blackhawk
Diamond Member
Yes they can be fired but it dam near takes a act of God to accomplish it.
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NYC 'Rubber Rooms', where pedophile teachers chill out on the Taxpayers' dime. Yeah, NY Teacher Unions will have to be challenged at some point. They've made an awful mess of our Public School System.
NY is a prime example about how teachers unions dont care one iota about the children.
Don't feel too bad. Pauli is lying.
It's nice to see so many "conservatives" finally admit that yes, teachers can be fired.
So, maybe we drop the rhetoric of "Teachers can never be fired!" Ok?
NY is a prime example about how teachers unions dont care one iota about the children.
Don't feel too bad. Pauli is lying.
It's nice to see so many "conservatives" finally admit that yes, teachers can be fired.
So, maybe we drop the rhetoric of "Teachers can never be fired!" Ok?
No. He isn't sadly enough.
And conservatives cant finally admit something that's untrue.
Why are you completely ignoring how difficult it is to actually fire them?
NYC 'Rubber Rooms', where pedophile teachers chill out on the Taxpayers' dime. Yeah, NY Teacher Unions will have to be challenged at some point. They've made an awful mess of our Public School System.
NY is a prime example about how teachers unions dont care one iota about the children.
Don't feel too bad. Pauli is lying.
It's nice to see so many "conservatives" finally admit that yes, teachers can be fired.
So, maybe we drop the rhetoric of "Teachers can never be fired!" Ok?
In MANY places it is IMPOSSIBLE within the limitations and means of the education administration to fire union teachers.. And in others, they don't even bother because the kids would suffer too much as a result.
In MANY places it is IMPOSSIBLE within the limitations and means of the education administration to fire union teachers.. And in others, they don't even bother because the kids would suffer too much as a result.
This is 100% false.
And thank you for proving my point.
Can they be fired? Yes, but for simply being incompetent? Effectively, no.NYC 'Rubber Rooms', where pedophile teachers chill out on the Taxpayers' dime. Yeah, NY Teacher Unions will have to be challenged at some point. They've made an awful mess of our Public School System.
NY is a prime example about how teachers unions dont care one iota about the children.
Don't feel too bad. Pauli is lying.
It's nice to see so many "conservatives" finally admit that yes, teachers can be fired.
So, maybe we drop the rhetoric of "Teachers can never be fired!" Ok?
In MANY places it is IMPOSSIBLE within the limitations and means of the education administration to fire union teachers.. And in others, they don't even bother because the kids would suffer too much as a result.
This is 100% false.
And thank you for proving my point.
Incompetent tenured teacher, I take it?Don't feel too bad. Pauli is lying.
It's nice to see so many "conservatives" finally admit that yes, teachers can be fired.
So, maybe we drop the rhetoric of "Teachers can never be fired!" Ok?
No. He isn't sadly enough.
And conservatives cant finally admit something that's untrue.
Why are you completely ignoring how difficult it is to actually fire them?
He's not lying? Huh. Is that why he provided a link to the story? Oh wait. He didn't provide a link. Curious.
I'm not ignoring anything. You guys are fixated on tenured teachers only. Teachers who have already put in years of successful teaching and now have more job security. OF COURSE they should be harder to fire after years of working toward tenure. It would be idiotic to just drop them with two weeks' notice.
But tenured teachers aren't the only teachers and aren't even the majority. The majority can be fired for being bad just like anyone else can. You guys utterly, and completely, ignore that fact any time discussions of teachers or unions come up.
So why is that? Why do you only focus on tenured teachers? And why do you feel tenured teacher should be easily fired?
Don't feel too bad. Pauli is lying.
It's nice to see so many "conservatives" finally admit that yes, teachers can be fired.
So, maybe we drop the rhetoric of "Teachers can never be fired!" Ok?
No. He isn't sadly enough.
And conservatives cant finally admit something that's untrue.
Why are you completely ignoring how difficult it is to actually fire them?
He's not lying? Huh. Is that why he provided a link to the story? Oh wait. He didn't provide a link. Curious.
I'm not ignoring anything. You guys are fixated on tenured teachers only. Teachers who have already put in years of successful teaching and now have more job security. OF COURSE they should be harder to fire after years of working toward tenure. It would be idiotic to just drop them with two weeks' notice.
But tenured teachers aren't the only teachers and aren't even the majority. The majority can be fired for being bad just like anyone else can. You guys utterly, and completely, ignore that fact any time discussions of teachers or unions come up.
So why is that? Why do you only focus on tenured teachers? And why do you feel tenured teacher should be easily fired?
More or less Reallyfuckingstupid got his answer, didn't like it so now the goal post has changed.
The question was can a teacher in a Union be fired, reallyfuckingstupid adds that many conservatives say they can't be. The poll is dominated with "yes" but near everyone gives a follow up of "but it's really hard to fire a teacher in a Union, and they are in fact correct. This is probably similar to the answers reallyfuckingstupid received in threads where conservatives said "Union teachers can't be fired," but to reallyfuckingstupid the reality of how incredibly hard and expensive it is to fire a teacher that pretty much has to murder or rape *multiple* students to get fired gets right past him.
The question then changes to an attack, because the answer with a follow up is too damned logical and doesnt make conservatives look bad as reallyfuckingstupid had originally intended. And that was the point of the thread, not to get an answer, but to try and make people look bad...
Since when did anyone have to answer to a strawman argument?More or less Reallyfuckingstupid got his answer, didn't like it so now the goal post has changed.
The question was can a teacher in a Union be fired, reallyfuckingstupid adds that many conservatives say they can't be. The poll is dominated with "yes" but near everyone gives a follow up of "but it's really hard to fire a teacher in a Union, and they are in fact correct. This is probably similar to the answers reallyfuckingstupid received in threads where conservatives said "Union teachers can't be fired," but to reallyfuckingstupid the reality of how incredibly hard and expensive it is to fire a teacher that pretty much has to murder or rape *multiple* students to get fired gets right past him.
The question then changes to an attack, because the answer with a follow up is too damned logical and doesnt make conservatives look bad as reallyfuckingstupid had originally intended. And that was the point of the thread, not to get an answer, but to try and make people look bad...
I think my point was clear. Sorry you didn't understand it. I'll try to use smaller words.
Conservatives complain that teachers either can't be fired or are "hard" to fire, but that is 100% not true for teachers as a whole. The group you all are whining about is TENURED teachers. Tenured teachers are harder to fire, yes, AS THEY SHOULD BE. Absolutely none of you has answered my question of why those tenured teachers should be easily dismissed.
But hey, if it makes you feel better to insult and mock and be a coward and not address the conversation, that's cool. Just know that you all are whining over something that isn't true.
Since when did anyone have to answer to a strawman argument?More or less Reallyfuckingstupid got his answer, didn't like it so now the goal post has changed.
The question was can a teacher in a Union be fired, reallyfuckingstupid adds that many conservatives say they can't be. The poll is dominated with "yes" but near everyone gives a follow up of "but it's really hard to fire a teacher in a Union, and they are in fact correct. This is probably similar to the answers reallyfuckingstupid received in threads where conservatives said "Union teachers can't be fired," but to reallyfuckingstupid the reality of how incredibly hard and expensive it is to fire a teacher that pretty much has to murder or rape *multiple* students to get fired gets right past him.
The question then changes to an attack, because the answer with a follow up is too damned logical and doesnt make conservatives look bad as reallyfuckingstupid had originally intended. And that was the point of the thread, not to get an answer, but to try and make people look bad...
I think my point was clear. Sorry you didn't understand it. I'll try to use smaller words.
Conservatives complain that teachers either can't be fired or are "hard" to fire, but that is 100% not true for teachers as a whole. The group you all are whining about is TENURED teachers. Tenured teachers are harder to fire, yes, AS THEY SHOULD BE. Absolutely none of you has answered my question of why those tenured teachers should be easily dismissed.
But hey, if it makes you feel better to insult and mock and be a coward and not address the conversation, that's cool. Just know that you all are whining over something that isn't true.
Tell Me, a tenured teacher should be immune to dismissal for poor performance because??????
Your momma needs you.Since when did anyone have to answer to a strawman argument?I think my point was clear. Sorry you didn't understand it. I'll try to use smaller words.
Conservatives complain that teachers either can't be fired or are "hard" to fire, but that is 100% not true for teachers as a whole. The group you all are whining about is TENURED teachers. Tenured teachers are harder to fire, yes, AS THEY SHOULD BE. Absolutely none of you has answered my question of why those tenured teachers should be easily dismissed.
But hey, if it makes you feel better to insult and mock and be a coward and not address the conversation, that's cool. Just know that you all are whining over something that isn't true.
Tell Me, a tenured teacher should be immune to dismissal for poor performance because??????
THEY'RE NOT IMMUNE!
Christ .... how do so many of you have an opinion on something you know nothing about??
Your momma needs you.Since when did anyone have to answer to a strawman argument?
Tell Me, a tenured teacher should be immune to dismissal for poor performance because??????
THEY'RE NOT IMMUNE!
Christ .... how do so many of you have an opinion on something you know nothing about??
I did not say they were. I said why should they be? That is what you want, isn't it? That teachers should be immune if they have tenure?
Do you ever fucking know why they developed tenure? I'll give you a hint.
It had nothing to fucking do with Republicans.
Lets see if yo even have a clue as to what you are talking about.
So, you don't know?Your momma needs you.THEY'RE NOT IMMUNE!
Christ .... how do so many of you have an opinion on something you know nothing about??
I did not say they were. I said why should they be? That is what you want, isn't it? That teachers should be immune if they have tenure?
Do you ever fucking know why they developed tenure? I'll give you a hint.
It had nothing to fucking do with Republicans.
Lets see if yo even have a clue as to what you are talking about.
Well, thank you for trying to put words in my mouth and for being yet another person to avoid the question.
Way to add nothing to the conversation.