Brootherhood Obama Leaps Into Action

[PoliticalChic]

You have proven to be a lying walking human offal....the above addressed the fascist nature of the Muslim Brotherhood, and explains the reason no self-respecting person would support same.

Therefore, it would come as no surprise to find you supporting same.

For someone so sure of yourself you certain have a track record of being unable to defend any of your positions when challenged on them. Doesn't speak very highly of the actual confidence that you have in your own opinions.

You can try to change the subject....but I refuse to overlook your dishonesty.

You can run but you can't hide.

 

[Osomir]

You can try to change the subject....but I refuse to overlook your dishonesty.

You can run but you can't hide.

How was me directly responding to your OP on a point by point basis me changing the subject?

 

[Sunshine]

[MENTION=12394]PoliticalChic[/MENTION]

I have one question. Tell me what you think. Can we recover from this administration. For me personally, I don't think it matters as I doubt I will outlive this term. If I do you can color me surprised. But I think of my children when I ask as they are likely about your age. I see them becoming more conservative as time goes by. What say you? Will the US be there for them or should they start looking for other digs?

 

[Bloodrock44]

[MENTION=12394]PoliticalChic[/MENTION]

I have one question. Tell me what you think. Can we recover from this administration. For me personally, I don't think it matters as I doubt I will outlive this term. If I do you can color me surprised. But I think of my children when I ask as they are likely about your age. I see them becoming more conservative as time goes by. What say you? Will the US be there for them or should they start looking for other digs?

I know you directed the question at PoliticalChic so I hope you don't mind if I chime in. I have been following politics since Kennedy. Our downfall began with Johnson and his Great Society which led to the destruction of the black family. Carter came near killing our economy but we were strong then and recovered nicely. I don't see us recovering from this administration as I feel they are intentionally destroying this country. I also see an intentional effort at polarizing Americans. Left against right, black against white and rich against poor. In the end I foresee violence. We are declining faster than Rome did and it's not going to be pretty. Unfortunately, I don't see a better place for your children to go.

 

[Bloodrock44]

Maybe you need to take a reading comprehension course or an ESL class.

Your reliance on personal attacks does nothing but demonstrate how little confidence you have in your own position on the subject. Someone who actually knew what they were talking about wouldn't need them.

What personal attack? It's obvious you had zero comprehension of the OP so I made a simple suggestion. What do we need to do? Draw pictures for you?

 

[Osomir]

Maybe you need to take a reading comprehension course or an ESL class.

Your reliance on personal attacks does nothing but demonstrate how little confidence you have in your own position on the subject. Someone who actually knew what they were talking about wouldn't need them.

What personal attack? It's obvious you had zero comprehension of the OP so I made a simple suggestion. What do we need to do? Draw pictures for you?

If i'm really that dumb then why have you and politicalchic been afraid to discuss the actual topic of the thread with me and unable to substantively respond to my OP?

I mean; if I'm supposed to be in the ESL class and you guys can't even counter my post then where does that put you?

 

[proudveteran06]

Obama had Brotherhood in his heart from day one....with representatives of the Brotherhood right in the front row at the Cairo speech.

The Brotherhood was / is the largest political opposition organization within Egypt. Ignoring them would be horrible policy.



Then why didn't he label the military take over a coup in support of the Brotherhood? Doesn't that rather go against your notion?



How is the military, staging a coup and kicking out a democratically elected president, dissolving a democratically elected parliament, suspending a democratically elected constitution, and then killing hundreds of people them acting as a stabilizing force?



Do you not deplore deadly violence against civilians?

When are American Leftists going to connect the dots and realize who they put in charge????

Who WE put in charge? The Muslim Brotherhood came to power pretty naturally on their own.

Yes, Ahmed...who WE put in charge. We made damned sure Mubarek was deposed and then backed the Hood. We are still backing them. Quit playing stupid, or is it for real?

He IS stupid !

 

[PoliticalChic]

[MENTION=12394]PoliticalChic[/MENTION]

I have one question. Tell me what you think. Can we recover from this administration. For me personally, I don't think it matters as I doubt I will outlive this term. If I do you can color me surprised. But I think of my children when I ask as they are likely about your age. I see them becoming more conservative as time goes by. What say you? Will the US be there for them or should they start looking for other digs?

Stay with us Sunshine.
It is not just your voice, by your attitude the nation needs.


The short answer is, unless, somehow, the schools and the media return to the positions they had before WWII, the United States will continue on it's current trajectory.
We should teach our children, and grandchildren, what is right, and what this nation was.


No...there is no place else to go. While not what it once was, there still is no place better, nor with the potential that this nation has.


Hey....let's lighten this up!!

It's the very fact that we have these children, and that we can still speak this way, that keeps the Sunshine here!!!

Take good care!


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3giK6DbSVA]Bobby McFerrin - Don't Worry Be Happy - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Sunshine]

[MENTION=12394]PoliticalChic[/MENTION]

I have one question. Tell me what you think. Can we recover from this administration. For me personally, I don't think it matters as I doubt I will outlive this term. If I do you can color me surprised. But I think of my children when I ask as they are likely about your age. I see them becoming more conservative as time goes by. What say you? Will the US be there for them or should they start looking for other digs?

Stay with us Sunshine.
It is not just your voice, by your attitude the nation needs.


The short answer is, unless, somehow, the schools and the media return to the positions they had before WWII, the United States will continue on it's current trajectory.
We should teach our children, and grandchildren, what is right, and what this nation was.


No...there is no place else to go. While not what it once was, there still is no place better, nor with the potential that this nation has.


Hey....let's lighten this up!!

It's the very fact that we have these children, and that we can still speak this way, that keeps the Sunshine here!!!

Take good care!


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3giK6DbSVA]Bobby McFerrin - Don't Worry Be Happy - YouTube[/ame]

I do find myself being thankful my daughter married a foreigner. Imagine, feudalism now seems the best option! LOL.

 

[freedombecki]

Friend of mine lives in Egypt. He just posted today on FB about the violence and horrific mutilation of Police officers taking place at the hands of the Brotherhood.

I'm especially sorry for the police officers and their families.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Friend of mine lives in Egypt. He just posted today on FB about the violence and horrific mutilation of Police officers taking place at the hands of the Brotherhood.

I'm especially sorry for the police officers and their families.

becki....

I've been on this board long enough to recognize willful blindness....but how much pro-Islamofascism must this President reveal before the media, the public, reacts???


From his Cairo speech, throwing leaders who keep the peace in the Middle East under the bus so as to make room for the savages of al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood, to calling Nidal Hasan's treachery 'workplace violence' (just heard that he walked up and down shooting the wounded), to this display: punishing the Egyptian army for restraining these killers.....

How can this be allowed to go on?


"The army seems determined to decapitate the Middle East's oldest and arguably most resilient Islamist movement, to prevent it from preparing a political comeback after President Mohamed Mursi, one of its senior leaders, was ousted on July 3."
Yahoo! News Canada - Latest News & Headlines

Everyone understand what 'Islamist' means??

Burning Coptic churches......

Where are Obama's leanings?
Isn't it clear?



"Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope."—Muslim Brotherhood


"The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in 1928 by Hasan al-Banna....Al-Banna based his ideas that Islam was not only a religious observance, but a comprehensive way of life, on the tenets of Wahhabism, better known today as "Islamism",... started performing terrorist acts inside of Egypt,..."
Bloody History of Muslim Brotherhood



Let's be very clear: Obama's tacit support of the Muslim Brotherhood must be seen as support for shari'a.
Say what he will.....this is what he wants for the Middle East.....at least.

 

[Osomir]

Friend of mine lives in Egypt. He just posted today on FB about the violence and horrific mutilation of Police officers taking place at the hands of the Brotherhood.

I'm especially sorry for the police officers and their families.

becki....

I've been on this board long enough to recognize willful blindness....but how much pro-Islamofascism must this President reveal before the media, the public, reacts???


From his Cairo speech, throwing leaders who keep the peace in the Middle East under the bus so as to make room for the savages of al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood, to calling Nidal Hasan's treachery 'workplace violence' (just heard that he walked up and down shooting the wounded), to this display: punishing the Egyptian army for restraining these killers.....

How can this be allowed to go on?


"The army seems determined to decapitate the Middle East's oldest and arguably most resilient Islamist movement, to prevent it from preparing a political comeback after President Mohamed Mursi, one of its senior leaders, was ousted on July 3."
Yahoo! News Canada - Latest News & Headlines

Everyone understand what 'Islamist' means??

Burning Coptic churches......

Where are Obama's leanings?
Isn't it clear?



"Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope."—Muslim Brotherhood


"The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in 1928 by Hasan al-Banna....Al-Banna based his ideas that Islam was not only a religious observance, but a comprehensive way of life, on the tenets of Wahhabism, better known today as "Islamism",... started performing terrorist acts inside of Egypt,..."
Bloody History of Muslim Brotherhood



Let's be very clear: Obama's tacit support of the Muslim Brotherhood must be seen as support for shari'a.
Say what he will.....this is what he wants for the Middle East.....at least.

Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood hate each other; trying to link the two is inappropriate.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm especially sorry for the police officers and their families.

becki....

I've been on this board long enough to recognize willful blindness....but how much pro-Islamofascism must this President reveal before the media, the public, reacts???


From his Cairo speech, throwing leaders who keep the peace in the Middle East under the bus so as to make room for the savages of al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood, to calling Nidal Hasan's treachery 'workplace violence' (just heard that he walked up and down shooting the wounded), to this display: punishing the Egyptian army for restraining these killers.....

How can this be allowed to go on?


"The army seems determined to decapitate the Middle East's oldest and arguably most resilient Islamist movement, to prevent it from preparing a political comeback after President Mohamed Mursi, one of its senior leaders, was ousted on July 3."
Yahoo! News Canada - Latest News & Headlines

Everyone understand what 'Islamist' means??

Burning Coptic churches......

Where are Obama's leanings?
Isn't it clear?



"Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope."—Muslim Brotherhood


"The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in 1928 by Hasan al-Banna....Al-Banna based his ideas that Islam was not only a religious observance, but a comprehensive way of life, on the tenets of Wahhabism, better known today as "Islamism",... started performing terrorist acts inside of Egypt,..."
Bloody History of Muslim Brotherhood



Let's be very clear: Obama's tacit support of the Muslim Brotherhood must be seen as support for shari'a.
Say what he will.....this is what he wants for the Middle East.....at least.

Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood hate each other; trying to link the two is inappropriate.

Didn't take long for the liar to become an apologist for savages.

 

[Osomir]

Didn't take long for the liar to become an apologist for savages.

Saying that Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood don't care for one another is neither a lie, nor an apology. I would be happy to provide as many sources as you'd like proving their mutual dislike of one another.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Didn't take long for the liar to become an apologist for savages.

Saying that Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood don't care for one another is neither a lie, nor an apology. I would be happy to provide as many sources as you'd like proving their mutual dislike of one another.

So....you'd like to be known as a fool in addition to 'liar'?

My pleasure.

"... a much more complicated relationship between the Brotherhood and al Qaeda..... Barry Rubin argues convincingly in The Muslim Brotherhood, an excellent compendium he edited, that in fact the Brotherhood has no problem with violence.

Rubin goes on to quote Rajab Hilal Hamida, a member of the Brotherhood in Egypt’s parliament:

From my point of view, bin Ladin, al-Zawahiri and al-Zarqawi are not terrorists in the sense accepted by some. I support all their activities, since they are a thorn in the side of the Americans and the Zionists. … [On the other hand,] he who kills Muslim citizens is neither a jihad fighter nor a terrorist, but a criminal murderer. We must call things by their proper names!

In other words, Hamida is not concerned with al Qaeda’s attacks against Americans or Jews. Their killing of other Muslims is what he finds objectionable. This should offer us small comfort.

Riedel is correct in saying that the Muslim Brotherhood has drawn the ire of al Qaeda’s leaders for being “too soft.” But this glosses over the many ideological similarities between the two organizations. They both want to conquer lands in the name of Islam and establish Sharia law everywhere they can. They simply disagree about how to best accomplish that goal. Osama bin Laden and Ayman al Zawahiri, who were recruited by the Brotherhood as young men, did not leave the organization because they disagreed with its long-term goals. They were simply unwilling to compromise at a tactical level..... This does not mean the Muslim Brotherhood eschews violence (as illustrated by the quotes above). It simply means that the Brotherhood is more practical than al Qaeda when it comes to achieving its long-term goals, and is willing to use non-violent tactics as well as violence.

Moreover, the rivalry between al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood does not preclude cooperation on the world stage. Here are just a few examples, chosen from many.

Osama bin Laden’s first real mentor was Abdullah Azzam, who was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. Azzam had his own differences with some Brotherhood members and practices. But Azzam’s teachings are still widely cited by jihadists today, three decades after he first preached jihad against the Soviets in Afghanistan. And it was Azzam’s connections to Brotherhood organizations in Pakistan that gave bin Laden a firm footing in South Asia.

In the mid-1990s, Osama bin Laden was taken in by another member of the international Brotherhood, Hassan al Turabi. When bin Laden could no longer live in Saudi Arabia, Turabi brought him to Sudan. There, Turabi built a network of connections between various nefarious actors and introduced bin Laden to many of them. Turabi was probably one of the three most influential Brotherhood ideologues at the time – that is, while he was mentoring and sheltering bin Laden and al Qaeda.

Then there is Sheikh Abdul Majeed al Zindani, who remains a prominent Muslim Brotherhood cleric in Yemen. The U.S. Treasury Department has designated Zindani a terrorist because of his close, decades-long relationship with Osama bin Laden. Zindani has frequently recruited jihadists for al Qaeda.

And just this week CNN reported that the Saudis found in a recent investigation that the Muslim Brotherhood maintains ties to al Qaeda. Some members of the Brotherhood have “historic sympathies and connections” with al Qaeda, according to Saudi officials. Thus, Brotherhood money “occasionally” finds its way into al Qaeda’s hands.
The Muslim Brotherhood is No Friend | The Weekly Standard




OK....now you're a fool as well as a liar.


Get lost.

 

[PoliticalChic]

In the latest example of its poorly understood Egypt policy, the Obama administration has decided to temporarily suspend the disbursement of most direct military aid, the delivery of weapons to the Egyptian military, and some forms of economic aid to the Egyptian government while it conducts a broad review of the relationship. The administration won’t publicly acknowledge all aspects of the aid suspension and maintains its rhetorical line that no official coup determination has been made, but behind the scenes, extensive measures to treat the military takeover of Egypt last month as a coup are being implemented on a temporary basis.

The office of Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT), the head of the appropriations state and foreign-operations subcommittee, told The Daily Beast on Monday that military aid to Egypt has been temporarily cut off.
Senator: Obama Administration Secretly Suspended Military Aid to Egypt - The Daily Beast

 

[Osomir]

Didn't take long for the liar to become an apologist for savages.

Saying that Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood don't care for one another is neither a lie, nor an apology. I would be happy to provide as many sources as you'd like proving their mutual dislike of one another.

So....you'd like to be known as a fool in addition to 'liar'?

My pleasure.

"... a much more complicated relationship between the Brotherhood and al Qaeda..... Barry Rubin argues convincingly in The Muslim Brotherhood, an excellent compendium he edited, that in fact the Brotherhood has no problem with violence.

Rubin goes on to quote Rajab Hilal Hamida, a member of the Brotherhood in Egypt’s parliament:

From my point of view, bin Ladin, al-Zawahiri and al-Zarqawi are not terrorists in the sense accepted by some. I support all their activities, since they are a thorn in the side of the Americans and the Zionists. … [On the other hand,] he who kills Muslim citizens is neither a jihad fighter nor a terrorist, but a criminal murderer. We must call things by their proper names!

In other words, Hamida is not concerned with al Qaeda’s attacks against Americans or Jews. Their killing of other Muslims is what he finds objectionable. This should offer us small comfort.

Riedel is correct in saying that the Muslim Brotherhood has drawn the ire of al Qaeda’s leaders for being “too soft.” But this glosses over the many ideological similarities between the two organizations. They both want to conquer lands in the name of Islam and establish Sharia law everywhere they can. They simply disagree about how to best accomplish that goal. Osama bin Laden and Ayman al Zawahiri, who were recruited by the Brotherhood as young men, did not leave the organization because they disagreed with its long-term goals. They were simply unwilling to compromise at a tactical level..... This does not mean the Muslim Brotherhood eschews violence (as illustrated by the quotes above). It simply means that the Brotherhood is more practical than al Qaeda when it comes to achieving its long-term goals, and is willing to use non-violent tactics as well as violence.

Moreover, the rivalry between al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood does not preclude cooperation on the world stage. Here are just a few examples, chosen from many.

Osama bin Laden’s first real mentor was Abdullah Azzam, who was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. Azzam had his own differences with some Brotherhood members and practices. But Azzam’s teachings are still widely cited by jihadists today, three decades after he first preached jihad against the Soviets in Afghanistan. And it was Azzam’s connections to Brotherhood organizations in Pakistan that gave bin Laden a firm footing in South Asia.

In the mid-1990s, Osama bin Laden was taken in by another member of the international Brotherhood, Hassan al Turabi. When bin Laden could no longer live in Saudi Arabia, Turabi brought him to Sudan. There, Turabi built a network of connections between various nefarious actors and introduced bin Laden to many of them. Turabi was probably one of the three most influential Brotherhood ideologues at the time – that is, while he was mentoring and sheltering bin Laden and al Qaeda.

Then there is Sheikh Abdul Majeed al Zindani, who remains a prominent Muslim Brotherhood cleric in Yemen. The U.S. Treasury Department has designated Zindani a terrorist because of his close, decades-long relationship with Osama bin Laden. Zindani has frequently recruited jihadists for al Qaeda.

And just this week CNN reported that the Saudis found in a recent investigation that the Muslim Brotherhood maintains ties to al Qaeda. Some members of the Brotherhood have “historic sympathies and connections” with al Qaeda, according to Saudi officials. Thus, Brotherhood money “occasionally” finds its way into al Qaeda’s hands.
The Muslim Brotherhood is No Friend | The Weekly Standard




OK....now you're a fool as well as a liar.


Get lost.

The Muslim Brotherhood is a general name for a number of regional organizations that largely operate independently from one another. Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood supports armed conflict in the face of occupation. Thus they are fine with attacks against US soldiers in Iraq, and with Hamas strikes against Israeli defense forces. It's also worth pointing out that while they are ideologically ok with targeting US forces in Iraq Muslim Brotherhood fighters in Iraq have been virtually non-existent and the iraqi branch of the group actively participates in the standard political process. in fact, Al Qaeda in Iraq has blamed the Brotherhood as the number one reason why they haven't been able to succeed within the country.

They also supported the struggle in the 80's in Syria.

That however is a big difference from al Qaeda's ideological structures which support international jihad, and for some affiliates includes sectarian violence, the targeting of civilians and takfiri ideologies. All of which the Brotherhood stands against.

Furthermore, Al Qaeda hates the Brotherhood because they engage in the political process instead of waging jihad. Al Qaeda is categorically against all forms of political participation and condemns those who partake in them (which would include all regional branches of the Muslim Brotherhood including Hamas in Gaza).

All of what I have said is corroborated by West Point's Combating Terrorism Center. More specifically you can find everything that I have posted in this report: Self Inflicted Wounds | Combating Terrorism Center at West Point

You haven't been arguing with me, you've been arguing with counter terrorism experts from West Point.

From page 167 of the report:

In a series of tapes and writings, Zawahiri savaged Hamas and the Egyptian MB for their participation in elections and public life. Al‐Baghdadi and Abu Hamza identifed the MB as the driving force behind the setbacks of the jihad in Iraq, pointing not only to the Iraqi Islamic Party (an MB affiliate), but also to a wide range of other Sunni Islamist adversaries lumped together under the MB label.

From the former Supreme guide of the Muslim Brotherhood:

We—the MB—reject completely the methods and actions by al‐Qa’ida
network.
‐‐ MB Deputy Supreme Guide Mohammed Habib

Head of Al Qaeda Ayman al-Zawahiri even wrote a book (entitled Bitter Harvests) as to why he disliked the Muslim Brotherhood.

From the report (page 170):

Bitter Harvest offers the template for a standard Salafi jihadist bill of complaints about the MB over the last two decades. In the Salafi jihadist telling, the MB aligned with the West in Afghanistan instead of the Taliban. In Algeria in the 1990s, the MB figure Mahfouz Nahnah aligned with the military against the Armed Islamic Group. In Iraq, the MB’s Iraqi Islamic Party (IIP) aligned with the United States and joined the political process while under occupation. In Jordan, the MB sided with the Hashemite monarchy despite its strategic alliance with the United States and good relations with Israel. In Malaysia, it aligned with Anwar Ibrahim at a time when more radical groups viewed him as part of the regime they despised. In Palestine, the MB (in the form of Hamas) was accused of protecting the Jews from al‐Qa’ida.


Finally, it is worth pointing out that the Muslim Brotherhood has publicly condemned virtually every single one of Al Qaeda's attacks, which directly counters your above insinuations.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Saying that Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood don't care for one another is neither a lie, nor an apology. I would be happy to provide as many sources as you'd like proving their mutual dislike of one another.

So....you'd like to be known as a fool in addition to 'liar'?

My pleasure.

"... a much more complicated relationship between the Brotherhood and al Qaeda..... Barry Rubin argues convincingly in The Muslim Brotherhood, an excellent compendium he edited, that in fact the Brotherhood has no problem with violence.

Rubin goes on to quote Rajab Hilal Hamida, a member of the Brotherhood in Egypt’s parliament:

From my point of view, bin Ladin, al-Zawahiri and al-Zarqawi are not terrorists in the sense accepted by some. I support all their activities, since they are a thorn in the side of the Americans and the Zionists. … [On the other hand,] he who kills Muslim citizens is neither a jihad fighter nor a terrorist, but a criminal murderer. We must call things by their proper names!

In other words, Hamida is not concerned with al Qaeda’s attacks against Americans or Jews. Their killing of other Muslims is what he finds objectionable. This should offer us small comfort.

Riedel is correct in saying that the Muslim Brotherhood has drawn the ire of al Qaeda’s leaders for being “too soft.” But this glosses over the many ideological similarities between the two organizations. They both want to conquer lands in the name of Islam and establish Sharia law everywhere they can. They simply disagree about how to best accomplish that goal. Osama bin Laden and Ayman al Zawahiri, who were recruited by the Brotherhood as young men, did not leave the organization because they disagreed with its long-term goals. They were simply unwilling to compromise at a tactical level..... This does not mean the Muslim Brotherhood eschews violence (as illustrated by the quotes above). It simply means that the Brotherhood is more practical than al Qaeda when it comes to achieving its long-term goals, and is willing to use non-violent tactics as well as violence.

Moreover, the rivalry between al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood does not preclude cooperation on the world stage. Here are just a few examples, chosen from many.

Osama bin Laden’s first real mentor was Abdullah Azzam, who was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. Azzam had his own differences with some Brotherhood members and practices. But Azzam’s teachings are still widely cited by jihadists today, three decades after he first preached jihad against the Soviets in Afghanistan. And it was Azzam’s connections to Brotherhood organizations in Pakistan that gave bin Laden a firm footing in South Asia.

In the mid-1990s, Osama bin Laden was taken in by another member of the international Brotherhood, Hassan al Turabi. When bin Laden could no longer live in Saudi Arabia, Turabi brought him to Sudan. There, Turabi built a network of connections between various nefarious actors and introduced bin Laden to many of them. Turabi was probably one of the three most influential Brotherhood ideologues at the time – that is, while he was mentoring and sheltering bin Laden and al Qaeda.

Then there is Sheikh Abdul Majeed al Zindani, who remains a prominent Muslim Brotherhood cleric in Yemen. The U.S. Treasury Department has designated Zindani a terrorist because of his close, decades-long relationship with Osama bin Laden. Zindani has frequently recruited jihadists for al Qaeda.

And just this week CNN reported that the Saudis found in a recent investigation that the Muslim Brotherhood maintains ties to al Qaeda. Some members of the Brotherhood have “historic sympathies and connections” with al Qaeda, according to Saudi officials. Thus, Brotherhood money “occasionally” finds its way into al Qaeda’s hands.
The Muslim Brotherhood is No Friend | The Weekly Standard




OK....now you're a fool as well as a liar.


Get lost.

The Muslim Brotherhood is a general name for a number of regional organizations that largely operate independently from one another. Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood supports armed conflict in the face of occupation. Thus they are fine with attacks against US soldiers in Iraq, and with Hamas strikes against Israeli defense forces. It's also worth pointing out that while they are ideologically ok with targeting US forces in Iraq Muslim Brotherhood fighters in Iraq have been virtually non-existent and the iraqi branch of the group actively participates in the standard political process. in fact, Al Qaeda in Iraq has blamed the Brotherhood as the number one reason why they haven't been able to succeed within the country.

They also supported the struggle in the 80's in Syria.

That however is a big difference from al Qaeda's ideological structures which support international jihad, and for some affiliates includes sectarian violence, the targeting of civilians and takfiri ideologies. All of which the Brotherhood stands against.

Furthermore, Al Qaeda hates the Brotherhood because they engage in the political process instead of waging jihad. Al Qaeda is categorically against all forms of political participation and condemns those who partake in them (which would include all regional branches of the Muslim Brotherhood including Hamas in Gaza).

All of what I have said is corroborated by West Point's Combating Terrorism Center. More specifically you can find everything that I have posted in this report: Self Inflicted Wounds | Combating Terrorism Center at West Point

You haven't been arguing with me, you've been arguing with counter terrorism experts from West Point.

From page 167 of the report:

In a series of tapes and writings, Zawahiri savaged Hamas and the Egyptian MB for their participation in elections and public life. Al‐Baghdadi and Abu Hamza identifed the MB as the driving force behind the setbacks of the jihad in Iraq, pointing not only to the Iraqi Islamic Party (an MB affiliate), but also to a wide range of other Sunni Islamist adversaries lumped together under the MB label.

From the former Supreme guide of the Muslim Brotherhood:

We—the MB—reject completely the methods and actions by al‐Qa’ida
network.
‐‐ MB Deputy Supreme Guide Mohammed Habib

Head of Al Qaeda Ayman al-Zawahiri even wrote a book (entitled Bitter Harvests) as to why he disliked the Muslim Brotherhood.

From the report (page 170):

Bitter Harvest offers the template for a standard Salafi jihadist bill of complaints about the MB over the last two decades. In the Salafi jihadist telling, the MB aligned with the West in Afghanistan instead of the Taliban. In Algeria in the 1990s, the MB figure Mahfouz Nahnah aligned with the military against the Armed Islamic Group. In Iraq, the MB’s Iraqi Islamic Party (IIP) aligned with the United States and joined the political process while under occupation. In Jordan, the MB sided with the Hashemite monarchy despite its strategic alliance with the United States and good relations with Israel. In Malaysia, it aligned with Anwar Ibrahim at a time when more radical groups viewed him as part of the regime they despised. In Palestine, the MB (in the form of Hamas) was accused of protecting the Jews from al‐Qa’ida.


Finally, it is worth pointing out that the Muslim Brotherhood has publicly condemned virtually every single one of Al Qaeda's attacks, which directly counters your above insinuations.

Liar and a fool....let me add idiot to your loser resume.


You quote the savages and say 'so there...it must be true!"


Reality is defined by actions, not words.

 

[editec]

Obama had Brotherhood in his heart from day one....with representatives of the Brotherhood right in the front row at the Cairo speech.

Obama has empowered the Brotherhood at every opportunity...

Now, when the only stabilizing factor in Egypt...the army...takes over, Obama leaps into action!

These 'protesters' attacked Egyptians, burned Coptic Churches....and Obama rushes to defend the Brotherhood:





1. "Obama condemns Egypt over violence, cancels joint military exercise

2. CAIRO – President Barack Obama strongly condemned Egypt’s interim government Thursday, saying the United States was canceling a planned joint military operation in protest over violent clashes that left at least 525 dead.

3. "We deplore violence against civilians,"
[Bulletin: Coptic Christians are civilians....]




4. Hundreds of angry Morsi supporters attacked and set fire to the offices of the governor of Cairo's Giza district ...They threw Molotov cocktails and fired live ammunition into the building as government workers fled, according to security sources.
[Someone better tell Obama....]



5. The Muslim Brotherhood also announced plans to hold a march in Cairo, and pledged to bring down the military-backed interim government.
[That outta make Obama happy....]

6. .... the Islamist organization,...Churches were attacked in the Nile Valley towns of Minya, Sohag and Assiut, where Christians escaped across the roof into a neighboring building after a mob surrounded and hurled bricks at their place of worship, state news agency MENA said."
Obama condemns Egypt over violence, cancels joint military exercise - World News



When are American Leftists going to connect the dots and realize who they put in charge????





Remember this:
"Egyptian lawmakers from the fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood are expected to attend President Obama's highly anticipated speech to the Muslim world Thursday in Cairo..... attendance of the Brotherhood members already is stirring some criticism from conservatives in the U.S. who say they do not represent the kind of moderate Muslims Obama should be appealing to.

...."What kind of signal are we sending?"
Muslim Brotherhood Members to Attend Obama's Cairo Speech | Fox News

Absolutely bloody nonsense.

When the Brotherhood started dismantling the const\itution and the people when back on the streets this nation stood WITH the people.

And when the military took down that government this nation REFUSED to call it a coup because at the time the military looked like the will of the people.

But as the military is now in the business of violating EVERYBODY'S human rights, the PEOPLE who wanted the Mostlem Brotherhood are NO LONGER supporting the military.


This black and white thinking some of you are saddled with really blinds you to reality.

PC you really need to educate yourself.

 

[Osomir]

Liar and a fool....let me add idiot to your loser resume.


You quote the savages and say 'so there...it must be true!"


Reality is defined by actions, not words.

Your reliance simply on personal attacks to defend your position is both immature and pathetic. Grow up.