Catholic Bishops Oppose Compromise on Birth-Control

[Luissa]

So? I took birth control after my son was born to regulate my hormones not because I was having sex.

For that discrimination to be true the church would have to be buying the men condoms.


Another whack job that can be dismissed.

They cover Viagra, that is close enough for me. I wonder what else they cover? Vasectomies? One should look into that.

Do you have proof of that, or did you just jump on the bandwagon because you think it makes them look like hypocrites? Are you even aware Viagra treats things other than ED? That it is sometime prescribed to children for pulmonary hypertension?

 

[Peach]

Seems they need to clean up their own backyard and let contraceptives prevent abortions.

Come on! The Church has been consistent on this; if it isn't a tough question, you may not respect the LIBERTY of Catholics to follow in their faith. I may disagree but the right of others to practice their beliefs comes before MY opinion. (and no I am not referencing "killing infidels".)

 

[Quantum Windbag]

They cover Viagra, that is close enough for me. I wonder what else they cover? Vasectomies? One should look into that.

Do you have proof of that, or did you just jump on the bandwagon because you think it makes them look like hypocrites? Are you even aware Viagra treats things other than ED? That it is sometime prescribed to children for pulmonary hypertension?

Birth Control Pills treat other things besides not wanting to have babies...

If the Catholic church refuses to cover the use of synthetic estrogen for any possible medical use, which I sincerely doubt, you have a point. Otherwise you just look like an idiot, which is normal.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

This is good for the president. It puts him on the right side of the issue at every level,

birth control in general, making birth control available, and being the one willing to compromise vs. some scary extremists in the bowels of the Catholic church hierarchy.

In what way was birth control NOT available for those who desired to receive it? Also, do you honestly think that this move of "free contraception" by the Federal Government, will prevent those in poverty from having even MORE kids if it means their "bread and butter" coming from the government (on the backs of other, more responsible taxpayers)?

There is another way Obama is going to win votes from women. This would cost women on average an extra $800 a year. So the GOP are in favor of costing the average woman an extra $800 a year. Put that on a bumper sticker.

Secondly, hell yes this prevents a lot of births. Why else do you think right wing wackos care so much?

And the last point, which I'm sure will go over your conservative head. This is preventative medicine! A lot of poor women take advantage of the free contraceptives. Are you following this? Now if they had welfare babies, we would pay a lot more than $800 a year.

And while you righties want to force poor people to have babies, you are cutting them off from welfare and foodstamps?

Your side is cruel and doesn't make sense.

newsflash! There were still means for women to get free contraception who couldn't afford it BEFORE this policy of Obama. This is nothing new, it just allows every taxpayer to now take part in paying for any women aho wish to receive it.

Second, it's the Democrat party who is the big enabler to people on welfare. Conservatives desire that those on welfare work their way to becoming productive citizens in society, show some responsibility, and begin paying their share of taxes like everyone else. I know this concept of taking personal responsibility is hard for a liberal like you to grasp. However it's the Democrats that want to provide them with MORE in the way of free government taxpayer money, coming from other more responsible "working" members of society. The poor take advantage of this by having more babies, so they can in return RECEIVE even more free funding from the government. Is all this a real eye opening shocker for you?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

There is another way Obama is going to win votes from women. This would cost women on average an extra $800 a year. So the GOP are in favor of costing the average woman an extra $800 a year. Put that on a bumper sticker.

Secondly, hell yes this prevents a lot of births. Why else do you think right wing wackos care so much?

And the last point, which I'm sure will go over your conservative head. This is preventative medicine! A lot of poor women take advantage of the free contraceptives. Are you following this? Now if they had welfare babies, we would pay a lot more than $800 a year.

And while you righties want to force poor people to have babies, you are cutting them off from welfare and foodstamps?

Your side is cruel and doesn't make sense.

Here's something to put on a bumper sticker, Democrats want you to pay more for health insurance.

Unless, that is, you are as stupid as Obama.

Not true at all.

And costs went up 200% from 2000-2006. You are only complaining now because now you think you can put it on Obama. Trust me, Obamacare is going to keep costs in check.

You must be a Fox viewer. They did a survey and Fox viewers are the most uninformed on things like

Obamacare
Did Obama lower or raise your taxes
And did Saddam have something to do with 9-11.

Fox misled you on purpose. See, you are being brainwashed with lies and false propoganda.

Then you are as stupid as Obama and think that providing coverage for routine expenses makes costs go down, good to know. You do know that one of the reasons for the increase in health care costs you keep whinging about is the fact that insurance plans cover things that are not normally the purview of insurance, and that Obama wants to go further and even eliminate copays, don't you? Doing this will further drive up the cost of care, and the cost of insurance.

 

[Peach]

They did a survey and Fox viewers are the most uninformed on things like

Obamacare
Did Obama lower or raise your taxes
And did Saddam have something to do with 9-11.
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Correct but as one VERY right wing female THING once told me, she likes FOX because "it's simple". Not surprisingly, she differs with the Republican party on ONE issue: ABORTION.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

They did a survey and Fox viewers are the most uninformed on things like

Obamacare
Did Obama lower or raise your taxes
And did Saddam have something to do with 9-11.
*****************************************
Correct but as one VERY right wing female THING once told me, she likes FOX because "it's simple". Not surprisingly, she differs with the Republican party on ONE issue: ABORTION.

I did a survey and found that people who cite surveys are all uninformed and stupid.

 

[SFC Ollie]

I personally don't think the catholic church should discriminate against their women employees. Are they threatening to stop covering health care costs that only directly apply to men?

But YOU are for Obama and the Government burning the Constitution in the meantime.

Sure I am, moron. Try again.
Of course you wouldn't understand, you are man you can still get Viagra.

Viagra is not Birth Control condoms would be. And my bet is that the catholic church does not cover condoms or vasectomies. I don't know that as fact, but that would be my guess. Now if they do cover vasectomies then I would say they were discriminating against women.

 

[JoeB131]

If the Catholic church refuses to cover the use of synthetic estrogen for any possible medical use, which I sincerely doubt, you have a point. Otherwise you just look like an idiot, which is normal.

Okay. That's simple enough.

Amazingly, lot of women are getting birth control pills for medical use now. Wow. Amazing. Yup. Problem solved. Everything has medinical purposes...

That's the problem. I don't want the Church in that doctor's office. Just like I don't want the doctor in the pulpit.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

There is another way Obama is going to win votes from women. This would cost women on average an extra $800 a year. So the GOP are in favor of costing the average woman an extra $800 a year. Put that on a bumper sticker.

Secondly, hell yes this prevents a lot of births. Why else do you think right wing wackos care so much?

And the last point, which I'm sure will go over your conservative head. This is preventative medicine! A lot of poor women take advantage of the free contraceptives. Are you following this? Now if they had welfare babies, we would pay a lot more than $800 a year.

And while you righties want to force poor people to have babies, you are cutting them off from welfare and foodstamps?

Your side is cruel and doesn't make sense.

Here's something to put on a bumper sticker, Democrats want you to pay more for health insurance.

Unless, that is, you are as stupid as Obama.

Not true at all.

And costs went up 200% from 2000-2006. You are only complaining now because now you think you can put it on Obama. Trust me, Obamacare is going to keep costs in check.

You must be a Fox viewer. They did a survey and Fox viewers are the most uninformed on things like

Obamacare
Did Obama lower or raise your taxes
And did Saddam have something to do with 9-11.

Fox misled you on purpose. See, you are being brainwashed with lies and false propoganda.

If a national healthcare system is to keep Health care in check, then how do you explain this little "problem" regarding England's national Health Care system? Oops

Health Squeeze: UK's free health care under threat - Washington Times

 

[SFC Ollie]

There is another way Obama is going to win votes from women. This would cost women on average an extra $800 a year. So the GOP are in favor of costing the average woman an extra $800 a year. Put that on a bumper sticker.

Secondly, hell yes this prevents a lot of births. Why else do you think right wing wackos care so much?

And the last point, which I'm sure will go over your conservative head. This is preventative medicine! A lot of poor women take advantage of the free contraceptives. Are you following this? Now if they had welfare babies, we would pay a lot more than $800 a year.

And while you righties want to force poor people to have babies, you are cutting them off from welfare and foodstamps?

Your side is cruel and doesn't make sense.

Here's something to put on a bumper sticker, Democrats want you to pay more for health insurance.

Unless, that is, you are as stupid as Obama.

Not true at all.

And costs went up 200% from 2000-2006. You are only complaining now because now you think you can put it on Obama. Trust me, Obamacare is going to keep costs in check.

You must be a Fox viewer. They did a survey and Fox viewers are the most uninformed on things like

Obamacare
Did Obama lower or raise your taxes
And did Saddam have something to do with 9-11.

Fox misled you on purpose. See, you are being brainwashed with lies and false propoganda.

And my health care costs went up last October, wasn't that after Obamacare started?

 

[Luissa]

But YOU are for Obama and the Government burning the Constitution in the meantime.

Sure I am, moron. Try again.
Of course you wouldn't understand, you are man you can still get Viagra.

Viagra is not Birth Control condoms would be. And my bet is that the catholic church does not cover condoms or vasectomies. I don't know that as fact, but that would be my guess. Now if they do cover vasectomies then I would say they were discriminating against women.

Look up providence healt care plans, Providence which runs Catholic hospitals in this area covers vasectomies and birth control. I guess not all Catholics are stupid like these male bishops.

 

[Luissa]

They were all scheduled to increase, health care costs have been increasing every year due to the non insured. It wasn't all to do with obamscare, which most of won't take effect until 2014.

Here's something to put on a bumper sticker, Democrats want you to pay more for health insurance.

Unless, that is, you are as stupid as Obama.

Not true at all.

And costs went up 200% from 2000-2006. You are only complaining now because now you think you can put it on Obama. Trust me, Obamacare is going to keep costs in check.

You must be a Fox viewer. They did a survey and Fox viewers are the most uninformed on things like

Obamacare
Did Obama lower or raise your taxes
And did Saddam have something to do with 9-11.

Fox misled you on purpose. See, you are being brainwashed with lies and false propoganda.

And my health care costs went up last October, wasn't that after Obamacare started?

 

[Luissa]

But YOU are for Obama and the Government burning the Constitution in the meantime.

Sure I am, moron. Try again.
Of course you wouldn't understand, you are man you can still get Viagra.

Viagra is not Birth Control condoms would be. And my bet is that the catholic church does not cover condoms or vasectomies. I don't know that as fact, but that would be my guess. Now if they do cover vasectomies then I would say they were discriminating against women.

Viagra is also an elective drug, not something used for anything other than for a guy to get a hard on... In children it might not be elective but in men it is.
I am not asking you to cover my hair appointments so I might get laid easier.

 

[sealybobo]

Here's something to put on a bumper sticker, Democrats want you to pay more for health insurance.

Unless, that is, you are as stupid as Obama.

Not true at all.

And costs went up 200% from 2000-2006. You are only complaining now because now you think you can put it on Obama. Trust me, Obamacare is going to keep costs in check.

You must be a Fox viewer. They did a survey and Fox viewers are the most uninformed on things like

Obamacare
Did Obama lower or raise your taxes
And did Saddam have something to do with 9-11.

Fox misled you on purpose. See, you are being brainwashed with lies and false propoganda.

And my health care costs went up last October, wasn't that after Obamacare started?

The insurance companies got a grace period between when Obamacare was first passed so they could get ready for all the changes. In that time they have jacked up the costs because pretty soon they won't be allowed to do that anymore.

I'll ask you the same question you asked us when Obamacare was first passed. Did you read it? Then you don't know what you are talking about.

Pretty soon the rises in healthcare costs are going to have to be justified and Obamacare is going to lower costs over time.

The GOP and corporate media aren't going to tell you that. Stop being lied to. Its true and you don't even know it. Doesn't it bother you that you are being misinformed?

 

[sealybobo]

They were all scheduled to increase, health care costs have been increasing every year due to the non insured. It wasn't all to do with obamscare, which most of won't take effect until 2014.

Not true at all.

And costs went up 200% from 2000-2006. You are only complaining now because now you think you can put it on Obama. Trust me, Obamacare is going to keep costs in check.

You must be a Fox viewer. They did a survey and Fox viewers are the most uninformed on things like

Obamacare
Did Obama lower or raise your taxes
And did Saddam have something to do with 9-11.

Fox misled you on purpose. See, you are being brainwashed with lies and false propoganda.

And my health care costs went up last October, wasn't that after Obamacare started?

Thanks for the confirmation Luissa.

Isn't that funny. Costs went up 200% from 2000-2006 and they didn't complain until now.

And didn't people like Ollie say that the auto workers needed to chip in more for their healthcare?

But now Ollie's corporation is asking him to chip in more and now he's crying? LOL

 

[California Girl]

They did a survey and Fox viewers are the most uninformed on things like

Obamacare
Did Obama lower or raise your taxes
And did Saddam have something to do with 9-11.
*****************************************
Correct but as one VERY right wing female THING once told me, she likes FOX because "it's simple". Not surprisingly, she differs with the Republican party on ONE issue: ABORTION.

They?

And that survey.... 612 people in New Jersey.

I'm seeing that you have little respect for academically verified research.

Only idiots repeat previously discredited 'surveys'.

 

[California Girl]

Here's something to put on a bumper sticker, Democrats want you to pay more for health insurance.

Unless, that is, you are as stupid as Obama.

Not true at all.

And costs went up 200% from 2000-2006. You are only complaining now because now you think you can put it on Obama. Trust me, Obamacare is going to keep costs in check.

You must be a Fox viewer. They did a survey and Fox viewers are the most uninformed on things like

Obamacare
Did Obama lower or raise your taxes
And did Saddam have something to do with 9-11.

Fox misled you on purpose. See, you are being brainwashed with lies and false propoganda.

If a national healthcare system is to keep Health care in check, then how do you explain this little "problem" regarding England's national Health Care system? Oops

Health Squeeze: UK's free health care under threat - Washington Times

The British system has been verging on collapse for quite some time. The Conservatives keep trying to get a grip of it and, naturally, their idiotic Labor Party scream like banshees about it.

 

[SFC Ollie]

They were all scheduled to increase, health care costs have been increasing every year due to the non insured. It wasn't all to do with obamscare, which most of won't take effect until 2014.

And my health care costs went up last October, wasn't that after Obamacare started?

Thanks for the confirmation Luissa.

Isn't that funny. Costs went up 200% from 2000-2006 and they didn't complain until now.

And didn't people like Ollie say that the auto workers needed to chip in more for their healthcare?

But now Ollie's corporation is asking him to chip in more and now he's crying? LOL

You should just wear a sign......

You are my corporation fool.

 

[sealybobo]

Not true at all.

And costs went up 200% from 2000-2006. You are only complaining now because now you think you can put it on Obama. Trust me, Obamacare is going to keep costs in check.

You must be a Fox viewer. They did a survey and Fox viewers are the most uninformed on things like

Obamacare
Did Obama lower or raise your taxes
And did Saddam have something to do with 9-11.

Fox misled you on purpose. See, you are being brainwashed with lies and false propoganda.

If a national healthcare system is to keep Health care in check, then how do you explain this little "problem" regarding England's national Health Care system? Oops

Health Squeeze: UK's free health care under threat - Washington Times

The British system has been verging on collapse for quite some time. The Conservatives keep trying to get a grip of it and, naturally, their idiotic Labor Party scream like banshees about it.

You know, it is funny but these arguments seem to be circular. Chances are, just like our government is broke, England's healthcare system is broken because of the global economic collapse, which I should remind you the GOP created.

And the answer? Like here in America, the rich need to start chipping in their fair share in England. I know you think they pay more than their fair share, but that is simply not true. Not only should we in America roll back the Bush tax breaks, we should also eliminate the Reagan tax breaks.

Its not just in Wisconsin or the 99%ers all over the country. Its the middle class in France and Greece and Syria and Egypt. Everywhere people are waking up to the oppression. And we aren't buying it that its because of social security, medicare, unions or fanny may.

The multinational robber barons have waged class warfare on the middle class.

And the funny thing, it must have also hurt you. Do you have a 401K or a home? Then the GOP's policies hurt you too. Will nothing wake you up?