Ca Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional

[WillowTree]

New Law of the Land


Marriage is between whomever is willing and never mind how many.

 

[WillowTree]

this is good, I need a housewife.

 

[WillowTree]

I want three womens and three mens. to marry me. don't deny me now. it's my right.

 

[WillowTree]

you can't tell me to wear a seat belt either, they hurts me titties.

 

[The Infidel]

Then you need to go read Loving v Virginia which made it very clear that marriage is a fundamental right... which means any intrusion on that right needs to meet more of a standard than 'ewww... i don't like gays'.

1st off.... I never said I dont like gays, or "ewww, I dont like gays".

My mom is gay you idiot. I love her very much thank you... and she agrees with me. She could care less about marriage. She has court documents that say her lover or life partner has all the rights that a "husband" has pertianing to her and umm her.

Plus, just because some judge says its a fundamental right dont mean two men or women can get married.

Marriage is'nt for the two individuals to have a piece of paper... its for having kids and making a family, and giving it the glue it needs to saty together legally.... FOR THE KIDS involved.

 

[The Infidel]

you can't tell me to wear a seat belt either, they hurts me titties.

 

[jillian]

Then you need to go read Loving v Virginia which made it very clear that marriage is a fundamental right... which means any intrusion on that right needs to meet more of a standard than 'ewww... i don't like gays'.

1st off.... I never said I dont like gays, or "ewww, I dont like gays".

My mom is gay you idiot. I love her very much thank you... and she agrees with me. She could care less about marriage. She has court documents that say her lover or life partner has all the rights that a "husband" has pertianing to her and umm her.

Plus, just because some judge says its a fundamental right dont mean two men or women can get married.

Marriage is'nt for the two individuals to have a piece of paper... its for having kids and making a family, and giving it the glue it needs to saty together legally.... FOR THE KIDS involved.

you need to stop calling me names, imbecile. i've been far more polite to you than you deserve. and if your mother is gay, then why do you want her to be discrimiated against? you have a really strange way of showing your love.

And no... her significant other does NOT have the same rights as a spouse... she cannot inherit without a will. she cannot own property as a tenant by the entirety. she cannot collect her pension. i don't think she is entitled to her social security benefits in the event of her passing. she cannot go into a hospital room... she cannot make medical decisions.. she cannot say 'this is my wife'.

it wasn't 'some judge' it was the USSC... or do you feel the same way about the USSC's decision on gun rights?

marriage has nothing to do with having kids... or they wouldn't permit people beyond child bearind age to marry. you sound pathetic. marriage conveys over 1,000 rights and obligations.

your arguments are fractured and irrational.

let me know when you've read Loving.

 

[Sky Dancer]

you can't tell me to wear a seat belt either, they hurts me titties.

You'll just have to get a ticket for it.

 

[WillowTree]

you can't tell me to wear a seat belt either, they hurts me titties.

You'll just have to get a ticket for it.

that's discrimination against those who have titties.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Here are the relevant facts Judge Walker finds:

1. Marriage is and has been a civil matter, subject to religious intervention only when requested by the intervenors.

2. California, like every other state, doesn't require that couples wanting to marry be able to procreate.

3. Marriage as an institution has changed overtime; women were given equal status; interracial marriage was formally legalized; no-fault divorce made it easier to dissolve marriages.

4. California has eliminated marital obligations based on gender.

5. Same-sex love and intimacy "are well-documented in human history."

6. Sexual orientation is a fundamental characteristic of a human being.

7. Prop 8 proponents' "assertion that sexual orientation cannot be defined is contrary to the weight of the evidence."

8. There is no evidence that sexual orientation is chosen, nor than it can be changed.

9. California has no interest in reducing the number of gays and lesbians in its population.

10. "Same-sex couples are identical to opposite-sex couples in the characteristics relevant to the ability to form successful marital union."

11. "Marrying a person of the opposite sex is an unrealistic option for gay and lesbian individuals."

12. "Domestic partnerships lack the social meaning associated with marriage, and marriage is widely regarded as the definitive expression of love and commitment in the United States.
The availability of domestic partnership does not provide gays and lesbians with a status equivalent to marriage because the cultural meaning of marriage and its associated benefits are intentionally withheld from same-sex couples in domestic partnerships."

13. "Permitting same-sex couples to marry will not affect the number of opposite-sex couples who marry, divorce, cohabit, have children outside of marriage or otherwise affect the stability of opposite-sex marriages."
Prop. 8 Overturned: The Facts, Not the Law, Matter - Politics - The Atlantic

 

[The Infidel]

you need to stop calling me names, imbecile. i've been far more polite to you than you deserve. and if your mother is gay, then why do you want her to be discrimiated against? you have a really strange way of showing your love.

it wasn't 'some judge' it was the USSC... or do you feel the same way about the USSC's decision on gun rights?

marriage has nothing to do with having kids... or they wouldn't permit people beyond child bearind age. you sound pathetic. marriage conveys over 1,000 rights and obligations.

your arguments are fractured and irrational.

let me know when you've read Loving.

OK... I shouldnt have called ya an idiot... it was uncalled for and I opologize.

Like I said though, my mom doesnt feel she is discriminated against in the slightest, and a ton of her friends agree with her too. I know, b/c I have asked them. They tell me the same thing. It doesnt change anything in their relationships.

 

[Gadawg73]

What we are debating is whether or not 2 adults of the same sex, not related, can marry.
That is what is before the courts and nothing else.
No other law would change.
Nothing else applies such as the dumb asses here with the "then marrying 4 goats and a pig will be legal also".
They know it is not true but they heard it at church so they repeat it.
Hard to believe anyone would give a rat's ass if 2 folks that are adults that happen to be in love want to marry. If anything we should be happy about it.
The nation is falling apart and fools are wanting to act like children and mind other folks' business.

 

[WillowTree]

Here are the relevant facts Judge Walker finds:

1. Marriage is and has been a civil matter, subject to religious intervention only when requested by the intervenors.

2. California, like every other state, doesn't require that couples wanting to marry be able to procreate.

3. Marriage as an institution has changed overtime; women were given equal status; interracial marriage was formally legalized; no-fault divorce made it easier to dissolve marriages.

4. California has eliminated marital obligations based on gender.

5. Same-sex love and intimacy "are well-documented in human history."

6. Sexual orientation is a fundamental characteristic of a human being.

7. Prop 8 proponents' "assertion that sexual orientation cannot be defined is contrary to the weight of the evidence."

8. There is no evidence that sexual orientation is chosen, nor than it can be changed.

9. California has no interest in reducing the number of gays and lesbians in its population.

10. "Same-sex couples are identical to opposite-sex couples in the characteristics relevant to the ability to form successful marital union."

11. "Marrying a person of the opposite sex is an unrealistic option for gay and lesbian individuals."

12. "Domestic partnerships lack the social meaning associated with marriage, and marriage is widely regarded as the definitive expression of love and commitment in the United States.
The availability of domestic partnership does not provide gays and lesbians with a status equivalent to marriage because the cultural meaning of marriage and its associated benefits are intentionally withheld from same-sex couples in domestic partnerships."

13. "Permitting same-sex couples to marry will not affect the number of opposite-sex couples who marry, divorce, cohabit, have children outside of marriage or otherwise affect the stability of opposite-sex marriages."
Prop. 8 Overturned: The Facts, Not the Law, Matter - Politics - The Atlantic

Why limit all this freedom to couples? The more the merrier.

 

[Sky Dancer]

you need to stop calling me names, imbecile. i've been far more polite to you than you deserve. and if your mother is gay, then why do you want her to be discrimiated against? you have a really strange way of showing your love.

it wasn't 'some judge' it was the USSC... or do you feel the same way about the USSC's decision on gun rights?

marriage has nothing to do with having kids... or they wouldn't permit people beyond child bearind age. you sound pathetic. marriage conveys over 1,000 rights and obligations.

your arguments are fractured and irrational.

let me know when you've read Loving.

OK... I shouldnt have called ya an idiot... it was uncalled for and I opologize.

Like I said though, my mom doesnt feel she is discriminated against in the slightest, and a ton of her friends agree with her too. I know, b/c I have asked them. They tell me the same thing. It doesnt change anything in their relationships.

It's different for me. Marriage has made a huge difference in my life.

 

[WillowTree]

What we are debating is whether or not 2 adults of the same sex, not related, can marry.
That is what is before the courts and nothing else.
No other law would change.
Nothing else applies such as the dumb asses here with the "then marrying 4 goats and a pig will be legal also".
They know it is not true but they heard it at church so they repeat it.
Hard to believe anyone would give a rat's ass if 2 folks that are adults that happen to be in love want to marry. If anything we should be happy about it.
The nation is falling apart and fools are wanting to act like children and mind other folks' business.

I disagree, why discriminate against anyone. let everyone marry whomever and however many they wish to marry. anything else is discrimination.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Here are the relevant facts Judge Walker finds:

1. Marriage is and has been a civil matter, subject to religious intervention only when requested by the intervenors.

2. California, like every other state, doesn't require that couples wanting to marry be able to procreate.

3. Marriage as an institution has changed overtime; women were given equal status; interracial marriage was formally legalized; no-fault divorce made it easier to dissolve marriages.

4. California has eliminated marital obligations based on gender.

5. Same-sex love and intimacy "are well-documented in human history."

6. Sexual orientation is a fundamental characteristic of a human being.

7. Prop 8 proponents' "assertion that sexual orientation cannot be defined is contrary to the weight of the evidence."

8. There is no evidence that sexual orientation is chosen, nor than it can be changed.

9. California has no interest in reducing the number of gays and lesbians in its population.

10. "Same-sex couples are identical to opposite-sex couples in the characteristics relevant to the ability to form successful marital union."

11. "Marrying a person of the opposite sex is an unrealistic option for gay and lesbian individuals."

12. "Domestic partnerships lack the social meaning associated with marriage, and marriage is widely regarded as the definitive expression of love and commitment in the United States.
The availability of domestic partnership does not provide gays and lesbians with a status equivalent to marriage because the cultural meaning of marriage and its associated benefits are intentionally withheld from same-sex couples in domestic partnerships."

13. "Permitting same-sex couples to marry will not affect the number of opposite-sex couples who marry, divorce, cohabit, have children outside of marriage or otherwise affect the stability of opposite-sex marriages."
Prop. 8 Overturned: The Facts, Not the Law, Matter - Politics - The Atlantic

Why limit all this freedom to couples? The more the merrier.

Can't you be happy for us?

 

[WillowTree]

If two people of the same sex wish to marry each other and cannot procreate what the hell does it matter if they are brothers or sisters or not? Don't go getting all moral on us now.

 

[jillian]

you need to stop calling me names, imbecile. i've been far more polite to you than you deserve. and if your mother is gay, then why do you want her to be discrimiated against? you have a really strange way of showing your love.

it wasn't 'some judge' it was the USSC... or do you feel the same way about the USSC's decision on gun rights?

marriage has nothing to do with having kids... or they wouldn't permit people beyond child bearind age. you sound pathetic. marriage conveys over 1,000 rights and obligations.

your arguments are fractured and irrational.

let me know when you've read Loving.

OK... I shouldnt have called ya an idiot... it was uncalled for and I opologize.

Like I said though, my mom doesnt feel she is discriminated against in the slightest, and a ton of her friends agree with her too. I know, b/c I have asked them. They tell me the same thing. It doesnt change anything in their relationships.

apology accepted.

i don't know how old your mom is... and i don't know why it wouldn't bother her. but my gay friends here very much want the right to marry.

and ultimately, isn't that what it's about? having the right to choose to live together or marry LIKE EVERYONE ELSE?

I think they are entitled to it under the constitution. I'm very proud of the court for it's decision. After embarrassing and disgusting decisions like Citizen's United, it reminds me of why I went to law school.

Now hopefully the rightwingnuts on the USSC won't mess with it.

 

[topspin]

If everybody still wanted lynchings that wouldn't make it right. Sometimes the judges are better than mob rule.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Homosexuality and incest are two different things Willow. Think about it.