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IMHO - the sheer volume of threads and the general lack of information about the issues involved by those who are starting the threads leads me to believe that some right-wing militia - type organization has released an "action alert" trying to whip people up into a frenzy about this.
Have you noticed all the Waco and Ruby Ridge references? I don't think that is an accident - I think they were prompted by the action alert. The Turner Diaries crowd is trying to whip the faithful into a frenzy so they'll grab their guns and rush off to this guys ranch to try to ignite the civil war they've been fantasizing about for so long.
I KNEW IT!
They even used the words "Action Alert"
Last Man Standing: Armed Feds Surround Nevada Rancher?s Property
It contains all of the common misinformation that these threads begin with - like the feds are surrounding this guys ranch, etc ...
Good catch...Paulitician and Lovebear dont know shit about the case but were instructed by talking points to get mad.
And just like a trained dog...They did what they were told by the action alert
It is quite apparent you do have a dog in this fight - so in the words of Eric Holder......don't even go there, nodoginfight.
You were the first to panic about two different persons posting similar threads and demanded a merger. As if no news on the television were not enough - two threads are some major threat or something? Why such concern about it? I've seen many similar threads and never demanded a merger before.
First off, there are 3 threads on this topic.
And the story isn't big news because most people see that the rancher has ignored the laws, the feds, and court rulings for 20+ years. Now the feds are moving his cattle.
Those trying to make this about a police state, property rights, or just sensationalizing it are the ones doing a disservice.
All this "They are taking food from starving children!" or "I hope they don't slaughter him and his family since they have surrounded his ranch" are simply showing their ignorance.
» Before Nevada Cattle Rancher Standoff, BLM Killed Hundreds of Endangered Desert Tortoises Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley ever since 1877. All these rights I claim have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and water. I have been here longer. My rights are before the BLM even existed, Bundy said.
But now, being lying scumbag dimocrap Nazis, they invent an 'environMENTAL' excuse to go after Bundy.
Which simply doesn't wash:
All of this illustrates how the BLMs dispute with Mr. Bundy has nothing to do with saving or protecting tortoises (most of which were given to the facility by people who owned them as pets, and which the BLM is either killing or releasing into the wild animals raised in captivity dont usually fare well in the wild) as they claim, and everything to do with making an example out of Mr. Bundy for having the gall to stand up for his property, bullying him into submission by brute force.
Ever notice how dimocrap scum ALWAYS take the side of government? Just like their ideological predecessors, the Nazis, before them?
It's not a coincidence, people.
Right, wrong or indifferent... It's not a coincidence
He claims his rights predate the BLM. And you think that is legitimate?? Yes, his family grazed cattle all over in the late 1800s. Congrats. My grandfather had hogs that he let loose and then caught in the fall. That practice is no longer legal. Nor is free-grazing legal on those public lands. Just because your family has been here a long time does not mean you can ignore laws passed.
I am not one to want more gov't intrusion into our lives. But this is about one rancher defying the laws and court orders. It is about him wanting to USE the lands without paying taxes on them or even claiming ownership.
If he wanted his cattle he should have moved them off the public land sometime in the previous 16 years.
If I park my car on a public street and I am told I have to move it, if I don't comply they will tow it.
It is quite apparent you do have a dog in this fight - so in the words of Eric Holder......don't even go there, nodoginfight.
You were the first to panic about two different persons posting similar threads and demanded a merger. As if no news on the television were not enough - two threads are some major threat or something? Why such concern about it? I've seen many similar threads and never demanded a merger before.
First off, there are 3 threads on this topic.
And the story isn't big news because most people see that the rancher has ignored the laws, the feds, and court rulings for 20+ years. Now the feds are moving his cattle.
Those trying to make this about a police state, property rights, or just sensationalizing it are the ones doing a disservice.
All this "They are taking food from starving children!" or "I hope they don't slaughter him and his family since they have surrounded his ranch" are simply showing their ignorance.
It isn't big news because it has been kept OUT OF THE NEWS. Completely! That is the reason it isn't big news. WB. Lets stay with the facts here! As to the claims of the rancher vs claims of govt.. The american people deserve to hear all the facts of the story. Whatever they may be and not off of a homemade youtube video!
Look for the big T-Word to be thrown around by Big Brother real soon. Those darn cattle grazer thieves!! They're a threat to our American way of life dammit!
Better get em off to GITMO.
It would certainly be easier than looking for you to actually post facts. You seem woefully incapable of doing that.
The man is stealing food for his cattle off of public lands.
You have insinuated that the gov't is stealing and that the rancher is not. Do you have any facts to go along with that? Or should we just assume you are posting bullshit and trying to look like you know something?
All i can say is, read up a bit more on this story. It goes back a long long way. Who is the 'Thief' and 'Criminal' in this? Read up a bit more, you may be surprised to find your perception changing on this. Check it out.
I've decided to build a house on the edge of the Grand Canyon, in the national Park. The view will be terrific! I suspect that I can get away with it for 16 years, which works for me, at my age....
It's a trade off they are making to put up the solar plants. Big Federal projects underway.
Gold Butte was chosen as a mitigation site for Dry Lake because it harbors similar plant and animal life, including the desert tortoise, and because it is ineligible for special funding available to BLM's National Landscape Conservation System.
In addition, Gold Butte's native creosote-bursage vegetation is expected to persist longer under climate change than other ACECs, and its tortoise habitat is expected to persist even as it shrinks or disappears in the surrounding region.
As acres are developed at Dry Lake, mitigation fees would help pay for restoration of similar acres at Gold Butte.
But establishing a fair mitigation price has proved to be a challenge.
RENEWABLE ENERGY: Mojave project tests Interior strategy for stemming habitat losses -- Tuesday, January 28, 2014 -- www.eenews.net
It is quite apparent you do have a dog in this fight - so in the words of Eric Holder......don't even go there, nodoginfight.
You were the first to panic about two different persons posting similar threads and demanded a merger. As if no news on the television were not enough - two threads are some major threat or something? Why such concern about it? I've seen many similar threads and never demanded a merger before.
First off, there are 3 threads on this topic.
And the story isn't big news because most people see that the rancher has ignored the laws, the feds, and court rulings for 20+ years. Now the feds are moving his cattle.
Those trying to make this about a police state, property rights, or just sensationalizing it are the ones doing a disservice.
All this "They are taking food from starving children!" or "I hope they don't slaughter him and his family since they have surrounded his ranch" are simply showing their ignorance.
It isn't big news because it has been kept OUT OF THE NEWS. Completely! That is the reason it isn't big news. WB. Lets stay with the facts here! As to the claims of the rancher vs claims of govt.. The american people deserve to hear all the facts of the story. Whatever they may be and not off of a homemade youtube video!
That's quite a selective recitation of the facts.
If you have more, feel free to post them.
I listed the facts that have brought us to the point that feds have to provide protection for contractors removing Bundy's cattle from public lands.
Oh, and yeah I know you want the lands to be Bundy's. But current laws concerning property do not see it that way. I have no problem with you changing the laws. But until those laws are changed, I'll stick with the reality of who owns the land in question.
I've listed, along with several others, relevant facts several times over in this thread. You're simply ignoring them.
» Before Nevada Cattle Rancher Standoff, BLM Killed Hundreds of Endangered Desert Tortoises Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
But now, being lying scumbag dimocrap Nazis, they invent an 'environMENTAL' excuse to go after Bundy.
Which simply doesn't wash:
Ever notice how dimocrap scum ALWAYS take the side of government? Just like their ideological predecessors, the Nazis, before them?
It's not a coincidence, people.
Right, wrong or indifferent... It's not a coincidence
He claims his rights predate the BLM. And you think that is legitimate?? Yes, his family grazed cattle all over in the late 1800s. Congrats. My grandfather had hogs that he let loose and then caught in the fall. That practice is no longer legal. Nor is free-grazing legal on those public lands. Just because your family has been here a long time does not mean you can ignore laws passed.
I am not one to want more gov't intrusion into our lives. But this is about one rancher defying the laws and court orders. It is about him wanting to USE the lands without paying taxes on them or even claiming ownership.
If he wanted his cattle he should have moved them off the public land sometime in the previous 16 years.
If I park my car on a public street and I am told I have to move it, if I don't comply they will tow it.
Well, at least we've come to the end of what is fueling the RW posts. Because his ancestors used the public land (or water or air) he should be free to do whatever he pleases with the public land, regardless of the damage he does to it, or the harm his use does to adjacent landowners/permit holders.
In short, the gummit is bad and we demand anarchy.
You really so sure he's not a victim of this Police State?
No. I think you're a victim of lead paint.
That's cool. You have your beliefs and opinions. But maybe read up a bit more on this story. It goes a back a long time. Who's really the 'Thief' and 'Criminal' here? Something to contemplate...If you dare.
It would certainly be easier than looking for you to actually post facts. You seem woefully incapable of doing that.
The man is stealing food for his cattle off of public lands.
You have insinuated that the gov't is stealing and that the rancher is not. Do you have any facts to go along with that? Or should we just assume you are posting bullshit and trying to look like you know something?
All i can say is, read up a bit more on this story. It goes back a long long way. Who is the 'Thief' and 'Criminal' in this? Read up a bit more, you may be surprised to find your perception changing on this. Check it out.
You keep insinuating that there is more to this story then we are aware of.
Please fill us in.
From what I've been able to find out the BLM has every right to kick the guy and his cattle off the land.
Anyone who calls those murderers at Waco "peaceful American citizens" is a lying piece of shit. Period.
I don't think anyone was accusing the FBI as being peaceful american citizens.
It would certainly be easier than looking for you to actually post facts. You seem woefully incapable of doing that.
The man is stealing food for his cattle off of public lands.
You have insinuated that the gov't is stealing and that the rancher is not. Do you have any facts to go along with that? Or should we just assume you are posting bullshit and trying to look like you know something?
All i can say is, read up a bit more on this story. It goes back a long long way. Who is the 'Thief' and 'Criminal' in this? Read up a bit more, you may be surprised to find your perception changing on this. Check it out.
Horseshit. That is not all you can say. You can actually say what you read that changes anything.
Oh, if you do some research, you might find that the land in question is one of only 2 access points for the people who inhabit the inner earth. And it is needed by the Venusians ad the Martians for trade purposes. The whole "cattle grazing" is just a smoke screen.
There, now I have actually posted more info than you have, Pauli, and with just as much evidence.
Either discuss facts or sit down and let the grownups talk.
We get back to green energy vs the environment and green energy has big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and the government is selling out the desert.
