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I am not the only one who sees those as partisan decisions.

That's ok. A multiple number of folks "seeing" decisions as "partisan decisions" also doesn't make it so.

Quantifying the decisions with actual numbers does.

Is the U.S. Supreme Court Following a Political Agenda


Yet, jurisprudence scholarship does suggest that something has changed: the court is becoming more partisan. According to a 2009 study conducted by Richard Posner and William Landes, John Robert’s court has the most partisan bench in history. The rising wave of partisanship that has swept through Congress and the White House is matched by the growing polarization of the Supreme Court.


How the Supreme Court Justices Line Up Source: Pew Research Center

The growing polarization manifests itself in the long string of 5-to-4 decisions made by the Roberts Court. In two of the most recent courts, more than 20 percent of all decisions decided by 5-to-4 votes, and that means that the rulings that have the greatest potential to influence the lives of the American public are regularly decided by the narrowest margin. Furthermore, legal scholars consider those narrow 5-to-4 decisions to be the most political, while research shows that those rulings often overturned by later courts. Even more importantly, they do not convey the same moral authority as more unanimous opinions.

That concerns Chief Justice John Roberts, whose court has decided more cases by the 5-to-4 margin than any other. “I do think the rule of law is threatened by a steady term after term after term focus on 5-4 decisions,” Roberts told The New Republic‘s Jeffrey Rosen in 2006. “I think the Court is ripe for a similar refocus on functioning as an institution, because if it doesn’t, it’s going to lose its credibility and legitimacy as an institution.” During his 2005 confirmation hearing he also told lawmakers that he would attempt to implement “a greater degree of coherence and consensus in the opinions of the court,” citing former Chief Justice Earl Warren’s leadership in Brown v. Board of Education as an example.

The Roberts Court’s partisan, 5-to-4 decisions have upheld the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act’s individual insurance mandate as well as an individuals’ right to gun ownership, limited class-action suits as well as an employee’s right to file a pay discrimination, and allowed unlimited corporate and union campaign spending. Votes on immigration, arbitration rights, voting rights, and the legality of legislative prayer were similarly divided.

Unsurprisingly, analysis conducted by Posner and Landes showed that the more ideologically polarized the Court is — meaning the greater the divide between the most conservative justice and the most liberal justice — the more often cases are decided by a 5-to-4 margin. This court is also the most conservative since the New Deal. Posner and Landes ranked 43 Supreme Court justices who served between 1937, when dissents were rare and justices rarely divided along party lines, and 2006, in terms of political ideology. They found that four of the five most conservative justices — Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia, John Roberts, Samuel Alito, and William Rehnquist– were sitting on the bench as of 2005, while the current liberal-leaning justices do no place in the top five. Ruth Bader Ginsburg was the only sitting judge to rank among the top ten most liberal justices.​



Read more: Is the U.S. Supreme Court Following a Political Agenda

That is still folks deciding that a decision is left or right as the basis for their assigning of values to the respective decisions.

I suspect the process might come down more to the notion that the liberal jurists are prone to ignoring the strictures of the Constitution BECAUSE the legislation that made the laws or the policies that implemented the laws were political in nature AND willfully disobedient to the Constitutional strictures. Therefore, any ruling that properly tries to weight the Constitutional commands in the analysis would APPEAR to be a partisan decision.

It is fallacious to believe that justices would never allow their personal biases to influence their decisions. They are just as human as you and I and that is reflected in the way they vote. When you see a preponderance of decisions were both sides agree then that is an indication that it was decided on Constitutional merits. On the other hand when you see split decisions that is an indication of a polarized court that is making political decisions.

What we have today is a SCOTUS that reflects Republican appointments to the bench since they have been in the Oval office for 20 of the last 34 years.
Republican appointments does not always equal Republicans get what they want. Most of the time justices try and keep politics out of the decision. You may be confusing judicial philosophy with political partisanship -- sounds like that is what you are doing

I uphold your right to your opinion and I reserve the right to my own.
 
no scholars? ok.

the definition of partisan you are using might be so broad as to make every cough and sneeze on the court an act of partisanship.
Every single justice on this current court has disappointed what you'd view as political allies. As Dante said before he believes there are a few cases that broke tradition, one being Bush v Gore

Since you persist in using the "legal scholar standard" isn't the onus on you to demonstrate that a preponderance of legal scholars agree with you that the court is not partisan?
nope. didn't say it was a standard. was looking for an informed opinion

you were asked if you could name any legal scholars that shared your opinion:

you: "We have ample evidence that justices make decisions for partisan political purposes."
Dante: "really? Name a few legal scholars that agree with you"

Enjoy!

1) http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/28/us/politics/in-the-court-split-seemed-partisan.html?_r=0

2) Law Professor Calls Supreme Court s Voting Rights Restrictions Purely Partisan

3) Is the U.S. Supreme Court Following a Political Agenda

4) Tracking Supreme Court justices rulings principles of law or politics MinnPost

1) the article you linked to is one I use to highlight how wrong some people are. Your linked author suppose d wrongly on Kennedy and Roberts ...

2) the order appeared to be along ideological lines, not partisan lines.ideological lines in the Supreme Court are predictors that often make some legal experts look like the fools they are.
your link says 'some scholars' without naming them or the reasoning of the unnamed

3) the author is a journalist and not a legal scholar and she asks silly questions

4) another political writer

And yet you still cannot quote a single legal scholar that supports your position. Easy enough to gainsay but without substance supporting your position you have nothing.

IF some alleged legal scholars could be found (which would first require looking) that wouldn't prove anything anyway. Scholars not agreeing?

The horror!
 
no scholars? ok.

the definition of partisan you are using might be so broad as to make every cough and sneeze on the court an act of partisanship.
Every single justice on this current court has disappointed what you'd view as political allies. As Dante said before he believes there are a few cases that broke tradition, one being Bush v Gore

Since you persist in using the "legal scholar standard" isn't the onus on you to demonstrate that a preponderance of legal scholars agree with you that the court is not partisan?
nope. didn't say it was a standard. was looking for an informed opinion

you were asked if you could name any legal scholars that shared your opinion:

you: "We have ample evidence that justices make decisions for partisan political purposes."
Dante: "really? Name a few legal scholars that agree with you"

Enjoy!

1) http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/28/us/politics/in-the-court-split-seemed-partisan.html?_r=0

2) Law Professor Calls Supreme Court s Voting Rights Restrictions Purely Partisan

3) Is the U.S. Supreme Court Following a Political Agenda

4) Tracking Supreme Court justices rulings principles of law or politics MinnPost

1) the article you linked to is one I use to highlight how wrong some people are. Your linked author suppose d wrongly on Kennedy and Roberts ...

2) the order appeared to be along ideological lines, not partisan lines.ideological lines in the Supreme Court are predictors that often make some legal experts look like the fools they are.
your link says 'some scholars' without naming them or the reasoning of the unnamed

3) the author is a journalist and not a legal scholar and she asks silly questions

4) another political writer

And yet you still cannot quote a single legal scholar that supports your position. Easy enough to gainsay but without substance supporting your position you have nothing.


you are confusing judicial philosophy with political philosophy.

it is why you would most likely be surprised by most court rulings and their legal arguments
 
We need to ban pot and push fags back into the closet. Putin has the right idea.

Speaking of non-informative spews.

Gays should be left entirely alone. You mindless bigot.

If there is something really all that wrong with pot (and I guess it's possible) then the shit should be scientifically studied, evaluated and the entire legalization versus criminalization issue addressed fairly and honestly. That might even be a basis for sound public policy.
Sodomy seems pretty mindless as well. Its almost as if engaging in such acts would suggest a higher rate of mental illness among homosexuals or something. Who would have thought.

By the way, the "SCIENCE!" is in you degenerate.
http://jn.sfn.org/press/April-16-2014-Issue/zns01614005529.pdf

Sodomy is a LEGAL term for a particular kind of sex act. Gays may do it more or less of necessity, but plenty of straight folks do it too. It is not an abnormality, you clump of sod.

And no. The science is NOT in. One study is not "the" science. It may be a legitimate study and it maybe SHOULD be part of the whole scientific inquiry.

Nothing in any of that makes me a "degenerate" since it says nothing about my hypothetical past or present use of weed. And nothing I have said in support of gay rights makes me a homosexual either.

YOU remain a walking anachronism, however.

It is ironic that you take PRIDE in being a slovenly-thinking bigot.
LOL at how fucking a guy in the ass is a "necessity". Why don't you tell us more about your personal life?

Anyways, homosexuals have a high rate of mental illness, so engaging in these disgusting acts. It fits the pattern of behavior of a mentally ill person.

It isn't "one study". There are multiple studies, and I am not going to link them all, because you are going to keep insisting "SCIENCE!" shows pot isn't harmful or there is no concrete proof or whatever, and ignore studies that don't confirm your previous pothead bias.
What are marijuana s long-term effects on the brain National Institute on Drug Abuse NIDA

You are a high strung nerd. Are you a woman or a low-t man?
 
That's ok. A multiple number of folks "seeing" decisions as "partisan decisions" also doesn't make it so.

Quantifying the decisions with actual numbers does.

Is the U.S. Supreme Court Following a Political Agenda


Yet, jurisprudence scholarship does suggest that something has changed: the court is becoming more partisan. According to a 2009 study conducted by Richard Posner and William Landes, John Robert’s court has the most partisan bench in history. The rising wave of partisanship that has swept through Congress and the White House is matched by the growing polarization of the Supreme Court.


How the Supreme Court Justices Line Up Source: Pew Research Center

The growing polarization manifests itself in the long string of 5-to-4 decisions made by the Roberts Court. In two of the most recent courts, more than 20 percent of all decisions decided by 5-to-4 votes, and that means that the rulings that have the greatest potential to influence the lives of the American public are regularly decided by the narrowest margin. Furthermore, legal scholars consider those narrow 5-to-4 decisions to be the most political, while research shows that those rulings often overturned by later courts. Even more importantly, they do not convey the same moral authority as more unanimous opinions.

That concerns Chief Justice John Roberts, whose court has decided more cases by the 5-to-4 margin than any other. “I do think the rule of law is threatened by a steady term after term after term focus on 5-4 decisions,” Roberts told The New Republic‘s Jeffrey Rosen in 2006. “I think the Court is ripe for a similar refocus on functioning as an institution, because if it doesn’t, it’s going to lose its credibility and legitimacy as an institution.” During his 2005 confirmation hearing he also told lawmakers that he would attempt to implement “a greater degree of coherence and consensus in the opinions of the court,” citing former Chief Justice Earl Warren’s leadership in Brown v. Board of Education as an example.

The Roberts Court’s partisan, 5-to-4 decisions have upheld the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act’s individual insurance mandate as well as an individuals’ right to gun ownership, limited class-action suits as well as an employee’s right to file a pay discrimination, and allowed unlimited corporate and union campaign spending. Votes on immigration, arbitration rights, voting rights, and the legality of legislative prayer were similarly divided.

Unsurprisingly, analysis conducted by Posner and Landes showed that the more ideologically polarized the Court is — meaning the greater the divide between the most conservative justice and the most liberal justice — the more often cases are decided by a 5-to-4 margin. This court is also the most conservative since the New Deal. Posner and Landes ranked 43 Supreme Court justices who served between 1937, when dissents were rare and justices rarely divided along party lines, and 2006, in terms of political ideology. They found that four of the five most conservative justices — Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia, John Roberts, Samuel Alito, and William Rehnquist– were sitting on the bench as of 2005, while the current liberal-leaning justices do no place in the top five. Ruth Bader Ginsburg was the only sitting judge to rank among the top ten most liberal justices.​



Read more: Is the U.S. Supreme Court Following a Political Agenda

That is still folks deciding that a decision is left or right as the basis for their assigning of values to the respective decisions.

I suspect the process might come down more to the notion that the liberal jurists are prone to ignoring the strictures of the Constitution BECAUSE the legislation that made the laws or the policies that implemented the laws were political in nature AND willfully disobedient to the Constitutional strictures. Therefore, any ruling that properly tries to weight the Constitutional commands in the analysis would APPEAR to be a partisan decision.

It is fallacious to believe that justices would never allow their personal biases to influence their decisions. They are just as human as you and I and that is reflected in the way they vote. When you see a preponderance of decisions were both sides agree then that is an indication that it was decided on Constitutional merits. On the other hand when you see split decisions that is an indication of a polarized court that is making political decisions.

What we have today is a SCOTUS that reflects Republican appointments to the bench since they have been in the Oval office for 20 of the last 34 years.
Republican appointments does not always equal Republicans get what they want. Most of the time justices try and keep politics out of the decision. You may be confusing judicial philosophy with political partisanship -- sounds like that is what you are doing

I uphold your right to your opinion and I reserve the right to my own.
nothing in life being fair, you cannot keep pushing an uninformed and confused opinion as equal. your ignorance and stubbornness gets in the way of acknowledging very simple mistakes in your knowledge and opinions. when confronted you get defensive and become even more ignorant.

open up and accept when you are wrong, in error, full of shit
 
Since you persist in using the "legal scholar standard" isn't the onus on you to demonstrate that a preponderance of legal scholars agree with you that the court is not partisan?
nope. didn't say it was a standard. was looking for an informed opinion

you were asked if you could name any legal scholars that shared your opinion:

you: "We have ample evidence that justices make decisions for partisan political purposes."
Dante: "really? Name a few legal scholars that agree with you"

Enjoy!

1) http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/28/us/politics/in-the-court-split-seemed-partisan.html?_r=0

2) Law Professor Calls Supreme Court s Voting Rights Restrictions Purely Partisan

3) Is the U.S. Supreme Court Following a Political Agenda

4) Tracking Supreme Court justices rulings principles of law or politics MinnPost

1) the article you linked to is one I use to highlight how wrong some people are. Your linked author suppose d wrongly on Kennedy and Roberts ...

2) the order appeared to be along ideological lines, not partisan lines.ideological lines in the Supreme Court are predictors that often make some legal experts look like the fools they are.
your link says 'some scholars' without naming them or the reasoning of the unnamed

3) the author is a journalist and not a legal scholar and she asks silly questions

4) another political writer

And yet you still cannot quote a single legal scholar that supports your position. Easy enough to gainsay but without substance supporting your position you have nothing.

IF some alleged legal scholars could be found (which would first require looking) that wouldn't prove anything anyway. Scholars not agreeing?

The horror!
what is wrong with Illman is the point about legal scholars wasn''t to prove anything one way or the other. Dante brought it up in the context of asking how informed another poster's opinion may or may not be
 
We need to ban pot and push fags back into the closet. Putin has the right idea.

Speaking of non-informative spews.

Gays should be left entirely alone. You mindless bigot.

If there is something really all that wrong with pot (and I guess it's possible) then the shit should be scientifically studied, evaluated and the entire legalization versus criminalization issue addressed fairly and honestly. That might even be a basis for sound public policy.
pot harms users, as do other chemicals and drugs. pot is not harmless. how it harms society is society's business.

Alcohol and prescription drugs harm people too.
Moderate alcohol use isn't associated with brain damage like marijuana is.

Your prescription drug argument doesn't follow, there is no comparison. Yes, people abuse prescription drugs, illegally, generally. When monitored by a doctor with an actual prescription, there is no comparison with self-medicating with marijuana.
 
Quantifying the decisions with actual numbers does.

Is the U.S. Supreme Court Following a Political Agenda


Yet, jurisprudence scholarship does suggest that something has changed: the court is becoming more partisan. According to a 2009 study conducted by Richard Posner and William Landes, John Robert’s court has the most partisan bench in history. The rising wave of partisanship that has swept through Congress and the White House is matched by the growing polarization of the Supreme Court.


How the Supreme Court Justices Line Up Source: Pew Research Center

The growing polarization manifests itself in the long string of 5-to-4 decisions made by the Roberts Court. In two of the most recent courts, more than 20 percent of all decisions decided by 5-to-4 votes, and that means that the rulings that have the greatest potential to influence the lives of the American public are regularly decided by the narrowest margin. Furthermore, legal scholars consider those narrow 5-to-4 decisions to be the most political, while research shows that those rulings often overturned by later courts. Even more importantly, they do not convey the same moral authority as more unanimous opinions.

That concerns Chief Justice John Roberts, whose court has decided more cases by the 5-to-4 margin than any other. “I do think the rule of law is threatened by a steady term after term after term focus on 5-4 decisions,” Roberts told The New Republic‘s Jeffrey Rosen in 2006. “I think the Court is ripe for a similar refocus on functioning as an institution, because if it doesn’t, it’s going to lose its credibility and legitimacy as an institution.” During his 2005 confirmation hearing he also told lawmakers that he would attempt to implement “a greater degree of coherence and consensus in the opinions of the court,” citing former Chief Justice Earl Warren’s leadership in Brown v. Board of Education as an example.

The Roberts Court’s partisan, 5-to-4 decisions have upheld the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act’s individual insurance mandate as well as an individuals’ right to gun ownership, limited class-action suits as well as an employee’s right to file a pay discrimination, and allowed unlimited corporate and union campaign spending. Votes on immigration, arbitration rights, voting rights, and the legality of legislative prayer were similarly divided.

Unsurprisingly, analysis conducted by Posner and Landes showed that the more ideologically polarized the Court is — meaning the greater the divide between the most conservative justice and the most liberal justice — the more often cases are decided by a 5-to-4 margin. This court is also the most conservative since the New Deal. Posner and Landes ranked 43 Supreme Court justices who served between 1937, when dissents were rare and justices rarely divided along party lines, and 2006, in terms of political ideology. They found that four of the five most conservative justices — Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia, John Roberts, Samuel Alito, and William Rehnquist– were sitting on the bench as of 2005, while the current liberal-leaning justices do no place in the top five. Ruth Bader Ginsburg was the only sitting judge to rank among the top ten most liberal justices.​



Read more: Is the U.S. Supreme Court Following a Political Agenda

That is still folks deciding that a decision is left or right as the basis for their assigning of values to the respective decisions.

I suspect the process might come down more to the notion that the liberal jurists are prone to ignoring the strictures of the Constitution BECAUSE the legislation that made the laws or the policies that implemented the laws were political in nature AND willfully disobedient to the Constitutional strictures. Therefore, any ruling that properly tries to weight the Constitutional commands in the analysis would APPEAR to be a partisan decision.

It is fallacious to believe that justices would never allow their personal biases to influence their decisions. They are just as human as you and I and that is reflected in the way they vote. When you see a preponderance of decisions were both sides agree then that is an indication that it was decided on Constitutional merits. On the other hand when you see split decisions that is an indication of a polarized court that is making political decisions.

What we have today is a SCOTUS that reflects Republican appointments to the bench since they have been in the Oval office for 20 of the last 34 years.
Republican appointments does not always equal Republicans get what they want. Most of the time justices try and keep politics out of the decision. You may be confusing judicial philosophy with political partisanship -- sounds like that is what you are doing

I uphold your right to your opinion and I reserve the right to my own.
nothing in life being fair, you cannot keep pushing an uninformed and confused opinion as equal. your ignorance and stubbornness gets in the way of acknowledging very simple mistakes in your knowledge and opinions. when confronted you get defensive and become even more ignorant.

open up and accept when you are wrong, in error, full of shit

Still waiting for you to provide anything other than your "opinion" proving me "wrong". You have been asked to do so repeatedly and have consistently failed. That tells me that you don't have anything of value to support your "opinion".
 
Also, the fact marijuana causes brain damage is just confirmed by common sense and observing the average stoner.
 
Since you persist in using the "legal scholar standard" isn't the onus on you to demonstrate that a preponderance of legal scholars agree with you that the court is not partisan?
nope. didn't say it was a standard. was looking for an informed opinion

you were asked if you could name any legal scholars that shared your opinion:

you: "We have ample evidence that justices make decisions for partisan political purposes."
Dante: "really? Name a few legal scholars that agree with you"

Enjoy!

1) http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/28/us/politics/in-the-court-split-seemed-partisan.html?_r=0

2) Law Professor Calls Supreme Court s Voting Rights Restrictions Purely Partisan

3) Is the U.S. Supreme Court Following a Political Agenda

4) Tracking Supreme Court justices rulings principles of law or politics MinnPost

1) the article you linked to is one I use to highlight how wrong some people are. Your linked author suppose d wrongly on Kennedy and Roberts ...

2) the order appeared to be along ideological lines, not partisan lines.ideological lines in the Supreme Court are predictors that often make some legal experts look like the fools they are.
your link says 'some scholars' without naming them or the reasoning of the unnamed

3) the author is a journalist and not a legal scholar and she asks silly questions

4) another political writer

And yet you still cannot quote a single legal scholar that supports your position. Easy enough to gainsay but without substance supporting your position you have nothing.

IF some alleged legal scholars could be found (which would first require looking) that wouldn't prove anything anyway. Scholars not agreeing?

The horror!

It would lead credence to Dante's "opinion" however he has consistently failed to find even one.
 
That is still folks deciding that a decision is left or right as the basis for their assigning of values to the respective decisions.

I suspect the process might come down more to the notion that the liberal jurists are prone to ignoring the strictures of the Constitution BECAUSE the legislation that made the laws or the policies that implemented the laws were political in nature AND willfully disobedient to the Constitutional strictures. Therefore, any ruling that properly tries to weight the Constitutional commands in the analysis would APPEAR to be a partisan decision.

It is fallacious to believe that justices would never allow their personal biases to influence their decisions. They are just as human as you and I and that is reflected in the way they vote. When you see a preponderance of decisions were both sides agree then that is an indication that it was decided on Constitutional merits. On the other hand when you see split decisions that is an indication of a polarized court that is making political decisions.

What we have today is a SCOTUS that reflects Republican appointments to the bench since they have been in the Oval office for 20 of the last 34 years.
Republican appointments does not always equal Republicans get what they want. Most of the time justices try and keep politics out of the decision. You may be confusing judicial philosophy with political partisanship -- sounds like that is what you are doing

I uphold your right to your opinion and I reserve the right to my own.
nothing in life being fair, you cannot keep pushing an uninformed and confused opinion as equal. your ignorance and stubbornness gets in the way of acknowledging very simple mistakes in your knowledge and opinions. when confronted you get defensive and become even more ignorant.

open up and accept when you are wrong, in error, full of shit

Still waiting for you to provide anything other than your "opinion" proving me "wrong". You have been asked to do so repeatedly and have consistently failed. That tells me that you don't have anything of value to support your "opinion".

the point back then wasn't about you being right or wrong, it was about the soundness of your opinion. as far as it being wrong? How do I argue with somebody who confuses political positions with a justice's judicial philosophy.

I pointed out how justices often disappoint political allies or people who seem to think justices are on their side of particular issues
 
We need to ban pot and push fags back into the closet. Putin has the right idea.

Speaking of non-informative spews.

Gays should be left entirely alone. You mindless bigot.

If there is something really all that wrong with pot (and I guess it's possible) then the shit should be scientifically studied, evaluated and the entire legalization versus criminalization issue addressed fairly and honestly. That might even be a basis for sound public policy.
pot harms users, as do other chemicals and drugs. pot is not harmless. how it harms society is society's business.

Alcohol and prescription drugs harm people too.
Moderate alcohol use isn't associated with brain damage like marijuana is.

Your prescription drug argument doesn't follow, there is no comparison. Yes, people abuse prescription drugs, illegally, generally. When monitored by a doctor with an actual prescription, there is no comparison with self-medicating with marijuana.







Yes it is. Every drop of alcohol kills brain cells. It's a poison, just like marijuana. It is actually worse, for most people, and causes far more damage and medical costs than pot does. Those are facts.
 
nope. didn't say it was a standard. was looking for an informed opinion

you were asked if you could name any legal scholars that shared your opinion:

you: "We have ample evidence that justices make decisions for partisan political purposes."
Dante: "really? Name a few legal scholars that agree with you"

Enjoy!

1) http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/28/us/politics/in-the-court-split-seemed-partisan.html?_r=0

2) Law Professor Calls Supreme Court s Voting Rights Restrictions Purely Partisan

3) Is the U.S. Supreme Court Following a Political Agenda

4) Tracking Supreme Court justices rulings principles of law or politics MinnPost

1) the article you linked to is one I use to highlight how wrong some people are. Your linked author suppose d wrongly on Kennedy and Roberts ...

2) the order appeared to be along ideological lines, not partisan lines.ideological lines in the Supreme Court are predictors that often make some legal experts look like the fools they are.
your link says 'some scholars' without naming them or the reasoning of the unnamed

3) the author is a journalist and not a legal scholar and she asks silly questions

4) another political writer

And yet you still cannot quote a single legal scholar that supports your position. Easy enough to gainsay but without substance supporting your position you have nothing.

IF some alleged legal scholars could be found (which would first require looking) that wouldn't prove anything anyway. Scholars not agreeing?

The horror!

It would lead credence to Dante's "opinion" however he has consistently failed to find even one.
If you mean Dante's position stated here. it was that the Court has a tradition that is rarely broken, of leaving politics on the sidelines. It goes to judicial philosophy ruling the court and not politics. This position is shared by most every credible legal scholar
 
We need to ban pot and push fags back into the closet. Putin has the right idea.

Speaking of non-informative spews.

Gays should be left entirely alone. You mindless bigot.

If there is something really all that wrong with pot (and I guess it's possible) then the shit should be scientifically studied, evaluated and the entire legalization versus criminalization issue addressed fairly and honestly. That might even be a basis for sound public policy.
pot harms users, as do other chemicals and drugs. pot is not harmless. how it harms society is society's business.

Alcohol and prescription drugs harm people too.
Moderate alcohol use isn't associated with brain damage like marijuana is.

Your prescription drug argument doesn't follow, there is no comparison. Yes, people abuse prescription drugs, illegally, generally. When monitored by a doctor with an actual prescription, there is no comparison with self-medicating with marijuana.







Yes it is. Every drop of alcohol kills brain cells. It's a poison, just like marijuana. It is actually worse, for most people, and causes far more damage and medical costs than pot does. Those are facts.
No.

You are just an idiot.

When was the last time you blazed?
 
We need to ban pot and push fags back into the closet. Putin has the right idea.

Speaking of non-informative spews.

Gays should be left entirely alone. You mindless bigot.

If there is something really all that wrong with pot (and I guess it's possible) then the shit should be scientifically studied, evaluated and the entire legalization versus criminalization issue addressed fairly and honestly. That might even be a basis for sound public policy.
pot harms users, as do other chemicals and drugs. pot is not harmless. how it harms society is society's business.

Alcohol and prescription drugs harm people too.
Moderate alcohol use isn't associated with brain damage like marijuana is.

Your prescription drug argument doesn't follow, there is no comparison. Yes, people abuse prescription drugs, illegally, generally. When monitored by a doctor with an actual prescription, there is no comparison with self-medicating with marijuana.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

Alcohol does cause brain and other damage. So do Rx drugs when taken as prescribed (as evidenced by the FDA studies and disclaimers). There have been almost no studies on brain damage on marijuana because such studies have been proscribed by the phony war on drugs.

Onus is on you to prove your claims.
 
If Roberts joins the majority and authors the opinion he will be vilified by the extreme right.

That will be the political price that he will have to weigh in his decision. Personally I hope he has the courage to tell them to shove it and does what it right for this nation as a whole instead of pandering to the worst of the worst.

So what? Are you one of those who think the justices usually put their fingers to the political winds before deciding every case?

We have ample evidence that justices make decisions for partisan political purposes.
really? Name a few legal scholars that agree with you

Bush v Gore was a partisan decision.

Citizens United was a partisan decision.

Repeal of Voting Rights Act was a partisan decision.

Striking down the amount an individual can donate to a campaign was a partisan decision.

Striking down the abortion clinic protest zone was a partisan decision.

Exempting workers from unions was a partisan decision.

Hobby Lobby was a partisan decision.

The current SCOTUS is the most conservative in almost a century.

Saying that any one (or more) of those decisions was a "partisan" decision doesn't make it so.
5-4

Can you get more partisan?
 
It is fallacious to believe that justices would never allow their personal biases to influence their decisions. They are just as human as you and I and that is reflected in the way they vote. When you see a preponderance of decisions were both sides agree then that is an indication that it was decided on Constitutional merits. On the other hand when you see split decisions that is an indication of a polarized court that is making political decisions.

What we have today is a SCOTUS that reflects Republican appointments to the bench since they have been in the Oval office for 20 of the last 34 years.
Republican appointments does not always equal Republicans get what they want. Most of the time justices try and keep politics out of the decision. You may be confusing judicial philosophy with political partisanship -- sounds like that is what you are doing

I uphold your right to your opinion and I reserve the right to my own.
nothing in life being fair, you cannot keep pushing an uninformed and confused opinion as equal. your ignorance and stubbornness gets in the way of acknowledging very simple mistakes in your knowledge and opinions. when confronted you get defensive and become even more ignorant.

open up and accept when you are wrong, in error, full of shit

Still waiting for you to provide anything other than your "opinion" proving me "wrong". You have been asked to do so repeatedly and have consistently failed. That tells me that you don't have anything of value to support your "opinion".

the point back then wasn't about you being right or wrong, it was about the soundness of your opinion. as far as it being wrong? How do I argue with somebody who confuses political positions with a justice's judicial philosophy.

I pointed out how justices often disappoint political allies or people who seem to think justices are on their side of particular issues

You alleged that my opinion was "uninformed and confused". The onus is on you to substantiate that claim. You haven't provided anything other than your own gainsaying "opinion" to date.
 

1) the article you linked to is one I use to highlight how wrong some people are. Your linked author suppose d wrongly on Kennedy and Roberts ...

2) the order appeared to be along ideological lines, not partisan lines.ideological lines in the Supreme Court are predictors that often make some legal experts look like the fools they are.
your link says 'some scholars' without naming them or the reasoning of the unnamed

3) the author is a journalist and not a legal scholar and she asks silly questions

4) another political writer

And yet you still cannot quote a single legal scholar that supports your position. Easy enough to gainsay but without substance supporting your position you have nothing.

IF some alleged legal scholars could be found (which would first require looking) that wouldn't prove anything anyway. Scholars not agreeing?

The horror!

It would lead credence to Dante's "opinion" however he has consistently failed to find even one.
If you mean Dante's position stated here. it was that the Court has a tradition that is rarely broken, of leaving politics on the sidelines. It goes to judicial philosophy ruling the court and not politics. This position is shared by most every credible legal scholar


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The SCOTUS a has consistently pussied out on ruling on marriage equality. I'm saying they can again...if they get rid of DOMA.
legal arguments? why fall into ideological arguments and insults that only further divisiveness?

What are you talking about? The SCOTUS has been pussying out on gay marriage. You cannot deny that fact. They have intentionally NOT been ruling on this issue and sending it back to the lower courts. They have been big fat PUSSIES!

I say fine...if they don't want to rule on marriage equality for the whole country, don't. All they would have to do to shut up all the gays is to strike down the rest of DOMA. If Alabama doesn't want to marry gays, fine don't...BUT a civil marriage performed in CA should be recognized in AL.
How a case is being argued is how it gets to the Court.

Saying they have pussied out, shows ignorance about how the system works. When you try and psychoanalyze you fail

The SCOTUS could have ended this once and for all and ruled on Prop 8...they didn't...they pussied out.
How? Traditionally the Court does not and shouldn't just do anything it wants. although in a few cases it looks like a split majority has. Are you saying a faction within the Court should have acted as one did in Bush v Gore?

What exactly were the constitutional issue(s) regarding Prop 8? Do you even know? If not stick with the political arguments in the politics forum. :D
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