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[Unkotare]

Unkotare
Your ignorant comments about them.

What ignorant comments?

How about your post just prior to this one? You still seem to think boxing gloves are there to protect the opponent's face.

 

[IM2]

Godboy
"The GOAT of MMA is also a white guy from Russia. Fedor Emelianenko went undefeated for a decade and is widely considered the best to ever do it"

I'm not gonna lie.

It's hard to comprehend now, just how amazing Fedor was at his best - dominant at a time when MMA was the wild west - next to no regulation, every man and their dog on the juice. Fedor was a fking animal. He was a throw back. Some sort of Cro magon human was

But prime Tyson vs prime Fedor in a street fight? Mike all the way.

And I know they were different weights.

But (pound 4 pound) prime Jon Jones Vs prime Fedor in cage ? Jon Jones all the way.

Iron Mike would lose, but it would be a hell of a fight.

Mike Tyson would end Fedor in a street fight. We are talking about a street fight. No rules and that's where D'Amato found Tyson. a 15 year old kid fighting on the streets for food.

No, he really wouldn't. Fedor has a chin like no other, and he too grew up in a dog eat dog world.

Add to that fedor is far more rounded as a fighter and there is no one who could beat him in his prime.

I think you give Fedor too much credit and Tyson not enough.

 

[Unkotare]

... just drop the whites are badder than everyone argument because it ain't so.

I suppose you would say the same to your little puppy Paulie? He's been saying the exact same thing in the other direction.

 

[Unkotare]

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You really think Tyson can't grapple himself ?
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Compared to an experienced grappler? No, he can't.

 

[Unkotare]

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Fact is: Fedor would have to fight with Tyson. Hed have throw hands.

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He absolutely would NOT have to stand there and box with Tyson. That would be stupid.

 

[IM2]

westwall
Iron Mike would lose, but it would be a hell of a fight.

Are you seriously trying to say that prime Fedor would beat prime Mike Tyson ?

Prime Tyson hits anybody with 4 oz gloves on they would never wake up again.

Yes, that's exactly what I am saying. Fedor has a chin like no one Mike ever fought. Mike lost to Buster Douglas for gosh sakes. And that was in his near prime.

On that night Douglas would have beat Fedor. Douglas was not a chump junior, the average man would have got destroyed by Douglass. Fedor was not trained to go 12 rounds. Ever. And Tyson took blows for 8-9 rounds before he got knocked out by Douglass. I have seen Fedors fights in his prime. He was far too slow to beat Tyson.

 

[IM2]

westwall
Iron Mike would lose, but it would be a hell of a fight.

Are you seriously trying to say that prime Fedor would beat prime Mike Tyson ?

Prime Tyson hits anybody with 4 oz gloves on they would never wake up again.

Mike Tyson punched a hole in a hotel wall and you could see outside through the hole. If he hit a man in the face with 4 oz gloves full power he's breaking bones.

That's not that impressive. I have done that when I was mad.

You guys are in here talking crazy. I've seen Fedors fights in his prime and he would have got hurt trying Tyson.

 

[Unkotare]

...You are not just going to get to shoot on a world class boxer without getting hit. Most likely with an uppercut. ...

Mayweather is a trained fighter. If you put you arms down too low, he will bust you with 5 jabs to the face. ...

Oh really? When the boxer moves forward and puts his weight on his front foot for a fraction of a second, he's going to "bust you with 5 jabs to the face" to defend a low John Smith single? And knowing this is on his opponent's list of options along with head snaps, front headlocks, and throws he wouldn't have to change his approach to try to account for them? Don't be as foolish as your ignorant little puppy Paulie there.

 

[Godboy]

Unkotare
Because grappling tops all forms of unarmed combat.

Paul Essien
Grappling is a poor form of combat if there is more than one attacker.

Unkotare
So is every other form of unarmed combat.

Dumb shit.

Let's take what Steven Segal specialises in "Akido" a master in that could waste five guys in ten seconds. There guys who know how to lock or snap your wrist in seconds.

It's brutal, brutal martial art. Same with Krav Maga or Mutay Thai. There are many guys who could fk up most guys on there knees or even sitting down.

Aikido is almost a fake martial art. It doesnt generally work well in a real fight. There are many videos online where you can see these guys fail, but the biggest indicator that it doesnt work is, not one aikido practitioner exists in MMA. If it really worked, people would be making money with it.

 

[Godboy]

westwall
Iron Mike would lose, but it would be a hell of a fight.

Are you seriously trying to say that prime Fedor would beat prime Mike Tyson ?

Prime Tyson hits anybody with 4 oz gloves on they would never wake up again.

IF he hits Fedor before the clinch. Once the clinch happens, the fight is already over.

 

[Godboy]

Godboy
"The GOAT of MMA is also a white guy from Russia. Fedor Emelianenko went undefeated for a decade and is widely considered the best to ever do it"

I'm not gonna lie.

It's hard to comprehend now, just how amazing Fedor was at his best - dominant at a time when MMA was the wild west - next to no regulation, every man and their dog on the juice. Fedor was a fking animal. He was a throw back. Some sort of Cro magon human was

But prime Tyson vs prime Fedor in a street fight? Mike all the way.

And I know they were different weights.

But (pound 4 pound) prime Jon Jones Vs prime Fedor in cage ? Jon Jones all the way.

Iron Mike would lose, but it would be a hell of a fight.

Mike Tyson would end Fedor in a street fight. We are talking about a street fight. No rules and that's where D'Amato found Tyson. a 15 year old kid fighting on the streets for food.

Fedor made his bones by beating the best in the world at the World Sambo Championships in Russia, for multiple consecutive years. In sambo they wear gi's, so they are trained perfectly for street fights because, people are generally wearing clothes in street fights. Mike Tyson would have no idea how to defend against an Ogoshi throw (Fedor is a master of the Ogoshi throw), and once Tyson is on the ground his punching power is no longer a factor.

Your shirt or coat becomes a weapon for an experienced gi grappler.

Sambo wrestling depends on being able to use clothing to trip and throw. Before you can trip or throw you have to establish an inside hand position. Fedor would get hit by a Tyson bomb trying to do that and it would be over. I used to wrestle. Collegiate style, freestyle and greco roman. We played around with sambo a few times in summer practices but there is no way Fedor in his prime is going to be able to grab Tyson in his prime and throw him without taking a straight punch. Mike Tyson was 5'11 230 pounds of rock. He was a very strong man,. so don't think Fedor was just going to walk up on tyson and muscle him into some kind of throw.

Tyson was a guy who threw a lot of combos (when he was in his prime). He often landed something in his combos, but he didnt land every shot he threw. Its not hard to clinch someone without getting hit if that is your primary goal. It just takes a couple feints, they react, then you clinch with side head movement. Even Tyson would have to get lucky to land the first shot he threw, let alone guarantee a KO with it.

 

[Godboy]

As I have said, boxers come off the streets, they have grappled. And to grapple you have to get inside. By the time he tried getting into Mayweather to grapple, he would have gotten punched in the head 50 timers and probably knocked out. You just can't rush a boxer. But lets stop talking about Mayweather and put him against a boxer his age and who is fighting right now. Terrence Crawford would fuck McGregor up in both disciplines. McGregor got his ass kicked by Nurimageddov, so lets stop talking like McGregor can't be beat. And I don't think he wants any part of Jon Jones.

No one in the history of the world has learned grappling in the streets. You learn grappling by drilling techniques over and over again with a partner who isnt trying to hurt you.

This is what happens when you try to learn grappling "in the streets". You have no idea how to defend a heel hook so your shit gets broken.




...and you absolutely can rush a boxer and take him down. If he is dumb enough to try and hit you "50 times" as you come in for a double or single leg take down, he is going down for sure. You defend take downs with your hands and underhooks. If you are punching, you cant do that.

Khabib beat Conor with grappling. He is a superior grappler to Conor, but his superiority isnt even close to the experience difference between an untrained grappler like Mayweather of Crawford against Conor. Conor would eat those boxers lunch if they tried grappling with him.

Son, I wrestled competitively at the collegiate level as a young man. I know how to defend against a double leg and single leg. You are not just going to get to shoot on a world class boxer without getting hit. Most likely with an uppercut. I defended many a shot by sprawling and a hard cross face.

Mayweather is a trained fighter. If you put you arms down too low, he will bust you with 5 jabs to the face. You have to get inside of them to wrestle, you would get hit with all manner of bombs trying to do that against a world class championship boxer. They train too and they wouldn't need to grapple with Mcgregor to beat him.

Randy Coutre took down James Toney, a world champion heavy weight boxer, without getting hit by a single blow. He did it on the first try.

This happens EVERY time a boxer goes up against an elite wrestler.

 

[Paul Essien]

westwall
Yes, that's exactly what I am saying. Fedor has a chin like no one Mike ever fought. Mike lost to Buster Douglas for gosh sakes. And that was in his near prime.

Get the fk outta here dude.

Mixed martial artist are generalists. They dont have power and that was shown in the McGregor Mayweather fight.

Gregor is considered a KO puncher in the MMA world. He is UFC's hardest 155 pound puncher fight, yet his punching power is laughable in the boxing world.

He was getting his head snapped bk by Mayweather who is known to be a light hitter. Floyd ate Conors punches up like a midnight snack.

Mayweather is a defensive genius, slipping, shoulder rolling, make you miss n countering.

But against McGregor he felt he didnt need to use any of that.

Mayweather wasn't avoiding a lot of shots he was simply laughing at them as he kept the pressure on.

More should have been made of the fact that McGregor (20+ pounds bigger and 11 years younger) spent the last 5 rounds running and looking for a place to hide in the ring. He was helpless in there and the feather fisted smaller guy just kept coming.

Put Conor in with a young, prime boxing champion his same weight like Canelo and the difference in punching power and ability to take a punch would be so wide apart as to be ridiculous.

When it comes to punching power and chin the best pro boxers beat the best MMA guys their weight by a mile. That's why they are champion boxers making many times more money per fight than the best UFC fighters make.

So getting bk to Tyson n Fedor

Tyson would INVITE fedor to hit him. If you can't take a punch as a boxer you get weeded out real fast.

I can't say this point enough. If a prime Tyson punched Fedor with 4oz gloves.

I'm not saying this for my argument.

But I'm not even sure I'd allow the fight to be happen. Tyson would cause horrific damage to fedor.

Majority of MMA guys come from wrestling, bjj, judo, and other grappling backgrounds. A lot of these guys don't get punched until they are over 18 years old.

 

[Godboy]

Godboy
"The GOAT of MMA is also a white guy from Russia. Fedor Emelianenko went undefeated for a decade and is widely considered the best to ever do it"

I'm not gonna lie.

It's hard to comprehend now, just how amazing Fedor was at his best - dominant at a time when MMA was the wild west - next to no regulation, every man and their dog on the juice. Fedor was a fking animal. He was a throw back. Some sort of Cro magon human was

But prime Tyson vs prime Fedor in a street fight? Mike all the way.

And I know they were different weights.

But (pound 4 pound) prime Jon Jones Vs prime Fedor in cage ? Jon Jones all the way.

Iron Mike would lose, but it would be a hell of a fight.

Mike Tyson would end Fedor in a street fight. We are talking about a street fight. No rules and that's where D'Amato found Tyson. a 15 year old kid fighting on the streets for food.

No, he really wouldn't. Fedor has a chin like no other, and he too grew up in a dog eat dog world.

Add to that fedor is far more rounded as a fighter and there is no one who could beat him in his prime.

I think you give Fedor too much credit and Tyson not enough.

Tyson is probably my favorite fighter, and he gets my vote for all time greatest boxer, but Fedor would crush him in a real fight.

 

[Godboy]

westwall
Iron Mike would lose, but it would be a hell of a fight.

Are you seriously trying to say that prime Fedor would beat prime Mike Tyson ?

Prime Tyson hits anybody with 4 oz gloves on they would never wake up again.

Yes, that's exactly what I am saying. Fedor has a chin like no one Mike ever fought. Mike lost to Buster Douglas for gosh sakes. And that was in his near prime.

On that night Douglas would have beat Fedor. Douglas was not a chump junior, the average man would have got destroyed by Douglass. Fedor was not trained to go 12 rounds. Ever. And Tyson took blows for 8-9 rounds before he got knocked out by Douglass. I have seen Fedors fights in his prime. He was far too slow to beat Tyson.

Douglas won because Tyson barely trained for that fight and was doing coke throughout his "training camp". Tyson in his prime destroys anyone you can name, in boxing.

 

[Unkotare]

Unkotare
Because grappling tops all forms of unarmed combat.

Paul Essien
Grappling is a poor form of combat if there is more than one attacker.

Unkotare
So is every other form of unarmed combat.

Dumb shit.

Let's take what Steven Segal specialises in "Akido" a master in that could waste five guys in ten seconds. There guys who know how to lock or snap your wrist in seconds.

It's brutal, brutal martial art. Same with Krav Maga or Mutay Thai. There are many guys who could fk up most guys on there knees or even sitting down.

Aikido is almost a fake martial art. It doesnt generally work well in a real fight. There are many videos online where you can see these guys fail, but the biggest indicator that it doesnt work is, not one aikido practitioner exists in MMA. If it really worked, people would be making money with it.

It 'works,' but not in the way some cosplay fanboy like Paulie wants to imagine it because he saw some bad movies. It is a great form of meditation and understanding of principles that can inform other, more practical and direct, aspects of a fighter's repertoire. Sort of like taijichuan in that way. You can tell Paulie has no idea what it is when he calls it "brutal." It demonstrates that he doesn't even know what "Aikido" means.

 

[Unkotare]

... A lot of these guys don't get punched until they are over 18 years old.

How the hell do you think you know that?

 

[Paul Essien]

Godboy
Aikido is almost a fake martial art. It doesnt generally work well in a real fight. There are many videos online where you can see these guys fail, but the biggest indicator that it doesnt work is, not one aikido practitioner exists in MMA. If it really worked, people would be making money with it.

Once again. Like Unkotare you're making a straw man argument.

That is your creating an argument that I did not say and then knocking down the argument.

For one there is no such as a fake martial art.

If you master ANY form of combat sport you'd be able to beat 99% of civilians. That was my point.

Not comparing aikido to other martial arts or its merit in the UFC.

My point was a master in Aikido is going to be far more effective against more than 1 attacker than a grappler ever would.

 

[Unkotare]

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My point was a master in Aikido is going to be far more effective against more than 1 attacker than a grappler ever would.

And your point is wrong.

 

[IM2]

Godboy
"The GOAT of MMA is also a white guy from Russia. Fedor Emelianenko went undefeated for a decade and is widely considered the best to ever do it"

I'm not gonna lie.

It's hard to comprehend now, just how amazing Fedor was at his best - dominant at a time when MMA was the wild west - next to no regulation, every man and their dog on the juice. Fedor was a fking animal. He was a throw back. Some sort of Cro magon human was

But prime Tyson vs prime Fedor in a street fight? Mike all the way.

And I know they were different weights.

But (pound 4 pound) prime Jon Jones Vs prime Fedor in cage ? Jon Jones all the way.

Iron Mike would lose, but it would be a hell of a fight.

Mike Tyson would end Fedor in a street fight. We are talking about a street fight. No rules and that's where D'Amato found Tyson. a 15 year old kid fighting on the streets for food.

No, he really wouldn't. Fedor has a chin like no other, and he too grew up in a dog eat dog world.

Add to that fedor is far more rounded as a fighter and there is no one who could beat him in his prime.

I think you give Fedor too much credit and Tyson not enough.

Tyson is probably my favorite fighter, and he gets my vote for all time greatest boxer, but Fedor would crush him in a real fight.

No, I don't think so. You are talking about Tysons specialty. He was found on the streets fightimg.