Can you be smarter than even “God”?

[Joy4Uall]

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No. Human beings are limited by their own minds and mortality. Most people can barely comprehend the size of their own planet much less the size of the entire Universe. Mortal versions of "God" and/or existence beyond the physical are limited by our own abilities. It's akin to asking a dog to explain the Theory of Relativity. It can't be done because the dog doesn't have the ability to talk, much less comprehend the idea.

Please address, briefly, each of the 4 points in the OP - this is too big of a topic to try to debate every moral issue - so just tell us where the 4 points are (apparently) wrong.
For example, in #2, I believe that you are smart enough to have "moved beyond picking someone even as great as Moses (Moses had 3000 innocent people killed in Exodus 32:25-28 - this is slightly more than the 2,996 innocent people that Osama Bin Laden had killed on 9/11/2001.) Are you smart enough to pick someone who is NOT a mass-murderer to give the most important message of all time (the 10 Commandments) to, Divine.Wind? My thinking is that yes, you are indeed. I believe in you, I believe in your goodness.

 

[Divine Wind]

...this is too big of a topic to try to debate every moral issue....

Where did I say this was a moral issue? I merely stated fact; human beings are limited by their physical minds and, therefore, incapable of being "smarter than God" since most can't even comprehend the size of their own planet much less the entire Universe.

 

[Joy4Uall]

Your thoughts, guys?

With Scientific Humanism we can possibly show you many things that are so great that they even go beyond what billions of people consider to be the smartest entity of all time – their god. You might not believe this because all your life Jesus/Bible, while well-intended, have told you that you are a “sinner”. But we can show you how you are a winner, not a “sinner”. The Golden Rule is wonderful, but in the verse right before mentioning the Golden Rule, Jesus allegedly said that you are “evil” or “wicked” – but we believe that you are good….and smart too! So we might have to improve your self-image before you believe that you can maybe be even smarter than “god”.
We love the good parts of other belief systems/religions, and have brought forward a number of the good things that their gods have allegedly said. We believe that about 70-80% of most religious texts are good, so let’s focus on those good parts – and move beyond the other 20 – 30%.

Four ways you could possibly be smarter than even “god”

1. Scientific Humanism has a great principle: “let’s have the most compassionate belief system.” So instead of killing virtually all humans in the Biblical god’s alleged world-wide flood, which also killed almost all innocent animals, too, would you be smart enough to forgive them, instead? Are you smart enough and loving enough to think up creative solutions instead of resorting to genocide of virtually all humans and virtually all animals….such as to come down and educate them? As a Scientific Humanist, because our belief system is based on evidence, reason, and common sense, you can answer “yes” to all the questions herein. We believe in you! However, if you can’t answer “yes” to all these questions, then The Center For Scientific Humanism offers you a potentially great way to improve your self-esteem.
Unlike Scientific Humanism, their god generalized that all humans were bad, so he killed every single person (except the eight people on Noah’s Ark.) However, Scientific Humanism has a principle that states: “people are innately good”, so would you have been more compassionate than he was? Because we respect all groups so much, we have the principle “don’t stereotype”. But generalizing an entire group like that is even worse than saying, for example, “ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS!!” So would you also be smart enough to not generalize about an entire group?
We believe “love your brother/sister like yourself”. Would you be loving enough to at least have spared families who had babies?

2. As a Scientific Humanist, you strive to create the most loving belief system that you possibly can. If you were in god’s shoes you’d pick a “prophet” (to spread your most-important-message-of-all-time!) that lived up to the highest moral standard of Scientific Humanism. You would have picked someone who believes in our axiom of “love everybody, equally”. So you would have moved beyond picking someone even as great as Moses (Moses had 3000 innocent people killed in Exodus 32:25-28 - this is slightly more than the 2,996 innocent people that Osama Bin Laden had killed on 9/11/2001.)

3. As a Scientific Humanist, you are so caring that you believe that you need to take care of our most vulnerable family members, first! You would have picked someone who believes in our cherished principle of “put children first”. One thing Scientific Humanism holds “sacred” is our children. We teach to “love your children so much that you could never abandon them.” You also believe in our principle of “avoid extremism”. So you would have moved beyond picking someone even as great as Jesus (Jesus wanted his followers to abandon their own children, and to hate their own children.)

4. If you were god giving his favorite “prophets” the most important messages of all time, then thinking like a Scientific Humanist, would do that with at least 30 witnesses, and not just to the prophet all my himself, alone? Doing so would of course keep fewer people out of the “hell” you created because 30 witnesses is far more credible and believable than just to one self-serving person. As a Scientific Humanist you are driven by your love of humanity (one reason that “humanity” is in the name!) Those 30 would remember what you told them more than just one single person would, too, of course.Most people don’t believe that a particular god’s prophet is actually telling the truth, since no religion has over 29% of the world’s population as followers. When talking to Moses via the “burning bush”, or to Joseph Smith, Jr. (Mormon founder), would you have done that with 30 witnesses, so that your message was believed by far more people? People could think that one person could just be drunk, or high, or delusional, or lying about the encounter – but 30 people would be far more believable. Instead of the prophet saying “god talked to me”, the groups would say “god talked to us” – this helps people to more easily believe a prophet’s self-serving/unscientific unique claim of being the greatest human ever favored by god. If you would do this, then more people would follow your word, so fewer would need to be tortured in the “after-life”. As a loving Scientific Humanist you strive for win/win situations like this!

ScientificHumanism.org

No. Human beings are limited by their own minds and mortality. Most people can barely comprehend the size of their own planet much less the size of the entire Universe. Mortal versions of "God" and/or existence beyond the physical are limited by our own abilities. It's akin to asking a dog to explain the Theory of Relativity. It can't be done because the dog doesn't have the ability to talk, much less comprehend the idea.

The OP was not "can you create an entire universe", but rather 4 fairly clear examples of how one can indeed be smarter than god. We want to raise people's self-esteem, and one way is to show examples of where they can move beyond god/Jesus/Mohammad/Allah/Buddha. Scientific Humanists don't believe "god" did create the universe, anyway, until of course we see a court-room level of evidence that one particular unique "god" did that, out of the 5000 gods on offer.) "My god created the universe!", w/out any proof that your their god is more real than any of the other 5000+ gods is not to be taken very seriously, I'm afraid.
List of 5000 gods: God List - Partial (5000 gods) public.pdf

 

[Joy4Uall]

...this is too big of a topic to try to debate every moral issue....

Where did I say this was a moral issue? I merely stated fact; human beings are limited by their physical minds and, therefore, incapable of being "smarter than God" since most can't even comprehend the size of their own planet much less the entire Universe.

The 4 points in the OP disagree with you that humans can't be smarter than god, my friend.
Take #3 for example....where is this wrong, please educate us (we want to learn):

3. As a Scientific Humanist, you are so caring that you believe that you need to take care of our most vulnerable family members, first! You would have picked someone who believes in our cherished principle of “put children first”. One thing Scientific Humanism holds “sacred” is our children. We teach to “love your children so much that you could never abandon them.” You also believe in our principle of “avoid extremism”. So you would have moved beyond picking someone even as great as Jesus (Jesus wanted his followers to abandon their own children, and to hate their own children.)

 

[Divine Wind]

The OP was not "can you create an entire universe", but rather 4 fairly clear examples of how one can indeed be smarter than god. We want to raise people's self-esteem, and one way is to show examples of where they can move beyond god/Jesus/Mohammad/Allah/Buddha. Scientific Humanists don't believe "god" did create the universe, anyway, until of course we see a court-room level of evidence that one particular unique "god" did that, out of the 5000 gods on offer.) "My god created the universe!", w/out any proof that your their god is more real than any of the other 5000+ gods is not to be taken very seriously, I'm afraid.
List of 5000 gods: God List - Partial (5000 gods) public.pdf

Correct. However, the OP is titled "Can you be smarter than even “God”?" and included a survey with that question offering three responses: Yes, No and "God is not real, so it's N/A". I answered No and gave my reasoning. Why does this upset you?

 

[Joy4Uall]

...this is too big of a topic to try to debate every moral issue....

Where did I say this was a moral issue? I merely stated fact; human beings are limited by their physical minds and, therefore, incapable of being "smarter than God" since most can't even comprehend the size of their own planet much less the entire Universe.

You say "F*** ISIS". I'm glad you are against Islamic Law, but you don't promote an alternative for Muslims, like Scientific Humanism does. Provide them an alternative, my friend - an alternative that has no violence in it's texts (that's not the Bible, as spelled out below), such as Scientific Humanism.

Number of Cruel or Violent Passages
Bible 1321
Quran 532
[Book of Scientific Humanism 0 ]
Dwindling In Unbelief: Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran?

Don't just "F**k" them, but rather show them a better and less violent belief system.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Where does this "Scientific Humanism" religion get its moral compass?

What kind of science is it based on?

 

[Joy4Uall]

The OP was not "can you create an entire universe", but rather 4 fairly clear examples of how one can indeed be smarter than god. We want to raise people's self-esteem, and one way is to show examples of where they can move beyond god/Jesus/Mohammad/Allah/Buddha. Scientific Humanists don't believe "god" did create the universe, anyway, until of course we see a court-room level of evidence that one particular unique "god" did that, out of the 5000 gods on offer.) "My god created the universe!", w/out any proof that your their god is more real than any of the other 5000+ gods is not to be taken very seriously, I'm afraid.
List of 5000 gods: God List - Partial (5000 gods) public.pdf

Correct. However, the OP is titled "Can you be smarter than even “God”?" and included a survey with that question offering three responses: Yes, No and "God is not real, so it's N/A". I answered No and gave my reasoning. Why does this upset you?

Great point, yes, you answered the poll with "no", I'm sure. Not a problem.
But you appear unable to refute any of the 4 points - so once you realize that you can't refute them (unless you give us specifics as to why) then you'll start to see that we are opening your eyes that yes, ON CERTAIN POINTS AT LEAST, you can indeed be smarter than god. You continue to not address any of the 4 points, and I think that's because they are true, and you've been told all your life that you are a "sinner" (Bible), and in the verse right before the Golden Rule Jesus allegedly said that we are "evil" or "wicked" (depending on the translation.) So your self-esteem is too low to see that you can indeed be smarter than god on at least 4 issues. Take a look at those 4 points, my friend, and get back to us - I believe in you.

 

[Joy4Uall]

Where does this "Scientific Humanism" religion get its moral compass?

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One is "what's best for the world". So, while we like parts of the Bible, and of course dearly love Christians, we can't bring forward any of the 1321 cruel or violent verses, as such: Dwindling In Unbelief: Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran? )
The peaceful teachings of SH are better for the world than the over 1800 cruel and violent teachings in the Bible/Qur'an, of course.

Another moral compass is "what does our common sense tell us?" So we teach "love gays, equally", and not "kill gays and gays can't get into heaven" like the Bible/Qur'an basically teach. We'd let gays into "heaven" if it was up to us, so that moves us to a higher ethical plane than even god/Jesus or Allah/Mohammad. Common sense of a Scientific Humanist arguably says "if someone is not harming you [LGBT], then don't harm them back." This is one reason why we believe that SH is the world's most compassionate overall belief system.

There is of course more to this than could be written in one post.

I appreciate your intellectual inquisitiveness (did I just invent a new word?)

 

[frigidweirdo]

Your thoughts, guys?

With Scientific Humanism we can possibly show you many things that are so great that they even go beyond what billions of people consider to be the smartest entity of all time – their god. You might not believe this because all your life Jesus/Bible, while well-intended, have told you that you are a “sinner”. But we can show you how you are a winner, not a “sinner”. The Golden Rule is wonderful, but in the verse right before mentioning the Golden Rule, Jesus allegedly said that you are “evil” or “wicked” – but we believe that you are good….and smart too! So we might have to improve your self-image before you believe that you can maybe be even smarter than “god”.
We love the good parts of other belief systems/religions, and have brought forward a number of the good things that their gods have allegedly said. We believe that about 70-80% of most religious texts are good, so let’s focus on those good parts – and move beyond the other 20 – 30%.

Four ways you could possibly be smarter than even “god”

1. Scientific Humanism has a great principle: “let’s have the most compassionate belief system.” So instead of killing virtually all humans in the Biblical god’s alleged world-wide flood, which also killed almost all innocent animals, too, would you be smart enough to forgive them, instead? Are you smart enough and loving enough to think up creative solutions instead of resorting to genocide of virtually all humans and virtually all animals….such as to come down and educate them? As a Scientific Humanist, because our belief system is based on evidence, reason, and common sense, you can answer “yes” to all the questions herein. We believe in you! However, if you can’t answer “yes” to all these questions, then The Center For Scientific Humanism offers you a potentially great way to improve your self-esteem.
Unlike Scientific Humanism, their god generalized that all humans were bad, so he killed every single person (except the eight people on Noah’s Ark.) However, Scientific Humanism has a principle that states: “people are innately good”, so would you have been more compassionate than he was? Because we respect all groups so much, we have the principle “don’t stereotype”. But generalizing an entire group like that is even worse than saying, for example, “ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS!!” So would you also be smart enough to not generalize about an entire group?
We believe “love your brother/sister like yourself”. Would you be loving enough to at least have spared families who had babies?

2. As a Scientific Humanist, you strive to create the most loving belief system that you possibly can. If you were in god’s shoes you’d pick a “prophet” (to spread your most-important-message-of-all-time!) that lived up to the highest moral standard of Scientific Humanism. You would have picked someone who believes in our axiom of “love everybody, equally”. So you would have moved beyond picking someone even as great as Moses (Moses had 3000 innocent people killed in Exodus 32:25-28 - this is slightly more than the 2,996 innocent people that Osama Bin Laden had killed on 9/11/2001.)

3. As a Scientific Humanist, you are so caring that you believe that you need to take care of our most vulnerable family members, first! You would have picked someone who believes in our cherished principle of “put children first”. One thing Scientific Humanism holds “sacred” is our children. We teach to “love your children so much that you could never abandon them.” You also believe in our principle of “avoid extremism”. So you would have moved beyond picking someone even as great as Jesus (Jesus wanted his followers to abandon their own children, and to hate their own children.)

4. If you were god giving his favorite “prophets” the most important messages of all time, then thinking like a Scientific Humanist, would do that with at least 30 witnesses, and not just to the prophet all my himself, alone? Doing so would of course keep fewer people out of the “hell” you created because 30 witnesses is far more credible and believable than just to one self-serving person. As a Scientific Humanist you are driven by your love of humanity (one reason that “humanity” is in the name!) Those 30 would remember what you told them more than just one single person would, too, of course.Most people don’t believe that a particular god’s prophet is actually telling the truth, since no religion has over 29% of the world’s population as followers. When talking to Moses via the “burning bush”, or to Joseph Smith, Jr. (Mormon founder), would you have done that with 30 witnesses, so that your message was believed by far more people? People could think that one person could just be drunk, or high, or delusional, or lying about the encounter – but 30 people would be far more believable. Instead of the prophet saying “god talked to me”, the groups would say “god talked to us” – this helps people to more easily believe a prophet’s self-serving/unscientific unique claim of being the greatest human ever favored by god. If you would do this, then more people would follow your word, so fewer would need to be tortured in the “after-life”. As a loving Scientific Humanist you strive for win/win situations like this!

ScientificHumanism.org

I've asked the same question many times and never once had a response from anyone.

If God has to exist because the universe has to have been created by an intelligent being, then who created God? If God is so intelligent therefore, based on this logic, then God must have been created by something intelligent. And then who created this being that created God? And you can go on all day like this....

So who created God?

 

[Divine Wind]

Great point, yes, you answered the poll with "no", I'm sure. Not a problem.
But you appear unable to refute any of the 4 points - so once you realize that you can't refute them (unless you give us specifics as to why) then you'll start to see that we are opening your eyes that yes, ON CERTAIN POINTS AT LEAST, you can indeed be smarter than god. You continue to not address any of the 4 points, and I think that's because they are true, and you've been told all your life that you are a "sinner" (Bible), and in the verse right before the Golden Rule Jesus allegedly said that we are "evil" or "wicked" (depending on the translation.) So your self-esteem is too low to see that you can indeed be smarter than god on at least 4 issues. Take a look at those 4 points, my friend, and get back to us - I believe in you.

Thanks for agreeing on the title and quiz of your own thread.

Too bad you then leaped to the juvenile and unsupported conclusion that I am unable to refute your "4 points". You seem really, really anxious to push your agenda. Why?

 

[Joy4Uall]

........... And if I was watching 12,000 Jews a day being gassed to death in gas chambers I would immediately say "ok, enough of this batshit, here I am I've put a stop to all of it".

........

One question SH asks is: "Is it more moral to throw (ethical) Jews into a "lake of fire", or into ovens?"

It basically asks, when it comes to the treatment of (non-Christian, ethical, hell-bound) Jews, who treats Jews better for 99.9999999+% of their total existence (counting the "after-life") Jesus or Hitler?

IsaacNewton, would you rather have your life shortened by about half and not particularly be tortured for terribly long (how Hitler treated the Jews in concentration camps by throwing them in ovens), or face JESUS' treatment of Jews: for eternity (not just cutting their lives in half, on average), and brutal, savage, intentional torture? It would appear that a thinking ethical Jew would prefer Hitler's treatment over Jesus' treatment, no?

 

[Mudda]

If the answer is yes, then why the fuck is everyone in the world so fucking stupid? Is god a fucking imbecile?

 

[Joy4Uall]

Your thoughts, guys?

With Scientific Humanism we can possibly show you many things that are so great that they even go beyond what billions of people consider to be the smartest entity of all time – their god. You might not believe this because all your life Jesus/Bible, while well-intended, have told you that you are a “sinner”. But we can show you how you are a winner, not a “sinner”. The Golden Rule is wonderful, but in the verse right before mentioning the Golden Rule, Jesus allegedly said that you are “evil” or “wicked” – but we believe that you are good….and smart too! So we might have to improve your self-image before you believe that you can maybe be even smarter than “god”.
We love the good parts of other belief systems/religions, and have brought forward a number of the good things that their gods have allegedly said. We believe that about 70-80% of most religious texts are good, so let’s focus on those good parts – and move beyond the other 20 – 30%.

Four ways you could possibly be smarter than even “god”

1. Scientific Humanism has a great principle: “let’s have the most compassionate belief system.” So instead of killing virtually all humans in the Biblical god’s alleged world-wide flood, which also killed almost all innocent animals, too, would you be smart enough to forgive them, instead? Are you smart enough and loving enough to think up creative solutions instead of resorting to genocide of virtually all humans and virtually all animals….such as to come down and educate them? As a Scientific Humanist, because our belief system is based on evidence, reason, and common sense, you can answer “yes” to all the questions herein. We believe in you! However, if you can’t answer “yes” to all these questions, then The Center For Scientific Humanism offers you a potentially great way to improve your self-esteem.
Unlike Scientific Humanism, their god generalized that all humans were bad, so he killed every single person (except the eight people on Noah’s Ark.) However, Scientific Humanism has a principle that states: “people are innately good”, so would you have been more compassionate than he was? Because we respect all groups so much, we have the principle “don’t stereotype”. But generalizing an entire group like that is even worse than saying, for example, “ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS!!” So would you also be smart enough to not generalize about an entire group?
We believe “love your brother/sister like yourself”. Would you be loving enough to at least have spared families who had babies?

2. As a Scientific Humanist, you strive to create the most loving belief system that you possibly can. If you were in god’s shoes you’d pick a “prophet” (to spread your most-important-message-of-all-time!) that lived up to the highest moral standard of Scientific Humanism. You would have picked someone who believes in our axiom of “love everybody, equally”. So you would have moved beyond picking someone even as great as Moses (Moses had 3000 innocent people killed in Exodus 32:25-28 - this is slightly more than the 2,996 innocent people that Osama Bin Laden had killed on 9/11/2001.)

3. As a Scientific Humanist, you are so caring that you believe that you need to take care of our most vulnerable family members, first! You would have picked someone who believes in our cherished principle of “put children first”. One thing Scientific Humanism holds “sacred” is our children. We teach to “love your children so much that you could never abandon them.” You also believe in our principle of “avoid extremism”. So you would have moved beyond picking someone even as great as Jesus (Jesus wanted his followers to abandon their own children, and to hate their own children.)

4. If you were god giving his favorite “prophets” the most important messages of all time, then thinking like a Scientific Humanist, would do that with at least 30 witnesses, and not just to the prophet all my himself, alone? Doing so would of course keep fewer people out of the “hell” you created because 30 witnesses is far more credible and believable than just to one self-serving person. As a Scientific Humanist you are driven by your love of humanity (one reason that “humanity” is in the name!) Those 30 would remember what you told them more than just one single person would, too, of course.Most people don’t believe that a particular god’s prophet is actually telling the truth, since no religion has over 29% of the world’s population as followers. When talking to Moses via the “burning bush”, or to Joseph Smith, Jr. (Mormon founder), would you have done that with 30 witnesses, so that your message was believed by far more people? People could think that one person could just be drunk, or high, or delusional, or lying about the encounter – but 30 people would be far more believable. Instead of the prophet saying “god talked to me”, the groups would say “god talked to us” – this helps people to more easily believe a prophet’s self-serving/unscientific unique claim of being the greatest human ever favored by god. If you would do this, then more people would follow your word, so fewer would need to be tortured in the “after-life”. As a loving Scientific Humanist you strive for win/win situations like this!

ScientificHumanism.org

I've asked the same question many times and never once had a response from anyone.

If God has to exist because the universe has to have been created by an intelligent being, then who created God? If God is so intelligent therefore, based on this logic, then God must have been created by something intelligent. And then who created this being that created God? And you can go on all day like this....

So who created God?

Fantastic question! I admire your intellect - you appear driven by reason and logic, and not by fear (fear of god).
Yes, because of this and huge numbers of logical inconsistencies, SH can't bring forward the divine Jesus, but can of course bring forward any good non-magic teachings of his (the philosopher Jesus), like the Golden Rule - not invented by Jesus of course, it came many centuries earlier by many other "prophets", but he certainly popularized it. We like certain parts of his teachings, and have reading the Bible (and the other top 10 belief systems) as part of our belief system.

However, we can't ENDORSE the Bible, because of all the horrific parts, of course. We endorse our own writings....which are better than the Bible anyway because we allow other great teachings to enter our texts, unlike Christians/Bible. We want to be a role model for them.

 

[Joy4Uall]

If the answer is yes, then why the fuck is everyone in the world so fucking stupid? Is god a fucking imbecile?

God doesn't know that his creation (earth) is roughly 4.5 billion years old, since the geneologies in the main book about him (in Christianity at least) add up to about 6000 years, so god is off by such a gigantic factor as to make all the other unscientific claims ("walking on water", etc.) not believable. Jesus believed in said story (Adam/Eve) in the Bible, so we can't blindly trust what Jesus said on anything - but he teachings that make sense ("love your neighbor") we do bring forward.

But instead of condemning Christians, we simply love them enough to try to show them a better way. Let's show them science like this article which shows that the earth is over 4 billion years old: How Science Figured Out the Age of Earth
A Scientific Humanist is a better parent because they basically say to their kids, "yes, the Bible got the age of the earth wrong [Christians don't directly admit that to their kids], so rely on science instead of ancient stories - but do bring forward the good parts of those stories."

 

[Joy4Uall]

If the answer is yes, then why the fuck is everyone in the world so fucking stupid? Is god a fucking imbecile?

If the answer is yes, then why the fuck is everyone in the world so fucking stupid? Is god a fucking imbecile?

God does think that killing gays is the best way to treat gays (and Romans in the New Testament says they don't get into "heaven"), unlike SH - so while I wouldn't call him an "imbecile", it does go to show that he's not real as he was only as ethical as the barbaric times that the Bible was written in. A "god" would of course know better, he would of course not just say "well, I know right from wrong but I'm just going to adopt the barbaric man-made norms of this time.". Obviously. That would be immoral.

 

[Joy4Uall]

Great point, yes, you answered the poll with "no", I'm sure. Not a problem.
But you appear unable to refute any of the 4 points - so once you realize that you can't refute them (unless you give us specifics as to why) then you'll start to see that we are opening your eyes that yes, ON CERTAIN POINTS AT LEAST, you can indeed be smarter than god. You continue to not address any of the 4 points, and I think that's because they are true, and you've been told all your life that you are a "sinner" (Bible), and in the verse right before the Golden Rule Jesus allegedly said that we are "evil" or "wicked" (depending on the translation.) So your self-esteem is too low to see that you can indeed be smarter than god on at least 4 issues. Take a look at those 4 points, my friend, and get back to us - I believe in you.

Thanks for agreeing on the title and quiz of your own thread.

Too bad you then leaped to the juvenile and unsupported conclusion that I am unable to refute your "4 points". You seem really, really anxious to push your agenda. Why?

Where have you specifically tackled each of the 4 (or even one!) points in the OP!? My guess is that you haven't because those 4 points are very true to the SH teachings (logical, reasoned, use common sense, and scientifically correct), so you can't refute them point by point. So could I suggest that SH might be a direction for you to go in your life since it would appear that Jesus has ill-prepared you to defeat Scientific Humanism. Keep in mind that we want to bring forward the best parts of the top 10 religions, so the truly great parts of the Bible are indeed a part of SH, such as our #8 of our Top 10 Commandments: "do charity/volunteer work". Center for Scientific Humanism: The Ten Commandments of Scientific Humanism

 

[cnelsen]

Your question misses an important option addressing the anthropomorphic error. In other words, asking whether God is "smart" is wrongly presupposing God's human characteristics. It's like asking whether we can be smarter than Truth. God conceived non-anthropomorphically renders the question unintelligible.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Your thoughts, guys?

With Scientific Humanism we can possibly show you many things that are so great that they even go beyond what billions of people consider to be the smartest entity of all time – their god. You might not believe this because all your life Jesus/Bible, while well-intended, have told you that you are a “sinner”. But we can show you how you are a winner, not a “sinner”. The Golden Rule is wonderful, but in the verse right before mentioning the Golden Rule, Jesus allegedly said that you are “evil” or “wicked” – but we believe that you are good….and smart too! So we might have to improve your self-image before you believe that you can maybe be even smarter than “god”.
We love the good parts of other belief systems/religions, and have brought forward a number of the good things that their gods have allegedly said. We believe that about 70-80% of most religious texts are good, so let’s focus on those good parts – and move beyond the other 20 – 30%.

Four ways you could possibly be smarter than even “god”

1. Scientific Humanism has a great principle: “let’s have the most compassionate belief system.” So instead of killing virtually all humans in the Biblical god’s alleged world-wide flood, which also killed almost all innocent animals, too, would you be smart enough to forgive them, instead? Are you smart enough and loving enough to think up creative solutions instead of resorting to genocide of virtually all humans and virtually all animals….such as to come down and educate them? As a Scientific Humanist, because our belief system is based on evidence, reason, and common sense, you can answer “yes” to all the questions herein. We believe in you! However, if you can’t answer “yes” to all these questions, then The Center For Scientific Humanism offers you a potentially great way to improve your self-esteem.
Unlike Scientific Humanism, their god generalized that all humans were bad, so he killed every single person (except the eight people on Noah’s Ark.) However, Scientific Humanism has a principle that states: “people are innately good”, so would you have been more compassionate than he was? Because we respect all groups so much, we have the principle “don’t stereotype”. But generalizing an entire group like that is even worse than saying, for example, “ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS!!” So would you also be smart enough to not generalize about an entire group?
We believe “love your brother/sister like yourself”. Would you be loving enough to at least have spared families who had babies?

2. As a Scientific Humanist, you strive to create the most loving belief system that you possibly can. If you were in god’s shoes you’d pick a “prophet” (to spread your most-important-message-of-all-time!) that lived up to the highest moral standard of Scientific Humanism. You would have picked someone who believes in our axiom of “love everybody, equally”. So you would have moved beyond picking someone even as great as Moses (Moses had 3000 innocent people killed in Exodus 32:25-28 - this is slightly more than the 2,996 innocent people that Osama Bin Laden had killed on 9/11/2001.)

3. As a Scientific Humanist, you are so caring that you believe that you need to take care of our most vulnerable family members, first! You would have picked someone who believes in our cherished principle of “put children first”. One thing Scientific Humanism holds “sacred” is our children. We teach to “love your children so much that you could never abandon them.” You also believe in our principle of “avoid extremism”. So you would have moved beyond picking someone even as great as Jesus (Jesus wanted his followers to abandon their own children, and to hate their own children.)

4. If you were god giving his favorite “prophets” the most important messages of all time, then thinking like a Scientific Humanist, would do that with at least 30 witnesses, and not just to the prophet all my himself, alone? Doing so would of course keep fewer people out of the “hell” you created because 30 witnesses is far more credible and believable than just to one self-serving person. As a Scientific Humanist you are driven by your love of humanity (one reason that “humanity” is in the name!) Those 30 would remember what you told them more than just one single person would, too, of course.Most people don’t believe that a particular god’s prophet is actually telling the truth, since no religion has over 29% of the world’s population as followers. When talking to Moses via the “burning bush”, or to Joseph Smith, Jr. (Mormon founder), would you have done that with 30 witnesses, so that your message was believed by far more people? People could think that one person could just be drunk, or high, or delusional, or lying about the encounter – but 30 people would be far more believable. Instead of the prophet saying “god talked to me”, the groups would say “god talked to us” – this helps people to more easily believe a prophet’s self-serving/unscientific unique claim of being the greatest human ever favored by god. If you would do this, then more people would follow your word, so fewer would need to be tortured in the “after-life”. As a loving Scientific Humanist you strive for win/win situations like this!

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I've asked the same question many times and never once had a response from anyone.

If God has to exist because the universe has to have been created by an intelligent being, then who created God? If God is so intelligent therefore, based on this logic, then God must have been created by something intelligent. And then who created this being that created God? And you can go on all day like this....

So who created God?

Fantastic question! I admire your intellect - you appear driven by reason and logic, and not by fear (fear of god).
Yes, because of this and huge numbers of logical inconsistencies, SH can't bring forward the divine Jesus, but can of course bring forward any good non-magic teachings of his (the philosopher Jesus), like the Golden Rule - not invented by Jesus of course, it came many centuries earlier by many other "prophets", but he certainly popularized it. We like certain parts of his teachings, and have reading the Bible (and the other top 10 belief systems) as part of our belief system.

However, we can't ENDORSE the Bible, because of all the horrific parts, of course. We endorse our own writings....which are better than the Bible anyway because we allow other great teachings to enter our texts, unlike Christians/Bible. We want to be a role model for them.

Okay, so... you didn't answer my question...

 

[rightwinger]

Why I am smarter than God

My 10 commandments are superior to those written by God

What I would include in my Ten Commandments

1. Treat others as you prefer to be treated, look at the world from the perspective of others as well as your own


2.Thou shall not allow slavery. Moses led the Hebrews out of slavery and struggled to free them. Yet God does not even prohibit slavery in his ten commandments. I would prohibit slavery and order employers to pay an honest wage and order workers to give an honest days work

3 Thou shall be clean in thy person and thy environment. God could have saved hundreds of millions of lives with this one. Sanitation was a major killer of mankind. Keep yourself clean to avoid germs. Do not pollute your drinking water or your environment. Could have prevented the plague and other killer diseases

4. Thou shall not engage in War. War is a practice of man and not God. God should encourage peaceful resolution of conflicts and consider war an act against God

5. Thou shall educate yourself and others. A critical trait of man. Learning and the spread of knowledge. You should strive to learn your whole life and spread knowledge to others

6. I would expand the honor your father and mother to honor your family. Parents should honor their kids, make sure they are fed and clothed and protected. You should work hard to take care of your family

7. Leave the world better than you found it

8. Show concern for the well being of others. Strive to help those in need

9. Judge all persons on the basis of their character regardless of sex, race, religion or culture

10. Thou shall not be greedy