Boeing’s 737 Max Software Outsourced to $9/Hour Engineers

[ChinSwee]

It remains the mystery at the heart of Boeing Co.’s 737 Max crisis: how a company renowned for meticulous design made seemingly basic software mistakes leading to a pair of deadly crashes. Longtime Boeing engineers say the effort was complicated by a push to outsource work to lower-paid contractors.

Increasingly, the iconic American planemaker and its subcontractors have relied on temporary workers making as little as $9 an hour to develop and test software, often from countries lacking a deep background in aerospace -- notably India.

Rabin, the former software engineer, recalled one manager saying at an all-hands meeting that Boeing didn’t need senior engineers because its products were mature. “I was shocked that in a room full of a couple hundred mostly senior engineers we were being told that we weren’t needed,” said Rabin, who was laid off in 2015.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news

Outsourcing menace in USA for low cost workers and not skilled workers

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

No, it is no mystery, profit over all else.

 

[ChinSwee]

No, it is no mystery, profit over all else.

High speed trains (300 mph) will be good for United States of America

Why should Americans support Boeing when Boeing removed American workers

 

[Andylusion]

It remains the mystery at the heart of Boeing Co.’s 737 Max crisis: how a company renowned for meticulous design made seemingly basic software mistakes leading to a pair of deadly crashes. Longtime Boeing engineers say the effort was complicated by a push to outsource work to lower-paid contractors.

Increasingly, the iconic American planemaker and its subcontractors have relied on temporary workers making as little as $9 an hour to develop and test software, often from countries lacking a deep background in aerospace -- notably India.

Rabin, the former software engineer, recalled one manager saying at an all-hands meeting that Boeing didn’t need senior engineers because its products were mature. “I was shocked that in a room full of a couple hundred mostly senior engineers we were being told that we weren’t needed,” said Rabin, who was laid off in 2015.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news

Outsourcing menace in USA for low cost workers and not skilled workers

I don't have a problem with outsourcing.... but when you make stupid choices, you get stupid results. This is what happens when management doesn't understand the value that engineers provide.

Hard lesson to learn. Hope they learned.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

No, it is no mystery, profit over all else.

High speed trains (300 mph) will be good for United States of America

Why should Americans support Boeing when Boeing removed American workers

Because we are an utterly cucked and subjugated people.

 

[Andylusion]

No, it is no mystery, profit over all else.

They lost profits dude. Capitalism punishes bad choices. They didn't profit from this.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

It remains the mystery at the heart of Boeing Co.’s 737 Max crisis: how a company renowned for meticulous design made seemingly basic software mistakes leading to a pair of deadly crashes. Longtime Boeing engineers say the effort was complicated by a push to outsource work to lower-paid contractors.

Increasingly, the iconic American planemaker and its subcontractors have relied on temporary workers making as little as $9 an hour to develop and test software, often from countries lacking a deep background in aerospace -- notably India.

Rabin, the former software engineer, recalled one manager saying at an all-hands meeting that Boeing didn’t need senior engineers because its products were mature. “I was shocked that in a room full of a couple hundred mostly senior engineers we were being told that we weren’t needed,” said Rabin, who was laid off in 2015.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news

Outsourcing menace in USA for low cost workers and not skilled workers

I don't have a problem with outsourcing.... but when you make stupid choices, you get stupid results. This is what happens when management doesn't understand the value that engineers provide.

Hard lesson to learn. Hope they learned.

No, dead bodies don't matter, now the money lost may.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

No, it is no mystery, profit over all else.

They lost profits dude. Capitalism punishes bad choices. They didn't profit from this.

No, actually socialism bails out capitalism in America.

 

[Andylusion]

No, it is no mystery, profit over all else.

High speed trains (300 mph) will be good for United States of America

Why should Americans support Boeing when Boeing removed American workers

Um.... Boeing has over 150,000 US employees. And that doesn't include supporting businesses that employ people, because Boeing contracts with them. Take just the aluminum purchased from US suppliers for example. Or truck drivers delivering material.

You people need to snap out of this. You hear about a dozen people being laid off, and then pretend the entire company moved to Uganda.

 

[g5000]

No, it is no mystery, profit over all else.

They lost profits dude. Capitalism punishes bad choices. They didn't profit from this.

Not for lack of trying.

 

[Andylusion]

It remains the mystery at the heart of Boeing Co.’s 737 Max crisis: how a company renowned for meticulous design made seemingly basic software mistakes leading to a pair of deadly crashes. Longtime Boeing engineers say the effort was complicated by a push to outsource work to lower-paid contractors.

Increasingly, the iconic American planemaker and its subcontractors have relied on temporary workers making as little as $9 an hour to develop and test software, often from countries lacking a deep background in aerospace -- notably India.

Rabin, the former software engineer, recalled one manager saying at an all-hands meeting that Boeing didn’t need senior engineers because its products were mature. “I was shocked that in a room full of a couple hundred mostly senior engineers we were being told that we weren’t needed,” said Rabin, who was laid off in 2015.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news

Outsourcing menace in USA for low cost workers and not skilled workers

I don't have a problem with outsourcing.... but when you make stupid choices, you get stupid results. This is what happens when management doesn't understand the value that engineers provide.

Hard lesson to learn. Hope they learned.

No, dead bodies don't matter, now the money lost may.

You didn't mention dead bodies. You mentioned profits. You claim was false. They didn't profit from this.

 

[Andylusion]

No, it is no mystery, profit over all else.

They lost profits dude. Capitalism punishes bad choices. They didn't profit from this.

Not for lack of trying.

Well of course. When you go to work, don't you try and profit more from your job? Yes you do. You would love to get paid $100/hour to flip a burger over, or something else easy.

Welcome to the human race.

 

[ChinSwee]

They lost profits dude. Capitalism punishes bad choices. They didn't profit from this.

Some 600 Boeing 737 Max have been grounded for 6 to 12 months. Boeing loss could be $6 billion to $10 billion because of outsourcing.

Look at advanced/world class China's high-speed trains

Video: https://www.youtube.com

 

[g5000]

No, it is no mystery, profit over all else.

They lost profits dude. Capitalism punishes bad choices. They didn't profit from this.

Not for lack of trying.

Well of course. When you go to work, don't you try and profit more from your job? Yes you do. You would love to get paid $100/hour to flip a burger over, or something else easy.

Welcome to the human race.

They cut corners, people died.

You're a little flippant with your "capitalism punishes bad choices". It often punishes the innocent. The guilty go free.

 

[Andylusion]

No, it is no mystery, profit over all else.

They lost profits dude. Capitalism punishes bad choices. They didn't profit from this.

No, actually socialism bails out capitalism in America.

Bull crap. First off, your very statement is illogical. Maybe you missed it, but Capitalism is a profit and loss system. Milton Friedman said that. Profit encourages risk-taking, and loss encourages prudence.

If you do bail out capitalism.... then it isn't capitalism anymore. It's socialism. One can't bail out the other. They mutually exclusive.

If you don't let companies that make bad choices fail..... then it isn't capitalism.

 

[K9Buck]

No, it is no mystery, profit over all else.

They lost profits dude. Capitalism punishes bad choices. They didn't profit from this.

Not for lack of trying.

Well of course. When you go to work, don't you try and profit more from your job? Yes you do. You would love to get paid $100/hour to flip a burger over, or something else easy.

Welcome to the human race.

They cut corners, people died.

You're a little flippant with your "capitalism punishes bad choices". It often punishes the innocent. The guilty go free.

We shouldn't have capitalism or private business. Government should own and manage everything.

 

[Andylusion]

No, it is no mystery, profit over all else.

They lost profits dude. Capitalism punishes bad choices. They didn't profit from this.

Not for lack of trying.

Well of course. When you go to work, don't you try and profit more from your job? Yes you do. You would love to get paid $100/hour to flip a burger over, or something else easy.

Welcome to the human race.

They cut corners, people died.

You're a little flippant with your "capitalism punishes bad choices". It often punishes the innocent. The guilty go free.

Guilty implies a goal or intention. Are you suggesting that executives were sitting there planning out "Hey we'll let these cheap engineers make crap code, crash some planes, kill a bunch of people, ruin the companies reputation, and risk going to prison! Good plan!"

Of course not.

Tell me sparky.... have you ever gone to a different mechanic shop, to get an oil change cheaper? Or bought cheaper tires? Or even a cheaper car?

If your car has a problem, and you hit and kill someone.... can we say "No that wasn't an accident. You cut corners! You are guilty of murder!"

No, of course you wouldn't accept that. You are holding other people to a different standard than you yourself would follow.

 

[g5000]

No, it is no mystery, profit over all else.

They lost profits dude. Capitalism punishes bad choices. They didn't profit from this.

Not for lack of trying.

Well of course. When you go to work, don't you try and profit more from your job? Yes you do. You would love to get paid $100/hour to flip a burger over, or something else easy.

Welcome to the human race.

They cut corners, people died.

You're a little flippant with your "capitalism punishes bad choices". It often punishes the innocent. The guilty go free.

Guilty implies a goal or intention. Are you suggesting that executives were sitting there planning out "Hey we'll let these cheap engineers make crap code, crash some planes, kill a bunch of people, ruin the companies reputation, and risk going to prison! Good plan!"

Of course not.

Tell me sparky.... have you ever gone to a different mechanic shop, to get an oil change cheaper? Or bought cheaper tires? Or even a cheaper car?

If your car has a problem, and you hit and kill someone.... can we say "No that wasn't an accident. You cut corners! You are guilty of murder!"

No, of course you wouldn't accept that. You are holding other people to a different standard than you yourself would follow.

Boeing knew their software was defective. They didn't warn their customers. Even after the first plane crashed, they didn't call for their planes to be grounded.

Every single death is on them.

 

[Andylusion]

No, it is no mystery, profit over all else.

They lost profits dude. Capitalism punishes bad choices. They didn't profit from this.

Not for lack of trying.

Well of course. When you go to work, don't you try and profit more from your job? Yes you do. You would love to get paid $100/hour to flip a burger over, or something else easy.

Welcome to the human race.

They cut corners, people died.

You're a little flippant with your "capitalism punishes bad choices". It often punishes the innocent. The guilty go free.

We shouldn't have capitalism or private business. Government should own and manage everything.

And you know what happens when government owns the business?

When the business screws up, NOTHING happens. Barely even an investigation, and then when people are actually guilty, then they go free. Why? Because that business is part of government now. They'll never send themselves to prison.

And by they way..... if you doubt that, just look at Franklin Raines and Fannie Mae. They caught them clearly, undeniably, cooking the books to give the executives bonuses. They were literally making up numbers. And Fannie and Freddie were the two largest bailouts of the entire sub-prime crash.

Raines never spent a day in prison, and nothing happened to any of the executives.

Bad idea.

 

[Andylusion]

They lost profits dude. Capitalism punishes bad choices. They didn't profit from this.

Not for lack of trying.

Well of course. When you go to work, don't you try and profit more from your job? Yes you do. You would love to get paid $100/hour to flip a burger over, or something else easy.

Welcome to the human race.

They cut corners, people died.

You're a little flippant with your "capitalism punishes bad choices". It often punishes the innocent. The guilty go free.

Guilty implies a goal or intention. Are you suggesting that executives were sitting there planning out "Hey we'll let these cheap engineers make crap code, crash some planes, kill a bunch of people, ruin the companies reputation, and risk going to prison! Good plan!"

Of course not.

Tell me sparky.... have you ever gone to a different mechanic shop, to get an oil change cheaper? Or bought cheaper tires? Or even a cheaper car?

If your car has a problem, and you hit and kill someone.... can we say "No that wasn't an accident. You cut corners! You are guilty of murder!"

No, of course you wouldn't accept that. You are holding other people to a different standard than you yourself would follow.

Boeing knew their software was defective. They didn't warn their customers. Even after the first plane crashed, they didn't call for their planes to be grounded.

Every single death is on them.

I haven't read that anywhere. Where do you see that?