Children are being held in cages, like animals

[Avatar4321]

Children are being held in cages, like animals
First glimpse of immigrant children at holding facility

What have we become?

That administration is over. President Trump is in charge now

And now we have abductions at the border.

We had abductions at the border during the Obama administration. Building a wall would stop that.

 

[Flopper]

Illegals are dangerous. What do you recommend?

Families should be kept together in detention and isolated from the general population. Taking young children away from their parents who have not been convicted of anything is usually considered inhumane treatment. This sounds like another Trump fuck up in which he's now trying to justify by blame democrats in congress. What a piece work this guy is.

um, it's been going on a lot longer than Trump has been President. If you arrest a burglar you put their kids into foster care or a relatives care you do not keep the kids with their criminal parent.

It's been going on since the George Bush administration but it's been aggravated by Trump's zero tolerance policy. The people that are really effected by this are just pawns in the political struggle between Trump and Democrats in Congress.

Trump is blaming the inhumane treatment of families on Democrats in Congress that won't give him what he wants. Democrats will be feeding the media with the horrors occurring in the detention camps. And you can bet there with certainly be some serious problems with immigration officers trying to take care of hundreds of kids separated from their parents.

Aaaaaaaaand you seem to have missed the memo too. The pictures are from the obummer era. You know, YOUR hero. Do try and keep up.

I wouldn't think a cage filled with illegal immigrants would look much different regardless of whose president.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

The OP still refuses to acknowledge her mistake.

 

[WTP]

Children are being held in cages, like animals
First glimpse of immigrant children at holding facility

What have we become?

That administration is over. President Trump is in charge now

And now we have abductions at the border.

We had abductions at the border during the Obama administration. Building a wall would stop that.

And we had detention before Obama, dating all the way back to Reagan's Immigration reform Act, that allowed these people in.

In other words, whether they were in cages or holding facilities, it was probably due to security and safety issues? That said, the Immigration Act itself, with a wall would have never served a purpose. So one had nothing to do with the other. It's like you are having two different conversations about two different things. The Sheep are obsessed with a wall that never would have served a purpose in the past, due to a Reagan Immigration Reform Act, that was /is still in place.

So, get this in your head. Detention has been going on through Reagan, both Bush's, Clinton, and Obama. So stop acting like this was Obama's baby. And stop acting like a wall would fix the problem. It was not a problem, until we decided it was a problem. In other words, you are using detention, which has been with us for decades, as an excuse to build a wall someone else was supposed to pay for, but isn't. How screwed up is that?

 

[westwall]

Illegals are dangerous. What do you recommend?

Families should be kept together in detention and isolated from the general population. Taking young children away from their parents who have not been convicted of anything is usually considered inhumane treatment. This sounds like another Trump fuck up in which he's now trying to justify by blame democrats in congress. What a piece work this guy is.

um, it's been going on a lot longer than Trump has been President. If you arrest a burglar you put their kids into foster care or a relatives care you do not keep the kids with their criminal parent.

It's been going on since the George Bush administration but it's been aggravated by Trump's zero tolerance policy. The people that are really effected by this are just pawns in the political struggle between Trump and Democrats in Congress.

Trump is blaming the inhumane treatment of families on Democrats in Congress that won't give him what he wants. Democrats will be feeding the media with the horrors occurring in the detention camps. And you can bet there with certainly be some serious problems with immigration officers trying to take care of hundreds of kids separated from their parents.

Aaaaaaaaand you seem to have missed the memo too. The pictures are from the obummer era. You know, YOUR hero. Do try and keep up.

I wouldn't think a cage filled with illegal immigrants would look much different regardless of whose president.

And yet you didn't give a crap when it happened under obummers watch. Funny that.

 

[eagle1462010]

Amazing how they keep posting like it's the truth after it has been proven the OP was a LIE.

 

[Faun]

The OP still refuses to acknowledge her mistake.

I use have missed it.... what is her mistake?

 

[MrShangles]

The OP still refuses to acknowledge her mistake.

I use have missed it.... what is her mistake?

The pictures were during Obamas administration, that’s what MSM didn’t tell you.


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[Deno]

Children are being held in cages, like animals
First glimpse of immigrant children at holding facility

What have we become?

I love seeing liberals make fools of themselves.

Are we having fun or what?

I am . As long as the Trump Sheep keep saying and debating nothing, it's all good.

Is that supposed to make sense….

Trump and his supporters are kicking liberal ass…

Live it up dip shit…

 

[Slyhunter]

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Children are being held in cages, like animals
First glimpse of immigrant children at holding facility

What have we become?

How was your crow dinner? It at least had a side of Obama lol

 

[Faun]

The OP still refuses to acknowledge her mistake.

I use have missed it.... what is her mistake?

The pictures were during Obamas administration, that’s what MSM didn’t tell you.


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You realize that every picture in the OP’s link was dated in 2014, right? So what is the MSM not telling you? What was the OP’s mistake?

 

[Nova78]

More liberal media fake bullshit.

 

[Andylusion]

Venezuela seizes 60 firms

Venezuela has seized the assets of 60 oil service companies, paving the way for their nationalisation under a new law passed last week. The facilities seized on Friday included gas injection facilities owned by the US energy group Williams Companies, which are considered crucial for boosting oil output from the fields that produce Venezuela's most valuable crude. Hugo Chavez, the president of Venezuela, also sent troops to Ciudad Ojeda, an oil town on the shores of Lake Maracaibo, to seize oilfield service facilities including shipyards and hundreds of boats.

"We have started to nationalise all these activities connected to oil exploitation. This is a revolutionary offensive," Mr Chavez said from a confiscated boat sailing across the lake, according to Reuters. The move signals the president's willingness to expand government control over the industry, which produces 93 per cent of Venezuela's state revenues, as a short-term solution to the country's money woes. The nationalisation law, passed on Thursday, allows Caracas to pay for seized assets with government bonds.

That's right. Thank you! And where was that oil revenue going? Take a wild guess? Too the people, where it was supposed to be going. But no, the U.S. wasn't having that. If you do a little bit of tiny research, that money kept the economy for a long time in good shape, "FOR THE PEOPLE". Was Chavez eccentric? Yes! But he took care of the people, until we intervened, because we weren't going to have Chavez overseeing a Socialist country that benefited the people.

Now, who do we blame for Venezuela's woes? Chavez! And yes, that's right. For a problem we created with the implementation of sanctions, and are still doing it; Four Effects of the Blockade Against Venezuela Why? Because they don't have the government we like.

The national oil company, Petroleos de Venezuela (PDVSA), hurt by falling crude prices, stopped paying contractors for their services late last year and has been trying to negotiate much lower rates for drilling and well services, with the aim of cutting costs by 40 per cent. At the end of last year, PDVSA owed US$13.9 billion (Dh48.07bn) to suppliers, most of which remains unpaid. A number of contractors have responded by idling their rigs.

And why did the prices fall? Take another wild guess? Sanctions crippled the country, because Venezuela didn't play ball like the Imperialist country instructed them to do. Their oil was worthless because we placed blockades on Venezuela; Four Effects of the Blockade Against Venezuela

They seized the oil rigs and equipment..............Weren't good at production............and oil production plunged............

Oil production plunged because of our blockade.

They couldn't pay their bills............and didn't pay for the equipment stolen.............

Yea, and they can thank the U.S. for paralyzing their operation, while the equipment freezes up for non use.

I mean seriously, where do we get off by telling every Central and South American country what to do?

Are you crazy?

Blockade? There is no blockade of Venezuela. They have no money, and we don't trade stuff to them, because they are broke. Why should I send products to Venezuela, when they haven't paid for anything I've already sent?

And oil product has not dropped because of a blockade. That's not even logical. If I have an oil well in my backyard (which one of my relatives does).... If China or anyone, was to "blockade the US" on anything.... how would that stop that oil well from pumping out oil?

You are starting to sound like a crazy person. Explain what you mean by that. How does a blockade even stop an oil well from producing oil?

And how is it, your lack of money, mean you are being blockaded?

If I who up at a Lexus dealership, when I have zero cash (which I don't have any money right now at all)..... and they refuse to give me a car when I'm broke.... that means Lexus is 'blockading me'? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??!

Do people like you ever read; Four Effects of the Blockade Against Venezuela

Yeah, we can read. What is written there, is lies. Just flat out, your source of information is propaganda and fabrication.

It's just left-wing crap to conceal the fact that Venezuela socialism destroyed their country.

If it was all lies, how come you haven't proven they were lies? Because you can't. You are the one lying. Where are your links rebutting mine? Answer, they don't exist. All you have is your own head exploding rage, that turns you into vegetable fodder for the picking.

Right. That's very interesting and still all false.

Here's a hint: When absolutely everyone is mocking you, and even those who are generally left-wing are not defending you, it's because you are full of crap.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

That's right. Thank you! And where was that oil revenue going? Take a wild guess? Too the people, where it was supposed to be going. But no, the U.S. wasn't having that. If you do a little bit of tiny research, that money kept the economy for a long time in good shape, "FOR THE PEOPLE". Was Chavez eccentric? Yes! But he took care of the people, until we intervened, because we weren't going to have Chavez overseeing a Socialist country that benefited the people.

Now, who do we blame for Venezuela's woes? Chavez! And yes, that's right. For a problem we created with the implementation of sanctions, and are still doing it; Four Effects of the Blockade Against Venezuela Why? Because they don't have the government we like.

And why did the prices fall? Take another wild guess? Sanctions crippled the country, because Venezuela didn't play ball like the Imperialist country instructed them to do. Their oil was worthless because we placed blockades on Venezuela; Four Effects of the Blockade Against Venezuela



Oil production plunged because of our blockade.

Yea, and they can thank the U.S. for paralyzing their operation, while the equipment freezes up for non use.

I mean seriously, where do we get off by telling every Central and South American country what to do?

Are you crazy?

Blockade? There is no blockade of Venezuela. They have no money, and we don't trade stuff to them, because they are broke. Why should I send products to Venezuela, when they haven't paid for anything I've already sent?

And oil product has not dropped because of a blockade. That's not even logical. If I have an oil well in my backyard (which one of my relatives does).... If China or anyone, was to "blockade the US" on anything.... how would that stop that oil well from pumping out oil?

You are starting to sound like a crazy person. Explain what you mean by that. How does a blockade even stop an oil well from producing oil?

And how is it, your lack of money, mean you are being blockaded?

If I who up at a Lexus dealership, when I have zero cash (which I don't have any money right now at all)..... and they refuse to give me a car when I'm broke.... that means Lexus is 'blockading me'? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??!

Do people like you ever read; Four Effects of the Blockade Against Venezuela

Yeah, we can read. What is written there, is lies. Just flat out, your source of information is propaganda and fabrication.

It's just left-wing crap to conceal the fact that Venezuela socialism destroyed their country.

If it was all lies, how come you haven't proven they were lies? Because you can't. You are the one lying. Where are your links rebutting mine? Answer, they don't exist. All you have is your own head exploding rage, that turns you into vegetable fodder for the picking.

Right. That's very interesting and still all false.

Here's a hint: When absolutely everyone is mocking you, and even those who are generally left-wing are not defending you, it's because you are full of crap.

ESPECIALLY when the left doesn't defend you. They circle the drain....er, wagon like no other.

 

[WTP]

Are you crazy?

Blockade? There is no blockade of Venezuela. They have no money, and we don't trade stuff to them, because they are broke. Why should I send products to Venezuela, when they haven't paid for anything I've already sent?

And oil product has not dropped because of a blockade. That's not even logical. If I have an oil well in my backyard (which one of my relatives does).... If China or anyone, was to "blockade the US" on anything.... how would that stop that oil well from pumping out oil?

You are starting to sound like a crazy person. Explain what you mean by that. How does a blockade even stop an oil well from producing oil?

And how is it, your lack of money, mean you are being blockaded?

If I who up at a Lexus dealership, when I have zero cash (which I don't have any money right now at all)..... and they refuse to give me a car when I'm broke.... that means Lexus is 'blockading me'? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??!

Do people like you ever read; Four Effects of the Blockade Against Venezuela

Yeah, we can read. What is written there, is lies. Just flat out, your source of information is propaganda and fabrication.

It's just left-wing crap to conceal the fact that Venezuela socialism destroyed their country.

If it was all lies, how come you haven't proven they were lies? Because you can't. You are the one lying. Where are your links rebutting mine? Answer, they don't exist. All you have is your own head exploding rage, that turns you into vegetable fodder for the picking.

Right. That's very interesting and still all false.

Here's a hint: When absolutely everyone is mocking you, and even those who are generally left-wing are not defending you, it's because you are full of crap.

ESPECIALLY when the left doesn't defend you. They circle the drain....er, wagon like no other.

I'm not asking anyone to defend me, right or left. It's not necessary. I'm asking if there is anyone out there who can challenge the facts? So far, no one has come forward. And I know you certainly won't.

So there you have it. Trump sheep with their hair on fire, who can't logically or intelligently explain or defend away, the geo- political nightmare that has consumed Central and South America at the hands of the U.S. government.

As always, the Right blames the symptom, not the cause.

 

[Slyhunter]

It's a good argument. I'm not good enough to take either side. But if they are failing because of the sanctions then it's not proof that Socialism did them in. Did we Sanction them because their Socialist, or because of Human right abuses?

 

[Andylusion]

Do people like you ever read; Four Effects of the Blockade Against Venezuela

Yeah, we can read. What is written there, is lies. Just flat out, your source of information is propaganda and fabrication.

It's just left-wing crap to conceal the fact that Venezuela socialism destroyed their country.

If it was all lies, how come you haven't proven they were lies? Because you can't. You are the one lying. Where are your links rebutting mine? Answer, they don't exist. All you have is your own head exploding rage, that turns you into vegetable fodder for the picking.

Right. That's very interesting and still all false.

Here's a hint: When absolutely everyone is mocking you, and even those who are generally left-wing are not defending you, it's because you are full of crap.

ESPECIALLY when the left doesn't defend you. They circle the drain....er, wagon like no other.

I'm not asking anyone to defend me, right or left. It's not necessary. I'm asking if there is anyone out there who can challenge the facts? So far, no one has come forward. And I know you certainly won't.

So there you have it. Trump sheep with their hair on fire, who can't logically or intelligently explain or defend away, the geo- political nightmare that has consumed Central and South America at the hands of the U.S. government.

As always, the Right blames the symptom, not the cause.

You have to provide facts, before there is any need to challenge them. You have provided propaganda and lies. You being so ignorant that such propaganda has deceived you, does not reflect on the rest of us ignoring those lies.

You being fooled.... does not mean we are fooled, or that we are somehow obligated to challenge your foolishness.

There are dozens of people on this forum that believe in socialism. If your argument had even the smallest shred of legitimacy, they would be here supporting your argument.

They are not, because even the rest of the left-wing morons, are not fooled by the stupidity that has taken over your mind.

 

[WTP]

It's a good argument. I'm not good enough to take either side. But if they are failing because of the sanctions then it's not proof that Socialism did them in.

Exactly! But, to your point, the country and its people before the sanctions on Venezuela were put in place, the people were in pretty good shape.

Did we Sanction them because their Socialist, or because of Human right abuses?

The beginning of the end to Venezuela's prosperity, started when Venezuela started reasserting their sovereignty over their own oil. That's when the U.S. starting giving Venezuela the cold shoulder in a variety of ways. This move proved good for Venezuela, but not the U.S.;United States–Venezuela relations - Wikipedia.

You have to read deep into the weeds and the history to get a full understanding of went on.

At the end of the day, we, the U.S., for decades, exercised a pattern of control/takeover, that resulted in these countries changing their political policies. The exception was Venezuela. They resisted the influence, but most did not. The result of that resistance by Venezuela has resulted in sanctions and oil blockades by us. CIA in South America | Geopolitical Monitor

 

[Andylusion]

It's a good argument. I'm not good enough to take either side. But if they are failing because of the sanctions then it's not proof that Socialism did them in. Did we Sanction them because their Socialist, or because of Human right abuses?

The sanctions are not against companies operating in Venezuela. We don't need to sanction that, because they are all closed and leaving.

I looked up the US sanctions, the EU sanctions, and the Canadian sanctions.

All of the sanctions from all countries, are all targeted Sanctions against specific individuals, most are government officials.

This is why they are freaking out, and pushing this propaganda. It has nothing to do with any economic sanction against Venezuelans, because there are none. But the government, pushing stooges like this guy, are mad because it's preventing they themselves from getting rich while Venezuela burns.

One of the things the EU is trying to prevent, is the Maduro family from selling government bonds abroad, and taking the money for themselves.

The bottom line is Venezuela ran out of money, and that's why they can't import anything. There is no 'blockade" of a country that can't produce or buy anything.

And the sanctions certainly didn't cause a food shortage that started over a decade ago. The whole thing is ridiculous, and lucky for Maduro, there easily deceived simpletons that 'want' to believe the US is the source of all evil, that will buy his propaganda.