California Senate Passes Comprehensive, Common Sense Gun Laws

[charwin95]

Unsurprisingly, all of this nonsense, none of which will do anything to prevent gun-related crime, is based on emotion ignorance and/or dishonesty.

Do you have any suggestions Einstein?

Yeah...I do....if you catch someone committing a crime with a gun, you arrest them and give them 30 years....like they do in Japan. If you catch a felon in possession of an illegal gun....you arrest them and put them in prison for 30 years.

The 30 year sentence has decreased Japan's gun crime...the Yakuza bosses have stated that in the past....doing a couple of years for a gun crime was a reputation builder....the thug coming out of jail would get a career boost...now, a 30 year sentence is a life changer...and not worth it to the boss, who can now be held responsible for the criminal violence of their underlings, and it isn't worth it to the thug....who will be over 50 when they walk out of prison.....

But please.....explain the laws you think will lower the gun crime rate....

Keeping in mind that as more Americans own and actually carry guns, our gun murder and gun crime rate has gone down......

In Japan guns are not available to the general population to purchase a gun. I live there temporary and I still travel Tokyo and matsudo I have not seen a single gun store. Tough prison doesn't mean much.............. when almost no one poses a gun in Japan.

How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

here is how Japan has stopped most gun crime.....the real gun crime...the kind you don't stop by taking guns from normal, law abiding people.....

Yakuza Wars: Is Japan on Verge of New Wave of Gang Fighting?

According to Suzuki, contemporary mafia wars have become very different from what they used to be in the past after the government in recent years introduced very strict penalties for the use of both firearms and bladed-weapons.

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Nowadays, Yakuza gangs need to save their troops as even for a small-scale confrontation several of their members could get arrested. If in the past, killers would get no more than 10 years in prison and upon release they would get a high-ranking position; now they could be facing at least 30 years behind the bars, which means a person's life is essentially over and that changed things dramatically, Suzuki said.



Furthermore, new Japanese anti-gang rules now hold Yakuza bosses responsible for crimes committed by lower-status members of a criminal syndicate, said Atsushi Mizoguchi, another expert on the Japanese crime scene.

"So the bosses will be reluctant to get into a struggle," Mizoguchi told journalists during a press conference last year in Tokyo.

Guns are not available to the general public that is why they have a low crimes and gun deaths. Period. Not because of long jail term.

 

[2aguy]

Unsurprisingly, all of this nonsense, none of which will do anything to prevent gun-related crime, is based on emotion ignorance and/or dishonesty.

Do you have any suggestions Einstein?

Yeah...I do....if you catch someone committing a crime with a gun, you arrest them and give them 30 years....like they do in Japan. If you catch a felon in possession of an illegal gun....you arrest them and put them in prison for 30 years.

The 30 year sentence has decreased Japan's gun crime...the Yakuza bosses have stated that in the past....doing a couple of years for a gun crime was a reputation builder....the thug coming out of jail would get a career boost...now, a 30 year sentence is a life changer...and not worth it to the boss, who can now be held responsible for the criminal violence of their underlings, and it isn't worth it to the thug....who will be over 50 when they walk out of prison.....

But please.....explain the laws you think will lower the gun crime rate....

Keeping in mind that as more Americans own and actually carry guns, our gun murder and gun crime rate has gone down......

Every single day there are gun deaths and other crimes with guns because the availability of guns all over this country. So basically you want to sell more guns and flood the streets with more guns.
That's your goal right? Don't worry about any laws.................... Just pure lawlessness.

Gun Violence by the Numbers

Do you even understand those numbers....do you understand all the numbers....?

 

[2aguy]

Unsurprisingly, all of this nonsense, none of which will do anything to prevent gun-related crime, is based on emotion ignorance and/or dishonesty.

Do you have any suggestions Einstein?

Yeah...I do....if you catch someone committing a crime with a gun, you arrest them and give them 30 years....like they do in Japan. If you catch a felon in possession of an illegal gun....you arrest them and put them in prison for 30 years.

The 30 year sentence has decreased Japan's gun crime...the Yakuza bosses have stated that in the past....doing a couple of years for a gun crime was a reputation builder....the thug coming out of jail would get a career boost...now, a 30 year sentence is a life changer...and not worth it to the boss, who can now be held responsible for the criminal violence of their underlings, and it isn't worth it to the thug....who will be over 50 when they walk out of prison.....

But please.....explain the laws you think will lower the gun crime rate....

Keeping in mind that as more Americans own and actually carry guns, our gun murder and gun crime rate has gone down......

In Japan guns are not available to the general population to purchase a gun. I live there temporary and I still travel Tokyo and matsudo I have not seen a single gun store. Tough prison doesn't mean much.............. when almost no one poses a gun in Japan.

How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

here is how Japan has stopped most gun crime.....the real gun crime...the kind you don't stop by taking guns from normal, law abiding people.....

Yakuza Wars: Is Japan on Verge of New Wave of Gang Fighting?

According to Suzuki, contemporary mafia wars have become very different from what they used to be in the past after the government in recent years introduced very strict penalties for the use of both firearms and bladed-weapons.

-----

Nowadays, Yakuza gangs need to save their troops as even for a small-scale confrontation several of their members could get arrested. If in the past, killers would get no more than 10 years in prison and upon release they would get a high-ranking position; now they could be facing at least 30 years behind the bars, which means a person's life is essentially over and that changed things dramatically, Suzuki said.



Furthermore, new Japanese anti-gang rules now hold Yakuza bosses responsible for crimes committed by lower-status members of a criminal syndicate, said Atsushi Mizoguchi, another expert on the Japanese crime scene.

"So the bosses will be reluctant to get into a struggle," Mizoguchi told journalists during a press conference last year in Tokyo.

Guns are not available to the general public that is why they have a low crimes and gun deaths. Period. Not because of long jail term.

Did you read what Kopel said in his study.....you know...the very one your link cited......the ones that said he was an expert.....you linked to it....I showed you what he actually said....and it isn't even close to what the Atlantic article said he said........is it?

 

[2aguy]

Unsurprisingly, all of this nonsense, none of which will do anything to prevent gun-related crime, is based on emotion ignorance and/or dishonesty.

Do you have any suggestions Einstein?

Yeah...I do....if you catch someone committing a crime with a gun, you arrest them and give them 30 years....like they do in Japan. If you catch a felon in possession of an illegal gun....you arrest them and put them in prison for 30 years.

The 30 year sentence has decreased Japan's gun crime...the Yakuza bosses have stated that in the past....doing a couple of years for a gun crime was a reputation builder....the thug coming out of jail would get a career boost...now, a 30 year sentence is a life changer...and not worth it to the boss, who can now be held responsible for the criminal violence of their underlings, and it isn't worth it to the thug....who will be over 50 when they walk out of prison.....

But please.....explain the laws you think will lower the gun crime rate....

Keeping in mind that as more Americans own and actually carry guns, our gun murder and gun crime rate has gone down......

Every single day there are gun deaths and other crimes with guns because the availability of guns all over this country. So basically you want to sell more guns and flood the streets with more guns.
That's your goal right? Don't worry about any laws.................... Just pure lawlessness.

Gun Violence by the Numbers

Here you go...guns and real numbers....

Gun Self Defense numbers after 40 years of research....

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[2aguy]

Unsurprisingly, all of this nonsense, none of which will do anything to prevent gun-related crime, is based on emotion ignorance and/or dishonesty.

Do you have any suggestions Einstein?

Yeah...I do....if you catch someone committing a crime with a gun, you arrest them and give them 30 years....like they do in Japan. If you catch a felon in possession of an illegal gun....you arrest them and put them in prison for 30 years.

The 30 year sentence has decreased Japan's gun crime...the Yakuza bosses have stated that in the past....doing a couple of years for a gun crime was a reputation builder....the thug coming out of jail would get a career boost...now, a 30 year sentence is a life changer...and not worth it to the boss, who can now be held responsible for the criminal violence of their underlings, and it isn't worth it to the thug....who will be over 50 when they walk out of prison.....

But please.....explain the laws you think will lower the gun crime rate....

Keeping in mind that as more Americans own and actually carry guns, our gun murder and gun crime rate has gone down......

Every single day there are gun deaths and other crimes with guns because the availability of guns all over this country. So basically you want to sell more guns and flood the streets with more guns.
That's your goal right? Don't worry about any laws.................... Just pure lawlessness.

Gun Violence by the Numbers

With 357,000,000 million guns in private hands....how many children were killed in 2014...compared to other ways of dying?

The accidental gun death rate for children went down...as more Americans bought and carried guns...do you realize that?

Broker Version 9.4

Accidental death by cause for 2014.....ages <1-14. ( 320 million guns in private hands in 2013) (74.2 million children 2010 census)


Accidental gun...48 ( 2013...69) ( 2012...58) ( 2011...74)
Accidental drowning...647
Accidental car deaths...1,083
Accidental falls...53
----------------
Compared to accidental gun deaths in 2013...
Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013....in a country with 74.2 million children in 2010...
Broker Version 9.4

Under 1 year old: 3

1-4 years old: 27

5-9 years old: 15

10-15 years old: 24

Total: 69 ( in a country of 320 million people)





Accidental gun death: 2014

<1.... 0

1-4.... 22

5-9.... 14

10-14.... 12

total: 48
--------
Accidental Drowning:
<1.... 29

1-4.... 388

5-9.... 125

10-14.... 105

Total: 647
-------
Accidental car deaths;

<1.... 61

1-4.... 293

5-9.... 345

10-14....384
Total: 1,083
-----------------
Accidental poisoning:
<1.... 9

1-4.... 28

5-9.... 9

10-14.... 22

Total: 68
-------
Accidental Falls:
<1.... 8

1-4.... 24

5-9....8

10-14.... 13

Total: 53

 

[2aguy]

Unsurprisingly, all of this nonsense, none of which will do anything to prevent gun-related crime, is based on emotion ignorance and/or dishonesty.

Do you have any suggestions Einstein?

Yeah...I do....if you catch someone committing a crime with a gun, you arrest them and give them 30 years....like they do in Japan. If you catch a felon in possession of an illegal gun....you arrest them and put them in prison for 30 years.

The 30 year sentence has decreased Japan's gun crime...the Yakuza bosses have stated that in the past....doing a couple of years for a gun crime was a reputation builder....the thug coming out of jail would get a career boost...now, a 30 year sentence is a life changer...and not worth it to the boss, who can now be held responsible for the criminal violence of their underlings, and it isn't worth it to the thug....who will be over 50 when they walk out of prison.....

But please.....explain the laws you think will lower the gun crime rate....

Keeping in mind that as more Americans own and actually carry guns, our gun murder and gun crime rate has gone down......

Every single day there are gun deaths and other crimes with guns because the availability of guns all over this country. So basically you want to sell more guns and flood the streets with more guns.
That's your goal right? Don't worry about any laws.................... Just pure lawlessness.

Gun Violence by the Numbers

Do you realize that non gun suicides are almost the same number as gun suicides...and that Japan, China and South Korea, that have made it impossible for normal people to own guns (but not criminals) have higher suicide rates than we do? Do you realize that France, a country that has extreme gun control also has a higher suicide rate than we do...as does Poland?

Notice too in the following links and stats......our gun accident rate has been going down, not up....and compare accidental gun deaths to other accidental deaths.......try that.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Here are the stats on some common types of death....it would be better to start a crusade to teach people how to walk upright...and save them from falling deaths...you would save more lives.....

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

guns, drowning and poisoning....

If you cared about people....you would push to ban the following...


http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760

Accidental gun deaths 2013......505

Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013....in a country with 74.2 million children in 2010...

Under 1 year old: 3

1-4 years old: 27

5-14 years old: 39

Total: 69 ( in a country of 320 million people)



Gun Suicide: 21,175
Non gun suicide: 19,974



http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr63/nvsr63_09.pdf

Then by year accidental gun deaths going down according to CDC final statistics table 10 from 2010-2013...

2010...606
2011...591
2012...548
2013...505
So...accidental gun deaths have been coming down as more people own and carry guns for self defense....now 13 million people actually carry guns for self defense......on their person, and the accidental gun death rate is going down, not up....

 

[WillowTree]

Unsurprisingly, all of this nonsense, none of which will do anything to prevent gun-related crime, is based on emotion ignorance and/or dishonesty.

Do you have any suggestions Einstein?

Yeah, when you catch someone committing a crime with a gun, throw them in prison and eat the key.

What kind of stupendous dumb shit can't figure out that people who use guns to commit crimes don't give a fuck about gun laws?

I will let you know when you are license or qualified to talk to me about guns.

Then why enter the thread?

 

[007]

California Senate Passes Comprehensive New Gun Control Legislation






And not one of them will stop crime! Idiots.

"Comprehensive?" No.

Unconstitutional? Yes.

 

[007]

 

[2aguy]

Unsurprisingly, all of this nonsense, none of which will do anything to prevent gun-related crime, is based on emotion ignorance and/or dishonesty.

Do you have any suggestions Einstein?

Yeah...I do....if you catch someone committing a crime with a gun, you arrest them and give them 30 years....like they do in Japan. If you catch a felon in possession of an illegal gun....you arrest them and put them in prison for 30 years.

The 30 year sentence has decreased Japan's gun crime...the Yakuza bosses have stated that in the past....doing a couple of years for a gun crime was a reputation builder....the thug coming out of jail would get a career boost...now, a 30 year sentence is a life changer...and not worth it to the boss, who can now be held responsible for the criminal violence of their underlings, and it isn't worth it to the thug....who will be over 50 when they walk out of prison.....

But please.....explain the laws you think will lower the gun crime rate....

Keeping in mind that as more Americans own and actually carry guns, our gun murder and gun crime rate has gone down......

Every single day there are gun deaths and other crimes with guns because the availability of guns all over this country. So basically you want to sell more guns and flood the streets with more guns.
That's your goal right? Don't worry about any laws.................... Just pure lawlessness.

Gun Violence by the Numbers

Do you realize that more Americans carry guns for self defense...and our gun murder rate went down.....so you post is completely wrong...do you realize that?

That Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives 1,500,000 times a year....according to bill clinton and barak obama?

vs......8,124 gun murders in 2014 according to FBI table 8 homicide stats...?

And that of those 8,124 gun murders....90% of the killers are felons with multiple felonies...and 70-80% of the victims also have multiple felonies....and so most gun murders are not "normal, law abiding" people.......but individuals using illegal guns illegally?

Do you understand those numbers....?

 

[2aguy]

Unsurprisingly, all of this nonsense, none of which will do anything to prevent gun-related crime, is based on emotion ignorance and/or dishonesty.

Do you have any suggestions Einstein?

Yeah...I do....if you catch someone committing a crime with a gun, you arrest them and give them 30 years....like they do in Japan. If you catch a felon in possession of an illegal gun....you arrest them and put them in prison for 30 years.

The 30 year sentence has decreased Japan's gun crime...the Yakuza bosses have stated that in the past....doing a couple of years for a gun crime was a reputation builder....the thug coming out of jail would get a career boost...now, a 30 year sentence is a life changer...and not worth it to the boss, who can now be held responsible for the criminal violence of their underlings, and it isn't worth it to the thug....who will be over 50 when they walk out of prison.....

But please.....explain the laws you think will lower the gun crime rate....

Keeping in mind that as more Americans own and actually carry guns, our gun murder and gun crime rate has gone down......

In Japan guns are not available to the general population to purchase a gun. I live there temporary and I still travel Tokyo and matsudo I have not seen a single gun store. Tough prison doesn't mean much.............. when almost no one poses a gun in Japan.

How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

here is how Japan has stopped most gun crime.....the real gun crime...the kind you don't stop by taking guns from normal, law abiding people.....

Yakuza Wars: Is Japan on Verge of New Wave of Gang Fighting?

According to Suzuki, contemporary mafia wars have become very different from what they used to be in the past after the government in recent years introduced very strict penalties for the use of both firearms and bladed-weapons.

-----

Nowadays, Yakuza gangs need to save their troops as even for a small-scale confrontation several of their members could get arrested. If in the past, killers would get no more than 10 years in prison and upon release they would get a high-ranking position; now they could be facing at least 30 years behind the bars, which means a person's life is essentially over and that changed things dramatically, Suzuki said.



Furthermore, new Japanese anti-gang rules now hold Yakuza bosses responsible for crimes committed by lower-status members of a criminal syndicate, said Atsushi Mizoguchi, another expert on the Japanese crime scene.

"So the bosses will be reluctant to get into a struggle," Mizoguchi told journalists during a press conference last year in Tokyo.

Guns are not available to the general public that is why they have a low crimes and gun deaths. Period. Not because of long jail term.

This is what the expert, cited in your very own link said about Japan's gun control laws....your link...the article from the Atlantic cited this very study, by this very man...and then lied about what his conclusion was.....I gave you the link, and the quote and showed you how the Atlantic journalist lied...

Do you understand that?


Japan: Gun Control and People Control

Japan's low crime rate has almost nothing to do with gun control, and everything to do with people control. Americans, used to their own traditions of freedom, would not accept Japan's system of people controls and gun controls.

 

[charwin95]

Unsurprisingly, all of this nonsense, none of which will do anything to prevent gun-related crime, is based on emotion ignorance and/or dishonesty.

Do you have any suggestions Einstein?

Yeah...I do....if you catch someone committing a crime with a gun, you arrest them and give them 30 years....like they do in Japan. If you catch a felon in possession of an illegal gun....you arrest them and put them in prison for 30 years.

The 30 year sentence has decreased Japan's gun crime...the Yakuza bosses have stated that in the past....doing a couple of years for a gun crime was a reputation builder....the thug coming out of jail would get a career boost...now, a 30 year sentence is a life changer...and not worth it to the boss, who can now be held responsible for the criminal violence of their underlings, and it isn't worth it to the thug....who will be over 50 when they walk out of prison.....

But please.....explain the laws you think will lower the gun crime rate....

Keeping in mind that as more Americans own and actually carry guns, our gun murder and gun crime rate has gone down......

Every single day there are gun deaths and other crimes with guns because the availability of guns all over this country. So basically you want to sell more guns and flood the streets with more guns.
That's your goal right? Don't worry about any laws.................... Just pure lawlessness.

Gun Violence by the Numbers

With 357,000,000 million guns in private hands....how many children were killed in 2014...compared to other ways of dying?

The accidental gun death rate for children went down...as more Americans bought and carried guns...do you realize that?

Broker Version 9.4

Accidental death by cause for 2014.....ages <1-14. ( 320 million guns in private hands in 2013) (74.2 million children 2010 census)


Accidental gun...48 ( 2013...69) ( 2012...58) ( 2011...74)
Accidental drowning...647
Accidental car deaths...1,083
Accidental falls...53
----------------
Compared to accidental gun deaths in 2013...
Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013....in a country with 74.2 million children in 2010...
Broker Version 9.4

Under 1 year old: 3

1-4 years old: 27

5-9 years old: 15

10-15 years old: 24

Total: 69 ( in a country of 320 million people)





Accidental gun death: 2014

<1.... 0

1-4.... 22

5-9.... 14

10-14.... 12

total: 48
--------
Accidental Drowning:
<1.... 29

1-4.... 388

5-9.... 125

10-14.... 105

Total: 647
-------
Accidental car deaths;

<1.... 61

1-4.... 293

5-9.... 345

10-14....384
Total: 1,083
-----------------
Accidental poisoning:
<1.... 9

1-4.... 28

5-9.... 9

10-14.... 22

Total: 68
-------
Accidental Falls:
<1.... 8

1-4.... 24

5-9....8

10-14.... 13

Total: 53

I've seen and read all the same link you've been posting over and over.......... Hate to tell you that law abiding citizen like me will side with the new law.

 

[007]

 

[2aguy]

Unsurprisingly, all of this nonsense, none of which will do anything to prevent gun-related crime, is based on emotion ignorance and/or dishonesty.

Do you have any suggestions Einstein?

Yeah...I do....if you catch someone committing a crime with a gun, you arrest them and give them 30 years....like they do in Japan. If you catch a felon in possession of an illegal gun....you arrest them and put them in prison for 30 years.

The 30 year sentence has decreased Japan's gun crime...the Yakuza bosses have stated that in the past....doing a couple of years for a gun crime was a reputation builder....the thug coming out of jail would get a career boost...now, a 30 year sentence is a life changer...and not worth it to the boss, who can now be held responsible for the criminal violence of their underlings, and it isn't worth it to the thug....who will be over 50 when they walk out of prison.....

But please.....explain the laws you think will lower the gun crime rate....

Keeping in mind that as more Americans own and actually carry guns, our gun murder and gun crime rate has gone down......

Every single day there are gun deaths and other crimes with guns because the availability of guns all over this country. So basically you want to sell more guns and flood the streets with more guns.
That's your goal right? Don't worry about any laws.................... Just pure lawlessness.

Gun Violence by the Numbers

With 357,000,000 million guns in private hands....how many children were killed in 2014...compared to other ways of dying?

The accidental gun death rate for children went down...as more Americans bought and carried guns...do you realize that?

Broker Version 9.4

Accidental death by cause for 2014.....ages <1-14. ( 320 million guns in private hands in 2013) (74.2 million children 2010 census)


Accidental gun...48 ( 2013...69) ( 2012...58) ( 2011...74)
Accidental drowning...647
Accidental car deaths...1,083
Accidental falls...53
----------------
Compared to accidental gun deaths in 2013...
Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013....in a country with 74.2 million children in 2010...
Broker Version 9.4

Under 1 year old: 3

1-4 years old: 27

5-9 years old: 15

10-15 years old: 24

Total: 69 ( in a country of 320 million people)





Accidental gun death: 2014

<1.... 0

1-4.... 22

5-9.... 14

10-14.... 12

total: 48
--------
Accidental Drowning:
<1.... 29

1-4.... 388

5-9.... 125

10-14.... 105

Total: 647
-------
Accidental car deaths;

<1.... 61

1-4.... 293

5-9.... 345

10-14....384
Total: 1,083
-----------------
Accidental poisoning:
<1.... 9

1-4.... 28

5-9.... 9

10-14.... 22

Total: 68
-------
Accidental Falls:
<1.... 8

1-4.... 24

5-9....8

10-14.... 13

Total: 53

I've seen and read all the same link you've been posting over and over.......... Hate to tell you that law abiding citizen like me will side with the new law.

Yes you will....that is the whole point.....the criminals won't.....

Do you realize that Britain did everything you want.....confiscated guns........and their gun crime rate did not change since the 1990s......in fact...their violent crime rate went up last year 27%....their gun crime rate went up 4% last year and they are finding more fully automatic weapons in the hands of criminals...and those criminals are shooting at police more and more.....

the whole point you do not want to admit...is that what we say is true, and what you believe is completely wrong...

when you ban guns, only criminals will have them....and from Britain, to Japan....to France and Australia....that is exactly what has happened....

You will obey the new law....the criminals won't...you are dumb.

 

[2aguy]

Unsurprisingly, all of this nonsense, none of which will do anything to prevent gun-related crime, is based on emotion ignorance and/or dishonesty.

Do you have any suggestions Einstein?

Yeah...I do....if you catch someone committing a crime with a gun, you arrest them and give them 30 years....like they do in Japan. If you catch a felon in possession of an illegal gun....you arrest them and put them in prison for 30 years.

The 30 year sentence has decreased Japan's gun crime...the Yakuza bosses have stated that in the past....doing a couple of years for a gun crime was a reputation builder....the thug coming out of jail would get a career boost...now, a 30 year sentence is a life changer...and not worth it to the boss, who can now be held responsible for the criminal violence of their underlings, and it isn't worth it to the thug....who will be over 50 when they walk out of prison.....

But please.....explain the laws you think will lower the gun crime rate....

Keeping in mind that as more Americans own and actually carry guns, our gun murder and gun crime rate has gone down......

Every single day there are gun deaths and other crimes with guns because the availability of guns all over this country. So basically you want to sell more guns and flood the streets with more guns.
That's your goal right? Don't worry about any laws.................... Just pure lawlessness.

Gun Violence by the Numbers

With 357,000,000 million guns in private hands....how many children were killed in 2014...compared to other ways of dying?

The accidental gun death rate for children went down...as more Americans bought and carried guns...do you realize that?

Broker Version 9.4

Accidental death by cause for 2014.....ages <1-14. ( 320 million guns in private hands in 2013) (74.2 million children 2010 census)


Accidental gun...48 ( 2013...69) ( 2012...58) ( 2011...74)
Accidental drowning...647
Accidental car deaths...1,083
Accidental falls...53
----------------
Compared to accidental gun deaths in 2013...
Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013....in a country with 74.2 million children in 2010...
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Under 1 year old: 3

1-4 years old: 27

5-9 years old: 15

10-15 years old: 24

Total: 69 ( in a country of 320 million people)





Accidental gun death: 2014

<1.... 0

1-4.... 22

5-9.... 14

10-14.... 12

total: 48
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Accidental Drowning:
<1.... 29

1-4.... 388

5-9.... 125

10-14.... 105

Total: 647
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Accidental car deaths;

<1.... 61

1-4.... 293

5-9.... 345

10-14....384
Total: 1,083
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Accidental poisoning:
<1.... 9

1-4.... 28

5-9.... 9

10-14.... 22

Total: 68
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Accidental Falls:
<1.... 8

1-4.... 24

5-9....8

10-14.... 13

Total: 53

I've seen and read all the same link you've been posting over and over.......... Hate to tell you that law abiding citizen like me will side with the new law.

And of course the truth, the facts, and reality find no home in your brain....

 

[2aguy]

Unsurprisingly, all of this nonsense, none of which will do anything to prevent gun-related crime, is based on emotion ignorance and/or dishonesty.

Do you have any suggestions Einstein?

Yeah...I do....if you catch someone committing a crime with a gun, you arrest them and give them 30 years....like they do in Japan. If you catch a felon in possession of an illegal gun....you arrest them and put them in prison for 30 years.

The 30 year sentence has decreased Japan's gun crime...the Yakuza bosses have stated that in the past....doing a couple of years for a gun crime was a reputation builder....the thug coming out of jail would get a career boost...now, a 30 year sentence is a life changer...and not worth it to the boss, who can now be held responsible for the criminal violence of their underlings, and it isn't worth it to the thug....who will be over 50 when they walk out of prison.....

But please.....explain the laws you think will lower the gun crime rate....

Keeping in mind that as more Americans own and actually carry guns, our gun murder and gun crime rate has gone down......

Every single day there are gun deaths and other crimes with guns because the availability of guns all over this country. So basically you want to sell more guns and flood the streets with more guns.
That's your goal right? Don't worry about any laws.................... Just pure lawlessness.

Gun Violence by the Numbers

With 357,000,000 million guns in private hands....how many children were killed in 2014...compared to other ways of dying?

The accidental gun death rate for children went down...as more Americans bought and carried guns...do you realize that?

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Accidental death by cause for 2014.....ages <1-14. ( 320 million guns in private hands in 2013) (74.2 million children 2010 census)


Accidental gun...48 ( 2013...69) ( 2012...58) ( 2011...74)
Accidental drowning...647
Accidental car deaths...1,083
Accidental falls...53
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Compared to accidental gun deaths in 2013...
Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013....in a country with 74.2 million children in 2010...
Broker Version 9.4

Under 1 year old: 3

1-4 years old: 27

5-9 years old: 15

10-15 years old: 24

Total: 69 ( in a country of 320 million people)





Accidental gun death: 2014

<1.... 0

1-4.... 22

5-9.... 14

10-14.... 12

total: 48
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Accidental Drowning:
<1.... 29

1-4.... 388

5-9.... 125

10-14.... 105

Total: 647
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Accidental car deaths;

<1.... 61

1-4.... 293

5-9.... 345

10-14....384
Total: 1,083
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Accidental poisoning:
<1.... 9

1-4.... 28

5-9.... 9

10-14.... 22

Total: 68
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Accidental Falls:
<1.... 8

1-4.... 24

5-9....8

10-14.... 13

Total: 53

I've seen and read all the same link you've been posting over and over.......... Hate to tell you that law abiding citizen like me will side with the new law.

Do you acknowledge that the Atlantic Article lied in how they used David Kopel's research on Japan.....? Can you do that at least....?

 

[charwin95]

Do you have any suggestions Einstein?

Yeah...I do....if you catch someone committing a crime with a gun, you arrest them and give them 30 years....like they do in Japan. If you catch a felon in possession of an illegal gun....you arrest them and put them in prison for 30 years.

The 30 year sentence has decreased Japan's gun crime...the Yakuza bosses have stated that in the past....doing a couple of years for a gun crime was a reputation builder....the thug coming out of jail would get a career boost...now, a 30 year sentence is a life changer...and not worth it to the boss, who can now be held responsible for the criminal violence of their underlings, and it isn't worth it to the thug....who will be over 50 when they walk out of prison.....

But please.....explain the laws you think will lower the gun crime rate....

Keeping in mind that as more Americans own and actually carry guns, our gun murder and gun crime rate has gone down......

In Japan guns are not available to the general population to purchase a gun. I live there temporary and I still travel Tokyo and matsudo I have not seen a single gun store. Tough prison doesn't mean much.............. when almost no one poses a gun in Japan.

How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

here is how Japan has stopped most gun crime.....the real gun crime...the kind you don't stop by taking guns from normal, law abiding people.....

Yakuza Wars: Is Japan on Verge of New Wave of Gang Fighting?

According to Suzuki, contemporary mafia wars have become very different from what they used to be in the past after the government in recent years introduced very strict penalties for the use of both firearms and bladed-weapons.

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Nowadays, Yakuza gangs need to save their troops as even for a small-scale confrontation several of their members could get arrested. If in the past, killers would get no more than 10 years in prison and upon release they would get a high-ranking position; now they could be facing at least 30 years behind the bars, which means a person's life is essentially over and that changed things dramatically, Suzuki said.



Furthermore, new Japanese anti-gang rules now hold Yakuza bosses responsible for crimes committed by lower-status members of a criminal syndicate, said Atsushi Mizoguchi, another expert on the Japanese crime scene.

"So the bosses will be reluctant to get into a struggle," Mizoguchi told journalists during a press conference last year in Tokyo.

Guns are not available to the general public that is why they have a low crimes and gun deaths. Period. Not because of long jail term.

This is what the expert, cited in your very own link said about Japan's gun control laws....your link...the article from the Atlantic cited this very study, by this very man...and then lied about what his conclusion was.....I gave you the link, and the quote and showed you how the Atlantic journalist lied...

Do you understand that?


Japan: Gun Control and People Control

Japan's low crime rate has almost nothing to do with gun control, and everything to do with people control. Americans, used to their own traditions of freedom, would not accept Japan's system of people controls and gun controls.

I totally agree but the statement you made earlier that Japan has low gun crimes because long jail term. That I totally disagree because almost no one has a gun in Japan and there are no gun store in Japan.

 

[2aguy]

Yeah...I do....if you catch someone committing a crime with a gun, you arrest them and give them 30 years....like they do in Japan. If you catch a felon in possession of an illegal gun....you arrest them and put them in prison for 30 years.

The 30 year sentence has decreased Japan's gun crime...the Yakuza bosses have stated that in the past....doing a couple of years for a gun crime was a reputation builder....the thug coming out of jail would get a career boost...now, a 30 year sentence is a life changer...and not worth it to the boss, who can now be held responsible for the criminal violence of their underlings, and it isn't worth it to the thug....who will be over 50 when they walk out of prison.....

But please.....explain the laws you think will lower the gun crime rate....

Keeping in mind that as more Americans own and actually carry guns, our gun murder and gun crime rate has gone down......

In Japan guns are not available to the general population to purchase a gun. I live there temporary and I still travel Tokyo and matsudo I have not seen a single gun store. Tough prison doesn't mean much.............. when almost no one poses a gun in Japan.

How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

here is how Japan has stopped most gun crime.....the real gun crime...the kind you don't stop by taking guns from normal, law abiding people.....

Yakuza Wars: Is Japan on Verge of New Wave of Gang Fighting?

According to Suzuki, contemporary mafia wars have become very different from what they used to be in the past after the government in recent years introduced very strict penalties for the use of both firearms and bladed-weapons.

-----

Nowadays, Yakuza gangs need to save their troops as even for a small-scale confrontation several of their members could get arrested. If in the past, killers would get no more than 10 years in prison and upon release they would get a high-ranking position; now they could be facing at least 30 years behind the bars, which means a person's life is essentially over and that changed things dramatically, Suzuki said.



Furthermore, new Japanese anti-gang rules now hold Yakuza bosses responsible for crimes committed by lower-status members of a criminal syndicate, said Atsushi Mizoguchi, another expert on the Japanese crime scene.

"So the bosses will be reluctant to get into a struggle," Mizoguchi told journalists during a press conference last year in Tokyo.

Guns are not available to the general public that is why they have a low crimes and gun deaths. Period. Not because of long jail term.

This is what the expert, cited in your very own link said about Japan's gun control laws....your link...the article from the Atlantic cited this very study, by this very man...and then lied about what his conclusion was.....I gave you the link, and the quote and showed you how the Atlantic journalist lied...

Do you understand that?


Japan: Gun Control and People Control

Japan's low crime rate has almost nothing to do with gun control, and everything to do with people control. Americans, used to their own traditions of freedom, would not accept Japan's system of people controls and gun controls.

I totally agree but the statement you made earlier that Japan has low gun crimes because long jail term. That I totally disagree because almost no one has a gun in Japan and there are no gun store in Japan.

Do you realize that the Yakuza get guns when they want them? That they use them to kill each other during their wars....and they also like to use grenades....are grenades legal or illegal in Japan?

 

[2aguy]

Yeah...I do....if you catch someone committing a crime with a gun, you arrest them and give them 30 years....like they do in Japan. If you catch a felon in possession of an illegal gun....you arrest them and put them in prison for 30 years.

The 30 year sentence has decreased Japan's gun crime...the Yakuza bosses have stated that in the past....doing a couple of years for a gun crime was a reputation builder....the thug coming out of jail would get a career boost...now, a 30 year sentence is a life changer...and not worth it to the boss, who can now be held responsible for the criminal violence of their underlings, and it isn't worth it to the thug....who will be over 50 when they walk out of prison.....

But please.....explain the laws you think will lower the gun crime rate....

Keeping in mind that as more Americans own and actually carry guns, our gun murder and gun crime rate has gone down......

In Japan guns are not available to the general population to purchase a gun. I live there temporary and I still travel Tokyo and matsudo I have not seen a single gun store. Tough prison doesn't mean much.............. when almost no one poses a gun in Japan.

How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

here is how Japan has stopped most gun crime.....the real gun crime...the kind you don't stop by taking guns from normal, law abiding people.....

Yakuza Wars: Is Japan on Verge of New Wave of Gang Fighting?

According to Suzuki, contemporary mafia wars have become very different from what they used to be in the past after the government in recent years introduced very strict penalties for the use of both firearms and bladed-weapons.

-----

Nowadays, Yakuza gangs need to save their troops as even for a small-scale confrontation several of their members could get arrested. If in the past, killers would get no more than 10 years in prison and upon release they would get a high-ranking position; now they could be facing at least 30 years behind the bars, which means a person's life is essentially over and that changed things dramatically, Suzuki said.



Furthermore, new Japanese anti-gang rules now hold Yakuza bosses responsible for crimes committed by lower-status members of a criminal syndicate, said Atsushi Mizoguchi, another expert on the Japanese crime scene.

"So the bosses will be reluctant to get into a struggle," Mizoguchi told journalists during a press conference last year in Tokyo.

Guns are not available to the general public that is why they have a low crimes and gun deaths. Period. Not because of long jail term.

This is what the expert, cited in your very own link said about Japan's gun control laws....your link...the article from the Atlantic cited this very study, by this very man...and then lied about what his conclusion was.....I gave you the link, and the quote and showed you how the Atlantic journalist lied...

Do you understand that?


Japan: Gun Control and People Control

Japan's low crime rate has almost nothing to do with gun control, and everything to do with people control. Americans, used to their own traditions of freedom, would not accept Japan's system of people controls and gun controls.

I totally agree but the statement you made earlier that Japan has low gun crimes because long jail term. That I totally disagree because almost no one has a gun in Japan and there are no gun store in Japan.

This discusses the Yakuza buying up guns and hitmen for their upcoming gang war....

and another article points out how grenades were used in the last war...in 2006...

Gangs buying up guns and hitmen.....2015

Again.....Are grenades illegal in Japan?

Notice

By proposing high pay, the recruiters are trying to encourage the gang warfare by hinting that those who carry out the first hits will be paid more,” the source said.

A former high-ranking gang member living in the Kanto region said he began receiving calls asking about the availability of loaded guns from around late August, when the Yamaguchi-gumi split came to light.

The calls, eight in total, to the former gangster’s mobile phone continued into September.

Without saying who made the calls, the former gangster said the requests likely came from both sides involved in the Yamaguchi-gumi breakup.

The large number of intermediaries involved in supplying guns made it difficult to pinpoint who was actually going on the shopping spree, the former mobster said.


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By Benjamin David Baker
November 20, 2015

Japan Faces a Possible Mob War After Yakuza Gang Fractures

However, few things are more dangerous than when mob families go to war.

This fear seems to have been vindicated. According to the Asahi Shimbun, both the Yamaguchi-gumi and the thirteen splinter groups have been busy buying up weapons and lining up hitmen. The first shots in this mob war might have already been fired outside a hot spring facility in Iida, Nagano Prefecture. The 43-year-old man who was shot and killed outside a bathhouse on October 6 wanted to leave a Yamaguchi-gumi affiliate and join the newly formed rival organization consisting of the rebel gangs.

In what might be retaliation for this murder, a boss in the original Yamaguchi-gumi was killed on Sunday. Tatsuyuki Hishida was found tied up in his apartment after being bludgeoned to death. Police report that the killing was most likely in response to the Yamaguchi-gumi’s split.

The Japanese government has good reason to fear a gang war. Between 1985 and 1987, 25 Yakuza members were killedand around 70 were injured in a feud involving affiliated rival gangs. That bloodshed was triggered in part over disagreement over who should become the head of the Yamaguchi-gum

A few years ago, another war broke out between two rival gangs on the southern island of Kyushu, in which mobsters attacked each other with machine guns and grenades.






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The Great Japanese Gang Wars

The season for pineapples (yakuza slang for hand grenades) may finally be over. Jake Adelstein and Nathalie-Kyoko Stucky on the bloody, seven-year battle between the Dojin-kai and the Seido-kai.


In Southern Japan, the brutal pineapple season may finally be over; pineapple is yakuza slang for “hand grenade”—one of the many weapons utilized in a seven-year gang war between the Dojin-kai (1,000 members) and the splinter group the Kyushu Seido-kei (500 members).

It’s a gang war in which there have been over 45 violent incidents, including bombings, shots exchanged during high-speed car chases, and 14 deaths. At least seven deaths, including one civilian's, were from gunfire; a phenomenally high figure when you consider the number of gun deaths for all of Japan in 2011 was eight people. (Japan has some of the strictest gun-control laws in the world.)

On June 11, senior members of the Dojin-kai and the Kyushu Seido-kai (a.k.a. Seido-kai) visited the Fukuoka Police Kurume Police Station with an official announcement that they were ending the conflict. TheSeido-kai brought a virtual white flag, a notification of their dissolution (解散届け), in which they wrote, “For a long time we have made everyone ill at ease, disturbed people, and been a nuisance to society. We have decided our breakup is the only way to restore peace.” The Dojin-kai in turn proclaimed, “Since the Seido-kai is dissolved, this situation is over and we apologize to people and the authorities for the anxiety we have caused.”
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Handouts for Hand Grenades: Yakuza Gang War Leads to an Explosive Bounty

TOKYO -- Japan’s Fukuoka Prefecture Police have become the first in Japan to offer cash rewards to anyone who reports finding a hand grenade (or "pineapples" in yakuza slang) starting today, April 2. A long-running gang war in the prefecture has raised public fear in the area, and the handy hand-grenade has increasingly become the weapon of choice amongst rival gang members. As Japan has put into place increasingly harsher laws regulating the actions of the Japanese mafia, aka the yakuza, forcing many out of business--the remaining thugs are fighting viciously over what's left of the pie

When gang members aren't lobbing grenades or shooting at each other, they are shooting at the offices of companies trying to cut organized crime Last year, on Nov. 26, Toshihiro Uchino, the 72-year-old president of Hakushin Construction --which was trying to cut ties to local gangs---was shot to death outside his home in Kitakyushu.


The most violent of the groups and considered the primary user of hand grenades is the Kyushu Seidokai. The Kyushu Seidokai has expanded into Tokyo, setting up several front companies, and joined forces with Tadamasa Goto, a former Yamaguchi-gumi boss turned Buddhist priest, who has now re-emerged as a powerful player in Japan's underworld. Tokyo Police are also worried that "pineapples" may be thrown around the metropolis in the near future. "A coalition between Goto and the Kyushu Seido-kai doesn't bode well for the public safety," said a detective who works organized crime. "We’re not excited about the possibility of yakuza lobbing grenades into Tokyo offices and homes."
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[AmericanFirst1]

Unsurprisingly, all of this nonsense, none of which will do anything to prevent gun-related crime, is based on emotion ignorance and/or dishonesty.

Do you have any suggestions Einstein?

Yeah...I do....if you catch someone committing a crime with a gun, you arrest them and give them 30 years....like they do in Japan. If you catch a felon in possession of an illegal gun....you arrest them and put them in prison for 30 years.

The 30 year sentence has decreased Japan's gun crime...the Yakuza bosses have stated that in the past....doing a couple of years for a gun crime was a reputation builder....the thug coming out of jail would get a career boost...now, a 30 year sentence is a life changer...and not worth it to the boss, who can now be held responsible for the criminal violence of their underlings, and it isn't worth it to the thug....who will be over 50 when they walk out of prison.....

But please.....explain the laws you think will lower the gun crime rate....

Keeping in mind that as more Americans own and actually carry guns, our gun murder and gun crime rate has gone down......

Libtards are too much thug loving pussies to do that.