Capitalism is NOT Democratic: Democracy is NOT Capitalist

[bripat9643]

Why is that?

Because it's impossible. Communism is designed to fail.

 

[struth]

WRONG!

In no way does or ever did socialism imply any lack of private personal possession of anything.
Anyone can invest in any means of production any time they want under socialism.
It is just that they are regulated against illegal and abusive actions.
And even if they do nothing illegal or abusive, if they do not satisfy the needs of the community, then the community may produce their own means of production for the same goods or services, and undercut the prices of anyone who is abusive.

maybe you should look up the defiantoo of socia

Prohibition gave organized crime the money to infiltrate politics along with getting political organizing out of the saloons.

Capitalism provided fertile ground for such an enterprise:

The Marxist Perspective on Crime

1. "Capitalism is Crimogenic –This means that the Capitalist system encourages criminal behaviour.
2. The Law is made by the Capitalist elite and tends to work in their interests.
3. All classes, not just the working classes commit crime, and the crimes of the Capitalist class are more costly than street crime.
4. The state practices Selective Law Enforcement – The Criminal Justice system mainly concerns itself with policing and punishing the marginalised, not the wealthy, and this performs ideological functions for the elite classes."

Corporate and White-Collar Prosecutions At All-Time Lows

yeah the Govt…lead by the Progressives, banned alcohol! dumb move

you are right that capitalism pushed through…there was still high demand, and the criminals (because they sold illegal booze) sold it

once again, govt overreached.

i’m not quite sure what point you are trying to make? maybe have a socialist country where what people won’t drink?

where there is a demand, people will produce…that’s why capitalism is so great because it understands human nature

 

[dblack]

Prohibition gave organized crime the money to infiltrate politics along with getting political organizing out of the saloons.

Capitalism provided fertile ground for such an enterprise:

The Marxist Perspective on Crime

1. "Capitalism is Crimogenic –This means that the Capitalist system encourages criminal behaviour.
2. The Law is made by the Capitalist elite and tends to work in their interests.
3. All classes, not just the working classes commit crime, and the crimes of the Capitalist class are more costly than street crime.
4. The state practices Selective Law Enforcement – The Criminal Justice system mainly concerns itself with policing and punishing the marginalised, not the wealthy, and this performs ideological functions for the elite classes."

Corporate and White-Collar Prosecutions At All-Time Lows

Ka-ching!

Do you have a quota?

 

[georgephillip]

5

Which of those five forms of government do you prefer?

 

[dblack]

Which of those five forms of government do you prefer?

I was mocking your stupid question with a stupid answer. Do you have a point, so-crates?

 

[struth]

Isn't it obvious that Capitalists and the State as wealthiest have Any say whatsoever in at-will employment regarding the Labor as the least wealthy? Can Labor as the least wealthy require Good Cause from the Capitalist or the State?

yea labor can require “good cause” or no cause at all…they don’t have to work there at all

 

[georgephillip]

Creating life saving drugs while making a profit......just terrible.

No drugs and no profit is much better, eh?

 

[struth]

Big Pharma, he literally said the same company is selling it in Canada
.
We get fucked here because Canada won’t pay full price and Americans are left subsidizing the cost for their meds

 

[georgephillip]

In fact, they didn't. I'd wager that no one, ever, actually paid anything close to 90% of their income in taxes. That was populist horseshit to satiate ignorant socialists.

Your link:

"There is a common misconception that high-income Americans are not paying much in taxes compared to what they used to. Proponents of this view often point to the 1950s, when the top federal income tax rate was 91 percent for most of the decade.[1] However, despite these high marginal rates, the top 1 percent of taxpayers in the 1950s only paid about 42 percent of their income in taxes."

How does that 42% compare to today's effective tax rate on the richest one percent?

top one percent effective tax rate - Google Search

 

[georgephillip]

I cited IRS STATISTICS you stupid lying fuck. Stop making up shit. And I was talking about today, not the Eisenhower administration

The richest one percent paid an effective tax rate of around 42% when Ike was in the White House, and they pay about half that much today.

https://www.google.com/search?q=top...i22i29i30l2.8815j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

[georgephillip]

Wow, people who don't pay taxes got the smallest part of a tax cut. I mean duh, think about it. THEY DON'T PAY TAXES. And yet you want them to get the most back. You're a fucking moron

You're too fucking MAGA to realize why millions of Americans no longer earn enough to pay taxes at the rates they once did. Why don't you take a few Econ courses at Trump U?

Bitch.

 

[georgephillip]

Is that why our Founding Fathers gave us a Constitution?

I think our Founders followed the Magna Carta more than Athenian Democracy. At least that's the view of Yanis Varoufakis. That has led to creditor control of government for thousands of years.



"In the West, we mistakenly believe that capitalism begets inevitably democracy.

"It doesn't. Allow me to point out an interesting paradox that is threatening our economies as we speak. I call it the twin peaks paradox.

"One peak is the mountain of debts that is - has been casting a long shadow over the United States, Europe, the whole world.

"But few people discern its twin, mountain of idle cash belonging to rich savers and the corporations, too terrified to invest it into the productive activities that can generate the incomes from which you can extinguish the mountain of debts."

Creditors have controlled every western government for thousands of years; perhaps that is about to change?

 

[dblack]

Your link:

"There is a common misconception that high-income Americans are not paying much in taxes compared to what they used to. Proponents of this view often point to the 1950s, when the top federal income tax rate was 91 percent for most of the decade.[1] However, despite these high marginal rates, the top 1 percent of taxpayers in the 1950s only paid about 42 percent of their income in taxes."

How does that 42% compare to today's effective tax rate on the richest one percent?

top one percent effective tax rate - Google Search

Yep. That backs up what i said. Where did you get confused?

 

[georgephillip]

Organized crime existed long before capitalism. Georgie can't get anything right.. I swear to God, you say stupid bullshit simply for attention.

So what, Moron.
Markets existed long before capitalism as did government and money.
Does that mean markets, money, markets, and government have no bearing on capitalism today?
Why does anyone as ignorant and stupid as you are waste bandwidth on issues like this?

The Marxist Perspective on Crime

"Many Marxists see crime as a natural ‘outgrowth’ of the capitalist system. The Capitalist system can be said to be crimogenic in three major ways –

1. "Capitalism encourages individuals to pursue self-interest rather than public duty
2. Capitalism encourages individuals to be materialistic consumers, making us aspire to an unrealistic and often unattainable lifestyle.
3. Capitalism in its wake generates massive inequality and poverty, conditions which are correlated with higher crime rates."

 

[Rigby5]

Of course it does. Wherever private means of production is allowed, it wipes out socialist enterprise if they are both voluntary.

The other way around.
Socialist enterprise always beats capitalist private enterprise because a socialist enterprise does not have to make a profit.
It is subsidized.

 

[Rigby5]

The question is "How is anyone going to invest in a socialist enterprise?"

Usually through taxes and voting.

 

[Rigby5]

maybe you should look up the defiantoo of socia

yeah the Govt…lead by the Progressives, banned alcohol! dumb move

you are right that capitalism pushed through…there was still high demand, and the criminals (because they sold illegal booze) sold it

once again, govt overreached.

i’m not quite sure what point you are trying to make? maybe have a socialist country where what people won’t drink?

where there is a demand, people will produce…that’s why capitalism is so great because it understands human nature

Here is the definition of socialism:

{....
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
...}

In no way does socialism imply government ownership of all means of production.
Never has.

 

[bripat9643]

Usually through taxes and voting.

NOpe. Pissing money down the toilet bowl is not investing. After investing you usually have an asset. What do you (the individual have after paying taxes? Answer: nothing.

 

[bripat9643]

The other way around.
Socialist enterprise always beats capitalist private enterprise because a socialist enterprise does not have to make a profit.
It is subsidized.

When has this ever happened?

By "subsidized" you mean the government loots your money. That's a 100% loss, not an investment

 

[bripat9643]

Here is the definition of socialism:

{....
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
...}

In no way does socialism imply government ownership of all means of production.
Never has.

How do you have socialism without government ownership?