Can Obamacare be Fixed?

[Toddsterpatriot]

So now you have actually read the graph and see it says that quantity demanded is increasing and price falling.

And now you want to change the subject to distract from the fact that you couldn't read a graph.

That's typical of you Todd, can't admit you made a mistake.

This is what you disagreed with

"Notice it shows the quantity demanded increasing and the price going down."

You reply, "Holy crap, are you bad at econ."

I did mispeak with; "Alternatively, when the demand shifts to the left, to higher quantity" I shpuld have said lower quantity or right.

So now you have actually read the graph and see it says that quantity demanded is increasing and price falling.

Wrong, you silly twit, it shows supply increasing, leading to lower price and higher demand.

You see (you don't, smart people do) that the supply curve shifted.
Do you see it now? After I told you multiple times?
See, supply curve S1 and now a new supply curve S2?
Which leads to Price P1 dropping to a lower Price P2
which gives us quantity demanded Q1 rising to a new, higher quantity demanded Q2.
That's typical of you, can't admit you made a mistake.

The application of this to Obamacare is?

Obamacare is not a product. Healthcare delivery is one of the most closed markets ever.

A graph that depicts what happens in a theoretical perfect market has zero application here.

The other guy posted it, and misread it, ask him.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So now you have actually read the graph and see it says that quantity demanded is increasing and price falling.

And now you want to change the subject to distract from the fact that you couldn't read a graph.

That's typical of you Todd, can't admit you made a mistake.

This is what you disagreed with

"Notice it shows the quantity demanded increasing and the price going down."

You reply, "Holy crap, are you bad at econ."

I did mispeak with; "Alternatively, when the demand shifts to the left, to higher quantity" I shpuld have said lower quantity or right.

So now you have actually read the graph and see it says that quantity demanded is increasing and price falling.

Wrong, you silly twit, it shows supply increasing, leading to lower price and higher demand.

You see (you don't, smart people do) that the supply curve shifted.
Do you see it now? After I told you multiple times?
See, supply curve S1 and now a new supply curve S2?
Which leads to Price P1 dropping to a lower Price P2
which gives us quantity demanded Q1 rising to a new, higher quantity demanded Q2.
That's typical of you, can't admit you made a mistake.

You pleading smart is worth the price of admission here.

We've already seen that, compared to you, I'm a freakin' genius.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So now you have actually read the graph and see it says that quantity demanded is increasing and price falling.

And now you want to change the subject to distract from the fact that you couldn't read a graph.

That's typical of you Todd, can't admit you made a mistake.

This is what you disagreed with

"Notice it shows the quantity demanded increasing and the price going down."

You reply, "Holy crap, are you bad at econ."

I did mispeak with; "Alternatively, when the demand shifts to the left, to higher quantity" I shpuld have said lower quantity or right.

So now you have actually read the graph and see it says that quantity demanded is increasing and price falling.

Wrong, you silly twit, it shows supply increasing, leading to lower price and higher demand.

You see (you don't, smart people do) that the supply curve shifted.
Do you see it now? After I told you multiple times?
See, supply curve S1 and now a new supply curve S2?
Which leads to Price P1 dropping to a lower Price P2
which gives us quantity demanded Q1 rising to a new, higher quantity demanded Q2.
That's typical of you, can't admit you made a mistake.

Todd, you are so full of shit. You have the attention span of a poodle and the memory of a mouse. All you manage to do is keep up the bullshit so long that the original quote drops of and you can imagine whatever you want.
Here is the original conversation.

"Decrease in Price causes an increase in quantity demand."[1]

Apparently you didn't learn your material very will.

It says that;

when the quantity demanded increases, then the demand price goes DOWN.

Here is the supply and demand curves for you to look at

Notice it shows the quantity demanded increasing and the price going down.

People will purchase more of it at a lower price and if the price is higher, then they will purchase less of it.

Now you are finally getting it. There is no change to the demand curve. The change is an increase in demand quantity.

Typically, what happens in markets, is the both the supply and demand curve shift simultaneously. We seldom, if not every, actually see the equilibrium point following one of the two curves.

Still, what evidence do you have to support that the demand curve alone is going to shift?

Oh, in your imagination. That's right, you don't actually have evidence of anything, you believe if you ask stupid question, somehow reality magically changes.

It says that;

when the quantity demanded increases, then the demand price goes DOWN.

Your original error, still funny.

Now you are finally getting it. There is no change to the demand curve. The change is an increase in demand quantity.

Maybe you have some examples where an increase in demand leads to a drop in price?

 

[itfitzme]

So now you have actually read the graph and see it says that quantity demanded is increasing and price falling.

Wrong, you silly twit, it shows supply increasing, leading to lower price and higher demand.

You see (you don't, smart people do) that the supply curve shifted.
Do you see it now? After I told you multiple times?
See, supply curve S1 and now a new supply curve S2?
Which leads to Price P1 dropping to a lower Price P2
which gives us quantity demanded Q1 rising to a new, higher quantity demanded Q2.
That's typical of you, can't admit you made a mistake.

Todd, you are so full of shit. You have the attention span of a poodle and the memory of a mouse. All you manage to do is keep up the bullshit so long that the original quote drops of and you can imagine whatever you want.
Here is the original conversation.

"Decrease in Price causes an increase in quantity demand."[1]

Apparently you didn't learn your material very will.

It says that;

when the quantity demanded increases, then the demand price goes DOWN.

Here is the supply and demand curves for you to look at

Notice it shows the quantity demanded increasing and the price going down.

People will purchase more of it at a lower price and if the price is higher, then they will purchase less of it.

Now you are finally getting it. There is no change to the demand curve. The change is an increase in demand quantity.

Typically, what happens in markets, is the both the supply and demand curve shift simultaneously. We seldom, if not every, actually see the equilibrium point following one of the two curves.

Still, what evidence do you have to support that the demand curve alone is going to shift?

Oh, in your imagination. That's right, you don't actually have evidence of anything, you believe if you ask stupid question, somehow reality magically changes.

It says that;

when the quantity demanded increases, then the demand price goes DOWN.

Your original error, still funny.

Now you are finally getting it. There is no change to the demand curve. The change is an increase in demand quantity.

Maybe you have some examples where an increase in demand leads to a drop in price?

You are an idiot. What do you think you are talking about?

This was the orginal post by Bern80

No it's what a learned in Economics class in high school that apparently you didn't. Look at a supply and demand curve sometime. When quantity demanded goes up, which is essentially the goal of Obamacare, price goes up.

You make up your own arguments to have.

 

[itfitzme]

I mostly see reports of skyrocketing premiums and deductibles. Obamacare is a copy of Romneycare in Massachusetts enacted 7 years before Obamacare. This is what our Obamacare future holds in store for us. Study: Massachusetts Residents Wait Up To 2 Months For Doctors

Here some interesting statistics from United Nations International Health Organization.

Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after diagnosis: U.S. 65% England 46% Canada 42%

Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received treatment within six months: U.S. 93% England 15% Canada 43%

Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within six months: U.S. 90% England 15% Canada 43%

Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within one month: U.S. 77% England 40% Canada 43%

Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people: U.S. 71 England 14 Canada 18

Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in "excellent health": U.S. 12% England 2% Canada 6%

And now for the last statistic: National Health Insurance? U.S. NO England YES Canada YES

Which is why ACA isn't national health insurance.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Todd, you are so full of shit. You have the attention span of a poodle and the memory of a mouse. All you manage to do is keep up the bullshit so long that the original quote drops of and you can imagine whatever you want.
Here is the original conversation.



Now you are finally getting it. There is no change to the demand curve. The change is an increase in demand quantity.

Typically, what happens in markets, is the both the supply and demand curve shift simultaneously. We seldom, if not every, actually see the equilibrium point following one of the two curves.

Still, what evidence do you have to support that the demand curve alone is going to shift?

Oh, in your imagination. That's right, you don't actually have evidence of anything, you believe if you ask stupid question, somehow reality magically changes.

It says that;

when the quantity demanded increases, then the demand price goes DOWN.

Your original error, still funny.

Now you are finally getting it. There is no change to the demand curve. The change is an increase in demand quantity.

Maybe you have some examples where an increase in demand leads to a drop in price?

You are an idiot. What do you think you are talking about?

This was the orginal post by Bern80

No it's what a learned in Economics class in high school that apparently you didn't. Look at a supply and demand curve sometime. When quantity demanded goes up, which is essentially the goal of Obamacare, price goes up.

You make up your own arguments to have.

What do you think you are talking about?

I'm mocking your claim that an increase in demand leads to falling prices.

Perhaps you'd like to revise your claim?

 

[itfitzme]

It says that;

when the quantity demanded increases, then the demand price goes DOWN.

Your original error, still funny.

Now you are finally getting it. There is no change to the demand curve. The change is an increase in demand quantity.

Maybe you have some examples where an increase in demand leads to a drop in price?

You are an idiot. What do you think you are talking about?

This was the orginal post by Bern80

No it's what a learned in Economics class in high school that apparently you didn't. Look at a supply and demand curve sometime. When quantity demanded goes up, which is essentially the goal of Obamacare, price goes up.

You make up your own arguments to have.

What do you think you are talking about?

I'm mocking your claim that an increase in demand leads to falling prices.

Perhaps you'd like to revise your claim?

Dude, your an idiot that doesn't know micro econ because that is exactly what micro economics says, than an increase in quantity demanded is accompanied by decreased prices. The opposite is that price increases are accompanied by a decrease in the quantity demanded.

What part of micro economics don't you understand?

Or are you creating an argument where non exists?

Microeconomics/Supply and Demand - Wikibooks, open books for an open world

"If there is a strong demand for gas, but there is less gasoline, then the price goes up. If conditions change and there is a smaller demand for gas, for instance if everyone started using electric cars, or the commodity becomes more available, for instance a new oil field is discovered, then the price of the commodity decreases."

What part of quantity up, price down, price up, quantity down, don't you get?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You are an idiot. What do you think you are talking about?

This was the orginal post by Bern80



You make up your own arguments to have.

What do you think you are talking about?

I'm mocking your claim that an increase in demand leads to falling prices.

Perhaps you'd like to revise your claim?

Dude, your an idiot that doesn't know micro econ because that is exactly what micro economics says, than an increase in quantity demanded is accompanied by decreased prices. The opposite is that price increases are accompanied by a decrease in the quantity demanded.

What part of micro economics don't you understand?

Or are you creating an argument where non exists?

Microeconomics/Supply and Demand - Wikibooks, open books for an open world

"If there is a strong demand for gas, but there is less gasoline, then the price goes up. If conditions change and there is a smaller demand for gas, for instance if everyone started using electric cars, or the commodity becomes more available, for instance a new oil field is discovered, then the price of the commodity decreases."

What part of quantity up, price down, price up, quantity down, don't you get?

I can't stand your idiocy anymore.

See?
An increase in demand causes an increase in price.

Your chart shows an increase in supply.
Get it yet?

What part of micro economics don't you understand?

The part where your idiotic claim comes up.

If there is a strong demand for gas, but there is less gasoline, then the price goes up

This will be the result of Obamacare, demand for healthcare will rise, leading to higher prices.

If conditions change and there is a smaller demand for gas, for instance if everyone started using electric cars, or the commodity becomes more available, for instance a new oil field is discovered, then the price of the commodity decreases

Look at that, in your own source, demand had to drop for prices to decrease.
The opposite of your moronic claim that increased demand for gas would cause a drop in price.

 

[Immanuel]

So now you have actually read the graph and see it says that quantity demanded is increasing and price falling.

And now you want to change the subject to distract from the fact that you couldn't read a graph.

That's typical of you Todd, can't admit you made a mistake.

This is what you disagreed with

"Notice it shows the quantity demanded increasing and the price going down."

You reply, "Holy crap, are you bad at econ."

I did mispeak with; "Alternatively, when the demand shifts to the left, to higher quantity" I shpuld have said lower quantity or right.

So now you have actually read the graph and see it says that quantity demanded is increasing and price falling.

Wrong, you silly twit, it shows supply increasing, leading to lower price and higher demand.

You see (you don't, smart people do) that the supply curve shifted.
Do you see it now? After I told you multiple times?
See, supply curve S1 and now a new supply curve S2?
Which leads to Price P1 dropping to a lower Price P2
which gives us quantity demanded Q1 rising to a new, higher quantity demanded Q2.
That's typical of you, can't admit you made a mistake.

The application of this to Obamacare is?

Obamacare is not a product. Healthcare delivery is one of the most closed markets ever.

A graph that depicts what happens in a theoretical perfect market has zero application here.

You are absolutely correct. Obamacare is not a product. It is an obscenity.

Immie

 

[itfitzme]

What do you think you are talking about?

I'm mocking your claim that an increase in demand leads to falling prices.

Perhaps you'd like to revise your claim?

Dude, your an idiot that doesn't know micro econ because that is exactly what micro economics says, than an increase in quantity demanded is accompanied by decreased prices. The opposite is that price increases are accompanied by a decrease in the quantity demanded.

What part of micro economics don't you understand?

Or are you creating an argument where non exists?

Microeconomics/Supply and Demand - Wikibooks, open books for an open world

"If there is a strong demand for gas, but there is less gasoline, then the price goes up. If conditions change and there is a smaller demand for gas, for instance if everyone started using electric cars, or the commodity becomes more available, for instance a new oil field is discovered, then the price of the commodity decreases."

What part of quantity up, price down, price up, quantity down, don't you get?

I can't stand your idiocy anymore.

See?
An increase in demand causes an increase in price.

Your chart shows an increase in supply.
Get it yet?

What part of micro economics don't you understand?

The part where your idiotic claim comes up.

If there is a strong demand for gas, but there is less gasoline, then the price goes up

This will be the result of Obamacare, demand for healthcare will rise, leading to higher prices.

If conditions change and there is a smaller demand for gas, for instance if everyone started using electric cars, or the commodity becomes more available, for instance a new oil field is discovered, then the price of the commodity decreases

Look at that, in your own source, demand had to drop for prices to decrease.
The opposite of your moronic claim that increased demand for gas would cause a drop in price.

The idiocy is entirely on your part. You have to get out of the fantasy land of your own head. Like Don Quixote, you have created some imaginary argument that simply doesn't exist.

The only comment I was referring to and the only point I made was that the quantity demanded is inversely proportional to the demand price. That is it.

Your living in a fantasy land, Todd.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Dude, your an idiot that doesn't know micro econ because that is exactly what micro economics says, than an increase in quantity demanded is accompanied by decreased prices. The opposite is that price increases are accompanied by a decrease in the quantity demanded.

What part of micro economics don't you understand?

Or are you creating an argument where non exists?

Microeconomics/Supply and Demand - Wikibooks, open books for an open world

"If there is a strong demand for gas, but there is less gasoline, then the price goes up. If conditions change and there is a smaller demand for gas, for instance if everyone started using electric cars, or the commodity becomes more available, for instance a new oil field is discovered, then the price of the commodity decreases."

What part of quantity up, price down, price up, quantity down, don't you get?

I can't stand your idiocy anymore.

See?
An increase in demand causes an increase in price.

Your chart shows an increase in supply.
Get it yet?

What part of micro economics don't you understand?

The part where your idiotic claim comes up.

If there is a strong demand for gas, but there is less gasoline, then the price goes up

This will be the result of Obamacare, demand for healthcare will rise, leading to higher prices.

If conditions change and there is a smaller demand for gas, for instance if everyone started using electric cars, or the commodity becomes more available, for instance a new oil field is discovered, then the price of the commodity decreases

Look at that, in your own source, demand had to drop for prices to decrease.
The opposite of your moronic claim that increased demand for gas would cause a drop in price.

The idiocy is entirely on your part. You have to get out of the fantasy land of your own head. Like Don Quixote, you have created some imaginary argument that simply doesn't exist.

The only comment I was referring to and the only point I made was that the quantity demanded is inversely proportional to the demand price. That is it.

Your living in a fantasy land, Todd.

Dude, your an idiot that doesn't know micro econ because that is exactly what micro economics says, than an increase in quantity demanded is accompanied by decreased prices.

Wow! I can't think of a better example of your ignorance, though I'm sure you'll try to post one.

 

[PMZ]

So now you have actually read the graph and see it says that quantity demanded is increasing and price falling.

Wrong, you silly twit, it shows supply increasing, leading to lower price and higher demand.

You see (you don't, smart people do) that the supply curve shifted.
Do you see it now? After I told you multiple times?
See, supply curve S1 and now a new supply curve S2?
Which leads to Price P1 dropping to a lower Price P2
which gives us quantity demanded Q1 rising to a new, higher quantity demanded Q2.
That's typical of you, can't admit you made a mistake.

You pleading smart is worth the price of admission here.

We've already seen that, compared to you, I'm a freakin' genius.

That’s not a word that I would use to describe you. You typically have nothing to offer. You read what others post, look up what might be spun into an error, then come a brag that you're smart. Maybe for a conservative you are. But then so was the Bushwacker and little Ronnie.

 

[PMZ]

So now you have actually read the graph and see it says that quantity demanded is increasing and price falling.

Wrong, you silly twit, it shows supply increasing, leading to lower price and higher demand.

You see (you don't, smart people do) that the supply curve shifted.
Do you see it now? After I told you multiple times?
See, supply curve S1 and now a new supply curve S2?
Which leads to Price P1 dropping to a lower Price P2
which gives us quantity demanded Q1 rising to a new, higher quantity demanded Q2.
That's typical of you, can't admit you made a mistake.

The application of this to Obamacare is?

Obamacare is not a product. Healthcare delivery is one of the most closed markets ever.

A graph that depicts what happens in a theoretical perfect market has zero application here.

You are absolutely correct. Obamacare is not a product. It is an obscenity.

Immie

Here's a huge contribution straight from the Fox boobs and boobies.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You pleading smart is worth the price of admission here.

We've already seen that, compared to you, I'm a freakin' genius.

That’s not a word that I would use to describe you. You typically have nothing to offer. You read what others post, look up what might be spun into an error, then come a brag that you're smart. Maybe for a conservative you are. But then so was the Bushwacker and little Ronnie.

That’s not a word that I would use to describe you.

That's 'cause you're an idiot.

 

[Immanuel]

The application of this to Obamacare is?

Obamacare is not a product. Healthcare delivery is one of the most closed markets ever.

A graph that depicts what happens in a theoretical perfect market has zero application here.

You are absolutely correct. Obamacare is not a product. It is an obscenity.

Immie

Here's a huge contribution straight from the Fox boobs and boobies.

Obviously, the only type of argument you can use is name-calling. You're more than likely not worth the bandwidth you waste let alone the air you breathe. The only argument you seem to be capable of presenting is "you're a poopy head".

It is about time that you grow up.

By the way, I don't watch a lot of Fox. I just never wrapped my lips around Obama's member as you seem to have done.

Immie

 

[PMZ]

We've already seen that, compared to you, I'm a freakin' genius.

That’s not a word that I would use to describe you. You typically have nothing to offer. You read what others post, look up what might be spun into an error, then come a brag that you're smart. Maybe for a conservative you are. But then so was the Bushwacker and little Ronnie.

That’s not a word that I would use to describe you.

That's 'cause you're an idiot.

Here's another smart post.

 

[PMZ]

You are absolutely correct. Obamacare is not a product. It is an obscenity.

Immie

Here's a huge contribution straight from the Fox boobs and boobies.

Obviously, the only type of argument you can use is name-calling. You're more than likely not worth the bandwidth you waste let alone the air you breathe. The only argument you seem to be capable of presenting is "you're a poopy head".

It is about time that you grow up.

By the way, I don't watch a lot of Fox. I just never wrapped my lips around Obama's member as you seem to have done.

Immie

You watch Fox a lot.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That’s not a word that I would use to describe you. You typically have nothing to offer. You read what others post, look up what might be spun into an error, then come a brag that you're smart. Maybe for a conservative you are. But then so was the Bushwacker and little Ronnie.

That’s not a word that I would use to describe you.

That's 'cause you're an idiot.

Here's another smart post.

Nah, this is a smart post.

We do know one thing though. When all of the carbon that's been sequestered in fossil fuels was last in the atmosphere, the climate was inhospitable to life.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/envir...should-listen-to-the-97-a-33.html#post7815379

 

[PMZ]

Damn, from what was a 17 - 0 game, in favor for Baltimore, the damn Giants are winning now!

Another screw up numbnuts. I was talking about the complete absence of intelligent life, you were talking about plants. An easy mistake for you as, compared to conservatives, plants are ubber intelligent.

 

[itfitzme]

I can't stand your idiocy anymore.

See?
An increase in demand causes an increase in price.

Your chart shows an increase in supply.
Get it yet?

What part of micro economics don't you understand?

The part where your idiotic claim comes up.

If there is a strong demand for gas, but there is less gasoline, then the price goes up

This will be the result of Obamacare, demand for healthcare will rise, leading to higher prices.

If conditions change and there is a smaller demand for gas, for instance if everyone started using electric cars, or the commodity becomes more available, for instance a new oil field is discovered, then the price of the commodity decreases

Look at that, in your own source, demand had to drop for prices to decrease.
The opposite of your moronic claim that increased demand for gas would cause a drop in price.

The idiocy is entirely on your part. You have to get out of the fantasy land of your own head. Like Don Quixote, you have created some imaginary argument that simply doesn't exist.

The only comment I was referring to and the only point I made was that the quantity demanded is inversely proportional to the demand price. That is it.

Your living in a fantasy land, Todd.

Dude, your an idiot that doesn't know micro econ because that is exactly what micro economics says, than an increase in quantity demanded is accompanied by decreased prices.

Wow! I can't think of a better example of your ignorance, though I'm sure you'll try to post one.

So your sticking with the belief that the demand curve has a positive slope?

You go with that. Either that or you don't know the difference betweem the quantity demamded and demand.