Can you be smarter than even “God”?

[Joy4Uall]

Your thoughts, guys?

With Scientific Humanism we can possibly show you many things that are so great that they even go beyond what billions of people consider to be the smartest entity of all time – their god. You might not believe this because all your life Jesus/Bible, while well-intended, have told you that you are a “sinner”. But we can show you how you are a winner, not a “sinner”. The Golden Rule is wonderful, but in the verse right before mentioning the Golden Rule, Jesus allegedly said that you are “evil” or “wicked” – but we believe that you are good….and smart too! So we might have to improve your self-image before you believe that you can maybe be even smarter than “god”.
We love the good parts of other belief systems/religions, and have brought forward a number of the good things that their gods have allegedly said. We believe that about 70-80% of most religious texts are good, so let’s focus on those good parts – and move beyond the other 20 – 30%.

Four ways you could possibly be smarter than even “god”

1. Scientific Humanism has a great principle: “let’s have the most compassionate belief system.” So instead of killing virtually all humans in the Biblical god’s alleged world-wide flood, which also killed almost all innocent animals, too, would you be smart enough to forgive them, instead? Are you smart enough and loving enough to think up creative solutions instead of resorting to genocide of virtually all humans and virtually all animals….such as to come down and educate them? As a Scientific Humanist, because our belief system is based on evidence, reason, and common sense, you can answer “yes” to all the questions herein. We believe in you! However, if you can’t answer “yes” to all these questions, then The Center For Scientific Humanism offers you a potentially great way to improve your self-esteem.
Unlike Scientific Humanism, their god generalized that all humans were bad, so he killed every single person (except the eight people on Noah’s Ark.) However, Scientific Humanism has a principle that states: “people are innately good”, so would you have been more compassionate than he was? Because we respect all groups so much, we have the principle “don’t stereotype”. But generalizing an entire group like that is even worse than saying, for example, “ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS!!” So would you also be smart enough to not generalize about an entire group?
We believe “love your brother/sister like yourself”. Would you be loving enough to at least have spared families who had babies?

2. As a Scientific Humanist, you strive to create the most loving belief system that you possibly can. If you were in god’s shoes you’d pick a “prophet” (to spread your most-important-message-of-all-time!) that lived up to the highest moral standard of Scientific Humanism. You would have picked someone who believes in our axiom of “love everybody, equally”. So you would have moved beyond picking someone even as great as Moses (Moses had 3000 innocent people killed in Exodus 32:25-28 - this is slightly more than the 2,996 innocent people that Osama Bin Laden had killed on 9/11/2001.)

3. As a Scientific Humanist, you are so caring that you believe that you need to take care of our most vulnerable family members, first! You would have picked someone who believes in our cherished principle of “put children first”. One thing Scientific Humanism holds “sacred” is our children. We teach to “love your children so much that you could never abandon them.” You also believe in our principle of “avoid extremism”. So you would have moved beyond picking someone even as great as Jesus (Jesus wanted his followers to abandon their own children, and to hate their own children.)

4. If you were god giving his favorite “prophets” the most important messages of all time, then thinking like a Scientific Humanist, would do that with at least 30 witnesses, and not just to the prophet all my himself, alone? Doing so would of course keep fewer people out of the “hell” you created because 30 witnesses is far more credible and believable than just to one self-serving person. As a Scientific Humanist you are driven by your love of humanity (one reason that “humanity” is in the name!) Those 30 would remember what you told them more than just one single person would, too, of course.Most people don’t believe that a particular god’s prophet is actually telling the truth, since no religion has over 29% of the world’s population as followers. When talking to Moses via the “burning bush”, or to Joseph Smith, Jr. (Mormon founder), would you have done that with 30 witnesses, so that your message was believed by far more people? People could think that one person could just be drunk, or high, or delusional, or lying about the encounter – but 30 people would be far more believable. Instead of the prophet saying “god talked to me”, the groups would say “god talked to us” – this helps people to more easily believe a prophet’s self-serving/unscientific unique claim of being the greatest human ever favored by god. If you would do this, then more people would follow your word, so fewer would need to be tortured in the “after-life”. As a loving Scientific Humanist you strive for win/win situations like this!

ScientificHumanism.org

No. Human beings are limited by their own minds and mortality. Most people can barely comprehend the size of their own planet much less the size of the entire Universe. Mortal versions of "God" and/or existence beyond the physical are limited by our own abilities. It's akin to asking a dog to explain the Theory of Relativity. It can't be done because the dog doesn't have the ability to talk, much less comprehend the idea.

Your thoughts, guys?

With Scientific Humanism we can possibly show you many things that are so great that they even go beyond what billions of people consider to be the smartest entity of all time – their god. You might not believe this because all your life Jesus/Bible, while well-intended, have told you that you are a “sinner”. But we can show you how you are a winner, not a “sinner”. The Golden Rule is wonderful, but in the verse right before mentioning the Golden Rule, Jesus allegedly said that you are “evil” or “wicked” – but we believe that you are good….and smart too! So we might have to improve your self-image before you believe that you can maybe be even smarter than “god”.
We love the good parts of other belief systems/religions, and have brought forward a number of the good things that their gods have allegedly said. We believe that about 70-80% of most religious texts are good, so let’s focus on those good parts – and move beyond the other 20 – 30%.

Four ways you could possibly be smarter than even “god”

1. Scientific Humanism has a great principle: “let’s have the most compassionate belief system.” So instead of killing virtually all humans in the Biblical god’s alleged world-wide flood, which also killed almost all innocent animals, too, would you be smart enough to forgive them, instead? Are you smart enough and loving enough to think up creative solutions instead of resorting to genocide of virtually all humans and virtually all animals….such as to come down and educate them? As a Scientific Humanist, because our belief system is based on evidence, reason, and common sense, you can answer “yes” to all the questions herein. We believe in you! However, if you can’t answer “yes” to all these questions, then The Center For Scientific Humanism offers you a potentially great way to improve your self-esteem.
Unlike Scientific Humanism, their god generalized that all humans were bad, so he killed every single person (except the eight people on Noah’s Ark.) However, Scientific Humanism has a principle that states: “people are innately good”, so would you have been more compassionate than he was? Because we respect all groups so much, we have the principle “don’t stereotype”. But generalizing an entire group like that is even worse than saying, for example, “ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS!!” So would you also be smart enough to not generalize about an entire group?
We believe “love your brother/sister like yourself”. Would you be loving enough to at least have spared families who had babies?

2. As a Scientific Humanist, you strive to create the most loving belief system that you possibly can. If you were in god’s shoes you’d pick a “prophet” (to spread your most-important-message-of-all-time!) that lived up to the highest moral standard of Scientific Humanism. You would have picked someone who believes in our axiom of “love everybody, equally”. So you would have moved beyond picking someone even as great as Moses (Moses had 3000 innocent people killed in Exodus 32:25-28 - this is slightly more than the 2,996 innocent people that Osama Bin Laden had killed on 9/11/2001.)

3. As a Scientific Humanist, you are so caring that you believe that you need to take care of our most vulnerable family members, first! You would have picked someone who believes in our cherished principle of “put children first”. One thing Scientific Humanism holds “sacred” is our children. We teach to “love your children so much that you could never abandon them.” You also believe in our principle of “avoid extremism”. So you would have moved beyond picking someone even as great as Jesus (Jesus wanted his followers to abandon their own children, and to hate their own children.)

4. If you were god giving his favorite “prophets” the most important messages of all time, then thinking like a Scientific Humanist, would do that with at least 30 witnesses, and not just to the prophet all my himself, alone? Doing so would of course keep fewer people out of the “hell” you created because 30 witnesses is far more credible and believable than just to one self-serving person. As a Scientific Humanist you are driven by your love of humanity (one reason that “humanity” is in the name!) Those 30 would remember what you told them more than just one single person would, too, of course.Most people don’t believe that a particular god’s prophet is actually telling the truth, since no religion has over 29% of the world’s population as followers. When talking to Moses via the “burning bush”, or to Joseph Smith, Jr. (Mormon founder), would you have done that with 30 witnesses, so that your message was believed by far more people? People could think that one person could just be drunk, or high, or delusional, or lying about the encounter – but 30 people would be far more believable. Instead of the prophet saying “god talked to me”, the groups would say “god talked to us” – this helps people to more easily believe a prophet’s self-serving/unscientific unique claim of being the greatest human ever favored by god. If you would do this, then more people would follow your word, so fewer would need to be tortured in the “after-life”. As a loving Scientific Humanist you strive for win/win situations like this!

ScientificHumanism.org

I've asked the same question many times and never once had a response from anyone.

If God has to exist because the universe has to have been created by an intelligent being, then who created God? If God is so intelligent therefore, based on this logic, then God must have been created by something intelligent. And then who created this being that created God? And you can go on all day like this....

So who created God?

Fantastic question! I admire your intellect - you appear driven by reason and logic, and not by fear (fear of god).
Yes, because of this and huge numbers of logical inconsistencies, SH can't bring forward the divine Jesus, but can of course bring forward any good non-magic teachings of his (the philosopher Jesus), like the Golden Rule - not invented by Jesus of course, it came many centuries earlier by many other "prophets", but he certainly popularized it. We like certain parts of his teachings, and have reading the Bible (and the other top 10 belief systems) as part of our belief system.

However, we can't ENDORSE the Bible, because of all the horrific parts, of course. We endorse our own writings....which are better than the Bible anyway because we allow other great teachings to enter our texts, unlike Christians/Bible. We want to be a role model for them.

Okay, so... you didn't answer my question...

Sorry. God would have been created by something, and no one has the answer as to what created him, so we didn't bring forward the belief in god in our belief system. We believe in science and humanity, hence the name of the belief system.

 

[Divine Wind]

God does think that killing gays is the best way to treat gays (and Romans in the New Testament says they don't get into "heaven"), unlike SH - so while I wouldn't call him an "imbecile", it does go to show that he's not real as he was only as ethical as the barbaric times that the Bible was written in. A "god" would of course know better, he would of course not just say "well, I know right from wrong but I'm just going to adopt the barbaric man-made norms of this time.". Obviously. That would be immoral.

Incorrect. Man's concept of God thinks that. Why do so many self-proclaimed "critical thinking" atheists fail to grasp that fact?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Your thoughts, guys?

With Scientific Humanism we can possibly show you many things that are so great that they even go beyond what billions of people consider to be the smartest entity of all time – their god. You might not believe this because all your life Jesus/Bible, while well-intended, have told you that you are a “sinner”. But we can show you how you are a winner, not a “sinner”. The Golden Rule is wonderful, but in the verse right before mentioning the Golden Rule, Jesus allegedly said that you are “evil” or “wicked” – but we believe that you are good….and smart too! So we might have to improve your self-image before you believe that you can maybe be even smarter than “god”.
We love the good parts of other belief systems/religions, and have brought forward a number of the good things that their gods have allegedly said. We believe that about 70-80% of most religious texts are good, so let’s focus on those good parts – and move beyond the other 20 – 30%.

Four ways you could possibly be smarter than even “god”

1. Scientific Humanism has a great principle: “let’s have the most compassionate belief system.” So instead of killing virtually all humans in the Biblical god’s alleged world-wide flood, which also killed almost all innocent animals, too, would you be smart enough to forgive them, instead? Are you smart enough and loving enough to think up creative solutions instead of resorting to genocide of virtually all humans and virtually all animals….such as to come down and educate them? As a Scientific Humanist, because our belief system is based on evidence, reason, and common sense, you can answer “yes” to all the questions herein. We believe in you! However, if you can’t answer “yes” to all these questions, then The Center For Scientific Humanism offers you a potentially great way to improve your self-esteem.
Unlike Scientific Humanism, their god generalized that all humans were bad, so he killed every single person (except the eight people on Noah’s Ark.) However, Scientific Humanism has a principle that states: “people are innately good”, so would you have been more compassionate than he was? Because we respect all groups so much, we have the principle “don’t stereotype”. But generalizing an entire group like that is even worse than saying, for example, “ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS!!” So would you also be smart enough to not generalize about an entire group?
We believe “love your brother/sister like yourself”. Would you be loving enough to at least have spared families who had babies?

2. As a Scientific Humanist, you strive to create the most loving belief system that you possibly can. If you were in god’s shoes you’d pick a “prophet” (to spread your most-important-message-of-all-time!) that lived up to the highest moral standard of Scientific Humanism. You would have picked someone who believes in our axiom of “love everybody, equally”. So you would have moved beyond picking someone even as great as Moses (Moses had 3000 innocent people killed in Exodus 32:25-28 - this is slightly more than the 2,996 innocent people that Osama Bin Laden had killed on 9/11/2001.)

3. As a Scientific Humanist, you are so caring that you believe that you need to take care of our most vulnerable family members, first! You would have picked someone who believes in our cherished principle of “put children first”. One thing Scientific Humanism holds “sacred” is our children. We teach to “love your children so much that you could never abandon them.” You also believe in our principle of “avoid extremism”. So you would have moved beyond picking someone even as great as Jesus (Jesus wanted his followers to abandon their own children, and to hate their own children.)

4. If you were god giving his favorite “prophets” the most important messages of all time, then thinking like a Scientific Humanist, would do that with at least 30 witnesses, and not just to the prophet all my himself, alone? Doing so would of course keep fewer people out of the “hell” you created because 30 witnesses is far more credible and believable than just to one self-serving person. As a Scientific Humanist you are driven by your love of humanity (one reason that “humanity” is in the name!) Those 30 would remember what you told them more than just one single person would, too, of course.Most people don’t believe that a particular god’s prophet is actually telling the truth, since no religion has over 29% of the world’s population as followers. When talking to Moses via the “burning bush”, or to Joseph Smith, Jr. (Mormon founder), would you have done that with 30 witnesses, so that your message was believed by far more people? People could think that one person could just be drunk, or high, or delusional, or lying about the encounter – but 30 people would be far more believable. Instead of the prophet saying “god talked to me”, the groups would say “god talked to us” – this helps people to more easily believe a prophet’s self-serving/unscientific unique claim of being the greatest human ever favored by god. If you would do this, then more people would follow your word, so fewer would need to be tortured in the “after-life”. As a loving Scientific Humanist you strive for win/win situations like this!

ScientificHumanism.org

No. Human beings are limited by their own minds and mortality. Most people can barely comprehend the size of their own planet much less the size of the entire Universe. Mortal versions of "God" and/or existence beyond the physical are limited by our own abilities. It's akin to asking a dog to explain the Theory of Relativity. It can't be done because the dog doesn't have the ability to talk, much less comprehend the idea.

Your thoughts, guys?

With Scientific Humanism we can possibly show you many things that are so great that they even go beyond what billions of people consider to be the smartest entity of all time – their god. You might not believe this because all your life Jesus/Bible, while well-intended, have told you that you are a “sinner”. But we can show you how you are a winner, not a “sinner”. The Golden Rule is wonderful, but in the verse right before mentioning the Golden Rule, Jesus allegedly said that you are “evil” or “wicked” – but we believe that you are good….and smart too! So we might have to improve your self-image before you believe that you can maybe be even smarter than “god”.
We love the good parts of other belief systems/religions, and have brought forward a number of the good things that their gods have allegedly said. We believe that about 70-80% of most religious texts are good, so let’s focus on those good parts – and move beyond the other 20 – 30%.

Four ways you could possibly be smarter than even “god”

1. Scientific Humanism has a great principle: “let’s have the most compassionate belief system.” So instead of killing virtually all humans in the Biblical god’s alleged world-wide flood, which also killed almost all innocent animals, too, would you be smart enough to forgive them, instead? Are you smart enough and loving enough to think up creative solutions instead of resorting to genocide of virtually all humans and virtually all animals….such as to come down and educate them? As a Scientific Humanist, because our belief system is based on evidence, reason, and common sense, you can answer “yes” to all the questions herein. We believe in you! However, if you can’t answer “yes” to all these questions, then The Center For Scientific Humanism offers you a potentially great way to improve your self-esteem.
Unlike Scientific Humanism, their god generalized that all humans were bad, so he killed every single person (except the eight people on Noah’s Ark.) However, Scientific Humanism has a principle that states: “people are innately good”, so would you have been more compassionate than he was? Because we respect all groups so much, we have the principle “don’t stereotype”. But generalizing an entire group like that is even worse than saying, for example, “ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS!!” So would you also be smart enough to not generalize about an entire group?
We believe “love your brother/sister like yourself”. Would you be loving enough to at least have spared families who had babies?

2. As a Scientific Humanist, you strive to create the most loving belief system that you possibly can. If you were in god’s shoes you’d pick a “prophet” (to spread your most-important-message-of-all-time!) that lived up to the highest moral standard of Scientific Humanism. You would have picked someone who believes in our axiom of “love everybody, equally”. So you would have moved beyond picking someone even as great as Moses (Moses had 3000 innocent people killed in Exodus 32:25-28 - this is slightly more than the 2,996 innocent people that Osama Bin Laden had killed on 9/11/2001.)

3. As a Scientific Humanist, you are so caring that you believe that you need to take care of our most vulnerable family members, first! You would have picked someone who believes in our cherished principle of “put children first”. One thing Scientific Humanism holds “sacred” is our children. We teach to “love your children so much that you could never abandon them.” You also believe in our principle of “avoid extremism”. So you would have moved beyond picking someone even as great as Jesus (Jesus wanted his followers to abandon their own children, and to hate their own children.)

4. If you were god giving his favorite “prophets” the most important messages of all time, then thinking like a Scientific Humanist, would do that with at least 30 witnesses, and not just to the prophet all my himself, alone? Doing so would of course keep fewer people out of the “hell” you created because 30 witnesses is far more credible and believable than just to one self-serving person. As a Scientific Humanist you are driven by your love of humanity (one reason that “humanity” is in the name!) Those 30 would remember what you told them more than just one single person would, too, of course.Most people don’t believe that a particular god’s prophet is actually telling the truth, since no religion has over 29% of the world’s population as followers. When talking to Moses via the “burning bush”, or to Joseph Smith, Jr. (Mormon founder), would you have done that with 30 witnesses, so that your message was believed by far more people? People could think that one person could just be drunk, or high, or delusional, or lying about the encounter – but 30 people would be far more believable. Instead of the prophet saying “god talked to me”, the groups would say “god talked to us” – this helps people to more easily believe a prophet’s self-serving/unscientific unique claim of being the greatest human ever favored by god. If you would do this, then more people would follow your word, so fewer would need to be tortured in the “after-life”. As a loving Scientific Humanist you strive for win/win situations like this!

ScientificHumanism.org

I've asked the same question many times and never once had a response from anyone.

If God has to exist because the universe has to have been created by an intelligent being, then who created God? If God is so intelligent therefore, based on this logic, then God must have been created by something intelligent. And then who created this being that created God? And you can go on all day like this....

So who created God?

Fantastic question! I admire your intellect - you appear driven by reason and logic, and not by fear (fear of god).
Yes, because of this and huge numbers of logical inconsistencies, SH can't bring forward the divine Jesus, but can of course bring forward any good non-magic teachings of his (the philosopher Jesus), like the Golden Rule - not invented by Jesus of course, it came many centuries earlier by many other "prophets", but he certainly popularized it. We like certain parts of his teachings, and have reading the Bible (and the other top 10 belief systems) as part of our belief system.

However, we can't ENDORSE the Bible, because of all the horrific parts, of course. We endorse our own writings....which are better than the Bible anyway because we allow other great teachings to enter our texts, unlike Christians/Bible. We want to be a role model for them.

Okay, so... you didn't answer my question...

Sorry. God would have been created by something, and no one has the answer as to what created him, so we didn't bring forward the belief in god in our belief system. We believe in science and humanity, hence the name of the belief system.

You still didn't answer the question.

If God exists, who created God?

 

[Divine Wind]

Sorry. God would have been created by something, and no one has the answer as to what created him, so we didn't bring forward the belief in god in our belief system. We believe in science and humanity, hence the name of the belief system.

The supernatural power you call "God", by definition, is beyond the natural laws of the Universe. Ergo, applying natural laws to a supernatural power is a failure of critical thinking. This is why science only concerns itself with the natural universe since it understands rules beyond the knowable are, by definition, impossible to analyze.

 

[Divine Wind]

Where have you specifically tackled each of the 4 (or even one!) points in the OP!? My guess is that you haven't because those 4 points are very true to the SH teachings (logical, reasoned, use common sense, and scientifically correct), so you can't refute them point by point. So could I suggest that SH might be a direction for you to go in your life since it would appear that Jesus has ill-prepared you to defeat Scientific Humanism. Keep in mind that we want to bring forward the best parts of the top 10 religions, so the truly great parts of the Bible are indeed a part of SH, such as our #8 of our Top 10 Commandments: "do charity/volunteer work". Center for Scientific Humanism: The Ten Commandments of Scientific Humanism

I haven't. How does that prove your claim that I cannot refute them? Are you accepting that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence or are you asserting that absence of evidence proves your point?

 

[Joy4Uall]

Why I am smarter than God

My 10 commandments are superior to those written by God

What I would include in my Ten Commandments

1. Treat others as you prefer to be treated, look at the world from the perspective of others as well as your own


2.Thou shall not allow slavery. Moses led the Hebrews out of slavery and struggled to free them. Yet God does not even prohibit slavery in his ten commandments. I would prohibit slavery and order employers to pay an honest wage and order workers to give an honest days work

3 Thou shall be clean in thy person and thy environment. God could have saved hundreds of millions of lives with this one. Sanitation was a major killer of mankind. Keep yourself clean to avoid germs. Do not pollute your drinking water or your environment. Could have prevented the plague and other killer diseases

4. Thou shall not engage in War. War is a practice of man and not God. God should encourage peaceful resolution of conflicts and consider war an act against God

5. Thou shall educate yourself and others. A critical trait of man. Learning and the spread of knowledge. You should strive to learn your whole life and spread knowledge to others

6. I would expand the honor your father and mother to honor your family. Parents should honor their kids, make sure they are fed and clothed and protected. You should work hard to take care of your family

7. Leave the world better than you found it

8. Show concern for the well being of others. Strive to help those in need

9. Judge all persons on the basis of their character regardless of sex, race, religion or culture

10. Thou shall not be greedy

Excellent!
I'm glad that your 10 don't talk down to us like god/Jesus' do: don't talk down to us telling us by telling us that KILLING is wrong (6th commandment) - we are not stupid like god thinks we are.

 

[Joy4Uall]

Where have you specifically tackled each of the 4 (or even one!) points in the OP!? My guess is that you haven't because those 4 points are very true to the SH teachings (logical, reasoned, use common sense, and scientifically correct), so you can't refute them point by point. So could I suggest that SH might be a direction for you to go in your life since it would appear that Jesus has ill-prepared you to defeat Scientific Humanism. Keep in mind that we want to bring forward the best parts of the top 10 religions, so the truly great parts of the Bible are indeed a part of SH, such as our #8 of our Top 10 Commandments: "do charity/volunteer work". Center for Scientific Humanism: The Ten Commandments of Scientific Humanism

I haven't. How does that prove your claim that I cannot refute them? Are you accepting that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence or are you asserting that absence of evidence proves your point?

Refute each of the 4 claims, specifically, and then we can continue, my friend.

 

[Joy4Uall]

Why I am smarter than God

My 10 commandments are superior to those written by God

What I would include in my Ten Commandments

1. Treat others as you prefer to be treated, look at the world from the perspective of others as well as your own


2.Thou shall not allow slavery. Moses led the Hebrews out of slavery and struggled to free them. Yet God does not even prohibit slavery in his ten commandments. I would prohibit slavery and order employers to pay an honest wage and order workers to give an honest days work

3 Thou shall be clean in thy person and thy environment. God could have saved hundreds of millions of lives with this one. Sanitation was a major killer of mankind. Keep yourself clean to avoid germs. Do not pollute your drinking water or your environment. Could have prevented the plague and other killer diseases

4. Thou shall not engage in War. War is a practice of man and not God. God should encourage peaceful resolution of conflicts and consider war an act against God

5. Thou shall educate yourself and others. A critical trait of man. Learning and the spread of knowledge. You should strive to learn your whole life and spread knowledge to others

6. I would expand the honor your father and mother to honor your family. Parents should honor their kids, make sure they are fed and clothed and protected. You should work hard to take care of your family

7. Leave the world better than you found it

8. Show concern for the well being of others. Strive to help those in need

9. Judge all persons on the basis of their character regardless of sex, race, religion or culture

10. Thou shall not be greedy

I'm so impressed with you.
You're arguably a Scientific Humanist, as your #8 is almost the SAME as SH's #8!
"8. Do charity/volunteer work."
Center for Scientific Humanism: The Ten Commandments of Scientific Humanism

Your (and our) top 10 is better for the world than god/Moses', so you need to tell the world about this! You just moved beyond even the #1 role model of all time for 2.1 billion people....just think about how significant that is. You also have more drive, and more faith in yourself, than those 2.1 billion people since you dared to improve on even "god's" top 10 commands!

 

[Joy4Uall]

Your question misses an important option addressing the anthropomorphic error. In other words, asking whether God is "smart" is wrongly presupposing God's human characteristics. It's like asking whether we can be smarter than Truth. God conceived non-anthropomorphically renders the question unintelligible.

I'm not sure that you can specifically refute any of the 4 specific claims in the OP, my friend. Give it a try, I do believe in you, however.

 

[Joy4Uall]

In the poll "No" is still winning, but no one has specifically refuted any of the 4 points - I gotta believe that the 4 points are quite valid then, or people who answered "No" would rip them apart point by point. So maybe the real answer is "Yes", guys!

 

[Joy4Uall]

Where have you specifically tackled each of the 4 (or even one!) points in the OP!? My guess is that you haven't because those 4 points are very true to the SH teachings (logical, reasoned, use common sense, and scientifically correct), so you can't refute them point by point. So could I suggest that SH might be a direction for you to go in your life since it would appear that Jesus has ill-prepared you to defeat Scientific Humanism. Keep in mind that we want to bring forward the best parts of the top 10 religions, so the truly great parts of the Bible are indeed a part of SH, such as our #8 of our Top 10 Commandments: "do charity/volunteer work". Center for Scientific Humanism: The Ten Commandments of Scientific Humanism

I haven't. How does that prove your claim that I cannot refute them? Are you accepting that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence or are you asserting that absence of evidence proves your point?

Would YOU have picked a mass-murderer (Moses) to give the most important message of all time (allegedly - the 10 Commandments) to? I assume that you are smarter than that?

 

[rightwinger]

Why I am smarter than God

My 10 commandments are superior to those written by God

What I would include in my Ten Commandments

1. Treat others as you prefer to be treated, look at the world from the perspective of others as well as your own


2.Thou shall not allow slavery. Moses led the Hebrews out of slavery and struggled to free them. Yet God does not even prohibit slavery in his ten commandments. I would prohibit slavery and order employers to pay an honest wage and order workers to give an honest days work

3 Thou shall be clean in thy person and thy environment. God could have saved hundreds of millions of lives with this one. Sanitation was a major killer of mankind. Keep yourself clean to avoid germs. Do not pollute your drinking water or your environment. Could have prevented the plague and other killer diseases

4. Thou shall not engage in War. War is a practice of man and not God. God should encourage peaceful resolution of conflicts and consider war an act against God

5. Thou shall educate yourself and others. A critical trait of man. Learning and the spread of knowledge. You should strive to learn your whole life and spread knowledge to others

6. I would expand the honor your father and mother to honor your family. Parents should honor their kids, make sure they are fed and clothed and protected. You should work hard to take care of your family

7. Leave the world better than you found it

8. Show concern for the well being of others. Strive to help those in need

9. Judge all persons on the basis of their character regardless of sex, race, religion or culture

10. Thou shall not be greedy

I'm so impressed with you.
You're arguably a Scientific Humanist, as your #8 is almost the SAME as SH's #8!
"8. Do charity/volunteer work."
Center for Scientific Humanism: The Ten Commandments of Scientific Humanism

Your (and our) top 10 is better for the world than god/Moses', so you need to tell the world about this! You just moved beyond even the #1 role model of all time for 2.1 billion people....just think about how significant that is. You also have more drive, and more faith in yourself, than those 2.1 billion people since you dared to improve on even "god's" top 10 commands!

The 10 Commandments were not God's best day. He wasted the first four telling people "you better worship me or else" It was the work of a very insecure God.

What always puzzled me was how Moses struggled to rescue the Jews from slavery and God could not even find room in his commandments to say slavery is bad. Coveting is bad....slavery? Not so much

 

[Joy4Uall]

Why I am smarter than God

My 10 commandments are superior to those written by God

What I would include in my Ten Commandments

1. Treat others as you prefer to be treated, look at the world from the perspective of others as well as your own


2.Thou shall not allow slavery. Moses led the Hebrews out of slavery and struggled to free them. Yet God does not even prohibit slavery in his ten commandments. I would prohibit slavery and order employers to pay an honest wage and order workers to give an honest days work

3 Thou shall be clean in thy person and thy environment. God could have saved hundreds of millions of lives with this one. Sanitation was a major killer of mankind. Keep yourself clean to avoid germs. Do not pollute your drinking water or your environment. Could have prevented the plague and other killer diseases

4. Thou shall not engage in War. War is a practice of man and not God. God should encourage peaceful resolution of conflicts and consider war an act against God

5. Thou shall educate yourself and others. A critical trait of man. Learning and the spread of knowledge. You should strive to learn your whole life and spread knowledge to others

6. I would expand the honor your father and mother to honor your family. Parents should honor their kids, make sure they are fed and clothed and protected. You should work hard to take care of your family

7. Leave the world better than you found it

8. Show concern for the well being of others. Strive to help those in need

9. Judge all persons on the basis of their character regardless of sex, race, religion or culture

10. Thou shall not be greedy

I'm so impressed with you.
You're arguably a Scientific Humanist, as your #8 is almost the SAME as SH's #8!
"8. Do charity/volunteer work."
Center for Scientific Humanism: The Ten Commandments of Scientific Humanism

Your (and our) top 10 is better for the world than god/Moses', so you need to tell the world about this! You just moved beyond even the #1 role model of all time for 2.1 billion people....just think about how significant that is. You also have more drive, and more faith in yourself, than those 2.1 billion people since you dared to improve on even "god's" top 10 commands!

The 10 Commandments were not God's best day. He wasted the first four telling people "you better worship me or else" It was the work of a very insecure God.

What always puzzled me was how Moses struggled to rescue the Jews from slavery and God could not even find room in his commandments to say slavery is bad. Coveting is bad....slavery? Not so much

Yes, uh, coveting is worse than rape, worse that kidnapping, worse than torture? Clearly our belief systems have moved to a higher moral plane than Christians have - so let's love them and help them - let's show them this better way.
Keep in mind that Jesus also accepted slavery:
In the following parable, Jesus approves of beating slaves even if they didn’t know they were doing wrong - and he never spoke against slavery (so we assume he fully accepted slavery):
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.” (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

So since you've moved beyond even someone as great as Jesus, I think you should devote most of your free time to helping Christians learn a new way - you are a better role model than even Jesus, I suspect.

 

[Joy4Uall]

Why I am smarter than God

My 10 commandments are superior to those written by God

What I would include in my Ten Commandments

1. Treat others as you prefer to be treated, look at the world from the perspective of others as well as your own


2.Thou shall not allow slavery. Moses led the Hebrews out of slavery and struggled to free them. Yet God does not even prohibit slavery in his ten commandments. I would prohibit slavery and order employers to pay an honest wage and order workers to give an honest days work

3 Thou shall be clean in thy person and thy environment. God could have saved hundreds of millions of lives with this one. Sanitation was a major killer of mankind. Keep yourself clean to avoid germs. Do not pollute your drinking water or your environment. Could have prevented the plague and other killer diseases

4. Thou shall not engage in War. War is a practice of man and not God. God should encourage peaceful resolution of conflicts and consider war an act against God

5. Thou shall educate yourself and others. A critical trait of man. Learning and the spread of knowledge. You should strive to learn your whole life and spread knowledge to others

6. I would expand the honor your father and mother to honor your family. Parents should honor their kids, make sure they are fed and clothed and protected. You should work hard to take care of your family

7. Leave the world better than you found it

8. Show concern for the well being of others. Strive to help those in need

9. Judge all persons on the basis of their character regardless of sex, race, religion or culture

10. Thou shall not be greedy

I'm so impressed with you.
You're arguably a Scientific Humanist, as your #8 is almost the SAME as SH's #8!
"8. Do charity/volunteer work."
Center for Scientific Humanism: The Ten Commandments of Scientific Humanism

Your (and our) top 10 is better for the world than god/Moses', so you need to tell the world about this! You just moved beyond even the #1 role model of all time for 2.1 billion people....just think about how significant that is. You also have more drive, and more faith in yourself, than those 2.1 billion people since you dared to improve on even "god's" top 10 commands!

The 10 Commandments were not God's best day. He wasted the first four telling people "you better worship me or else" It was the work of a very insecure God.

What always puzzled me was how Moses struggled to rescue the Jews from slavery and God could not even find room in his commandments to say slavery is bad. Coveting is bad....slavery? Not so much

We like some of the philosophical teachings in the Bible, and urge people to read the Bible and all of the top 10 religions - lots of good stuff there. New Atheists tend to only bash, in a mean-spirited way, the Bible and other religions. They say mostly what they are against (Dawkins had a big "A" button on his lapel - he's Atheist - "a" means non, I'm NOT a theist). We like to spell out what we are FOR, mostly.

But ultimately we couldn't ethically bring forward into our belief system the immoral parts of the Bible (it's ok to beat slaves to death as long as the death drags out past a few days), so we have a more ethical belief system - the best of the best - than Christians have. Our children deserve the best! I'm sure that you love your kids too much to endorse a book (Bible/Qur'an) that says to KILL them if they turn out like god (allegedly) made them - say if they turn out gay.

Scientific Humanism:
No slavery.

Bible:
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

 

[Meane]

My book would be clear enough that my followers would know they are never to behead their fellow humans, burn them at the stake, stone them to death, molest children, or any other form of killing or debauchery on your fellow man. There wouldn't be room for interpretation, I'd make that shit as clear as a Chilton's auto manual with diagrams and images. Anyone that tried to profit from my book in any way would be cleaning the latrine at Shawshank Prison forever. And if I was watching 12,000 Jews a day being gassed to death in gas chambers I would immediately say "ok, enough of this batshit, here I am I've put a stop to all of it".

And I would have known drowning the entire Earth with a flood and leaving one family left would not solve anything and the human race would be right back where it was before slaughtering all those people for nothing.

But that's just me.

What would you have done/did when they killed the Jews? If you have a good heart it is your purpose to do good not to expect the world to be perfect.

Let me jump in here - the best solution is to not bring forward the parts of the Bible were the god/heroes approve of killing innocent people, or killing people of other faiths. Your children deserve this. Moses and Elijah slaughtering people is not the best thing to teach our children - it teaches that killing is the best solution, but killing is not the best solution.

Well, you know, if they didn't do all the mass killing there would probably not be room for you here.

 

[Divine Wind]

Where have you specifically tackled each of the 4 (or even one!) points in the OP!? My guess is that you haven't because those 4 points are very true to the SH teachings (logical, reasoned, use common sense, and scientifically correct), so you can't refute them point by point. So could I suggest that SH might be a direction for you to go in your life since it would appear that Jesus has ill-prepared you to defeat Scientific Humanism. Keep in mind that we want to bring forward the best parts of the top 10 religions, so the truly great parts of the Bible are indeed a part of SH, such as our #8 of our Top 10 Commandments: "do charity/volunteer work". Center for Scientific Humanism: The Ten Commandments of Scientific Humanism

I haven't. How does that prove your claim that I cannot refute them? Are you accepting that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence or are you asserting that absence of evidence proves your point?

Refute each of the 4 claims, specifically, and then we can continue, my friend.

Why? As you've done with several posts, you not only make false accusations, but you cherry-pick your "facts" out of context, assert your beliefs upon them then stand back like a Sophomoric adolescent, fold your arms and say "Prove me wrong".

When you apologize for making false accusations against me and stop cherry-picking your "facts", I'll consider you rational enough to have an adult conversation on dogmatic religions and "Scientific Humanism".

 

[Divine Wind]

We like some of the philosophical teachings in the Bible, and urge people to read the Bible and all of the top 10 religions - lots of good stuff there. New Atheists tend to only bash, in a mean-spirited way, the Bible and other religions. They say mostly what they are against (Dawkins had a big "A" button on his lapel - he's Atheist - "a" means non, I'm NOT a theist). We like to spell out what we are FOR, mostly.

But ultimately we couldn't ethically bring forward into our belief system the immoral parts of the Bible (it's ok to beat slaves to death as long as the death drags out past a few days), so we have a more ethical belief system - the best of the best - than Christians have. Our children deserve the best! I'm sure that you love your kids too much to endorse a book (Bible/Qur'an) that says to KILL them if they turn out like god (allegedly) made them - say if they turn out gay.

Scientific Humanism:
No slavery.

Bible:
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

"We"? I've noticed you've done this a few times. One might be a simple writing error, but multiple times proves you intended to say "we". Are you the official spokesperson for all "Scientific Humanists"? Is that an elected position or an appointed one?

 

[Divine Wind]

Would YOU have picked a mass-murderer (Moses) to give the most important message of all time (allegedly - the 10 Commandments) to? I assume that you are smarter than that?

You're assuming God did pick Moses to do this. I'm fascinated by your line of argument since 1) you are tacitly accepting there is an Abrahamic God, 2) Moses is guilty of "mass-murder" verses simply exercising the natural right of self-defense and 3) that Moses was given divine powers to commit such an act as parting the Red Sea or calling upon the Angel of Death.

 

[Joy4Uall]

My book would be clear enough that my followers would know they are never to behead their fellow humans, burn them at the stake, stone them to death, molest children, or any other form of killing or debauchery on your fellow man. There wouldn't be room for interpretation, I'd make that shit as clear as a Chilton's auto manual with diagrams and images. Anyone that tried to profit from my book in any way would be cleaning the latrine at Shawshank Prison forever. And if I was watching 12,000 Jews a day being gassed to death in gas chambers I would immediately say "ok, enough of this batshit, here I am I've put a stop to all of it".

And I would have known drowning the entire Earth with a flood and leaving one family left would not solve anything and the human race would be right back where it was before slaughtering all those people for nothing.

But that's just me.

What would you have done/did when they killed the Jews? If you have a good heart it is your purpose to do good not to expect the world to be perfect.

Let me jump in here - the best solution is to not bring forward the parts of the Bible were the god/heroes approve of killing innocent people, or killing people of other faiths. Your children deserve this. Moses and Elijah slaughtering people is not the best thing to teach our children - it teaches that killing is the best solution, but killing is not the best solution.

Well, you know, if they didn't do all the mass killing there would probably not be room for you here.

Let's not even JOKE about the atrocities in the Bible - god's approval of those atrocities has lead to a less ethical world - so it has caused untold damage on the morality of our species. We deserve a belief system that moves beyond god's morality - into the 21 century.

 

[Joy4Uall]

We like some of the philosophical teachings in the Bible, and urge people to read the Bible and all of the top 10 religions - lots of good stuff there. New Atheists tend to only bash, in a mean-spirited way, the Bible and other religions. They say mostly what they are against (Dawkins had a big "A" button on his lapel - he's Atheist - "a" means non, I'm NOT a theist). We like to spell out what we are FOR, mostly.

But ultimately we couldn't ethically bring forward into our belief system the immoral parts of the Bible (it's ok to beat slaves to death as long as the death drags out past a few days), so we have a more ethical belief system - the best of the best - than Christians have. Our children deserve the best! I'm sure that you love your kids too much to endorse a book (Bible/Qur'an) that says to KILL them if they turn out like god (allegedly) made them - say if they turn out gay.

Scientific Humanism:
No slavery.

Bible:
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

"We"? I've noticed you've done this a few times. One might be a simple writing error, but multiple times proves you intended to say "we". Are you the official spokesperson for all "Scientific Humanists"? Is that an elected position or an appointed one?

Very valid question. When I say "we" I'm generally referring to the typical Scientific Humanist, but I have not been elected Pope of Scientific Humanism.