters

Can't do it, huh? Typical know-nothing trying to impress people with the fact that they are a dumb ass and don't care who knows.

All that says to me your scared and I figured you out to be a 22 year old..dude I have been playing this game since 1992 on the internet..your nothing compared to me..

 

[Wyatt earp]

Your baseless accusations are getting tiresome.

You are a dumb ass and refuse to believe you could possibly be wrong, but you have failed to get anything, and I do mean ANYTHING right.

Goodnight and goodbye dumb ass!

Bear513 probably thinks kids should go back to using slide rules.

Why not? I read about a Japanese guy who is faster then a calculator..not slide rules of course..

 

[radical right]

All that says to me your scared and I figured you out to be a 22 year old..dude I have been playing this game since 1992 on the internet..your nothing compared to me..

So why are you getting your talking points from anti common core blogs?

You can't come up with anything on your own?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Your baseless accusations are getting tiresome.

You are a dumb ass and refuse to believe you could possibly be wrong, but you have failed to get anything, and I do mean ANYTHING right.

Goodnight and goodbye dumb ass!

Bear513 probably thinks kids should go back to using slide rules.

Why not? I read about a Japanese guy who is faster then a calculator..not slide rules of course..

This jap was fast using this

 

[Wyatt earp]

All that says to me your scared and I figured you out to be a 22 year old..dude I have been playing this game since 1992 on the internet..your nothing compared to me..

So why are you getting your talking points from anti common core blogs?

You can't come up with anything on your own?

Youre just talking in circles...

 

[Wyatt earp]

All that says to me your scared and I figured you out to be a 22 year old..dude I have been playing this game since 1992 on the internet..your nothing compared to me..

So why are you getting your talking points from anti common core blogs?

You can't come up with anything on your own?

Your just talking in circles...

Get some wisdom will ya?

 

[Ame®icano]

Common core?

 

[radical right]

Your just talking in circles...

Get some wisdom will ya?

As I said, common core questions are often based on the answers to prior questions.

So posting a single question is unanswerable unless you also post the prior question. You didn't post the prior question.

 

[radical right]

Common core?

 

[Ame®icano]

Common core?

 

[radical right]

Common core?

These are examples of the student being smarter than the teacher.

 

[Ame®icano]

Common core?

These are examples of the student being smarter than the teacher.

I'd rather think those are examples of stupid teachers.

 

[Nia88]

Thank God. Another victory for President Trump and America.

The math that kids learn today may seem utterly ridiculous compared to what we learned in math 50 or 60 years years ago. In those days 85% of math instruction was teaching arithmetic. Math today is far more than teaching kids arithmetic. We have computers that can handle all our calculation needs.

Where our kids fall short compared to other countries is there inability to grasp concepts of higher mathematics. The reason for this is elementary instruction in math has not provide kids with the foundation they needed to understand higher math. Kids have passed integral and differential calculus, not because they understood basic laws of mathematics but because they memorizing methods of solving problems similar to what they did when they learned to divide and multiple. The result was they did not understand the basics, and when it came to applying what they learned to real world problems or understanding more advanced mathematical concepts they were lost.

So when your kids come home from school and they can't divide two 3 digit numbers or can't remember all their multiplication tables, don't worry. No one is going to be hiring them to do arithmetic. If they are going into a technical field, they better be able to think like a mathematician and that is what Common Core Math Standards are all about.

The two most important documents in math and science education are Common Core Standards and Next Generation Science Standards.

Intelligent people laugh at Common core, It takes 10 steps to solve the same problem that traditional arithmetic takes a step and a half

Exactly common core math first teaches you the wrong way to solve a problem.

Just because you cannot figure it out doesn't make it wrong. It makes you a dumb ass!

Why take 10 steps to solve the problem when you can do it in a step And half with traditional math... lol

Because traditional math has taught us to memorize without explaining why and how. This is great for arithmetic skills but is bad for reasoning and critical thinking skills.

The fact that many of the folks here didn't know how to make 10 from 8+5 shows they lack simple mathematical reasoning skills. They were just taught to memorize 8+5 and not taught the properties of these numbers through partitioning.

 

[Flopper]

The problem with common core is that it doesn't work, the theory behind it being "easier" for kids was wrong. It may indeed be better for "some" kids, but it is not better for all, and I'd argue "most" kids. Doing extra steps to dumb everything down to "easy" numbers is no more helpful to "knowing how it works" than simply "knowing" that there are ten ones in ten, using fingers and toes, and so forth. In the end, different methods work for different people, and the "communist" idea attached to common core is because the gov. dictated that it had to be that way or no way - regardless of if that method failed on the kids or not. It didn't encourage alternative methods and in fact started /failing/ kids who got the right answer, simply because they didn't use /that/ method. In the "big picture" it goes against American ingenuity and punishes thinking out of the box, causing many American "freedom lovers" to reject it vehemently. Instead of /listening/ to the people, and children, the "gov" via their supporters and fruit loops, instead hurl's insults "you're just to stupid to understand it" which causes a visceral reaction. That's what you get for insulting everyone simply because they don't agree with you ~shrug~

Learning mathematics is hard for most kids. Learning to think like a mathematician just makes it a lot easier and that is what the common core math standard is all about. For example, kids are often asked to write what something really means. The purpose is to get kids to think about numbers and expressions and what they really mean.
Parents see an exercise such as:
347.392 = 3 × 100 + 4 × 10 + 7 × 1 + 3 × (1/10) + 9 × (1/100) + 2 × (1/1000)
and they say how dumb everybody knows that. They should be teaching my kid how to do long division. However, what the teacher is doing is teaching a kid a to think about what those number really mean. In common core you can see the reason for each standard and thus understand the need.

Since common core is just a standard not a method of teaching, schools with the help of curriculum specialist can design many types of classroom exercises that allow students to explore topics. That is the heart of common core, teaching kids to think, to question, and to explore.

When I was a kid, a long time ago, math was just a chore, memorizing your multiplication tables, a method for division, a method to calculate square root, coverting decimals to fractions, etc. In high school it was more of the same in Algebra, learning methods for solving equations. In college, Integral calculus was learning integration and solving equations. Finally in my senior year and in graduate school I was exposed to real mathematics, number theory, vector calculus, etc and I understood nothing because I was totally unprepared. I could solve equations with no problem but I lacked a real understanding of mathematics. This is what we need to fix. Kids need to be taught how to think in mathematical terms, not just do mathematically operations.

 

[theHawk]

If common core was so great, then why did students get worse scores in math after 8 years of it?

The US keeps falling compared to other countries. Common core failed, just like we conservatives said it would.

 

[Markle]

Bear513 probably thinks kids should go back to using slide rules.

Hey easy there! I still have my slide rule. I was in high school and it cost a lot of money at the time.

 

[Markle]

Your baseless accusations are getting tiresome.

You are a dumb ass and refuse to believe you could possibly be wrong, but you have failed to get anything, and I do mean ANYTHING right.

Goodnight and goodbye dumb ass!

Bear513 probably thinks kids should go back to using slide rules.

Why not? I read about a Japanese guy who is faster then a calculator..not slide rules of course..

This jap was fast using this


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I have an abacus on my desk and know how to use it but I'm not fast.

 

[EverCurious]

The problem with common core is that it doesn't work, the theory behind it being "easier" for kids was wrong. It may indeed be better for "some" kids, but it is not better for all, and I'd argue "most" kids. Doing extra steps to dumb everything down to "easy" numbers is no more helpful to "knowing how it works" than simply "knowing" that there are ten ones in ten, using fingers and toes, and so forth. In the end, different methods work for different people, and the "communist" idea attached to common core is because the gov. dictated that it had to be that way or no way - regardless of if that method failed on the kids or not. It didn't encourage alternative methods and in fact started /failing/ kids who got the right answer, simply because they didn't use /that/ method. In the "big picture" it goes against American ingenuity and punishes thinking out of the box, causing many American "freedom lovers" to reject it vehemently. Instead of /listening/ to the people, and children, the "gov" via their supporters and fruit loops, instead hurl's insults "you're just to stupid to understand it" which causes a visceral reaction. That's what you get for insulting everyone simply because they don't agree with you ~shrug~

Learning mathematics is hard for most kids. Learning to think like a mathematician just makes it a lot easier and that is what the common core math standard is all about. For example, kids are often asked to write what something really means. The purpose is to get kids to think about numbers and expressions and what they really mean.
Parents see an exercise such as:
347.392 = 3 × 100 + 4 × 10 + 7 × 1 + 3 × (1/10) + 9 × (1/100) + 2 × (1/1000)
and they say how dumb everybody knows that. They should be teaching my kid how to do long division. However, what the teacher is doing is teaching a kid a to think about what those number really mean. In common core you can see the reason for each standard and thus understand the need.

Since common core is just a standard not a method of teaching, schools with the help of curriculum specialist can design many types of classroom exercises that allow students to explore topics. That is the heart of common core, teaching kids to think, to question, and to explore.

When I was a kid, a long time ago, math was just a chore, memorizing your multiplication tables, a method for division, a method to calculate square root, coverting decimals to fractions, etc. In high school it was more of the same in Algebra, learning methods for solving equations. In college, Integral calculus was learning integration and solving equations. Finally in my senior year and in graduate school I was exposed to real mathematics, number theory, vector calculus, etc and I understood nothing because I was totally unprepared. I could solve equations with no problem but I lacked a real understanding of mathematics. This is what we need to fix. Kids need to be taught how to think in mathematical terms, not just do mathematically operations.

Okay, clearly "common core" isn't the right answer. It failed, bigly.

 

[JoeB131]

If common core was so great, then why did students get worse scores in math after 8 years of it?

The US keeps falling compared to other countries. Common core failed, just like we conservatives said it would.

Do you really want to do what other countries do?

Here's a hint. They don't give vouchers to rich people to pay for private schools that won't accept the riff-raff, which is the conservative solution in this country.

 

[Rustic]

The math that kids learn today may seem utterly ridiculous compared to what we learned in math 50 or 60 years years ago. In those days 85% of math instruction was teaching arithmetic. Math today is far more than teaching kids arithmetic. We have computers that can handle all our calculation needs.

Where our kids fall short compared to other countries is there inability to grasp concepts of higher mathematics. The reason for this is elementary instruction in math has not provide kids with the foundation they needed to understand higher math. Kids have passed integral and differential calculus, not because they understood basic laws of mathematics but because they memorizing methods of solving problems similar to what they did when they learned to divide and multiple. The result was they did not understand the basics, and when it came to applying what they learned to real world problems or understanding more advanced mathematical concepts they were lost.

So when your kids come home from school and they can't divide two 3 digit numbers or can't remember all their multiplication tables, don't worry. No one is going to be hiring them to do arithmetic. If they are going into a technical field, they better be able to think like a mathematician and that is what Common Core Math Standards are all about.

The two most important documents in math and science education are Common Core Standards and Next Generation Science Standards.

Intelligent people laugh at Common core, It takes 10 steps to solve the same problem that traditional arithmetic takes a step and a half

Exactly common core math first teaches you the wrong way to solve a problem.

Just because you cannot figure it out doesn't make it wrong. It makes you a dumb ass!

Why take 10 steps to solve the problem when you can do it in a step And half with traditional math... lol

Because traditional math has taught us to memorize without explaining why and how. This is great for arithmetic skills but is bad for reasoning and critical thinking skills.

The fact that many of the folks here didn't know how to make 10 from 8+5 shows they lack simple mathematical reasoning skills. They were just taught to memorize 8+5 and not taught the properties of these numbers through partitioning.

Sounds like a copout