Border chief says Wall is a waste of money .

[danielpalos]

He's retiring and no longer has to play politics .

He's right . If you really want to control illegal immigration the money is better spent on more Ice agents or more immigration courts and judges .


Retiring Border Chief Calls Trump's Wall a Waste of Time, Money

BS from every direction. Walls are necessary where there's limited space/exposure from either side. All else can be secured using electrics, satellite, helicopters, dogs, shot guns, and most of all enforcement. People are pretty fucking stupid from both sides. Especially liberals of course, but that's to be expected.

we have a Border Patrol. should change the name to Border Guards?

 

[Avatar4321]

Trump and his supporters disagree.

Who do you think is going to win this?

 

[Dschrute3]

I'm sure they can find a couple Democrat border patrol officials to oppose Trump's plans. But Trump's got it right. It's time to secure our border and end Illegal Immigration. And i don't care how much it costs.

Our Government has spent several $Trillions on things i never supported. So many have gotten what they wanted. And now it's my turn. I want border security now. I want my Government to spend whatever it takes to get that done. It's time for me to get what i want for once. Do it now President Trump!

National Socialism, all the way?

Spend whatever it takes to secure our border and end Illegal Immigration once and for all. Period, end of story.

 

[danielpalos]

Trump and his supporters disagree.

Who do you think is going to win this?

my left wing "crystal ball" predicts plenty of litigation, for fun and profit.

 

[WillReadmore]

He's retiring and no longer has to play politics .

He's right . If you really want to control illegal immigration the money is better spent on more Ice agents or more immigration courts and judges .


Retiring Border Chief Calls Trump's Wall a Waste of Time, Money

He was appointed by Obama and the border has been a sieve so sounds like he was a waste of money.

- The number of undocumented aliens in the US stopped growing under Obama's administration and has remained relatively constant - something that hasn't been the case in the USA since modern immigration law.

- nearly half those here without documentation came here LEGALLY. And, that means that a PERFECT wall would not have stopped them.

There are too many reasons that spending tens of billions on a wall is just stupid.

The wall isn't for legal immigration, why bring that up? There's a steady stream of illegals coming in, that's why liberals have created sanctuary cities. They cost us money in many different ways but it isn't your call, or some liberal border appointee.

The interesting thing about the number of undocumented aliens who arrived legally is that it is a serious weakness in the idea that building a wall will is some sort of key solution to having more undocumented aliens in the US.

I don't mind the goal. Nobody is in favor of open borders.

But, spending tens of billions on a solution that can't claim to even be HALF the problem is really just plain nutty.

Plus, it's important to remember that the number of undocumented aliens is not increasing. Think about that!

There are problems at the border with Mexico - agreed.

But, "sanctuary cities" really has nothing to do with it. If they were coming in and going to those cities, we would seen the number of undocumented aliens in the US rise - but, we don't.

The bottom line is that we're just not seeing adequate justification for spending tens of billions. Too much of the argument is fake. The problems aren't well enough identified.

They are "undocumented" so you have no goddamn clue how many are coming in. They undercut jobs and cost us resources and once a kid is born here we are obligated to care for it.
Countries cease to exist without a border.

You can't just say "no we don't" when there are multiple ways of counting undocumented aliens and the various methods agree.

And, your last sentence is obvious hyperventilation, as we clearly have a country that has lasted for a couple hundred years with much less border control than we have today.

I agree that having what is essentially an underground economy in labor is a problem. But, that problem is easily solved by applying free market capitalism - requiring some paperwork.

 

[danielpalos]

I'm sure they can find a couple Democrat border patrol officials to oppose Trump's plans. But Trump's got it right. It's time to secure our border and end Illegal Immigration. And i don't care how much it costs.

Our Government has spent several $Trillions on things i never supported. So many have gotten what they wanted. And now it's my turn. I want border security now. I want my Government to spend whatever it takes to get that done. It's time for me to get what i want for once. Do it now President Trump!

National Socialism, all the way?

Spend whatever it takes to secure our border and end Illegal Immigration once and for all. Period, end of story.

How about, War on Illegals, Tax Rates?

 

[Indeependent]

I don't care if Trump runs the Debt up to $50 Trillion. They've spent us into a $20 Trillion Debt, and i've seen nothing from it. I realize many others have benefited from all the spending, but i haven't. So it's my turn now. Spend whatever it takes on securing our border and ending Illegal Immigration. It's time for me to get something from all the spending. I want border security. And i want it now. Get on it President Trump!

Since the number of undocumented aliens staying in the US is not growing, and since nearly half those here came by legal means (thus not affected by a wall), I just have to ask:

What do you think the wall will achieve?

You say it is "your turn", so I want to know what you think you are getting.

So...we have documentation on the number of "undocumented aliens staying in the US"?
Is one of us on drugs?

There is currently a construction bubble in the US and I see MASSIVE numbers of members of ONE particular part of the Western Hemisphere building all over the place.

 

[Dschrute3]

Call it 'Infrastructure Spending.' Maybe some Democrat dunces will accidentally support it. Whatever it takes. Just get it done.

 

[WillReadmore]

The problem with "other solutions" is that future Democrat presidents will not implement them. If there is a wall, it will still be there regardless of who our president is.

The number of undocumented aliens in the US stopped growing under Obama's administration, and has remained that way.

That is something that hasn't happened for decades - way before Reagan.

Maybe Republicans could do that, too, but just didn't bother. I'll reserve judgement for the moment.

BUT, accusing Dems of NOT solving this problem is preposterous.

 

[Iceweasel]

He was appointed by Obama and the border has been a sieve so sounds like he was a waste of money.

- The number of undocumented aliens in the US stopped growing under Obama's administration and has remained relatively constant - something that hasn't been the case in the USA since modern immigration law.

- nearly half those here without documentation came here LEGALLY. And, that means that a PERFECT wall would not have stopped them.

There are too many reasons that spending tens of billions on a wall is just stupid.

The wall isn't for legal immigration, why bring that up? There's a steady stream of illegals coming in, that's why liberals have created sanctuary cities. They cost us money in many different ways but it isn't your call, or some liberal border appointee.

The interesting thing about the number of undocumented aliens who arrived legally is that it is a serious weakness in the idea that building a wall will is some sort of key solution to having more undocumented aliens in the US.

I don't mind the goal. Nobody is in favor of open borders.

But, spending tens of billions on a solution that can't claim to even be HALF the problem is really just plain nutty.

Plus, it's important to remember that the number of undocumented aliens is not increasing. Think about that!

There are problems at the border with Mexico - agreed.

But, "sanctuary cities" really has nothing to do with it. If they were coming in and going to those cities, we would seen the number of undocumented aliens in the US rise - but, we don't.

The bottom line is that we're just not seeing adequate justification for spending tens of billions. Too much of the argument is fake. The problems aren't well enough identified.

They are "undocumented" so you have no goddamn clue how many are coming in. They undercut jobs and cost us resources and once a kid is born here we are obligated to care for it.
Countries cease to exist without a border.

You can't just say "no we don't" when there are multiple ways of counting undocumented aliens and the various methods agree.

And, your last sentence is obvious hyperventilation, as we clearly have a country that has lasted for a couple hundred years with much less border control than we have today.

I agree that having what is essentially an underground economy in labor is a problem. But, that problem is easily solved by applying free market capitalism - requiring some paperwork.

You haven't provided jack shit for facts, you can't bluff your way around it. What are all the ways to count illegals? Back it up.

Yes, we've had a porous border, especially with lax enforcement and we've been paying a huge price. Come back with something better than dick slinging.

 

[Iceweasel]

The problem with "other solutions" is that future Democrat presidents will not implement them. If there is a wall, it will still be there regardless of who our president is.

The number of undocumented aliens in the US stopped growing under Obama's administration, and has remained that way.

That is something that hasn't happened for decades - way before Reagan.

Maybe Republicans could do that, too, but just didn't bother. I'll reserve judgement for the moment.

BUT, accusing Dems of NOT solving this problem is preposterous.

The dems solved it by ignoring the problem? MY god you are a retard!

 

[Timmy]

The problem with "other solutions" is that future Democrat presidents will not implement them. If there is a wall, it will still be there regardless of who our president is.

The number of undocumented aliens in the US stopped growing under Obama's administration, and has remained that way.

That is something that hasn't happened for decades - way before Reagan.

Maybe Republicans could do that, too, but just didn't bother. I'll reserve judgement for the moment.

BUT, accusing Dems of NOT solving this problem is preposterous.

The dems solved it by ignoring the problem? MY god you are a retard!

It building a rediculous wall doesn't mean thy ignored the problem .

 

[Iceweasel]

The problem with "other solutions" is that future Democrat presidents will not implement them. If there is a wall, it will still be there regardless of who our president is.

The number of undocumented aliens in the US stopped growing under Obama's administration, and has remained that way.

That is something that hasn't happened for decades - way before Reagan.

Maybe Republicans could do that, too, but just didn't bother. I'll reserve judgement for the moment.

BUT, accusing Dems of NOT solving this problem is preposterous.

The dems solved it by ignoring the problem? MY god you are a retard!

It building a rediculous wall doesn't mean thy ignored the problem .

You're drunk.

 

[oreo]

He's retiring and no longer has to play politics .

He's right . If you really want to control illegal immigration the money is better spent on more Ice agents or more immigration courts and judges .


Retiring Border Chief Calls Trump's Wall a Waste of Time, Money

Any wall can be compromised. All you need to do is watch national geographic--they have found so many tunnels it's unbelievable. It would be a waste of money.

I would use something they can't see, electronics that sends a signal miles before they get to the border, then set up border patrol stations in more areas, and it's a done deal, it's controlled.

They also need to get a pathway to citizenship for people that have lived here for years. They're working and they need to pay their fair share of taxes.

There is absolutely no reason that it should take 15 years for someone to get citizenship to this country that came here legally and that goes on a lot.

 

[WillReadmore]

I don't care if Trump runs the Debt up to $50 Trillion. They've spent us into a $20 Trillion Debt, and i've seen nothing from it. I realize many others have benefited from all the spending, but i haven't. So it's my turn now. Spend whatever it takes on securing our border and ending Illegal Immigration. It's time for me to get something from all the spending. I want border security. And i want it now. Get on it President Trump!

Since the number of undocumented aliens staying in the US is not growing, and since nearly half those here came by legal means (thus not affected by a wall), I just have to ask:

What do you think the wall will achieve?

You say it is "your turn", so I want to know what you think you are getting.

So...we have documentation on the number of "undocumented aliens staying in the US"?
Is one of us on drugs?

There is currently a construction bubble in the US and I see MASSIVE numbers of members of ONE particular part of the Western Hemisphere building all over the place.

I don't believe either of us is on drugs - lol!

We have data from a number of agencies including the government that shows these numbers. There are a LOT of people who want to know, as it affects stuff like schools, employment, services (such as ER), etc., etc.

I doubt you can tell by looking whether someone is an American citizen.

Remember that the argument is that the wall is required to keep the number from GROWING.

So, it's relatively important to know that the number isn't growing AND that entry isn't limited to the method of entry that the wall addresses.

 

[WillReadmore]

The problem with "other solutions" is that future Democrat presidents will not implement them. If there is a wall, it will still be there regardless of who our president is.

The number of undocumented aliens in the US stopped growing under Obama's administration, and has remained that way.

That is something that hasn't happened for decades - way before Reagan.

Maybe Republicans could do that, too, but just didn't bother. I'll reserve judgement for the moment.

BUT, accusing Dems of NOT solving this problem is preposterous.

The dems solved it by ignoring the problem? MY god you are a retard!

Dems absolutely did NOT ignore this problem.

In fact, Dems spearheaded a bi-partisan immigration reform bill that passed the Senate and would have passed the House had Boehner not prevented it from coming to a vote.

That bill would have fixed e-verify and made it a requirement (with policing). It would have spent tens of billions on the wall. It would have modified our visa programs to reduce the number who come here legally and then stay (which is how nearly half have come).

And, the bottom line is that the number here isn't increasing!!

And, that WAS the objective of building a wall.

 

[danielpalos]

Call it 'Infrastructure Spending.' Maybe some Democrat dunces will accidentally support it. Whatever it takes. Just get it done.

it requires war on illegals tax rates.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

He's retiring and no longer has to play politics .

He's right . If you really want to control illegal immigration the money is better spent on more Ice agents or more immigration courts and judges .


Retiring Border Chief Calls Trump's Wall a Waste of Time, Money

The retiring border chief is an Obama appointee.

That said, I agree with more border agents, sharpshootin' guys who can hit a refried bean at 1000 yards.

right wing fantasy?

Simple efficiency.

 

[Dschrute3]

Call it 'Infrastructure Spending.' Maybe some Democrat dunces will accidentally support it. Whatever it takes. Just get it done.

it requires war on illegals tax rates.

Democrats are always big on 'Infrastructure Spending', no? So lets just call it an 'Infrastructure Project', and get it done. Could create a lotta American Jobs. Gonna require a huge amount of labor to build it.

 

[tyroneweaver]

He's retiring and no longer has to play politics .

He's right . If you really want to control illegal immigration the money is better spent on more Ice agents or more immigration courts and judges .


Retiring Border Chief Calls Trump's Wall a Waste of Time, Money

I bet less money will go into that wall than your boy spent on Solyndra.